EP 56: Applying in Arizona and Wyoming

They give a non-resident quota, and up to half of our quota can go to people with the most points, and then the other half's available in the random drop. Trophy quality can be off the chart. Like last year, I had a great antler growth year for elk. Anything to do with Western big game.

Welcome to the Epic Outdoors Podcast, powered by Under Armour. Hey everybody, Jason Carter and Adam Bronson here with the Epic Outdoors Podcast. Coming at you again, I don't know, what number are we at, Chris? 55, let's call it 58. How about that sounds a little better. So anyway, we've been working hard on some of these magazines. We've actually been cranking on the February issue. So anyway, we're a little rummy today, but we do want to talk to you about a few things. Before we get started, we want to thank Under Armour for all the support they've given us here at Epic Outdoors. We've done a lot of different projects with them, worked with them for years and years with the Ridge Reaper TV show, you know, and other things that we've got going. They sponsor our podcast. They sponsor our YouTube. They do run ads in the magazine and as well as some other projects we've got going.

So super appreciative of them, the staff they got going, the support they give the hunting industry. So before we get started, we do want to let everybody know that we're going to the Hunt Expo. We just finished going out to the Wild Sheep Foundation Convention. It was awesome. Got to meet a lot of our members and subscribers and hardcore hunters and hardcore outfitters. And it was just awesome to catch up with everybody. We are going to SHOT Show in the morning. Crank that out. And then be there for a couple of days. Have some meetings with some of the different advertisers and guys within the industry and probably see a few of you there. So anyway, and with that, we also are going to be at the Hunt Expo. So that's right. February 8th through the 11th, Western Hunting Conservation Expo. And in conjunction to that, with that, the Full Curl Society meets on, I believe it's

Saturday, the 10th. Yes, Saturday. They'll be giving away 10 fully paid for sheep hunts. Three stone sheep, five doll sheep, a desert sheep, a Rocky Mountain Bighorn. They have a few stipulations for them. Some you have to be present to win. Some you don't. Some you kind of never killed a doll sheep or a stone sheep. Some you can. So go online at fullcurl.org. So you can buy your tickets there. We'll be there at the event. It's, again, during the Western Hunting Conservation Expo, February 10th. They draw the hunts right there in front of everybody. It's really awesome to see 10 people yell and scream. They're normally in attendance there. Like I said, there's a couple of them. You don't have to be present to win. So if you can't, you can still go online and buy tickets there. Make sure you apply for the ones that you're eligible for. But we'll be there. Great event. Fun time.

See people, you know. Oh, yeah. Hardcore guys are in there. We go in there. It's a pretty good-sized room. It's within the expo. And the key thing that Adam's talking about is you don't have to do it. There's no stipulation as far as funding any of those hunts. Those are fully paid for. You're not having to come up with $5,000 or $75,000 or any of those other figures that you do at times when you win some of these sheep hunts. So, anyway, a great opportunity. A lot of fun. People are hollering and hooting and going crazy, especially the guys that win. So, anyway, definitely get on to the... Let's plan on going to that Full Curl Society. It's an awesome, awesome event for everybody there. And you're going to be going to the expo anyway because I don't know anybody that doesn't go to the expo. All right. So, today, let's get started.

We want to kind of go through the January issue of the Epic Outdoors. Here at Epic Outdoors, we do do a monthly publication, January through June. And then it's bi-monthly in the fall because there's pretty much nothing to talk about. But, anyway, it is research-based. We go through all the western states and give you drawing odds, kill percentage, best units, and kind of outline the application procedures within the states. And so, just so you all know, Adam and I author these. And we also consult with all of our different subscribers and different things that they want to talk about in regards to their strategies, long-term, short-term, mid-term strategies, and all the different species that they're looking to apply for. So, anyway, we kind of wanted to go through this January issue. You know, this did go to the printer December 29th. A few people got it a little bit late.

