In this episode of the Epic Outdoors Podcast our host, Jason Carter, sits down with John and Jen Rivet. Jon and Jen are longtime outfitters in Canada. They have made a life in hunting together since they were teenagers. They share their unique story of two young kids who worked hard together to build an outfitting business in Canada. We cover a lot of topics from Fishing Tackle to Black Bear hunting.

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Going out to the trapping cabin to live. How you gonna provide for your

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Family? I find out you could flesh a hide, you could skin a bear. Moves here for us. We actually live off of it and decide, okay, this is a huntable population.

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Anything to do with Western Big Games.

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Welcome to the Epic

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Outdoors Podcast, powered by Under Armour.

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Hey everybody. Jason Carter here with the Epic Outdoors Podcast, brought to you by the Expo. We’re here at the Expo with John and Jen Revit today. Super awesome. People. Can’t wait to do this. Been waiting for a year or maybe even over a year to visit with these guys. But anyway, before we get cranking, we do want to have a little shout out to Under Armour. Good people over at Under Armour have really supported us, all of us here at the table. John, Jan, and myself, as well as the Epic crew. You know, back in the day I was doing the Ridge Reaper TV show on the outdoor channel, and of course, that’s moved to YouTube, but still with them. Just appreciate them and their support, and hopefully we’ll be with them forever.

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As we get started here, I just, John and Jim Rivet are special people. Anybody that’s that knows them or followed ’em on social media, I think think the same. They’re just down to earth. Good, good people. And in fact, the first time I think I ever introduced to you guys, you were doing a little selfie video clip on the Taylor Swift song, and I hit you on the side. No way. Yes. I don’t even, what song was it? You probably remember.

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Probably Blank Space or something like that.

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It’s the one, the same video that they had the police officer singing it in his

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Car. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Waving his finger

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And dancing. It’s on the workout list. Anyways,

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I work out the Taylor Taylor Swift.

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Yeah. And I was like, oh my gosh. These are the freaking happiest people I’ve ever met in my life I’ve ever met. We gotta have some balance.

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Balance, because Jen’s got the heavy metal on when we’re working out. So Really?

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I’m a little bit the opposite that way.

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Yeah. Are you? Well, good. Anyway, so you guys are awesome. I don’t even know where to start. There’s so many things I wanna pull outta you guys. As far as I know, you’re hunting everything you can in Canada. You’re guiding, you’ve done many, many things. I know you’re just back to, you were just in Texas. I know you’re gonna head back to Texas. You’re trying to kill everything here. Lower, lower 48, as well as in Canada. Our

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New Hoyt Rx ones are set up for Monday. So we’re taking ’em with us Wednesday to Texas, and we’re gonna kill something before we get back home. Start

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Hunting bears. Do you guys ever get tired of killing stuff? We

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Actually don’t. No, because we’re hunting with a purpose. Like, I don’t like to kill something, but everything that we’re killing is for a reason. Like I shot a dough in Texas last week, and I was hunting with a purpose that was one of our friends at Hoyt that doesn’t hunt, but loves to eat wild game. So I had a purpose to kill a nice dough for her and, and make a clean kill and get the harvest and butcher it up and bring it here with us.

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And they’re trying to manage. Right.

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Totally. Yeah. They need to. Yeah,

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It’s just a whole management practice down there. Yeah. And so anyway, we’ll, tell us just, I know you’ve been on other podcasts, but for my listeners, tell me how you began. Where ba start from the start. Holy boy. Hunting. Yeah. All right. Yeah. I’m, I’m in Canada. I guess I, I don’t know. Were you born in Canada? This

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I start is, yeah, the start’s a long story, but, we’ll, we’ll do a little pieces of it. I

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Think for both of us. You, you wanna look at, if I joke to people, if you check our D n a Yeah. It’s in there. Like the hunting, the fishing, the outdoors. Yeah, the trapping, the living off the land. It, because both of our families go back so far doing that. Oh yeah.

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Our grandparents, you know, well, back then, you didn’t have any choice. There was no supermarket. No, you ate, you

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Want, you ate what

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You to moose, you know?

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And my great grandparents moved out to El, or first actually in Saskatchewan, Canada. And then they moved out to Alberta. So they actually broke the land where they lived and everything. So when I was a little girl, my dad wasn’t a, he would take us fishing and everything, but he didn’t really think playing hockey for girls was cool. And he didn’t really take us big game hunting. So that was something new when I got a little bit older. But when I was young, I worked on my grandpa’s farm, went trapping with him all the time. Gotta shoot guns. I gotta be his oldest grandson. So that actually exposed me to that part of the world besides just hunting. And we call it chicken hunting, so like grouse and stuff like that. But yeah.

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Yeah, Jen’s actually has much or more of a bushman than I was. ’cause really

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Of my life was maybe half of my youth was in the city. And she was in the country. I mean, wow. Our, our first date when we met, I was 18, she was 15. Guess what it was. She took me for a ride on her four-wheeler.

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They probably had three wheelers back then. We

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Yeah. But they’d just come out with the, the Honda t Rx three 50. So she had her dad’s four-wheeler. So

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Now you know how old we are. Yeah.

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I’m gonna Google that. Yeah. In fact, before we even get off this thing, I’m gonna Google figure out how old you guys are.

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Yeah. But for me, being in the outdoors and living off the land, I mean, for my parents, I mean, they made a decent living. Yeah. But if it wasn’t subsidized by, like, we had a huge garden. We did all of our own canning, our own, like all of that stuff. Put everything in the freezer. We did, you know, moose, bear, elk, deer, all the wild game, all the fish, all the, you know, birds that you could get duck ski, whatever, whatever it was. That’s how my parents failed a freezer to help us afford to live. Yeah. So, and my grandparents, my mom said when they were young, like if my grandpa didn’t get a moose over before winter, they’re borderline starving during the winter. Wow. Because they’re just, he, he logged, he trapped and had a little dairy farm. And it was just, you did what you had to do. Sometimes he’d be gone for months working just to supply for the family. So,

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Holy cow.

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So for me, for like, ’cause I cook and I love to hunt and I love to be outdoors and camp and do all these things. It’s not just, oh, it’s a fad thing. It’s just,

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Well, that’s what we did.

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It, it, it’s ingrained in me. Yeah. And if you go back when you check out your heritage and your history, ’cause I know that’s big, everybody wants to know their heritage and their lineage. For me, as far as you go back, it’s like trappers, hunters, fishers, farmers, harvesters. So,

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Wow. Just living off the land,

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It, it’s, it’s in me. Like, it, it makes me excited. Yeah. If I see old barns, old farms, old history, then I’m like, you can ask him. He’s like, stop, stop, stop. We gotta take a picture when we’re traveling or, and

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We actually live up there where Jen’s from, really? They live right there. Like her, her mom’s up there, her

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My great aunts where my grandparents homesteaded and stuff. Yeah. Her

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Uncle’s still got the trap line and he teaches trapping and all that kinda stuff.

