EP 58: Long Range Accuracy with Todd Sholly of Redrock Precision. In this episode of the Epic Outdoors Podcast we sit down with Todd Sholly of Redrock Precision to talk about shooting and long range rifles. We talk about the new Epic Series rifle built by Redrock and some of the important factors to consider when selecting a rifle for your own hunts.

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So no matter where you travel in the world, it adjusts your 200 yard zeros.

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There’s a hundred different things, you know, that go into making a long range shot.

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It’s made me a more efficient hunter.

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Anything to do with Western Big Games.

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To the Epic Outdoors Podcast, powered by Under Armour.

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Hey everybody. Jason Carter here and Adam Bronson with the Epic Outdoors Podcast. We’re chilling right here at the Hunt Expo here in northern Utah, salt Lake City. So anyway, it’s one of our favorite shows. It’s giant and we appreciate them letting us have a booth. Of course, we have to buy our way in. But anyway, we do have a 20 by 50 foot booth. It’s Nu Booth number 2 8 4 5. Appreciate anybody that wants to come by and visit, come on by. So we are giving away a free rifle and for those that join today, as well as refer a guy. So if you’re gonna refer a guy, you’ll get a name and a hat for that. We’re gonna give it away on Sunday. So anyway, Adam, you’ve had a full monster already.

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Almost you guys get me outta bed too early, coming over here.

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So these, this Hunt Expo opens at 10:00 AM every morning through Sunday, 10 to seven. And so we run a few podcasts here. We’re starting at 7:00 AM here. Of course, we have the whole evening events and everything else, so it does get us outta bed a little early. So we are living on Monster. But anyway, just want to throw a little shout out to Under Armour. Appreciate them and their support for us. I know they got a lot of good things. In fact, they made mention to me the other day that they’re looking at their product line for 2020. So definitely not going away. Definitely gonna be a leader in the industry. And so anyway, really appreciate them and their support with Epic Outdoors and all that they do for us. And let’s get started. Alright, so right here we’ve got Todd Hawley. He’s chilling right here in our booth with us. He’s with Red Rock Precision. Super good guys. Adam and I know Todd and Kurt, and they run Red Rock Precision. We’ve known ’em for years and years and years and shot the rifles. Adam’s had, I don’t know how many clients killed Rams bucks. Bulls with their rifles

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A lot. Yeah. You know, and if, you know, I think when we first started, when you guys first started, we were pretty much hooked up with you right when you teamed up. And I don’t know when that’s been, seven, eight years, something like that.

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Yeah. Seven, eight years ago. We were talking about that. Yesterday. We were watching Gus Arveo on all his stuff. Were you? Yeah. Yeah. Is he

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Over at your booth? Well, we in your video.

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We just broke that one out. We haven’t used it for a while. And so just seeing all that we reflected back. That’s crazy. Yeah, it was a long

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Time ago. Funny you said something about Gus, where’s he from? Adam,

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He’s from Florida, but he’s, you know, originally he’s descendant from Spain. His family Puerto Rico via us. But he’s, he’s from Florida. Great guy. And a past client of mine, hunted deer with him, killed a couple big rams. And he was, he was pretty, he’s anybody that knows a gu, he’s very eccentric, passionate about his hunting and his weapon and, and his weapon. When he, when he got one of those in his hands, it was like love at first sight. I remember on, on one of a sheep hunts, he, he kind of customary, he, he’d bring a bottle of wine and I’m not a, I’m not a drinker, but he’d bring a bottle of wine on the hunts with us and like, Hey, here’s your, here’s your wine. I’m, you know, thanks for having me come hunt with you, you know, and I just put it in the trailer, whatever. Hey,

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Hey Gus, gimme some cash. Okay.

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But anyway, one day we found a big gram just before dark one night, Rocky Mountain Bighorn. And he, we couldn’t quite kill it. He was thinking about maybe trying to make a plan with his, with his bow. There’s way too many sheep. And we just thought, we’re just gonna blow it. It was just him and I that night we found it so we couldn’t go stalk it and leave somebody to watch it. So we decided to watch him till dark, come back the next day. So we were pretty optimistic that next day that we were gonna kill that ram. We got out there with a whole crew that, that daylight there, the ram was beded there, got, got lined up on him. After 30 minutes he stood up and, and he killed the ram on video. It was awesome. And got up to the ram and all that. And you know, he as customary for Gus that finished his grand slam and he pulled that bottle of wine outta his

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Pack, out of his pack.

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And he pulled the turret off the top of his, I remember the cat Red Rock for scissor Cat pulled it off and poured a little bottle of wine into shot and, and shot

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A little

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Bottle of wine. And he put the, the scope cover, the neoprene cover off the scope, put the bottle of wine in there, and it just sat it there and chilled and drank his bottle of wine on the mountain. And so those, those sculptor cats, that’s Guss, they can, they can come in handy.

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Many uses. That’s right.

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Shot they a mini shot glass. Yeah.

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Well, it’s pretty funny. I was laying in bed last night and I was just scrolling Facebook for a minute and Gus, Gus had friend requested me. Lastly, I did not On Facebook. Yeah, on Facebook. I did not expect him to be on

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Facebook. Yeah, he’s on Facebook. The boy’s on Instagram, but he’s on Facebook. Oh, okay. Good. Good guy. And yeah, we killed a giant ram in Arizona with him too. And he was probably the first client that, that we had by one of your guns, but obviously not the last, so, but anyway. Yeah. So we have, you guys used you guys’ rifles for a long, long time. But, but maybe just Chad, kick it off Todd, a little bit about how you, what you and Kurt known, knew each other for a long, long time. Always built your own guns probably. And that’s kinda how it started. And you both had different careers. I think he was the decent mechanic, you in the glass business and Yeah. And tell us what, what made you say, Hey, let’s do this, try to make a go of making guns? Well,

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First off, Gus was the first guy that ever came to our gun wrench to pick up his gun. Oh, was he the the first one? He was the first guy that ever did that. Oh, wow. And I didn’t, neither one of you were there. I don’t, wasn’t, no, but Gus, this is, this is the honest truth. We zero to admit at 200 yards and he’ll tell you the story. We shot all the way out to 1200 yards and he hit the bullseye on every single target. No way. That’s the honest truth. Well, I

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Ask him, I re I remember that gun. It was, he got it. He wanted it all black, you know, even the, the stock was, it looked like I almost unfinished. It looked like the woven carbon fiber stock. He didn’t have any camel. It was just black. Yeah, yeah. You know, he’s a, he’s a Spaniard, so he called it the El Matador, the killer. That’s what he called his gun.

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Well, he wanted the gun black, but he wanted his bolt just shiny, shiny chroma. And if you look at the gun on the video, it’s shiny.

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He’s very particular. He, he’s a doctor and very, very particular about that.

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So speaking of that, like the customization, how far will you guys go as far as customizing rifles?

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Oh, we’ll do whatever guys want, you know, and a lot of guys, they know exactly what they want, so We’ll, we’ll do whatever they want, you know, as far as finished bolt color

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Engraving. Yeah. Gold inlay. Yeah, diamonds blade in there.

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Pay for it. You’ll

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We’ll pay for it. But yeah, we’ll do what they want.

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So. Awesome. Well, tell us, just tell us, I know it’s been, I don’t know, how long has it been since we’ve had you on the podcast?

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We did one last year. Yeah.

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I’m just trying to think. Wasn’t it about this time, right? Yeah. Like it’s been exactly about 364 days probably. Yeah. We’ll, tell us a, you know, what you’ve done this last year with the company, what you guys’ plans are, of course we’ve got the Epic series. Yep. We rifle. But just tell us a little bit about it and then maybe some of the components that are going into your rifle. Just give guys a little taste of what they get when they get a Red Rock.