Of course, I just wonder with the government if they just take a little extra holiday here and there. But who knows? So, anyway, we do have an e-mag out there, and we publish it right away. I think ours was up, Adam, like December 20th or 21st. It was before Christmas. So, we realize I'm one of the guys that likes to get it in my hands as well. But when you're chomping at the bit, ready to start breaking stuff down, you'll get that two weeks or so early, maybe a little bit longer. Because, again, the day we send it to the printer, we put it online. It's free with your paid subscription. It's not an add-on. E-mag's available. The day we go to the printer, you can start breaking stuff down, get you a big jump on it. So, I highly recommend you do that until your magazine comes in the mail. It's got to go to the printer, get printed, get shipped, come your way.

With holidays and all that, like I said, January Magazine had some of those types of things. But, overall, yeah, let's jump into it. Arizona, 2018. The January issue, we cover the elk and antelope due February 13th. The deer, bison, sheep, or all that, we'll cover that later. Yeah, we'll cover that with the application deadline the second Tuesday in June. So, we cover that in a separate issue. This one's a little bit early. They break it up. And so, anyway, it's kind of exciting. You know, as we get started here in Arizona, Adam and I are big fans of hunting elk in Arizona, especially elk. Adam's hunted antelope in Arizona as well. And I did, too, when I was younger. I hunted 19A and killed a buck much smaller than Adam's. It was over 80 inches. Adam killed a freaking giant. So, anyway. It's a state that, you know, trophy quality can be off the charts, particularly like last year.

They had a great antler growth year for elk. It was a great year. You know, the cover bull, Eric Hunt from Arizona killed a 400-inch giant. My dream bull. Awesome bull. Has cool character, split eye guard, some extras. But, anyway, appreciate Eric putting his story together for us and putting him on the cover. But, yeah, most people, when they think of Arizona, probably other desert sheep and elk are probably, well, strip deer. I mean, I guess it's all awesome. It's all awesome. Trophy quality. There's nothing that's not awesome in Arizona. Yeah. Right? It's a great state. Tough to draw tags, depending on what you're looking for. They do have a lot of units within the state of Arizona. And, obviously, when you think of Arizona, you think of big antelope and big elk and giant mule deer. The mule deer, however, are, you know, giant in a small portion of the state.

There are some big bucks, and people are going to be glad that I'm not divulging everything down there in the center of the state because there's a lot of guys killing a couple of 200-inchers down there in the center and western portions here and there, even eastern portions, I guess. But, for the most part, as far as you're, you know, building points and wanting to kill one of those premium deer, you know, that's going to be north of Grand Canyon. So, 13B, 13A12s. But, we're not here to talk about deer, even though we want to. The elk are pretty amazing. They're in a drought, kind of a little bit of a drought right now. We did get a little bit of moisture here recently. So, we're going to be watching the next couple months and really pay attention. So, guys that are applying in Arizona, if you set up that portal account prior to applying, you'll be able to point guard.

So, for five additional bucks, you can apply, and then you throw in five bucks, click the little spot there for point guard, and then you can turn that tag back or have the option to turn that tag back if it is a brutal drought year. Yeah. So, very important to go do that now. It's a newer program. They are going to release drought results there only, they're telling us this year. So, going to have to do it anyway. Get your portal set up so that when you go and apply for elk, it will pull up as an option, $5, do you want to add this? And in a dry year that we're looking like we may have, you never know, it could switch on a dime and be wet all spring. But it's just something, especially if you're preserving a lot of points. If you've got minimal to no points and you pulled an awesome pack, Take a tag when you can get it. You take it.

But if you're packing mid-teens, high-teens, 20s points, and it's your year to cash it in, and it's a bust, you're going to want that one-time turn back, which Arizona offers. One time. Yeah, one time per species. So, you can't turn it back this year. Get it next year. Turn it back next year. That's not going to happen. You get one option for that. So, anyway, it is pretty exciting. We love talking about elk. And, of course, we all want that giant, and they make plenty of them down there in Arizona. We did cover the units. We give a lot of different options. We jump in from, you know, there's early rifle rut hunts, early muzzleloader rut hunts. There's late season rifle hunts, which are a lot easier to draw. It doesn't give you those good rut season dates, but allows guys to go out and hunt and do it on a more regular occurrence.