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Holy, holy cow. Yeah. So you probably don’t have a Walmart up there that makes meat like we do here. Yeah.

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I don’t know. People seem to tell us, oh, why do you have to kill so many animals? Yeah. Why don’t you just go to the store and buy it? I’m like, people

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Actually make that comment on social media. Yeah. Why don’t you just go to the supermarket and, and get meat instead of killing something.

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Yeah. I know. What do you say? Well,

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I, I’m actually very, ’cause a lot of them, it’s just lack of knowledge. Yeah. So you have to, some are just because they wanna be rude and they don’t wanna know. Yeah. But there’s actually a great part of the population that have no idea. Like, they’re so disconnected from where we all came from. Yeah. Because you go back a hundred years, everybody had to live the same way. Yeah. Unless you were ultimately rich or some royalty or something.

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Yes, exactly. So

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It’s like you had to have a garden. You had

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To make, that’s way my, that’s the way my heritage is. They, they did,

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You had to make your own bread. You, you had to sew your own clothes. Like, well,

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A lot of ’em, they couldn’t even afford. They couldn’t afford, even if there was available, they couldn’t afford it. You know what I mean? Yeah.

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My mom remembers as a little girl getting once a new pair of shoes once.

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And their Christmas gift would be like, they would get an orange if they could actually get ’em. Yep. I’m not even joking. My dad too. And like in a little, an orange

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For Christmas or in a little bag of candy. Yeah. That was

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Christmas. That was Christmas. That was huge for them. So, wow.

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You know what? It would be nice if we could go back to those days. I’m, look how far I like those days. We’re disconnected. Yeah. I’ve been talking to guys even about these cellphone, social media. Of course, we are all on social media. I get

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That Jen, Jen was definitely born like a hundred years too late. She should have been born in a

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Wild west to be a pioneer woman or whatever. Yes. I, well, I would say 90% of my would do good in a pioneer woman.

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She likes the washer, the, the electric washer. Those,

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Those women are spoiled, John. Yes.

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Yep. But,

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But the outspoken part of me where I, you know, ’cause back then women were put in a box. Yeah. This is how, this was your place. This is what you did, this is what you do. That’s it. Yeah. So for me, I’ve always been a little bit of a rebel that way. Somebody tries to put me in a

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Ball box. Can’t imagine. I just can’t imagine that.

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It’s like, you shouldn’t be a girl guide. You shouldn’t be guiding, you should be cooking. And I’m like, you should probably, we’re gonna chase, we’re gonna chase say that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You should check yourself. If you, if you wanna big bear, I’ll take you and get a big bear. Well, I don’t know. I’m like, okay, then.

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Okay. Yeah. As a girl guide, we’re gonna chase so many rabbits on this podcast. I know. Let, let’s do it. But as, as a girl guide, before people, you know, kind of knew who she was, they come up and they’re like, okay, I’m gonna be guided by a girl. Like Yeah.

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She really knows? She does. And try to tell me,

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Did she really do this? Like Yeah.

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This is my 27th year. Wow.

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And I mean, I, I’ve had my licensing and stuff, but I guess I’ll pedal back a little bit is when my, when we started having our kids and stuff, I didn’t go out. I, I didn’t guide. I didn’t like, I’d go help out encamp and stuff. But for me, in my heart, my purpose was being at home with my babies. Yeah. I didn’t want other people to raise my babies. Yeah. I didn’t wanna miss a moment. So until I got older, probably our youngest got into like, seriously grade two. And we have four children. So once he got about seven, eight years old, then I’d take all of ’em with me and do a week here or two weeks there. And I’d do it that way. Yeah. I just, I just felt that God bless me with those babies. Yeah. And I love my babies. And

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Life became so nice once the kids were old enough. And Jen could guide with me full time. Man, life is good end now.

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Well, she was probably sassy. You know, you stick her in the house with kids. Yeah.

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I, I just, you know what? It’s funny. All of her kids are in their twenties now. We’ll get into all of that I guess in a bit. But I really miss when they were little. I love just seeing all their growth and all the development and all the, all the fun things. And I’m, I’m waiting, I’ll say patiently for grand babies. Oh, my kids don’t think I

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Am. We want grandkid. Like now we’re seeing little babies here with people like, oh, Jen, Jen. And then Jen will go shopping for baby clothes. Like, oh my God. Just people that she barely knows. She find out somebody’s having a baby. She’ll go shopping.

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Hopefully that’s coming outta your tip money. John’s like, Hey, that ain’t coming from the family budget. ’cause we don’t even have grandkids yet. Well,

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It’s like the whole, going back to the hunting aspect where people, you know, like we had a comment on social media here, what, two weeks ago. And because they’re, we, we are actually posting a couple things that we have shot in Texas and that, and somebody says, well, aren’t you being a little bit gluttonous with all of the things you’re killing? Like there’s no way. Wow. No way you could consume all of that. Me,

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It was pointed at me. Wow. And I looked back and thought I barely killed anything this year in Alberta. Like I’m usually guiding clients. And this year we really wanted to, you

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Either guide or kill you. Don’t do both. Generally we

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Wanna take a lot of time to hunt with our kids this year. After 29 years, the kids are like, dad, we barely have time to hunt together. People think you’re an outfitter. You know, your kids get to hunt all the time. No way, man. We’re,

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On vacation prime time.

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What I see is none nonstop vacation. That’s

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Now, it’s the last two, three years we’re making up for all the years we do.

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Which Jan and I, my wife and I talk about it all the time. They have got it made like you and you. And it doesn’t come without 29, 30 plus years of sacrifice. Those the of sacrifice. Yes. But Jan and I are looking at it going, at some point we gotta pull our heads out and go, what do we really want in life? ’cause ’cause nose to the grindstone 12 months outta the year isn’t working. Right. I mean, I mean life can,

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Life is short.

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Yeah. And then to watch you guys, you work hard. You work dang hard. Yeah. And then you play hard, you know, it doesn’t mean you have to spend all the money in the worlds. You guys are traveling and doing things. But we’re so

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Blessed and spoiled with all the clients we have, you know, that’s it. People that are very wealthy, well off invited for the last 30 years, been inviting us to go visit them. Go hang with them. Yeah. You guys

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Are staying at these kids. The ranches

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Can be gone. Yeah. But this

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Is more money to go, like everybody says, oh, you know, we get that phrase. Oh, it must be nice. Well, it’s only been really the last two years that we’ve actually, we could’ve done it a little bit before, but Yes. You gotta allocate what you wanna do and how you wanna do it and health and parents health and, I mean, family comes first. So you are always doing that juggle. We

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Are becoming snowbirds though. Yeah. And it’s a little bit more of a year, a little longer

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Period. I know it’s been between minus three nine Celsius and wind and just nasty weather at home. So it’s not really that enticing for us to go back, but Yeah.