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Well, we’ve, we’ve changed up stocks a little bit. Guys want a little bit more slender looks. So we’ve done that, you know, some of our stocks before a little wider, but we we’re using a wide variety of stalks. And so guys have a little bit more to choose from. Lots of new calibers out there. You got the 30 nozzle and the 28 nozzle that are all caught on. So like, guys are big on those things. And which is the one

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I got the 30 nozzle?

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Yeah. 30 nozzle. And so yeah, a lot of new things as far as that goes. And we’ll, we’ll tailor things to whatever, you know, they want. So

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Guy wants a 22 long rifle. You can do it. Put a turd on that sucker. We, we’ll

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Probably, we’ll probably just go buy ’em one at sportsman

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Or something. And I know, don’t admit that it’s all, this is all because

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Rim fires. No, no rim fires.

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No rim fires. Yeah. No room fires.

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Right. So, but I know you, you, you have, and maybe more, but three main ones, if, if people don’t know if they’re, if they’re overwhelmed about, ah, I, you know, all these, you know Yeah. Long range options. You have three, three, maybe go through the three main options that you have for guns with the understanding that people can customize their scope. Yeah. Stock set up all of that.

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Yeah. Like I’ve got roski, but you know, not necessarily, you guys might, you know, you might like a night force or whatever, but, right.

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Yeah. Well we got our little lightweight sheep rifle, which we, we sell a lot of those, you know, guys just, I mean it’s, it’s a seven pound, that’s

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The one I got. It’s seven,

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A seven pound gun, you know. Yeah. And, and then we got our mountain rifle, which is what

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You have, I think that’s what we got the next step.

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I got

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The mountain rifle. Mountain rifle. Yeah. Okay. So it’s

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A little heavier, but a little more like,

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Like a pound,

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Right? Yeah, like a

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Pound. I’m telling you, I think with the scope, well, because I chose that Swarovski scope it, which was 22 ounces, I think. I think I’m under, I know I’m under eight with the scope mounted done. Right.

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Yeah. You

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Know, and, and so what

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Is your sheep rifle? You, you put a normally if unless they want something, isn’t it the four to 16?

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Four to 16? We’re using the new sig. They got a new, new one that we’re using too. That’s really the six R. Oh yeah.

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And or a, or a Huske mall. Either one. Yeah. I think I, I used one of those on one of my stone sheep hunts.

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Did you use the sheep, the sheep rifle? Yeah.

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Yeah. My, our 28 that Aaron and I had built wasn’t quite done. And so these guys were nice enough to say, Hey, take one of these. And it was, it was freaking awesome. So that’s a, that’s a path that you, you don’t even know what’s on.

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We developed that rifle with Brendan Burns is the one that got that

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Going. Yes,

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Yes. You know, he said, Hey, build me a light, light gun.

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It’s, it, is it under seven with that scope on, on the sheep upper right at seven.

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Seven over, it’s right at seven. Okay.

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Which is sig with the sig

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Scope. With the scope. We’ll, either one of those right there

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As we, well, I don’t, I know you’re gonna tell us more about these rifle. I just wanna talk about the sig hour real quick. What do you think of the scope?

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We like ’em. I mean, they’re really, really high quality. They’re great guys to work with. Geez. They’re super good guys. Really

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Good to, yeah. And it’s, and it’s cranking out to 1200, 1500. Oh yeah. It’s got enough adjustment. Oh

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Yeah. They, they, we, there’s two or three different scopes that we use are theirs that we’re starting to use and happy. Yeah, happy, really nice all the way around. Yeah. Really nice stuff. And the rangefinder. Yeah, the range, the,

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The rangefinders amazing. Yeah. Unbelievable. You’re the one that made me get that. I mean, you basically twisted my arm. They, they should be, of course. Once I saw it and used it, you didn’t have to twist too hard.

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Well, they should be against

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The law. They’re, they’re smaller.

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I mean, those things,

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They’re like computers in the field. Yeah,

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They are. It’s like I was telling, telling Kurt, you know, you got, you got hunters that are actually snipers Yeah. Shooting these deer elk now. Yes. I mean, it’s, it’s,

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So tell us a little bit about that range, the rangefinder, the 2,400. Yeah. Just tell us a little bit about o obviously I can, but I want to hear it from you. Well

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Go, you know what I mean? It’s got all your angle compensation in it. And, and the, the neat thing about it is, is you can zero your gun in, let’s say here in Utah at 5,500 feet. So no matter where you travel in the world, it adjusts your 200 yard zero. So you, you can show up in Africa and you don’t gotta re zero everything. You just, you just go hunt Wow.

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Senses your, your elevation, barometric pressure, all of those environmental factors. And then obviously the angle compensation, which in mountain hunting is a must.

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And you can shoot, you can shoot m o a or you can shoot your yard each turn, whichever you, you want, yard with temperature, humidity, just adjust everything.

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And then it says dial to here. Dial to here. Okay. So I used it this last year is unbelievable. Yeah, that’s exactly what happened. I shot my elk with your gun, which my gun I guess, but paid for it. But anyway, you guys built it. Yeah. And, and I used that six hour, 2,400 and it was unbelievable. I think my bowl was 560 something yards or whatever. And it, I felt like it hit within. Oh dude, I felt like, like it hit within an inch of where I was aiming. Yeah. Unbelievable.

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It’s, it’s kind of unfair. I mean, if you really think about it, I mean, yeah, we like to shoot stuff, but I think back, you know, 20, 30 years ago, oh,

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You know, I had

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The little

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Just holding over man,

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Just holding over and holding

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Well, and I thought, I think that’s unfair to the game. Yeah. We used to do some of that and we do, even at 400 yards. I shot that 237 inch deer in Nevada. I shot him at 400. And I mean, I don’t want to tell the whole world, but I guess I’m going to, I’m telling the first few shots were not that pretty. Okay. And and it was just over. Yeah. Oh yeah.

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Walking it in, of course you walked and you’re alone. Well, that’s

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What you did back there. We’re gonna, you’re gonna coin that phrase. Walking it in. Walking it

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Didn’t have a wingman. Didn’t have a spotter. I didn’t have a spotter telling me where I was hitting. I just had to look at his kneecap. I kind of knew. I

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Find this.

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So, and that’s, and that’s what happens, you know, shooting an old 300 weather bee mag in a Remington, you know, I mean, just the old classic, you know, three to nine, nine, and I thought I was doing something. I thought that was a wazoo gun caliber and everything else. But amazing what it’s come to from 2003.

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You’re definitely more ethical. Yeah. You know, I mean, that’s the good thing.

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Yeah. And if people still understand their limits, I mean the gun’s capable of a lot. There’s no question. And then if they understand their limitations as the shooter or the environmental conditions with wind or all the other factors that a has to play

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Hunters, hunters can choose to be ethical or not. Yeah. With this stuff, I mean, do you clean your gun? Are you particular about this? Do you use a bipod on both the front and the back? I mean, there’s a hundred different things, you know, that go into making a long range shot and long range. Let’s call that, you know, 400 plus. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. 500, 600. You better freaking have something on the front and the back of your gun. And

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400 yards is a long way. So

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It is, yeah. I mean,

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It’s 400 yards,

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But it, but with the right conditions and if you make the right, you know, you just have the right gear. You take the time. You, you pull it together. Yeah. You’re not that guy that gets buck fever and totally misses, which we all do that. Oh yeah. I’m not saying we don’t, and that it’s not fun to get buck fever once in a while, but, you know, you probably shouldn’t be shooting if you have buck fever at the moment, you know, for, just go out for a minute. Sure. And so anyway, we can choose to be ethical or unethical. I don’t think the guns are, are what define us as eth as define our ethics. I think we define our ethics and what we’re willing to do with that. And if I take it to 1600 yards and I’ve never shot 16, but that buck’s a 35 inch you’re getting away or something, then that’s unethical. Yeah. And I choose to either be ethical or not. And so anyway, I I, I’m kind of, I like the way things are now. I I do, I do get nervous when I hear about crazy stuff that’s, that’s coming down the pipe. And, and far as all that’s concerned, technology. But as far as, yeah. Yeah. Have we Adam, or I’m, you know, wounded a buck that got away? I can’t think of one. Yeah,

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No. Since I’ve used this, and I’m not saying it will never happen, but, but yeah, it’s, it’s made me a more efficient hunter killer. And I mean, my kids, I mean, Jason’s kids, I mean, they’re killing stuff. Guns, they don’t even know what they, what they don’t know. I mean, my kids never shot something other than your gun. And so he doesn’t have to go through the walk it in years.