I mean, a lot of these units are taking, you know, 7, 8, 9, 10 points versus 20-plus points in some of these. They did change it, though, Adam, and this is kind of how you drew your antelope tag. They did change it where they give a non-resident quota, and up to half of our quota can go to people with the most points, and then the other half is available in the random draw. And if there's only one tag, it goes in the random draw. So it can go to anybody. It actually, yeah, hurt the people that had a lot of elk points or antelope points built up that were non-residents because now instead of being able to draw the full non-resident quota and the max point draw, only, you know, let's say a unit of 300 tags, all 30 of them in most archery, primo archery units were going in the max point draw. Yes. No non-resident random draw being done. Now it would be 15 of 15.

So it's probably a fair way to do it. It just changes hard after they've done it a certain way for so long. It's much more like Utah, I guess. Now, even though it's not spelled out the same, you know, they do it like Utah. They do. They give 20% of the total number of tags go to the max point holders. Within that, it could be residents or non-residents. We get 10% as non-residents. And then of that 10%, up to half can go to max point holders. So anyway, here's the bottom line. Y'all can draw any unit in the state. And that's what's kind of fun about it. And like you alluded, the dream for everybody is those early season rifle, muzzleloader, and or archery hunts. And that's what we all think of. You know, you've been down there twice. Once on an early rifle, once on an early archery five or six years ago. Yeah, 2013. And, you know, I burned my points last year on an archery hunt.

You know, probably like you now. I just, I'm looking for, I want a big bull if I go back, but I totally am looking at it different. I burned my heavy points. Yeah. And there's a lot of options. If you're willing to go late archeries or the late rifles like you talked about, you can go back more often. You're going to hunt with a lot more people afield. And it's not, it doesn't feel the same as September screaming bulls. No. But you have to almost be realistic to just apply for early rifle and muzzleloader hunts your whole life. If you're in the middle of the pack, is a very daunting, almost. Well, we just don't recommend it, quite frankly. We get guys that do want those early rifle, early muzzleloader hunts. It's obvious why. You want to freaking kill a giant. You want to do it in the rut. And you want to do it with no people. I understand that. But it's one of those things.

You got to learn how to shoot a bow. Or take one of these later season hunts. They even give these late season archery elk hunts, which when they first came up with them, I mean, we're talking mid-November with a bow, kind of laughed at it. But at the same time, I went down there and coos deer hunted. And you can actually glass up some of these bulls. We're seeing 350-inch bulls looking for coos deer or cows deer. I mean, just not offend everybody. It's coos or cows, depending on who you talk to. But anyway, we're out there glassing. And you're seeing 350-inch bulls. And in the late season like that, they bed. You can stalk them. They're not moving. They're not rutting. They're not chasing cows. And so they're killable. You realize you can kill them. And so there is a possibility. Maybe you pick a unit 23 or 27 or something like that and go try that.

I know Chris hunted the muzzleloader season in November. Kicked his butt, quite frankly. But it gave him an opportunity to hunt big bulls. And it was the year. Super dry, super hot. Do you even have a mic? All right, so he's speechless. I can say anything I want, and he can't even talk back. But anyway, he did hunt that and learned a lot in Unit 10 and came home eating his tag. But, you know, I've ate my tag a lot, too, and so I don't feel too bad for him. Ha ha. All right. So anyway, as we get cranking here, I mean, we can go through all the units and talk about that all on the podcast. But it is listed out in our magazine. And that's what it's there for, obviously. Yeah. You know, get it timely. Break down at 2018. Drawing odds. Kill percentages. Resident drawing odds. Non-resident drawing odds. Both for max point and random. And also some comments about it. Similar thing for antelope.