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So the US Canada government says you’re allowed to come spend six months down here. So eventually, is that what

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They say? I didn’t know there’s

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Six months. Yeah. Oh, okay. So eventually itll six

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Months in one day. They don’t want you back.

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No. He would be cheering at the border. Yay. Who wants to adopt me

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If they don’t let me get back in? Well, my passport actually expires at the end of the month, at the end of the month. So we have to be home before that. So I thought, what happens if I go back a couple days later? What happens if you

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Get really sick? You’re stuck in a hospital in the US

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Dad here forever. Yes. Now I get to carry a handgun

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And you get to apply for bear tags like the rest of us. That’d be terrible. That’d be terrible.

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It’s so funny.

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Wow. Well that’s awesome. I just think it, it’s great that you guys are able to do that and to be able to, to do everything that you’re doing and, and so, so,

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So I started off, so me here, go back to John.

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Well, well I was gonna go back a little bit. Okay. Do it. She’s chasing you at 15 years old. Oh yeah. No, no. I’m seeing her on a four wheeler. No, running you down. I was chasing on your bike. Maybe one, you know, with one wheel freaking outta air or something, you know what I mean? No,

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He was the stalker. I wasn’t

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Playing drove fire. Firehouse came, we just moved up there. My dad had retired

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Probably back then. If she’d have had truck cameras, she’d had a video mill down at your driveway or something.

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I had a Honda three wheeler and we moved a mile from where she lived. Okay. And that three wheeler got some miles in that year. Boy, I was back and forth to her place all the time. I’ll bet. It’s funny, when I drove by the, when I seen her standing in the front yard, I, I thought, that’s my wife. That’s my wife right there. You did not. I did. So I knew it was her. Now I had to figure

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Out how, what, 17?

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I was 18. 18. So now I had to figure how to get it.

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18, 19. Do you guys have the 18 rule?

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Yeah, they did. You

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Do? Yeah. Okay. So did you have to explain that to her? Look, three more years, huh? Yeah.

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So I had to figure out how to go see her. How am I gonna go talk to this girl without making it awkward? So a couple days later, I’m driving around, there’s a horse loose down the road. It’s just running all over the place. And there’s very few houses up there. This is, this is way up where we hunt. Now this, this is

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In the bush. Nowhere. This is bush. Yeah.

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She lived in the bush

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At the end of the road and there’s like, oh, my five families see this horse

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Running around loose. I thought, perfect. I’m gonna go to their house. ’cause her father was a greater operator. So the greater parked in the yard. So it’s kind of the hell he created. I figured, figured you could go visit him. Yeah. Because

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He knew everybody and who everybody was. And I

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Pull up and I’m like, Hey, there’s a horse running around. I don’t know whose it is. We just moved up here and ended up meeting her. And next thing you know, we’re going on a date on her four wheeler. And oh my gosh, she drove to work.

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So wait, you drove there at 15 or 16? 15? That’s what I’m gathering. 15.

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Okay. Okay. We,

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We didn’t go by the book what people think the book should be, but life doesn’t always, you can’t always find the no. Follow the

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Book. No.

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So she drove down, I’m sitting behind her. I get to hold onto the rack, you know? Yeah.

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This is his version. Yeah.

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This is his version.

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And on the way, we went to the creek, down in the bush. And then on the way back, she let me drive her four-wheeler. Wow. That was cool. Big deal. And I think she let me drive so she could hang onto me. Yeah.

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That’s for Oh, she

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Didn’t hang onto the rack. She hung onto me. Yeah, yeah,

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Yeah. Oh yeah. Oh

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Yeah. You gotta let these IES stay alive. He, he’s getting older now, so, you know, and the rest is history and the rest is history. Yeah.

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Oh my gosh. Well, I have a really good friend. I have all the respect for him in the world. Unbelievable. But when he took his wife out, they went to a steak dinner, which he was the similar, very similar, one of the first steak dinners he’s ever been to. You lived in the middle of nowhere, yada yada, yada. Took his wife out and he says she pulled out her pocket knife and opened it up to cut her steak instead of using steak knife. He’s like, I knew then. Yeah. She was my wife. Yeah, exactly. You know what I mean? I mean, I could picture saying

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Like, too, I found out she could, a flesh of hide. She could skin a a like, come on

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With my grandpa. I mean, that was the thrill of when you’re little, you know, you gotta do all of that. You gotta skin it, you gotta flesh it, you gotta stretch it on a thing. The beaver hides the weasels, all of that stuff. Go check traps. Yeah. We did all of that.

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I was probably really thinking in the back of my mind this, I wanna have to hire an extra guide. That’s it. Because she’s really never been paid. I’ve got

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Friends, I’ve got friends that do, you know, use their wives as cook camp cooks and all this and Yep. That’s like, and Jen’s, that’s abuse. That’s, that’s, that’s, people normally say abusing the labor

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Outfit, wife outfit. Her wife is the cook. Right. She doesn’t do no guide getting

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Oh, she’s guiding

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Kind of like the preacher’s wife plays a piano. Yeah. The typical stereotype. The stereotype.

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Oh, it dries me banana. Because they’ll come up and they’ll talk to you, oh, I wanna talk to the outfitter. So they’ll start talking to him and they kind of disregard you a little. It’s getting better over the years. You’re

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Like, Hey, by the way, I own more than half of this.

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Oh, exactly. I own 75%. Truth be no, you do not. Well

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Do not. This is our little joke. Half of mine,

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Let’s get into this.

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This keeps ’em behaved.

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She owns 50% of the corporation and then 50% of mine if something goes wrong. Right.

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Oh, that’s a good point.

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We’re just kidding. We’re just

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You’re not.

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She’s stuck with me for life Anyway, so it doesn’t matter.

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This year’s, 29 years being married and we’ve known each other for just 30 years. I guess we’re aging ourselves. Wait,

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We have a boy that’s turning 29.

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You got married at 16. Yeah.