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Yeah. My kids have never walked it in. No,

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No. And I don’t have him shoot longer.

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And I’d be disappointed if they did. Like, to me, that’s not a, that’s not even something we do anymore. And a lot of it’s come because of the technology Yeah. And the understanding of ballistics and your guns and, and you know, what you guys do every day, you know what I mean? And the evolution of this whole process. But like Adam and I haveve got kids, and of course they’re kill their killers, you know, they

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Just don’t, they just don’t know what they don’t. No. If they, if I had to take them back to shoot one of those old quote old guns that we used to have, it’d say, dad, this is, this is a piece of crap. Well, they would just be like, why me use this?

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They would look at you with that blank stare on their face. Like, you expect me to kill this,

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This, why wait me use that? You know? They just don’t know it. They don’t know.

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It looks like a shovel handle dad.

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Yeah. I had a kid, we had, I actually took Justin on his first deer hunt up there in Idaho. And you know, the deer I think was 250 yards, but he was facing us and there was a bunch of bucks. They’re all clustered together. And I’m like, well, this is gonna be good, you know, except for we need kind of the bigger buck of the group to step to the side or whatever. Yeah. But there was one buck facing us that didn’t have any deer around him. And, and he got all settled in. And I said, Kay, which one are you gonna shoot? And he goes, the one face us. You know? And I’m thinking, okay, that’s kind of a small target, you know? And I’m, and I’m said, are you dead steady, dead steady? Of course this kid’s, I’ve raised him from the time he was, you know, obviously in diapers, but once he even understood kill locations and, and yeah.

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And where to shoot, he’s, I know he’s well versed. I know he can make the shot, but he says, yeah, dad, I’m, I’m ready. And I’m thinking, squeeze one off. You know? And he, he hammered that thing. It didn’t go 10 yards. Didn’t go 10 yards. Wow. And, and that’s what Adam was saying with these kids is, is we can dial ’em in, get ’em set. If you teach ’em, you go to the range and you teach ’em Oh yeah. They’re killers up there. They don’t know what it’s like to move one. Oh yeah. And I’m appreciative of that, you know. Yeah, for sure.

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It is. So we talked about the, the two, the, the ultralight sheep rifle, I think, and then the mountain series and then the, the next step is extreme range mag.

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Yeah. Extreme range bag. So just a little bit bigger gun, little longer barrel, you know, heavier gun. Yeah. Nine pound gun. But it’s still probably the gun that we sell the most of. Really? Yeah. It is so

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Weight, everybody, I always hear, wait, wait, wait. But people are actually choosing a little heavier gun. Well talk

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To ’em about that. I mean, the trade-offs, Todd, in your mind of going ultra lightweight and then obviously there’s benefits to that. Yeah. If you’re going on a goat or a sheep backpack hunt versus having a, a heavier, a longer barrel heavier gun when it turn comes to bedding and getting your shot off and all that, all that.

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Well, anytime you got a heavier gun, they’re just easier to shoot. They’re more accurate. Just ’cause they’re, you know, they’re heavy. Yeah. You know, like we talked about last time, Chris, Kyle, you know, that gun that he shoots is 23 pounds. Yeah. Yeah.

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But the recoil doesn’t affect them and all that. Isn’t that, you know what I mean? Because it can’t move the gun off of plane, just the fraction of an inch. You know, those type types of things.

00:17:58:07 –> 00:18:13:19
Just a little heavier, wider, the everything about the gun’s just, you know, bigger the stocks, solid little. Yeah. Just, just more solid, you know, that’s what I shoot, you know? Yeah. And, but that’s still the gun that we probably sell the most of from that reason. Yeah. That and the mountain rifle. We sell a lot of mountain rifles. Well,

00:18:13:21 –> 00:18:32:20
Yeah. If people, it’s a natural, that gun, if you’re three pounds or roughly heavier Yeah. That, that’s a, that’s two days of food when you’re on a backpack hunt. Yeah. And so people’s think of it that way when you’re going on a, on a strictly backpack. Yeah. And it’s hard to have, you know, a gun for every specific use. But there are guys out there that do have ’em for his,

00:18:32:23 –> 00:18:47:20
It seems like the more mature guy, the more experienced guy, he likes the mountain rifle or the sheep rifle. Yeah. And the, the less experienced and, and, and the mount and the, the extreme range mags less money, but it doesn’t mean it’s not as good a rifle. Just,

00:18:47:22 –> 00:18:52:03
I think it’s because it’s you, you have some titanium components in some of your lightweight ones, which are more expensive.

00:18:52:03 –> 00:18:57:19
Right. Titanium titaniums a lot more. So your titanium action’s a lot more than your still action. Yeah. Wow. You know, so

00:18:57:20 –> 00:19:01:11
And so you’re not using the regular old 700 action than a lot of gun manufacturers are.

00:19:01:11 –> 00:19:09:14
Yeah. It’s, it’s, yeah. It’s just, it’s a full, full-blown custom action. Yeah. It’s made for us and just, I think it’s the best action you can buy. I mean, it’s, wow, they’re awesome. You guys have seen them, you know,

00:19:09:27 –> 00:19:13:28
They’re pretty amazing. So will you do any caliber on any of the three? Any of the three

00:19:13:28 –> 00:19:14:20
Models? Yeah, yeah, you can.

00:19:14:25 –> 00:19:20:10
So for example, like, I’m gonna do a brown bear hunt. You’d do a 3, 3 38 Remington ultra mag or Yeah.

00:19:20:18 –> 00:19:24:10
And we’d probably do that more in a heavier gun rather than that, that mountain.

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Oh, I wouldn’t wanna shoot it in the light one.

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You don’t wanna light

00:19:27:07 –> 00:19:30:11
Sheep hunter. The sheep hunter in a 3 38 an ultra mag.

00:19:30:14 –> 00:19:31:15
That thing’s gonna buck car

00:19:31:17 –> 00:19:33:10
250 grain slug Bronson.

00:19:34:02 –> 00:19:35:26
Yeah. So when are you going to hunt? Are you going to hunt brown?

00:19:35:29 –> 00:19:40:29
Yeah, may. Are you really? Oh yeah. Oh man. Yeah. Yeah. I take off at Bronson made me do it.

00:19:41:11 –> 00:19:41:19
I didn’t,

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One of our, one of our,

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I had an outfit call me other day and I’m

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One of our endorsed outfitters. I

00:19:45:27 –> 00:19:56:29
Just said, well, I can’t do it, but Jason’s on the phone right now, give it five minutes, but I’ll bet he’s gonna be calling you back. Hung up soon. He’s off the phone. I said, Jason. And he, he did called,

00:19:57:17 –> 00:19:59:25
Well I tried my wife, she didn’t answer the phone,

00:20:00:19 –> 00:20:00:28
So then

00:20:00:28 –> 00:20:01:10
I called the

00:20:01:10 –> 00:20:02:11
Outfitter. You did? I was there.