Antelope in Arizona are about like drawn desert sheep tags. They are tough. They don't have a lot of tags collectively, but they have some giants. It's Arizona is known for one of the best, if not the best, when it's an on year. When it's an on year. Sometimes it means dry. Last year was a tougher year. It was, yeah. 2017. Last year was tougher than 2016. It feels like 2016. It was off the charts. It was off the charts. And then you happened to draw a tag. Yeah, it was good. You know, you've been pretty lucky. It was good. No question. So anyway, everybody should be applying in Arizona. No question. You don't have to front the tag fees. Of course, you're going to buy a non-refundable hunting license, minimal per species application fee. You can gain a point. It's the same price to get a point versus applying the draw.

Adam and I, especially if you don't have a lot of points, we tell people, you know, point guard it if you think your schedule's full. But apply. Like, apply in the draw. If you can't force a draw, you should be in the random draw as many years as you can. Because, quite frankly, the odds are so dang tough that if you're just waiting to build a few points and then jump in there, you're probably not going to draw. The one thing about these bonus points are the more points you have, the better your random chance is, too. So you get another chance at drawing a low random number in the random draw. So just a little something-something there. We also covered Wyoming. That's right. The sheep, moose, goat, elk, and bison in Wyoming. And the elk application deadline, if you're actually applying for a hunt, is January 31st.

If you're going to do points only for elk or any species, you have to wait until July through October. But if you're going to apply for elk, it's the first deadline of all the western states of the year, January 31st. They turn it around quick. You know by February 22nd, if you're drawn or not. But with regard to sheep, moose, goat, and bison, it's due February 28th. Online, they do charge your fees up front in Wyoming. It's one of those that you've got to prepare for. You've got to man up. You've got to man up. They're going to take your cash. One thing I do want to bring up, though, Adam, a lot of our guys. So we have a license application service, and we don't front the fees. We do charge $500 max. That's the most you can spend with us here at Epic. But we don't front your fees. We actually apply you as if you're applying yourself. You'll get your own tags.

You're going to get your own refunds. But when it comes to Wyoming, it is fairly pricey. If you're going to apply for a lot of these species, it's going to ding your card a pretty good chunk. You know, we tell guys, apply for that 0% credit card. Use it on a state like Wyoming. You know, it's not going to charge you a thing. Let the credit card float your fees. Just make sure you pay it off when you get your refunds. You know what I'm saying? With some of these, and they did have some pretty noticeable permit fee increases this year. Most notable with the bison. It went up from about $2,500 for the bulls to $4,400. And if you apply for bison, goat, sheep, moose, you're going to need $10,000 on a card just to do those four species. And it will crush it right up front. It's going to crush it.

And they'll keep, for the goat and bison where they don't have points, it's a minimal application fee. Minimal. But they will keep, you know, $150, $65 for the sheep and moose for your point fee. So it's not cheap. And it's, you know, caused a lot of people, I think, to question where they're going to keep going, depending on where they're at in the draw. And if you don't have points buildup, you know, you can't choose whether you pay that $150 fee or not. It comes out of your refund. And so it makes people really do a self-check, analyze the draws, which, quite frankly, if you don't have a lot of points to draw, you should look and make sure there's a random tag given so you actually have a chance in the draw. If there's no random tag given, you're not going to draw a tag. You're basically applying for points only but front in the fee. So, anyway.

Similarly, if you're mid to very low points, unless you know you could not go on a hunt, we recommend you apply for the sheep and the goat or sheep and the moose because. What are you getting a point for? Yeah, you're getting a point that you're never going to be in the max point pool. Yeah. And you just spent $150 a point this summer. And what's that point going to get you? And you didn't have a chance to draw. What's it ever going to get you? So, nothing. There's nothing. You've got four, five, six, eight, ten points. If you're not applying the draw, don't waste the money on the point fee. That's right. Unless you know one year that I could not do that hunt for whatever reason. But even then, it's hard. Just sit it out a year. You don't lose your points until you miss two consecutive years. So, not the end of the world.