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What I left home, things weren’t as great at home as they should have been. Okay. Kind of jumped through some hoops. Probably didn’t get

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So the four-wheeler was the family vehicle, first

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Probably did stuff not the way it’s supposed to, but you know, you look back and I think it was God’s plan on everything. Yeah. I mean, maybe a little bit then we didn’t recognize it as much. Yeah. But sure. Now we look back and it was like, yeah. We were, you know, there’s people destined to be together. Yeah. And, but even even saying that us being together for 29 years, it’s not been all magic and easy. I mean, there’s been lots of ups and downs. You guys don’t fire money. Money problems.

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You guys don’t face

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Work actually,

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Every day. It’s work.

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It is. Yep. All I see, all I see, all I see is what social media showed me. Yeah. And that is phenomenal. Yeah. We

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Look good on there. Actually. We, we

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Think about it though, in all reality, in 29 years, we really haven’t really had any, well, one or two

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Real good ones. We

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Built a house together and people are like, you’re gonna build a house together. You get a divorce, you guys gonna be the general contractors. You guys are gonna get divorced through that. People argue with building

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Programs. We communicate and we, his grandpa was used to tell him, his preparer said, you never go to bed at night. Angry at each other. Yeah. You solve, you talk about it. You, you pray about it. Yes. And you resolve it. Even if you’re still upset about it. Yep. You, you gotta get over it that night. ’cause once you carry it over to the next morning, it just builds and builds and builds and builds. Yeah. Yep. And we always kind of do the principle of we forgive each other pretty quick. Yeah. I don’t forget sometimes as quick as him,

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You know, that’s the key to success in a marriage really. It’s, it’s like there’s that 24 hour period of grace where you, you forgive each other and you don’t go to bed angry. Yeah. Don’t carry it over. Yeah. Because then it’s overnight and

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It’s be done with it.

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And then of course then you get, get more thoughts and all these other things. And

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About, what else? Our age. You get to our age and you’re not gonna change each other. You just gotta learn how to work around each other.

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It’s all about what you focus on too. Like, like, man, I’ll tell you what, the last few years I just, I’m walking around. I’m just checking her out all the time. Still after this long. And I’m like, Jen, you’re so hot. I love you. Actually, a couple weeks ago we were hunting and I’m like, you know what, we’re sitting in a little cabin in Illinois. And I’m like, I’m just happy being with you. I used to love being, like having lots of people around. Yeah. And I love people. Yeah. But now I’m like, I’m just happy being with you. Yeah.

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Nice is that it just took him a few more years to realize that than me. So she,

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She always got cheer her eye when I told her that. She’s like, oh, really?

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You’ve never seen her cry before? Yeah.

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She’s hard. I, she’s tough. She’s tough.

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Unless it comes to my kids. Yep. And babies and stuff. Yeah. But other than that, I’m pretty, I can pretty tough. I’ve, I’ve, the way I grew up, I had to be pretty tough. I mean,

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Okay, so let’s set the stage. Baby. 15, 16 years old, got the four wheelers, a family car. Yeah. Yep. Going out to the trapping cabin to live. How, what, what now how are you gonna provide for your family? What are you doing? So what’s school like up there?

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What it was is, I mean,

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What do you do? You guys have normal high school. Like Yeah. What’s it?

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Oh yeah, yeah. Home life. Little

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Tiny school. But she, yeah.

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He was doing, so how I end up leaving home, it’s kind of corny and it’s not the greatest story, but life is life. So home life for me wasn’t as great. I mean, you look back now and you can’t expect your parents to teach you something that they haven’t done. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, my mom was really abused and, you know, all that, all that doubt. So physical abuse and stuff like that, it wasn’t horrendous. I mean, mine’s peanuts compared to a lot of people and friends I’ve talked to. Sure, sure. But still, when you’re in that world’s all, you know. Right. Yeah. That’s it. And if you, if you don’t know any way to deal with it, well you just get out. So anyways, I left home at 16. It’s totally legal. You can be on your own. I left home. So we started, we,

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He was, I was a fly tire at the time. Yeah. I was a fishing tackle manufacturer. Really? So I started tying trout flies when I was 12 years old. Dad bought me a fly tying kit. I started tying flies by the time I was like 14, I was tying 14,000 trout flies a year. Geez. There’s very little money in it. Back then, the fly was like a dry fly. Wet fly was 50 cents. Yeah. And a nice pattern, like a streamer or a nymph was 85 cents a piece. Yeah.

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Do you remember how long it, like how long does it take to fly? Oh, it was to tie one. I have

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No idea. Five minutes a fly.

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He was fast. Okay. He was good at, it’s

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Pretty quick. Do you have certain patterns you like or do I mean, you knew this is, so

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Back then, I used to go to a sportsman show like this. I’d get a booth, me and a couple of guys that tide flies and we’d sit there and tie flies and sell ’em at the show. Wow.

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And that’s how we started. And then

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I’ve been sitting at trade shows for a long time under fluorescent lights. You’d be bugged diet after like five days of tying little flies.

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And then after, when you’re about in 1920, I guess we moved into like to Edmonton. ’cause I was in rural. Yeah. And when we moved there, we started getting into more tackle manufacturing. So we’d start making our own bell weights and fishing tackle, like all of the lead jig heads, all that stuff. And really expanded. And we always had moose, birch bark, moose calls that we’ve made.

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Lead’s. Not good. You guys probably inhaled a lot of

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Lead. I did. I did.

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Ate it. That explains it all.

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I remember when I was a kid, I’d put a whole, my whole cheek was full of lead pellets. Yep.

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My dad did too. For shooting the birds.

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I know. And I’m like, what?

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That explains it for you.

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Not true. I know. As they say, the monsters aren’t good for you. That is not true. They’re fine. Right.

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They’re fine. I, I, I know. I, I say it’s my vitamin supplement. It helps my hair, nails. This is

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Not being filmed, so you’re just getting a voice. But we’re sitting here with each a monster energy. And, and Jason’s got a rockstar. I know.

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Hes white monsters. It’s, it’s a white rockstar. ’cause where I was wasn’t selling ’em. I’ve never actually had a white

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Rockstar. And these American monsters are so weak, it does like nothing for us. So at home, the vitamin B 12 is like 680%. Oh my god. These ones are a hundred percent. So you

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Can drink three of these to, so I like, well,

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Look at the first ingredient is carbonated water. Yeah. Yeah. Makes me feel good. Yeah. Yeah. Drinking my

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Water. Actually Jen’s nails and hair grows better now since she drinks these.

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Oh my gosh.

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The vitamin Bs.

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Yeah. So we could say it’s healthy.

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It’s healthy.

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All right. That’s our story. We’re sticking to it. So we’re going back to lead, lead pellets in our cheeks. You guys are dealing with lead jig heads by the thousands. Yeah. Alright.