00:20:02:29 –> 00:20:04:25
Yes. So I did due diligence, right. Yeah. I

00:20:04:25 –> 00:20:06:17
Was there, Jana. I, I watched it

00:20:06:24 –> 00:20:11:02
And then I called the outfitter and booked it. And then my wife called back

00:20:11:12 –> 00:20:11:19

00:20:11:19 –> 00:20:22:23
Broke the news. And it, and luckily I’ve got the most wonderful wife in the world and, and understands that. But it’s one of those things, you know, they don’t come around very often and it, it literally in five to seven minutes it would’ve been gone. And yeah,

00:20:22:23 –> 00:20:36:23
It’s this may, it was a, a late last minute deal. He’s going down his list of his short list. And fortunately we were on that and, you know, whether we took it ourselves or or an epic outdoors clients, somebody was gonna get a great deal. And Well,

00:20:36:24 –> 00:21:08:12
And it was also one of those deals where, you know, I haven’t been with this guy and he kinda want, you know, I need to go and just be with him a little bit and stuff. And I’ve never killed a brown bear. Adam’s never killed one. And we wanna, there’s certain things you want do Yeah. For the experience of it. And we just wanna kill one of those giants. It’s not that I’m addicted to bears. Right, right. But it is going to happen at some point in my life. It’s a list. It’s off on your list at some point. Wow. Yeah. And so anyway, it’ll be clear off the end of the peninsula. I mean, we’re a hundred miles from the Ellucian islands, like we’re clear out there. Wow. So that’s

00:21:08:12 –> 00:21:09:13
Gonna be exciting. Yeah.

00:21:09:13 –> 00:21:12:22
You need to almost need to brush up on your Russia. You’re Russian, you’re

00:21:12:22 –> 00:21:33:22
Getting close. I am not very far from Russia at all. Really? No. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, you’re not And so it, well you probably are. You are. There’s a lot of blue water on the map. But anyway, it’s, we’ll be staying in a little cabin and, and it’s gonna be, you know, it’s gonna be one of those hurry up and wait and learn patience and Wow. You don’t glass for 14 days or whatever. That’ll,

00:21:33:22 –> 00:21:34:01
That’s gonna

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Be neat. You know, they’ll, they’ll be meeting a little bit hopefully and we’ll get a big old boar, you know, stuck with a sow there. But,

00:21:40:26 –> 00:22:07:29
So when it comes to the, the three rifles, but obviously the variations throughout Yeah. You know, whether it be scope combinations and all that. And I know we’ve talked with you about caliber selection and things like that, but if somebody I guess doesn’t know or doesn’t have their favorite, doesn’t come to you and say, this is what I want, what do you, how do you approach that and help them select a caliber? Is it usually like, Hey, what is your, where do you intend to use your gun for? Yeah. And how do you start that?

00:22:08:01 –> 00:22:30:02
That’s the first thing I ask them. You know, what do you do? What, where do you go? What do you do? What do you see five or 10 years from now doing? And so what we did this year is we got some rifles in our, in our booth that we’ve just kinda mixed and matched. Matched a bunch of different things like a carbon barrel with titanium action. Just a whole bunch of different options. So we got a lot of different things that guys can look at

00:22:30:02 –> 00:22:32:18
Just so people can see visually. I like that one. Exactly.

00:22:32:23 –> 00:22:40:14
So the sheep hunting rifle, I’m seeing these three models in my mind. And then you mentioned carbon with titanium. Is that sheep rifle a carbon with titanium?

00:22:40:19 –> 00:22:49:28
No, our, we do our mountain rifle with the titanium and carbon and then we’ve got some others that we’ve, you know, done a little bit differently and guys.

00:22:49:28 –> 00:22:53:12
So even though it’s carbon titanium, not necessarily your lighter model. Yeah, yeah,

00:22:53:12 –> 00:22:53:23

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Okay. But

00:22:54:22 –> 00:23:00:06
Guys really, guys really seem to like those carbon barrels. They like the way they look. And I’ll tell you, they shoot, is

00:23:00:06 –> 00:23:03:22
It just aesthetic aesthetics mainly, or do they shoot? No. Do they, they,

00:23:03:25 –> 00:23:04:29
Do you think they shoot better? I do

00:23:05:02 –> 00:23:08:11
You think the heating, the heating and heat trans dissipation, is that part, well

00:23:08:11 –> 00:23:12:26
Obviously they say that, you know, it’s still a steel barrel in inside there. Inside. They’ve wrapped it. Yeah. But just

00:23:13:14 –> 00:23:16:25
Vibration or is it something about the, I think it has muzzle vibration that

00:23:17:05 –> 00:23:18:00
Carbons absorbs

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It differently. I think if you see the regular still barrel and you see it in slow motion as a bullet’s going through it, that barrel almost hasn’t weapon. Yeah. It just almost has a ripley effect to it.

00:23:25:21 –> 00:23:27:23
Geez. That makes me wanna go throw mine in the garbage. Well,

00:23:27:23 –> 00:23:28:12
No, don’t do that.

00:23:28:19 –> 00:23:41:13
Well, well look, I, and you guys tried to get me to do a carbon barrel, but I was like, I, I actually love my rifle. It’s unbelievable. The accuracy’s unbelievable. So I can’t imagine, and I personally don’t like the looks of a big old fat, you know? Yeah. It just,

00:23:41:14 –> 00:23:46:20
To me, I don’t, it doesn’t aesthetically appeal to me either as much, much as just a slender barrel. Yeah.

00:23:46:20 –> 00:23:47:13
Barrel. Just like a barrel

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Barrel. Yeah. You know,

00:23:48:05 –> 00:23:49:17
But, but everybody’s different. I guess

00:23:49:20 –> 00:23:53:25
It didn’t mean to, it didn’t mean, you know, either. I didn’t like ’em either to look at ’em, but, but you’re,

00:23:53:25 –> 00:23:55:16
You’re a fan. The more you shoot ’em, you kind. But

00:23:55:16 –> 00:24:04:24
I shoot, I shoot ’em every day. Yeah. And it’s like I can take a 33 or a 30 nozzle and I can take it to the range and carbon and I know that I’m gonna get it loaded. What? Yeah. Really?

00:24:04:24 –> 00:24:11:02
Yeah. So I had guys tell me before that the carbon insulates the heat in there, like it’s an insulator. Is that not the case?

00:24:11:14 –> 00:24:13:26
I don’t think so. Okay. I really don’t. Alright.

00:24:14:01 –> 00:24:14:10

00:24:14:19 –> 00:24:22:04
Well, well, and the other thing about the, unless you’re long range and prairie dogs with, with your gun and you’re just firing like crazy. We about

00:24:22:04 –> 00:24:22:13

00:24:23:05 –> 00:24:40:05
Well if know where you have an unlimited tag for those everywhere’s got Arizona, you can shoot one Mexico. Okay. But you know what I mean, we as big game hunters, we don’t, we don’t heat barrels up. And if you do, you should probably just stop shooting because you’re walking ’em in, you’re walking ’em, you know, you pull the

00:24:40:08 –> 00:24:41:11
Coin, that phrase, you better trade,

00:24:41:15 –> 00:24:48:17
Pull the plug on it. But you know what I mean. So the, the heat in your barrels gonna happen more at the range than than it ever’s gonna happen to you. Yeah,

00:24:48:17 –> 00:24:48:25
Yeah, yeah.