If you know, once again, emphasize, if you know you're never going to be in the max point, you're never going to catch up to it. Well, by the way, I drew a bison tag there here in Utah on the Henrys when I was 15 years old. So, I beat the odds, and you can beat the odds, too. But they did increase the fee, good and bad. There's going to be less people apply for that. There more than likely will be. You know. And they opened up Unit 3, which is new. We talked about it in our magazine. Yep. A couple of old giants, maybe 10 old giants. Yeah, 15, 18. That are accessible. So, anyway, keep that in mind. We covered it in the magazine. It is expensive. So, you get to decide how much, you know, you're willing to front to be able to be in the bison draw. So, as far as that, we covered the sheep.

Do we want to talk anything more about the sheep, Adam, as far as wilderness, hiring a guide, self-guided option, Unit 5, anything like that you want to bring up? Yeah, all of that. You know, keep in mind, they're 23 years into a point system for their sheep. And so, it's very established. And they set 75% of their tags aside for the people with the most points and 25% randomly. So, of the. So, if there's three tags, there's no random draw. There's no. Yeah, there's only five units in the state of Wyoming that give enough tags to give one or two in the random draw. And that's units 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5. If you don't have, you know, let's say 16, 17 plus points and are trying to draw a maximum point tag, you need to stick to units 1 through 5 to have at least a chance to draw. Because you're not going to be in the maximum point draw if you have, say, 17 or less, you know, 16 or less points.

Yeah. Similar to moose. Well, I think before we leave sheep, I just want to reiterate, when we talk about not being able to do it without a guide, you can't do it without a guide. Legally. Legally. So, don't, don't, don't. Some guys, I know there's a lot of guys that follow the podcast that are tough dudes. They freaking do the middle of Frank Church Wilderness on their own or whatever. I know you can physically do it. You just can't do it. Legally. The wilderness, you can't set foot in there without a resident guide that gets a permit that is usually a family member, friend, or a Wyoming licensed outfitter that can take you in there. It's just one of the, it's the only state that requires non-residents to hire somebody or have a resident guide you in wilderness. I could go fish for rainbows in the middle of the wilderness. You can hunt blue grouse.

But I, but I can't carry a gun and go hunt something. Yeah. How about that? It's a really tough law for a lot of people to swallow. Oh, yeah. Jeez. But, but hey, maybe, maybe Trump will pull us out of that. I don't know. And it's good for the outfit. It is good for the outfitters. And by the way, we do work with some amazing outfitters out there. Kudos to them. We did visit with a bunch of them out here at the Wild Sheep Show. Good guys, hardworking suckers. And so, you know, a lot of young, aggressive guys that we're working with. And so, anyway, a little shout out to them. But call us if you want to visit about any, if you have the points to draw on any of these, any species, call us. We'll get you lined up. And one thing I do while I'm on this little bit of a rant, I do want to say, if you know you can draw a tag, don't wait until you draw it to call us and get an outfitter.

They're going to be booked. Especially if you know you've got, say, 17, 18 plus points for sheep or moose or elk. 12 for elk. Maximum is 12. Or you know the unit you're targeting, you can probably draw. At least call, talk with them, get a recommendation. So at least they have you penciled down. And so it's a quick phone call to them. So you check your draw results. Boom, I drew. I'm sending a deposit. Versus start from scratch. And you're playing, you know, for a week or two, phone tag or whatever. And let's face it, a lot of times clients are in the driver's seat because outfitters need clients to make money. That's not the way it is here. There's more clients than they can take. Yeah. Because there's only so many outfitters in each of these units. And so keep that in mind as we roll forward. Let's see. Did we talk enough about the moose? No. Yeah, they're down right now.