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Yeah. So the fishing tackle and the, the hunting product manufacturing is what kept us busy outside of the guiding season. Yeah. We’d guide spring and fall all winter. We’d produce all our fishing tackle. Yeah. So we’d make tackle from January till April and then we’d hit the road and we’d sell it all over the

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Country. So you’d have multiple things because guiding at that time was just, it wasn’t enough to supply for the family. Yeah. At the beginning. For the whole time. Yeah. Yeah. So you had to divide. So we’d have the fishing tackle season. We’d do live bait for a while. We did all of our hunting products. So like a homemade birchbark moose call, which is tradition from his family. So he’s been doing it for 40, I’m gonna date you 35 years. Wow. Yeah. Because his, his dad did it and his prepare did it. He has a bit of French in his background. Oh, okay. Yeah. So from our

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Birchbark moose call even sells at Cabelas in Canada. Come

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On Right now to this

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Day. Yeah. It’s all handmade. And now our girls,

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Our daughter

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Juhan makes our daughter

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Julia now the moose call maker. Yeah.

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On. It used to be all us. That’s

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Like me. The child labor. Yeah. It’s, I I did that. We, we, we had a wildlife call business. It was called Garth Carter’s Wildlife Calls Incorporated. And we sold the Bass Pro and Cabela’s. And I remember as a kid, I was like eight years old, nine years old. We had pre we had to test them with AA batteries and then pre-tested labels. We got paid by the piece. Yeah. They came in boxes of 100 from Taiwan and we would get up at four in the morning. We got paid by the pieces. The more you worked, the more money you made. Yeah. We wanted guests and Jbo and Birkenstocks and whatever else was popular at the time.

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That’s how we paid the kids. Yeah.

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And so, and I wish we had something like that for my kids. You know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, I’m gonna be some You really learned

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The value of money when it’s piece work. That’s right.

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Yeah. That’s right. Well that realized that everything is like there’s Yeah. There’s value to it and a work ethic. Yeah. Yes. They’re my oldest daughter. Like we had a, we did live bait for quite a few years too. So the, you know, the night crawlers and stuff. Yeah.

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Yeah. Oh yeah. So she’d hire ’em after school and she’d be, you know, ’cause we had basketball and volleyball and youth group and all these different things and it was busy. But she wanted to do it. And we’re like, okay, we’re gonna hire you at this time. ’cause the money we’re making did, we started her at 10 cents a pack and then it moved up to 25 cents a pack. Yeah.

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25 cents. She was making, she was like, at 20 bucks an hour and she’s going

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To school. Well we didn’t get that luxury. My mom and dad were like, let’s do it as fast as we can do it. Times it by two. Yeah. Because they’re kids and go from there and No, and we still make, well I mean we, and that’s not really true. They treat us very fair, but we made good money. Yeah. As kids.

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Well she was like, okay, so if I do this at 10 cents a pack, da da. And I mean instant. She’s a brainiac. So it’d be like d d okay, this is the shopping, this is the shoes I need, this is this, this, this, this. Yeah. So she worked, all of her kids, she

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Just worked. She never equaled that that work to money. She equaled it to a new pair of jeans or a new church. Something. That’s

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What you do as kids. Yep. Yep.

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And for us it’s what A new bow or a new

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It’s food,

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Rent, the electricity bill, it’s kids,

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It’s vacations down in, you know, Utah, Texas, wherever you know Lee is. So,

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But I think with all the kids, even like a little skip of a rabbit here again, the working, the peace working and all that stuff and helping us. And they helped me bake and you know, to get prepped for camp and all that. But doing all of those things between chores and that, it really gave them an idea of, okay, this is life. This is, you know, I need to work because there’s too, not all, but I’ve seen quite a few families with kids that they don’t have to do anything. Sure. Mom, get me a sandwich. Right. You’re 16, you can make your own set. Mom do this. Mom do that. Mom do this. Bring me a glass of water. And I’m like, Hey, you know what, as these kids get older, I mean I blessed the heck out of my kids and I did probably way too much for them. Yeah. I probably did. But anyways. But they all knew they all had their chores. Yeah. And they knew they had to, they all had responsibility. So I think mentally it helped them grow. Helped them know that they needed to do things. Needed to know that, you know,

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It’s so healthy. Oh yeah. And I, and I feel bad. I even spoil my kids too much. You know, I’m applying ’em for tags and Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Did too. And my dad was like, yeah, I’ll apply you, but son, how you gonna pay for that? I don’t know, dad. But more than trap calls, let’s test them and freak I’ll get up at four in the morning. Do more piece work. Oh yeah. I mean, you know, but anyway, you want the best for your kids. Oh yeah. And I think that’s hard in our day and age. Yeah. Life’s better for us too. Right? Yeah. Life’s better for everyone right now. Oh yeah. It’s amazing what we’re blessed with. Oh yeah. And what we can do compared to what we everybody Oh yeah. Everybody in life. So I look

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Back at Jenna up when we had to package night crawlers and we, we had a walk-in cooler that would have like a hundred thousand worms in there at a time. Wow. And so every Friday we’d make deliveries and drop off the fishing stores in our area. Remember one store would order at least 300 dozen every Friday. Yeah. So Jenna had to get all that ready the day before. Oh my gosh. And she hated like the wiggly crawly things that would move. So she’d put on latex glove and she’d be, go to work,

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Put dozen,

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She’d put on her music and just do, do do. And she’d give her and she’d do it. Go work. Yeah.

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So we’re tying flies now. How does that go to where you’re at today?

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So we realized timeing flies doesn’t pay the bills. It doesn’t make enough money. So we started pouring, making fish and tackle, making fish lead stuff. We started pouring lead jig heads and bucktail

00:27:02:25 –> 00:27:03:04

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Oh really? Heating it up and pulling. Oh yeah.

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Everything. That’s this. So bucktail jigs, so a bucktail jig is a, a jig head that’s painted. Okay. And you’ll have, you’ll use a whitetailed deer tail. Okay. And you can dye them all different colors and you’ll tie hair on the back of that jig. And it’s made for catching walleye pike, all kinds of different fish. So we would tie like thousands and thousands of those. So I got fed up of buying a deer tail at a fly shop that was worth like So you

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Gotta kill more deer.

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No, no.

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I couldn’t

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Kill it enough. Okay.

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Deer tail at the fly shop was like four or five bucks for a white one. And then the dyed ones were like seven, eight bucks a piece for like fluorescent greens.

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We’re talking early nineties here. So we’re way back.

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That’s when I was in high school. Yeah.

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I got smart. I found out that the Tanneries Alberta had a, a program where the fish and game clubs would collect hides from all the hunters that are part of the the club.

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Okay, there you go.