00:24:48:27 –> 00:24:52:11
In the field. And a lot of guys really abuse their guns at the range. I mean, you would just see

00:24:52:15 –> 00:24:53:20
They light ’em up. Oh,

00:24:53:20 –> 00:24:58:07
They do. They’ll they’ll take those 28 nozzles and they’ll shoot 15, 20 rounds come on. Just Oh yeah.

00:24:58:11 –> 00:24:59:11
Just pound them. Yeah.

00:24:59:20 –> 00:24:59:29

00:24:59:29 –> 00:25:00:17
One after another. You,

00:25:00:18 –> 00:25:05:20
We’ve had guys send rifles back and you can just tell what they’ve done to ’em. You know, you gotta be careful with that.

00:25:05:25 –> 00:25:11:13
They send that in about 14 box empty boxes and say fill ’em, fill ’em and give me a new barrel. Yeah.

00:25:11:20 –> 00:25:17:12
Just, you know, these, these new rounds are, these new calibers are just, you know, they’re hot rods but they, they work good.

00:25:17:15 –> 00:25:22:01
Well I will tell you what works. And that’s my 30 ler. Yeah. Yeah. $28.

00:25:22:03 –> 00:25:45:16
I’ve got my bought one of your first generations and I can’t get, I can’t upgrade it. I’ve temp, you’ve tempted me a couple of times. Yeah. You guys came up the 28. We, Aaron and I, my brother got to 28 and so our am was different. I’ve got the old seven mm quote old, you know, and he’s got the 28. We love him, but they’re different boxes. So when we hunt together, we don’t have to worry about which box was that. Yeah,

00:25:46:06 –> 00:25:46:24
That makes sense.

00:25:47:04 –> 00:26:02:08
You’ve tempted me to upgrade, but I can’t get rid of that. That I call it the first generation. It might be your second, but it’s one of the first year or two that you guys were in business and it’s killer. No, it’s killer. And you have probably made some improvements, but it doesn’t matter. I

00:26:02:08 –> 00:26:09:12
Won’t get rid you. That’s the mag that you have help, you’ve killed a bunch of stuff with that Oh lot. And I don’t know why more guys just don’t build those, the smart guys do. So

00:26:09:22 –> 00:26:10:02
I love it.

00:26:10:02 –> 00:26:17:14
There’s the older guys ’cause they know if they go on a trip somewhere and their ammo don’t make it or something, you can always find seven mag ammo. Something. Yeah. It’s everywhere. Yeah.

00:26:17:14 –> 00:27:04:14
And, and I love it. My, I mean my Jason’s with me, we took that, our kid’s in New Mexico and I Oh yeah, my kid was nine. He got out and there’s this coyote, I don’t, you don’t see dumb coyotes for, but he had just stood out there like 275 drivers. He got out with that and piled dropped. His first thing he ever killed in his nine was with that seven. And kids, you know, and I don’t know when I was a nine year old, I, I mean, I shot a two 70 when I was about 13 or 14 when I started hunting. And sevens were belted a little bit more kick. But that’s that, that these new guns with the break, they just don’t, there’s no recoil to it. And the, and there’s not that much more at the 30 and all that. But anyway, so you, you start out with, with guys, ask them their practical use and where are you gonna use it and then where do you go from there? If you’re trying to steer ’em to one of your, either calibers or one of your rifles, how did, how do you then proceed down the process of picking the gun

00:27:05:02 –> 00:27:10:23
As far as, you know, when a guy calls on the phone or, you know, it’s kinda hard to, you know, walk him through everything, but

00:27:10:23 –> 00:27:12:01
Yeah, can’t walk him to your show. Show

00:27:12:01 –> 00:27:21:08
Him. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So, but I just, you know, I’ll ask him what he’s doing, where you going? And, and then I’ll just give him my thoughts and my opinions and then I’ll let him choose, you know, what he wants.

00:27:21:23 –> 00:27:37:00
So if somebody’s that, if they’re that open and you give your opinion, where’s the, what are the two or three? Is it like a, in this day and age, is it a a seven mm 28 30 nozzle? Are those probably the three that you, that come up the most? If you’re gonna recommend for the calibers,

00:27:37:03 –> 00:27:39:12
Your 6 5 2 84 comes up a lot. Oh that’s

00:27:39:12 –> 00:27:40:20
A, with the lightweight one one Right.

00:27:40:23 –> 00:27:41:07

00:27:41:07 –> 00:27:42:18
Round right now. Oh. It’s a popular round

00:27:42:25 –> 00:27:43:04

00:27:43:04 –> 00:27:45:10
Killing machine. It fun little low recoil

00:27:45:29 –> 00:28:00:13
And rifle and they, those things are so accurate. But that, that round’s been around forever. Yeah. That’s a bench rush round. And guys shot that forever and still do. Yeah. Wow. But we sell a lot of those. Do you? Yeah, because we got guys, you know, if he says, Hey, I’m just hunting deer and antelope, I’m always steering to it there.

00:28:00:20 –> 00:28:01:22
Or even a sheep, I mean

00:28:01:23 –> 00:28:02:17
Yeah. Or even a sheep.

00:28:03:05 –> 00:28:03:13

00:28:03:15 –> 00:28:08:24
Yep. And you know, you don’t even have to put brakes on those in all route. No. If you don’t want, you don’t, if you don’t wanna make ’em louder, you know.

00:28:09:04 –> 00:28:19:06
So do you have one stock option now? Like you said, you made some adjustments, got a slimmer stock. I mean, let’s say I come in, I, I call you up, I’m like, Hey, I want a round, I want a 30 ultra mag whatever, 300

00:28:19:10 –> 00:28:22:01
We got Ultra got three or four stocks we use. So it just

00:28:22:11 –> 00:28:23:10
Whatever feels good in your hand and

00:28:23:19 –> 00:28:26:20
Whatever feels good in your hand. So we give guys lots of options and, and

00:28:26:27 –> 00:28:47:00
Well let’s talk about something fun. Let’s talk about the epic series raffle. There you go. Something that’s what, let’s say a guy orders an epic series. He can obviously choose the caliber. We’ve got the, our little logo on the, on the plate and then a serial number and it’s 50 50 rifles. They get it put on 0 51 or 52 or

00:28:47:00 –> 00:28:49:12
50. Gonna do ’em in the Ridge Reaper pattern. Right. Ridge

00:28:49:12 –> 00:28:53:18
Reaper, camel pattern. What else? Tell us about that rifle. Tell us about the stock, the

00:28:53:25 –> 00:29:01:25
Titanium action. We got two stocks that we’ll use on that, that they can choose from. Okay. And you guys know Greg Wells? Yeah. Oh

00:29:01:25 –> 00:29:02:11
Yeah. He,

00:29:02:11 –> 00:29:10:04
He, he called me just a couple of days ago and they, he took his sons out and shot his rifles and said Todd, they’re freaking awesome. Good. Yeah, he, he was totally tickled

00:29:10:14 –> 00:29:12:20
Like three of ’em I think for, you know, around Christmas

00:29:12:21 –> 00:29:21:05
Or something like that. He actually bought four, three, get four three for his sons. And then he bought one for another guy. I wish I knew him and was good friends with him. He’s a pretty generous guy. But he, but he said Todd, I can’t believe how he

00:29:21:05 –> 00:29:23:01
Suits you. You mean you wish you were, you were his son. Yeah.