You're going to see very few units in Wyoming with a random tag, which, once again, if you don't have 16, 17 points built up, 15 maybe in some or 14, it's a tough road because there's not very many units where they give random tags. And moose numbers have been cut heavily over the last 10 years. Apply accordingly to what your points are. But, you know, for the time being, things aren't going to be on that swing soon. Yeah. 5, 25, 38. Some of those come to mind. We did cover them in the magazine. And you'll be able to learn more about them in there. The one thing I guess we'll move to GOAT. I mean, there's no point system on the GOAT. You're in the random draw every year. You're all on the same playing field every single year. And so it's kind of fun.

And it's actually, when you look at the odds, some of the better odds of any of the western states when you're looking to apply for a GOAT tag. One in 55. I mean, that's not bad. I mean, you and I have applied for them. Yeah. And so, anyway, and I killed a GOAT here in Utah. And, of course, you've killed a GOAT. Montana. Up in Montana. So, anyway, but, yeah, they sucker us into applying for those as well. Again, with GOATs, no point system. There's no $150 fee. They can't extort $150 out of you. So that's kind of nice. Let's crank on to elk. Yeah, elk, wow, what a lot of options you have. From the Prairie Mountains, you know, out on the eastern side of the state, easy access, some private land issues, too. The backcountry, wilderness, true horseback. You just can't, and everything in between. Wyoming's got kind of something for everything. That's probably the biggest thing to exercise.

What I think's been one of the most interesting things to watch is when the wolves came in and there was no management of the wolves, people were scared. And, quite frankly, we saw no elk in some of these boundary, park boundary units and stuff. And so, and a lot of these outfitters were thinking, well, I could sell my outfitting area, but nobody wanted to buy it. Everybody was scared, figured the wolves would wipe them out. There'd be not an elk left. Now, fast forward to 2018, we're looking at some of these boundary units in these wilderness country. We're looking at some of the best bulls in the state being taken. Yeah, they've come back to some extent. They really have. And a lot of that is due to being able to hunt wolves, put just a little bit of pressure on them, keep them at bay a little bit. And it's definitely seemed to help.

Now, I don't know if that has everything to do with it, but it does feel like it seemed to help. Yeah, it does. Some of those units, like the 59s and 56s and 54s, you're going to need maximum points as a non-resident to even have a chance to draw. And a chance meeting 10%. Yeah. Because of low tag numbers, they don't have enough to go in the random draw. So bear that in mind. You may have heard a lot about those units, 56 and 59 especially. If you don't have max points as a non-resident, you can't even, you have zero chance. They don't apply. That's right. No random tags. So make sure you check that out in our column. We make it pretty simple. You can check it in the column. But there's a lot of other options throughout the state. Whether you're in the Bighorns or on the areas down a little bit lower to Cody, you know, they have enough tags that, you know, the 62s and 3s.

And, you know, a lot of these units are killing some great bulls on them. You just named a couple of the best units in the state. And I do think we ought to talk a little bit about the archery versus the rifle. And some of these type 1s, a good portion of the type 1s, you can also hunt the archery. Generally, it just depends on the unit. But it could be September 1st to the 30th or the 15th to the 30th. If you don't kill on the archery, you can go back in the rifle. And some of these units, the rifle opens October 1st. Some of them open October 15th. And so you're cranking, oh, and obviously summer and November, but you're cranking going from the 30th of September to October 1st, picking up a rifle in some cases. In a large portion of, you know, of units such as the Bighorns, you've got type 9s, which are archery only, and type 1s, which are rifle only.

And so they do segregate those out, and the archers aren't competing with the rifle hunters, et cetera. Yep, very good point. But Wyoming has, our tables are giant. And they're giant for a reason, because the opportunities that exist there for elk are incredible, both for rifle and archery hunters. So study them. If you have questions, give us a call. It's an elk state that we wouldn't probably rank on par with Arizona or top end Utah or Nevada. But for 320 to 50 bulls, it's off the charts. And you can draw a lot easier than those other states I just mentioned. Well, and I like, you know, of course, you and I's offices are next to each other, and we're consulting nonstop every day. But we are consulting telling people to use your points. Don't be saving them up. What are you waiting for, okay? It's not one of those, you know, early season Unit 10 in Arizona or something like that.