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They would get ’em to the tanneries. Tanneries would pay the club like five bucks a hide. So it raised money for the clubs. It was great. Yeah. So now they ended up

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Throw away the tails, all

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These hides, thousands of hides had a tail on ’em and they’re gonna go in the garbage. Oh my gosh. So I got ahold of the tanneries and like, yeah, we’ll sell you the tails

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We sell, we’ll throw

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’em away. So I ended, I was paying like,

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Yeah kid, we’re gonna teach you what life is.

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Anywhere from 25 cents to 75 cents a tail. They

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Were banking

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And I’d buy like a thousand of ’em and I would dye them all myself. I learned to die. All the colors. Yep. Oh yeah. You’d boil the tails and hot water. And our life

00:28:15:25 –> 00:28:15:29

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All these, the walls out of ’em at vinegar. And these

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Like tie-dyed T-shirts. Oh yeah.

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Our life has been part of a science project.

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I remember one time one of the big tanneries that had several hundred tails waiting for me and they said, you gotta come pick ’em up Monday. So I’m like, okay, I’ll be there Monday. And it’s like, if you’re not there Monday we’re gonna throw ’em in the dumpster. I’m like, yeah, but

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I’m paying you for him. If

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You throw ’em in the dumpster, I can pick ’em up for free outta there. Oh, did you do

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That? No. No. Why not? That was a bad decision. Businesswise on their part. Oh. So,

00:28:43:28 –> 00:28:49:11
So we started pouring out up until 2009. We were making like half a million pieces to tackle a year. What?

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That’s what you did until oh nine. I could produce. You weren’t buck guiding bear hunting. Oh, oh

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Yeah. All of it. Spring, fall, all of it.

00:28:54:12 –> 00:29:12:01
That was all winter months. And then so we try to make enough through the winter to keep going for the whole summer with tackle. But it never was enough. There’d always be orders in the summer. And then in the summer it’s like 90 degrees outside. Yeah. And you gotta pour lead. You got lead furnace cooking and you’re, you’re at a hundred something degrees now you’re cooking. Wow. Not so that sucked in

00:29:12:01 –> 00:29:17:01
The summer. But it’s, it’s so the whole different seasons of the year we do different things. So guiding seasons. So spring and fall was always guiding.

00:29:17:07 –> 00:29:22:20
So you guided even in the early nineties, we’re going back. Yes. When did you take your first client? Like how did you decide? We’re gonna, soon as

00:29:22:23 –> 00:29:26:01
I was old, soon as I was old enough to have a guide’s license, which is so you gotta be 18 to guide us. So

00:29:26:15 –> 00:29:27:24
About the time you get married. Yeah.

00:29:27:29 –> 00:29:30:17
So he actually guided further outfitters when he got his start. Yeah.

00:29:30:17 –> 00:29:32:22
Started off working for other guys at first, you know, and

00:29:33:11 –> 00:29:34:04
Learning the rope and

00:29:34:08 –> 00:29:35:23
Yep. Bear moose. Bear

00:29:35:23 –> 00:29:36:25
Moose, bear moose, white tail

00:29:37:06 –> 00:29:43:24
Waterfowl, everything. Yeah, everything. Jump right in. And I grew up in it. Dad part of Canada. Dad. My dad had been an in Ontario when I was a kid. Alberta

00:29:43:25 –> 00:29:45:14
Out like Northern Southern. Where were you?

00:29:45:20 –> 00:29:49:18
Well when he first did, he did a lot southern Alberta and some north, depending on what he was doing. ’cause

00:29:49:18 –> 00:29:51:29
I’ve hunted out of high level clear a long time ago.

00:29:51:29 –> 00:29:53:06
Yeah. That’s way up. That’s not as

00:29:53:06 –> 00:29:54:24
Far as we are. I was, we were doing

00:29:54:28 –> 00:30:02:07
And people think the further you go, the bigger the bears are gonna be. And it’s not true. It’s, it’s the opposite. The, the availability of food is what’s gonna decide how big bear. It’s determine

00:30:02:08 –> 00:30:02:17
The size

00:30:02:17 –> 00:30:09:00
Of the bear. You know, like a coastal bear where they’re eating salmon all the time and eating a lot of protein. They get bigger and it’s almost like a subspecies. Yeah, same thing with the bears.

00:30:09:00 –> 00:30:12:04
Yeah. Okay. Wow. Okay. So you’re guiding. So spring

00:30:12:04 –> 00:30:29:11
And fall guiding summer we did a lot of fishing, tackle, live bait, all that stuff. And then we also have another business that we were doing and we’re actually just revamping everything right now. So all of our line hunting products. So the moose call, the handcrafted moose call. We also did like hunting sense, cover sense lures, all that different stuff. We have all that of our lines.

00:30:29:11 –> 00:30:29:29
There’s lot of thing we do. People

00:30:30:00 –> 00:30:31:02
Dunno. We do. Yeah. Oh yeah. We’re still doing.

00:30:31:02 –> 00:30:31:25
Still doing it. Yeah. Right now

00:30:31:27 –> 00:30:34:18
How many employees you got? Well it depends on how many kids we got. Well

00:30:34:18 –> 00:30:50:12
Julia, Julia and Jordan work full-time for us. Yeah. So we have two full-time at home, so. Wow. It’s nice. And then the other ones, Jen and, and Jonathan, they take their holidays when it’s our busy time. Like spring bear, when we have a week, say your buddies and our buddies are there hunting with Cam and that all the

00:30:50:19 –> 00:30:51:01
UA guys, we got

00:30:51:01 –> 00:31:02:18
Eight people in camp. The kids will make sure that’s their holiday and they’ll be there for that week. So the last three years, like three years ago was my most fun spring I’ve ever had in the 30 years because all the kids were there with us working. Yeah.

00:31:02:25 –> 00:31:05:28
And they take their vacations. Yep. And donate it to that week. Yeah.

00:31:06:17 –> 00:31:08:08
They actually donate it. ’cause I haven’t paid them,

00:31:09:23 –> 00:31:10:14
But they wanna be

00:31:10:14 –> 00:31:11:08
There. That’s how you make a higher profit.

00:31:11:20 –> 00:31:15:18
So Jenna’s Jenna’s work is seven days on, seven days off. She works 12 hour shifts

00:31:15:23 –> 00:31:18:04
With, for the company? For the family business? No, this

00:31:18:04 –> 00:31:19:05
For for her own thing is for her

00:31:19:08 –> 00:31:20:18
Own thing that that she works at plan. So she’s

00:31:20:18 –> 00:31:29:21
Great job. She makes a pile of money. I think she makes more money than me. Really? Yeah. Yeah. So then on her weeks off, so every week she’s got seven days off. Seven. Wow. So she works seven days, then she’s off seven, then she works seven nights.