00:29:23:01 –> 00:29:23:18
Yeah. There

00:29:23:18 –> 00:29:40:01
You go. So those guy, those Vegas guys are pretty intense guys. And of course they, but they, they’re good guys. I’ve known ’em for quite some time and anyway, that’s what they Yeah. When they made that order I was pretty impress. It was pretty impressive. And so yeah, they’re ecstatic. Anything I’ve heard, just nothing but praises. Right. So,

00:29:40:03 –> 00:29:47:26
So we can do ’em in a car, we can do ’em with a carbon barrel and one of the ones that we did for him was a carbon barrel. And then we can do ’em in still barrels. Just whatever you want and

00:29:48:02 –> 00:29:54:28
Okay. The floor plate and the serial number of Epic. Epic, I dunno if it’s eo, I can’t remember, but it started at one, it started

00:29:54:28 –> 00:29:56:14
At 0, 0 0 started

00:29:56:14 –> 00:29:57:12
With mine one. Yeah.

00:29:57:25 –> 00:29:58:01

00:29:58:04 –> 00:30:01:26
Yep. Yep. So anyway, I’m not selling that sucker.

00:30:02:00 –> 00:30:02:08

00:30:03:06 –> 00:30:03:20
Well good.

00:30:03:23 –> 00:30:09:11
So I could always go get a new gun. No, you can’t go. 0, 0, 0 0 1 and I’ll be for 40. No,

00:30:09:11 –> 00:30:11:26
For sure. I’ve got it. We’ve got it in contract. You just didn’t

00:30:11:26 –> 00:30:13:20
Sign it. I dunno. So

00:30:13:23 –> 00:30:36:24
Well, yeah, so we are just for all the listeners out there, we are, you know, starting off, we were basically gonna start with January 1st kicked it off a little bit early ’cause there was kinda some high demand with Greg and a few guys that had heard that we were doing it. And so anyway, we’ve got an epic series rifle out there. Limited edition first come, first serve as far as the number. Yep. And it’s epic. We won’t be doing that in very often. No.

00:30:37:07 –> 00:30:37:11
I mean

00:30:37:17 –> 00:31:12:08
It’s rare to stamp our name on something and you know, you know, as you know in this industry this industry’s tight and it’s small and everybody knows each other. Yep. When you stamp your name on something, you know, it better be up to your standards of your name. And Adam and I hold epic in high regard and won’t do anything to tarnish our name. Yeah. And we stamped our name on your product. And so we want you to know how, you know, appreciative we are with that partnership of you guys and your support for us. And then, and obviously it’s not like you’re giving us any kickback or anything. I mean this is just something we want our name on. Exactly.

00:31:12:15 –> 00:31:21:26
We choose to have our name, we paid for our gun, our personal guns and, and our second guns that we got. It’s not like, you know, hey here’s a free gun and tell the world to get things about our rifles. It doesn’t

00:31:21:26 –> 00:31:33:12
Happen that way. Doesn’t, it doesn’t happen that way. And, and we don’t expect anything for free. No. You know, we all work for a living and so anyway, but we did stamp our name, our logo, the, the everything on that on your rifle.

00:31:33:21 –> 00:31:55:04
We realize that and we understand that. And you guys know how we do our rifles. We do. You know, so, so every rifle that we’re gonna build on the Epic se series is just gonna be like our other ones. We’re gonna take it out individually. We’re gonna work up a load specifically for that rifle. And that’s how we get what we get. A lot of people say that we, you know, other people have said you guys can’t continue to do that. We will continue to do that.

00:31:55:14 –> 00:32:25:26
Well that’s, that’s the little bit extra added touch that makes it Yeah. A real custom one-on-one rifle for you. Exactly. And not a, a cookie cutter long range gun. Yeah. That, you know, hey, they all shoot pretty, pretty good if we just kind of save a little bit of time and work up a general load for all the sevens and all the 20 eights and all the thirties and say alright, they’ll match close. It’s not that we’ve been there through your course. Yeah. We know how you do it. We’ve, we brought friends of ours up there. That’s right. You know, Adam Kearney when he shot his, he shot better than us that day. Well

00:32:25:26 –> 00:32:30:19
That he only shot, he doesn’t let us, he only shot four times and he didn’t wanna shoot a fifth time because he, because he

00:32:30:19 –> 00:32:32:12
Knew, he knew his luck was gonna out.

00:32:32:12 –> 00:32:33:23
He knew he’s not capable of shooting, shooting

00:32:33:23 –> 00:32:34:29
That good. No he’s not. But

00:32:35:27 –> 00:32:37:12
We all know that it was a fluke.

00:32:37:17 –> 00:32:39:13
But we had to listen to him the rest of the day.

00:32:40:05 –> 00:32:43:04
I’m still hearing from him. Yeah. He’ll leave messages, you know, anyway,

00:32:43:04 –> 00:32:43:29
I watched that video again.

00:32:44:03 –> 00:32:45:07
That’s right. That’s

00:32:45:07 –> 00:32:53:22
Right. But, but if you come to our booth right now, we’ve got, we’ve got targets of all the guns we’ve done in the last couple of months and, and they’re there for people to see. That

00:32:53:22 –> 00:32:54:19
Speaks volumes. You

00:32:54:19 –> 00:32:58:01
Don’t see anybody else here has that. Yeah. Nobody. Yeah.

00:32:58:04 –> 00:32:59:16
That’s great. That’s, that’s as good.

00:32:59:25 –> 00:33:08:08
I haven’t gone around to your company. I haven’t even made the rounds in this show. It’s so big. I don’t, you know, we’re just nose to the grindstone. But you would know. Yeah, well you would know.

00:33:08:15 –> 00:33:14:14
So let’s talk about, let’s talk about, alright. Building a gun. They’re awesome. They shoot good. You just talked about now a guy

00:33:14:14 –> 00:33:17:12
Comes to pick it up. Yeah. How does that work? So, so

00:33:17:27 –> 00:33:25:10
Any rifle that we build, we invite every single customer, whether it’s the epic gun or or other rifles or whatever. They’re more than welcome to come to

00:33:25:10 –> 00:33:25:23
U Utah and Utah. Don’t

00:33:25:23 –> 00:33:26:22
Charge ’em for that. We don’t charge ’em for

00:33:26:22 –> 00:33:27:23
That, for that day at the field. Yep.

00:33:27:26 –> 00:33:29:10
Come and pick it up and shoot it with us.

00:33:29:10 –> 00:33:30:14
You’ll teach ’em how to shoot it. We’ll

00:33:30:14 –> 00:33:31:22
We’ll teach ’em how to shoot it, how

00:33:31:22 –> 00:33:35:07
To bed it when they’re getting arrest. All the things that you go through, right, exactly.

00:33:35:25 –> 00:33:36:10
Yep. So we

00:33:36:10 –> 00:33:43:11
Do that and you’ve got a long, you’ve got target set up. It’s a very comfortable, you’ve got a shooting house there. If it’s raining, it doesn’t matter when they come or Well

00:33:43:11 –> 00:33:47:00
We do just what we did with you guys when you came and Adam came, we, that’s what we do.

00:33:47:11 –> 00:33:50:23
And so you guys build the rounds as well. Like I can order six

00:33:50:23 –> 00:33:54:04
Boxes. Just give us your serial number to your rifle. We’ll load it up. Save have

00:33:54:04 –> 00:34:10:18
It saved. Yeah. You save it by serial number on the computer or whatever. Yep. Got that load data. Yep. Yep. Okay. Yep. Well I’m gonna go to the range burn out a barrel. I need to order, order up some more rounds. So anyway. Well that’s awesome. Anything else you can tell us about that as far as you know? Oh,

00:34:10:20 –> 00:34:11:23
I think we’ve covered about

00:34:11:23 –> 00:34:37:18
Everything. Let’s say, let’s say I’m walking along aisle, I see a gun in your booth and I want that gun. Can I walk away with it today? No, not today. How about 15 K drop 15 k. You give it to me. Still can’t do it. I wanna walk out the door with a rifle today. You gonna sell me one? I’ll work something out. Alright, so how long is, let’s say a guy needs one by, you know, September, really? August-ish is archery hunting anyway, but let’s say August-ish. When does he need to order one today?