The weather dictates some of that. This year there was an early snowstorm at the end of September, first part of October. Pushed the bulls out of the park. Like, man, those first part of October, guys, just had an amazing hunt, and then it warmed up. And you just can't dictate the weather. And I guess our point with some of this is hunt often. Some of these units you can draw with 5, 6, 7 points, 8 points. And so don't wait for 15 or to catch what we're talking about, 10% with max. Some of these units are 10% draw with 11 points that we showed last year, which was 12 going into this year's draw. I guess we should mention that. Max is 12 today. For elk. And I'm glad you said that. If you check your points online or call the state, if they say you have 12 today, you have max. And you're going in with 12, you'll come out of the draw with 13.

And so, anyway, just a little clarification because we have a lot of guys thinking they add one, thinking they're going into the draw with that many points. And it's a big deal when you look at the drawing odds and you're trying to decide exactly when you're going to get drawn. And so, anyway, Wyoming's one of our favorite states. I've hunted Unit 7. Adam's hunted Unit 7 as well.

You know, mine was clear back in the day. Shooting with a crossbow. By the way, you can use crossbows. All archers can use crossbows. And so kind of a fun little thing. It's not, quite frankly, I guess we should just talk about crossbows. They're a little bit quick. They don't have the inertia in it. They have that short little bolt. And so it doesn't carry as far. And you would think, man, they're dead with a crossbow. They're not necessarily dead with a crossbow. We used to eliminate that movement of the draw. I'd rather my bow. Yeah, any day. Anyway, anything else we want to add before we move out? I think that's it. Like I said, it's all in the magazine. One more thing regarding Wyoming is they have a program called the Wyoming Super Tag Program that they initiated a few years ago. They have 10 species. They draw one tag per every species, every big game species that we just covered.

Sheep, moose, goat, deer, elk, antelope, bear, wolf, bison. I might have missed one. But anyway, one for every big game species. And one, which is called a trifecta, where if you win that one, you get to pick which three tags you want. Statewide tags that you have to hunt during open seasons. Awesome opportunities. It's just a strict lottery. Could you imagine if a guy picked, like, antelope, deer, and elk? No sheep. No, I can't. No goat. I can't. But we do know a guy that's drawn the trifecta. Yeah, he did. We had him in last year's magazine. And he hunted a sheep. Believe it or not, he drew a regular sheep tag in the regular draw. And hunted the trifecta. So then he drew the trifecta, picked a sheep, an elk, and a moose. That's the three he picked. And so he killed two sheep in one year in the state. I've never. I don't know anybody else that's done that. I maybe have a governor's tag.

You can maybe buy two governor tags. But draw two tags, and it'll never happen again. I'm on record. Pretty awesome. Pretty awesome. But anyway, you can buy those tickets. Those tickets are $10 apiece. And they are at the Wyoming Game Fish. Super Tag Individuals. That's right, individuals. And $30 per ticket for the trifecta, which gives you, again, the opportunity to buy all three. For those of you that are looking to purchase the super tags there in Wyoming, go to wgfd.wyo.gov backslash epicoutdoors. That's right. We've got an Epic Outdoors link on the Game and Fish website. So anyway, wgfd.wyo.gov backslash epicoutdoors. Wyoming Game and Fish have been a supporter of us. We've had several of their super tag winners in our magazine, including the super tag elk winner, Sean Keaton from last year. He's in this magazine. You can read about his bull and his hunt.

So somebody's going to win them. We have them every year in the magazine. It's another way to just dream big, I guess, and go support that. Getting some of your tax money back, a guy might throw in for some of these super tags there in Wyoming or alimony or anything else. Any other money you've got laying around, throw it at that super tag opportunity. And that's the one thing I think we believe in is have your name in everywhere you can afford to be in. And obviously, some guys hit Adam and I up and they're like, what if I draw too many tags? And we're like, all right. You can turn back tags in Utah. You can turn back tags in Nevada. You can turn back tags in Arizona if you do the point guard. And so anyway, there's things you can do. You can turn back a tag in Colorado. You're not going to get all your points as if you didn't draw.