00:31:29:25 –> 00:31:34:11
And so then when she works her seven days off, when she has her is her seven days off. She coming to work for you?

00:31:34:12 –> 00:31:34:29
She wants to come dating

00:31:34:29 –> 00:31:36:08
And everything. She wants to be with us. Yep. Yeah.

00:31:36:15 –> 00:31:38:09
Wow. Yeah, so that’s is she married that?

00:31:38:22 –> 00:31:40:17
She’s got a boyfriend right now. He better

00:31:40:17 –> 00:31:42:21
Lock that one down because she’s a workaholic. I think

00:31:42:21 –> 00:31:42:28
He better,

00:31:45:05 –> 00:31:48:00
Well we could dive into that. Accused

00:31:48:01 –> 00:31:59:06
Him the other day of, ’cause he came with me and he shot his whitetail dough and his whitetailed buck one morning. And I accused him of, do you really wanna be with Jenna or do you actually wanna be hunting with me? Like yeah there ulterior motives to this.

00:31:59:09 –> 00:32:00:09
That’s some funny stuff.

00:32:01:05 –> 00:32:05:14
But yeah, so we always had stuff to keep us busy because you always had to make money. Yeah. And I mean you had four, it

00:32:05:14 –> 00:32:08:11
Goes back to eating. You had four kids. It goes back to it’s just eating. It’s providing.

00:32:08:14 –> 00:32:10:00
And those beginning days there, it was like,

00:32:10:14 –> 00:32:11:27
What are you gonna do to make you gonna do,

00:32:12:02 –> 00:32:16:15
You made a bunch of tackle, you loaded up the car and you hit the road and you went from town to town and sold

00:32:16:23 –> 00:32:18:28
In Canada stores. Where did you come into the States? Canada.

00:32:18:28 –> 00:32:19:24
It was just all in Canada. Yeah.

00:32:19:24 –> 00:32:20:17
Mostly restaurant. Canada.

00:32:20:22 –> 00:32:21:06

00:32:21:12 –> 00:32:25:10
So, and then you’d take that money, you’d get home and you’d buy some diapers and you’d buy some milk and you’d buy some pay

00:32:25:10 –> 00:32:25:27
Bills, deer

00:32:25:27 –> 00:32:26:06

00:32:26:06 –> 00:32:35:23
You’d buy a case of macaroni and cheese. Like you, you didn’t have the best of stuff that a pack of bologna. Like Yeah, we put five bucks of fuel in the truck. I remember lots of time fueling up and it was five bucks rolling

00:32:35:23 –> 00:32:39:20
Into the gas station and not really, it’s Are you gonna get into the gas station? Like, like it was, you

00:32:39:20 –> 00:32:42:25
Could see through the floorboards. Yeah. It’s crazy if it rain water would come in crazy. I

00:32:43:00 –> 00:32:50:07
Remember when I was a kid, gas was like 25 cents a gallon. I don’t know what it was for you guys or even the Canadian US exchange rate or whatever. But it’s

00:32:50:19 –> 00:33:04:00
Five bucks you could actually put in like we had a Chevy pickup back then. You could put it in there and you could actually go for quite a while on five bucks. Now when my new diesel, it’s like five bucks it goes, huh? What is five bucks? There’s nothing. It’s like two drops in the, in the tank.

00:33:04:08 –> 00:33:10:04
It’s expensive. In Canada, we pay five, six bucks a gallon for fuel. You guys are so lucky. Don’t complain. Yeah. And we make it there.

00:33:10:25 –> 00:33:12:16
That’s a good point. Yeah. Isn’t that crazy?

00:33:13:08 –> 00:33:23:00
Tax even. Even just traveling and stuff, seeing how, I mean to most people they don’t, it doesn’t fizz them, but you look at the food prices and all the different things that you’re doing, it’s like, yeah, a lot of stuff up there is more expensive.

00:33:23:16 –> 00:33:29:26
Crazy. And so how does that get us to where we’re at today? 2009, we, I think we ended at 2009. 2009. Family

00:33:30:00 –> 00:33:34:22
Business. We decided to, I figured I poured so much lead, like tons and tons and tons of lead. Sometimes

00:33:35:05 –> 00:33:36:24
Probably shouldn’t be eating lead probably shouldn’t be doing.

00:33:37:11 –> 00:33:41:00
But I actually, I got my blood tested and everything and, and I had nothing in me.

00:33:41:19 –> 00:34:03:16
So, well, we’ll, we’ll rewind a little back a little bit. Back in the mid nineties we, he had worked for quite a few fitters for quite a while and made okay money and stuff. But it would be like my kids, one example is he came back from guiding after three months. Jenna was just little and she loved her daddy. When he came back she was like, ’cause he’s like, oh Jenna, hi. Yeah. And she ran behind me and she started crying. Mommy, mommy. Because she didn’t recognize him. It had been three months. Oh

00:34:03:16 –> 00:34:03:26
No way.

00:34:03:26 –> 00:34:06:19
Yeah, I worked for somebody else. You had to be going after 2, 2, 3

00:34:06:19 –> 00:34:07:24
Months at a time. So I was make enough money.

00:34:08:01 –> 00:34:09:14
’cause you’re making wages, you know, we

00:34:09:14 –> 00:34:12:10
Can’t do this anymore. So in the mid nineties, middle of the

00:34:12:10 –> 00:34:13:25
Outfitter life is way better than the guide life.

00:34:15:29 –> 00:34:16:25
I believe it. Honest.

00:34:17:06 –> 00:34:19:20
A lot of money for a lot of people for a lot of years. At the beginning. Yeah.

00:34:20:06 –> 00:34:30:25
I think it was in 95 or 96, we went on our own. We started our own outfitting and started doing it, you know, still working with other people that were helping us out, but all on our own. So then we got our own clients and we started doing everything that way. And

00:34:31:09 –> 00:34:36:14
It’s nice now it’s, it’s mostly repeat clients. So every year there’s the same people coming back. That’s crazy. They’re bringing new people with them and bringing friends

00:34:36:24 –> 00:34:47:06
With them. You’re talking about. Yes. And you’re talking about doing shows and stuff. It feels like social media has changed that for you guys. Social media, that’s a whole of world now. Yeah. Is how you’re getting your clients or like me, I feel comfortable with

00:34:47:06 –> 00:34:51:00
You. Everybody’s gonna know about you and if you’re bad, they’ll all about you too. So you better be doing a good job.

00:34:51:10 –> 00:34:52:13
Wow. Yeah. Isn’t that crazy?