00:34:38:02 –> 00:34:48:02
Everybody that’s coming right now, we’re telling him six to seven months. Okay. I think we’re gonna go faster than that. We got these lined out pretty good as far as that goes. Good. So that’s just what we’re telling everybody. Yeah. Okay.

00:34:48:03 –> 00:34:56:00
So show season become, this is probably one of your last shows for the year, I’d imagine. Yep. And so they need a hunt and rifle by this fall. They’re gonna, they’re gonna get

00:34:56:00 –> 00:35:03:02
It. So how do you accept deposits? I mean obviously you know the, you know, the big ticket item. It’s kind of hard to just shell that out. But do you take a deposit?

00:35:03:13 –> 00:35:11:06
We take a deposit for each rifle. We take a $4,000 deposit and then when the rifle’s done, you come and pick it up or shoot it, or we ship it to you and you pay the balance then. Okay,

00:35:11:06 –> 00:35:17:18
I got so well with tax, tax season and tax refunds coming up and everything else. I don’t know, maybe guys gets his allowance. I don’t know.

00:35:18:03 –> 00:35:21:19
Tag tag draws coming up. You draw a big tag, you better get on the horn quick.

00:35:21:19 –> 00:35:23:06
And you know what, we have that happen, you know, we

00:35:23:08 –> 00:35:32:07
Later on sometimes you’re not saying you couldn’t in a certain sit situation. Yeah. But ideally you’d need plan for six months so that these guys, I’m, you know, don’t jam me in six weeks.

00:35:32:14 –> 00:35:37:15
I’m just waiting for a cancellation like the they do in the hunting world and the guy loses his deposit. That’s what I’m waiting for.

00:35:39:07 –> 00:35:43:29
Well, yeah, that doesn’t happen. They’re probably a very healthy waiting list and the next guideline gets the gun.

00:35:44:13 –> 00:35:57:01
All right. All right. So tell us a little bit what I like about you guys, your hunters, your killers, and that’s kind of what brought you to the table in the hunting industry. But you know, as far as making a living, building rifles, tell us about some of the hunts you went on this year.

00:35:58:02 –> 00:36:15:25
Girl, I, I went on a hunt with my daughter this year. She, she grew up hunting. I took, I went, I, when she very first was 12 years old and could hunt in Wyoming, I took her to Cody and we’d shoot white tails. We did that until she got into high school. And then when she got in high school, she started to play soccer. So for four years it was

00:36:15:25 –> 00:36:16:13
Tough, miss

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It was tough. I, I never, I never took her hunting and then just outta nowhere she decided, dad, I’m gonna go on a mission. Oh. So she went on a mission. Wow. So this last year was the first time I gotta go hunting with her in

00:36:30:17 –> 00:36:31:06
About six years or

00:36:31:06 –> 00:36:33:04
So. Seven years. Wow. Yeah, seven years.

00:36:33:08 –> 00:36:35:26
So she had built some points up maybe in Wyoming and she had some

00:36:35:26 –> 00:36:36:16
Points. Is that where you

00:36:36:28 –> 00:36:37:16
Did a deer hunt?

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We went, we, we took the llamas, we packed in the last four days of the season. You’re a

00:36:42:16 –> 00:36:42:24
Llama guy.

00:36:43:05 –> 00:36:51:24
Llama guy. Yeah. Yeah. So we packed in and it was just me and her and my nephew. Col Do you know Colby that works for mountain ops? Yeah. Yeah. He filmed the whole thing. But that’s

00:36:51:24 –> 00:36:51:29

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You know, two feet of snow, she trekked in there. She never complained. And we had a blast and she shot a deer the very last day. It was 488 yards and she shot my big 300 ultra mag. Oh wow. Just drilled up perfectly. Wow. And I tell you that was, that’s awesome. But I had, I went to Colorado with my two sons and we shot a deer there. I got in trouble. Wow. He shot it. I thought it was a one 90 deer and it scored 1 74 you guys. So your voice on I’m, oh, he was so mad at me.

00:37:19:20 –> 00:37:23:17
Yeah, well, yeah. You know, I know how to make him one 90.

00:37:25:01 –> 00:37:27:05
Just take him to a different person. Oh

00:37:27:10 –> 00:37:38:05
Man. Hey, so I want to backtrack just a little. You said Kobe works at Mountain knocks. Does that stuff even work? Does Mountain s even work? Is it work as good as Monster? Lemme tell you,

00:37:40:00 –> 00:37:50:02
I know one product that does work, they have this stuff that’s like nut, it’s in a bag and it’s has nutmeg or something in it. Yeah. But it helps you sleep at night. Really? It freaking works. Really? Yeah.

00:37:50:07 –> 00:37:54:08
Yeah. So I always thought Mountain Ops is one of those that pumped you up. This one actually slows you down. It. Yeah.

00:37:54:08 –> 00:37:59:29
This one just helps you sleep at night. Wow. Really? But they, yeah, their stuff works you guys. Oh, okay. I used it. Did you?

00:38:00:10 –> 00:38:00:17

00:38:00:17 –> 00:38:04:17
Right. Well, I didn’t know if you’d know a little behind the scenes of what Kobe might say. Kobe still

00:38:04:21 –> 00:38:09:14
In trouble a little for you guys. He used, he used to do, I know your social media and stuff and I don’t know if he still does.

00:38:09:22 –> 00:38:15:11
He does. And he’s awesome at it. Instagram and stuff. He’s and he’s going, he’s going on his own. Yeah. And he’s going to, they’re gonna do

00:38:15:11 –> 00:38:15:17

00:38:16:02 –> 00:38:19:08
He’s, photography is stuff and he’s good at it. And he’s,

00:38:19:11 –> 00:38:22:06
Does Mountain Ops know this or are they gonna learn from the podcast? Yeah,

00:38:22:06 –> 00:38:22:16
No, they know.

00:38:23:02 –> 00:38:43:20
I know Jordan and those guys, we, we love those guys. The mountain ops guys, of course, they support some of our good friends. Shed crazy. Ben Deani and a few of these guys. And, and so we do like ’em. I like just teasing them a little bit. Give ’em, we’ll give ’em a little free air time. But anyway. Well, cool. Anything else you wanna talk about right before we end this thing? Yeah.

00:38:43:21 –> 00:38:57:04
You know, I just, no, I, I feel blessed to be able to be in this industry and to do the things that we do. You know, I was in the glass business for, you know, 20 years and, and I, I didn’t mind it, but it was just a drudgery, you know? Well,

00:38:57:04 –> 00:39:37:17
You kind of turned in personal hobby in a way. Yeah. Like Jason, I, it takes a sacrifice. Exactly. It’s not, you just don’t flip a switch and you got a, a gun business running itself and making you a living or, or something else. And so you gotta, you know, you’re, you’re leaving something steady Yeah. To some extent for something that’s brand new and upstart. Right. But, but the good thing about it, your name’s on it, kinda like Jason and I with, with Epic Outdoors. And you’re the kind of guy, Todd, we know you, you’re not, you’re not gonna let your personal business fail because your name and your reputation mean more than anything to you. So, no. And so it’s not like it’s that risky. Yeah. But at the same time, it’s, it’s easier just to have a, a different job that you’ve had for a long time. Yeah, yeah. And go to work doing that. So Yeah.