You'll have the number of points that you went into the draw with, but you're going to give up the tag fee. There are things you can do. You're not going to draw too many tags. Apply everywhere. It's 1%. 1 to 100, the ratio of people that call us and say, I've drawn too many things. I can't do them all justice. It's so rare this day and age. Now, there's exceptions. You may know because of your point situation in some of the states like Utah, Arizona, Wyoming, Colorado, where you can predictably know what the max points tags are going to go to, that yeah, you don't want to get too crazy and draw three archery elk points that you know you're probably going to draw. You've got to pick them one at a time. But if you're in the random draw, apply. And I highly encourage people to have your name in the hat to have luck hopefully happen.

So, you know, as we kind of finish up this podcast, a little bit shorter by design. But I just want everybody to know out there, not like we have notes, we just crank through it. This is something Adam and I live for. It's something we're researching for ourselves as well as all the members. This is all we do for a living. And very, very aggressive at it. And so, anyway, could have messed something up. Who knows? We don't have a chalkboard telling us what to say. So bear with us. But overall, I'm pretty sure it's 100% perfect. Mainly just to give you an idea of what's in the magazine, particularly maybe for some of you listeners that don't subscribe. We go into incredible detail in here. You know, we just only scratch the surface on what these states have to offer. That comes at you every issue from now until June. We'll cover two to three states.

Break them down a month or so before the application periods are due. We invite you to check it out on epicoutdoors.com. There is a sample magazine on there. If you want to look at it. But all things western big game. That's all we do is western big game. Whether it's the draws, landowner tags, guided hunts. Any way we know how to get you guys on that. That's what we talk about. And in this magazine, we also have a little plug in there. We do have Jeffrey that works here in the office. He's my brother-in-law. He works full-time with our outfitters. So if you're looking for an outfitted hunt that has guaranteed tags, you don't want to mess with the draw or you're gaining points and you've got a point-only strategy for now and you're still looking to go hunting, give us a call. We'll have something for you.

We've even got guys in Texas doing crazy predator hunts at night with probably even night vision or who knows, spotlights. If anything's legal in Texas. But anyway, I do want to talk about real quick the February issue. Adam and I have been cranking. Of course, that's why we're a little rummy at the moment. We have been cranking 2 in the morning until 7 or 8 until the phones start ringing. Then we console all day long. But we did crank out the Nevada Guide draw a little bit in Montana. Montana alert for deer and elk. As well as the entire state of New Mexico, the entire state of Oregon, the entire state of Utah. All species units, just like we talked about today with Arizona and Wyoming. Stay tuned for that. Obviously, it's got to go to print, but you'll have that here shortly after the 1st of February. But by then, we'll be at the Western Hunting Conservation Expo.

Maybe see a bunch of you there. Yeah. So anyway, appreciate everybody that's listening out there. We get a lot of feedback. All positive, of course. Nobody calls up and says, hey, I hate listening to your podcast because they can obviously turn it off. So anyway, appreciate everybody that's doing that. And all the suggestions for some of the different guests we've got coming on and maybe potential guests in the future. We want to, you know, remain awesome and elite and have the best on the podcast. And we feel like we've had a lot of awesome people on there. And they've taught Adam and I a lot of things, too. So anyway, you can email us, Jason at EpicOutdoors.com. Give us a little feedback if you have any questions, license app stuff, whatever, as well as Adam at EpicOutdoors.com. So anyway, appreciate all you faithful listeners, all the members out there. Love you guys. You're awesome.

And thanks for submitting the stories as well as some of the trophy room photos. Feel free to throw them at us. We'll print them. So anyway, good luck in the draws. Everybody should apply. And we'll go from there. So anyway, good luck to you. So anyway, good luck to you. So anyway, good luck to you.