00:39:37:27 –> 00:39:46:10
One thing I’ve learned over the years is every job there’s pressure and there’s headaches and it doesn’t matter what it is. And there’s just things that you go through. Yeah. And, and you have to work through him. You

00:39:46:10 –> 00:40:06:12
Know what I mean? It doesn’t matter what it is. Adam and I have always tease each other. ’cause he’ll be working his guts out at three in the morning. We, and he’s, his office is right next to mine. And of course we got Windows and I look at him, I’m like, remember Bronson? They don’t, they don’t pay people to wet a line. You know, you don’t just get paid to kill stuff. Right. Or fish, whether it be fish Yeah. Or beer or elk or whatever. But, so, you

00:40:06:12 –> 00:40:13:16
Know, that’s one thing I really, really miss. I, I fly fished everywhere for long, long time. Oh, did I? Did so. Yeah. Yeah. I, I miss that.

00:40:13:25 –> 00:40:18:24
Yeah. Well, well what, don’t think about it. Just don’t think about it. It’s the only way we can get through our days too.

00:40:19:01 –> 00:40:20:29
You mentioned, you mentioned Wet the Line

00:40:21:05 –> 00:40:21:20
And so it

00:40:21:20 –> 00:40:24:25
Rain, you know, I automatically thought fish, you know. Well,

00:40:24:25 –> 00:40:34:22
Tell us. Yeah. Maybe before we wrap up, what do you have on tap for this year? Either personal hunts or something. Seems like you maybe get something. Maybe hopefully brewing. Got some elk points in Utah. Maybe trying to cash

00:40:34:24 –> 00:40:38:12
Milk. I’m gonna hunt with Josh over there. Josh Hors

00:40:38:17 –> 00:40:39:20
Our good buddy. I’ve hunted with him.

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Slope Diamond Mountain.

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He’s awesome. You’ll, you

00:40:41:13 –> 00:40:45:00
Know, I’m trusting him. He is burn some points. I’m gonna burn some points. Good,

00:40:45:00 –> 00:40:45:08

00:40:45:13 –> 00:40:49:10
His words were Todd, we’re gonna three, we’re gonna shoot a 360 to three 80 vol. All

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This is Josh. Ooh. And it’s on the air. In fact, after this hunt, let’s have a podcast. After this hunt, I’m gonna, I’m gonna interview you and Josh. All right. He’s probably gonna be like, you know that Todd couldn’t shoot, he needed to bring a gun that could shoot. That

00:41:01:07 –> 00:41:02:11
Ain’t gonna be a problem guys.

00:41:02:16 –> 00:41:02:23

00:41:02:23 –> 00:41:03:01
Gonna be

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Ready. So,

00:41:04:17 –> 00:41:04:26
You know,

00:41:05:19 –> 00:41:07:04
Pressure’s on if you’re listening.

00:41:07:08 –> 00:41:11:07
That’s right. Josh. If freaking can get ready buddy. Yeah. Awesome.

00:41:11:24 –> 00:41:13:11
Good guy to talk to though, you know. Oh,

00:41:14:00 –> 00:41:33:14
Wait till you go with him. Yeah. Yeah. He’s a pleasure to hunt with. He’s a good guy. We hunted lions with him and everything. Really. I’ve sense in one of my main guys, you know, over there at Under Armour Archery killed a deer during rifle. The, like when you could have Hunged with a rifle and, and killed one with Josh the first freaking five hours he got there. Really? Josh has got some amazing properties. He’s a good

00:41:33:14 –> 00:41:48:11
Guy. Good. Got, yeah. A couple things you guys come to mind that, that have in common just before we end here, is you both have Ring unique Ringtones. You I think have like a old Chris Ladue song. Yeah, yeah. Chris and Josh has like Alabama play me some mount music, but just these old

00:41:48:18 –> 00:41:48:24
I know.

00:41:48:27 –> 00:41:49:16
Old country

00:41:49:21 –> 00:41:52:18
Song guys. So there you go. It’s gonna be a good marriage right there.

00:41:52:18 –> 00:41:52:28
There it’s,

00:41:52:29 –> 00:42:03:26
Well, I just want to, I’ve been thinking about the next podcast we’re gonna do with you. I want to talk about the llamas a little more. Okay. I can see the use like in grizzly country. ’cause they would have a, a grizzly would have a target to run after instead of me. Well,

00:42:04:08 –> 00:42:19:02
You know what, I, I went on an nail cut in Wyoming about, gosh, it’s been seven, eight years ago and I killed a 360 bull there. Yeah. But those llamas, if you stake ’em out around your tent, they’ll tell you when a grizzly’s coming, they’ll tell you snorting. And, and the

00:42:19:02 –> 00:42:23:00
Grizzly looks at ’em and is like, I don’t think I, I don’t think I really feel like llama today. No,

00:42:23:06 –> 00:42:31:12
They, they won’t come around. They won’t bother you. Really? They make this high pitched squeal. Do they really? And it’s, it’s kind of eerie at three in the morning when all of a sudden that goes off and you’re in grizzly country.

00:42:31:13 –> 00:42:33:22
Really? And those bears are like, what’s that?

00:42:33:22 –> 00:42:39:04
Yeah. So you don’t need your electric fence around your tent. You got three llamas on each side of you. Yeah. Four. Four.

00:42:39:10 –> 00:42:46:04
Those guys up in Canada, a lot of times they have a dog in camp for that reason. Bears don’t mess with the dogs too much. Nope. Llamas. That’s weird.

00:42:46:20 –> 00:42:53:06
I’ve had llamas for 35 years. You guys really? Yeah. I’m on my second run. My, you know, my first, they’ve all passed away. What

00:42:53:06 –> 00:42:57:13
Do they live? What’s it, does it like a horse 20, 25 years? Or they live, how long do they live?

00:42:57:27 –> 00:43:04:01
Well, my, my best llama that I had, he was about 23 years old. That’s about as long as they live. I see.

00:43:04:05 –> 00:43:07:17
Holy cow. Cow. Yeah. That’s like a family member. Oh

00:43:07:17 –> 00:43:10:04
Yeah. Yeah. Big time man. So me tea, I cried when he died and I

00:43:10:04 –> 00:43:13:08
Cried. So me teasing about them getting eight by Grizzly. Isn’t that funny? No, that’s not,

00:43:13:08 –> 00:43:13:18
Not really

00:43:14:23 –> 00:43:15:04

00:43:15:08 –> 00:43:15:29
You hit a herb.

00:43:15:29 –> 00:43:16:12

00:43:16:12 –> 00:43:20:29
So Kurt’s gonna take ’em this year. He is taking all the scouts from his ward and they’re going to On a

00:43:20:29 –> 00:43:22:07
Wilderness Yeah. Pack. You’re

00:43:22:07 –> 00:43:33:20
Gonna pack into the uns and take the llamas. Oh. You know, so kids need to do that stuff more. I took every one of my nephews to Cody, Wyoming to shoot deer when they grew up. Oh wow. Wow. When they were 12. I took every one of them. That’s awesome. Really?

00:43:33:24 –> 00:43:34:02

00:43:34:19 –> 00:43:44:11
That’s awesome. Well good. Well we sure appreciate you guys. Thanks a lot. You know, you guys have supported Epic and Adam and I and the guys from the beginning and we just really want to thank you for that.

00:43:45:02 –> 00:43:45:28
Us Thank you guys. Thank you

00:43:45:28 –> 00:43:59:00
Guys. Yeah. You believed in us and, and we believe in you. And of course you’re gonna keep going. You’ve been doing it for years and years and this is nothing new for Adam and I either. Our business is something we’ve done for years and years and years. So anyway, we appreciate the partnership. Thanks. Thanks. Thank

00:43:59:00 –> 00:44:01:02
You guys. Appreciate it for stopping by today. Okay,

00:44:01:02 –> 00:44:03:13
Sounds good. Have a good show. Okay, you too. All right.