00:34:52:15 –> 00:35:36:19
Yeah. So that goes to another whole side of everything that I look at. It’s like, okay, so let’s talk social media for a minute and let’s talk how the hunting industry is on. Yeah. You know, everybody, like, everybody wants to be famous. Everybody wants to have their TV show. Everybody wants to be a superstar. Everybody wants to do all these things. And for us, we have people that even wanna hunt with us or even wanna come work with us. And I’m like, we always have this conversation. I says, for me, for people I wanna be around or I wanna be associated with or we work with, it’s like we wanna know who’s behind it. We know, you know, a bit of their story. Wanna know who they are as human beings. And just because you say, oh here, I want you to use this and it’s a great deal and I’m gonna give you money to use. It doesn’t necessarily, I’m gonna mean that we’re gonna use it because if we don’t agree or we don’t feel right about it, it’d be like, thank you very much. We’re very flattered, but you know, we’ll pass. Yeah. Yeah. And then there’s companies that we do work with that it’s just like, it’s it’s you’re

00:35:36:19 –> 00:35:37:28
Talking sponsorship wise. Yeah.

00:35:37:28 –> 00:35:41:05
We have people offer us stuff all the time, you know, ’cause Sure. We’re in this business and Sure.

00:35:42:04 –> 00:35:43:06
Or even clients coming,

00:35:43:06 –> 00:35:45:11
I wanna accept product on, unless I like the company first of all. Yeah.

00:35:45:15 –> 00:35:45:26
The product’s

00:35:45:26 –> 00:35:49:14
Gotta gotta be really good. But, and the people, unless I like the people behind the company, I don’t wanna be involved with

00:35:49:14 –> 00:35:59:01
That. Well, and when they get the rivets, they’re gonna get the Traeger grill. They’re gonna get, you know, cookouts. They’re gonna, you know, sleeping at each other’s places and and really involved. You guys are very involved with company

00:35:59:01 –> 00:36:01:13
Work. Yeah. It’s hard for us to separate like business and from

00:36:01:19 –> 00:36:03:12
And pleasure families. Yeah. Same.

00:36:03:16 –> 00:36:30:23
All wrapped up with all the, and everything that we had all this last 20 some years. It, it’s very hard for me because it’s, it’s very family orientated. So when you come in, it’s like, I’m bringing you as a guest into my home and I’m gonna treat you like a guest. Like I wanna cook for you, I wanna make you happy. Yeah. Like, I wanna make sure everything’s good. And then you build that relationship. Yeah. So after a little while it, it is hard for me to separate the, okay, this is a business, this is a client. Yes. Know this is a friend. Yes. Because if all of our friends were like, why don’t you just give me a hunt? Like everybody tells us that. So if all

00:36:30:23 –> 00:36:34:02
Our clients are our friends and we gave free to them, we wouldn’t make any money. So we’d

00:36:34:24 –> 00:36:35:24
Come to the state, this is how we

00:36:35:24 –> 00:36:36:04
Make a living.

00:36:36:21 –> 00:36:56:13
It’d be like, we’d be like this, we need help. But Yeah. But I mean with the whole, what I was getting at with that is it’s, it’s, I have a little thing that I tell a lot of people and it’s kind of corny, but I think it’s, it is when you look at people when you wanna get involved with or do business with, or even sponsored whatever. Yeah. You’re gonna promote them. Do they have consistency of character? Yeah. Who, who are they? How do you know that? Where

00:36:56:13 –> 00:36:57:29
Do they come from? How do you know that Jim? Well,

00:36:58:05 –> 00:37:00:08
With social media it’s like everybody look.

00:37:00:08 –> 00:37:05:16
So you can scroll 400 posts down and you’re starting to see who they, at some point the true colors are gonna come out. I, what are you saying?

00:37:05:16 –> 00:37:14:08
You know where the true colors really come out. You spend a week in the bush with something. Oh yeah. You know that as a guided up putter. Yeah. You can only fake it so long in the bush. You can’t fake it anymore. That’s

00:37:14:08 –> 00:37:14:20
Right. Part of

00:37:14:20 –> 00:37:16:22
My with no sales service. Yes. Could you imagine

00:37:17:05 –> 00:37:30:20
I should have been a private investigator part of it. ’cause I love to research and I love to dig. Like I am really, he’ll say, Jen, what do even family history and background and stuff, it’ll be like four in morning. He is like, what are you doing? I’m like, I can’t help it. I’m reading this and it’s going to ve here and do and then like I get caught up in it. So

00:37:30:20 –> 00:37:46:20
Here’s a little secret. You know how people, when they’re gonna book a hunt with an outfitter, they check out the outfitter, they do the research, you’re checking out clients, they references. We do that to the client. Oh my God. And it’s not, some of them get, I had a couple of them get mad, why are you asking me questions? I’m supposed to ask you the questions. And I’m like, you my book. You’re coming into our family, you’re coming into our home.

00:37:47:14 –> 00:37:49:19
This is an equal spend opportunity client. I’m a week with you.

00:37:50:07 –> 00:37:53:23
If I’m gonna spend a week now that I’m getting older, yeah. I realize you gotta make every day count.

00:37:53:24 –> 00:38:12:26
Okay. Okay. We have our kids there and yes, now they’re older. Like they’re, like I said, they’re all in their twenties. 21 to 27 right now, but they’re still my kids and I’m there and I have other clients there. My business, our reputation, what we stand for. So we’ve had very, very few incidents over the years, but we’ve had a couple little things come up where after, like we had one client message our daughters, and I was like, whoa, whoa,

00:38:12:27 –> 00:38:13:28
Whoa, whoa. This ain’t gonna

00:38:13:28 –> 00:38:30:29
Work. No, no, no, no. Yeah, exactly. So it’s like when we say, Hey, we wanna know who you are. So the consistency of character part, even like even in the industry, I see so many young people and they come up to us, oh, how do you get into the industry? What’s the secret? And we’re like, to me it’s, it’s a, what’s the word? It’s a non-con for me. I said, I don’t get it. Because for me it’s, oh, I wanna be in the industry. It’s like, this is who I am. Well,

00:38:30:29 –> 00:38:32:20
You guys didn’t say, I want to be a social media.

00:38:32:28 –> 00:38:33:18
No, this is who we are.

00:38:33:26 –> 00:38:37:28
Tycoon or whatever. You know, it’s not like you start with that. You’re like, no, we’re just guiding. We’re just doing what

00:38:38:01 –> 00:38:41:19
We do. Like what’s the key? Yeah. Yeah. It’s what’s the secret to get into the industry and get famous? And I’m like, if people

00:38:41:19 –> 00:38:43:10
Ask us that all the time, they walk up John

00:38:43:10 –> 00:38:44:11
And Jen and I don’t get it. Tell

00:38:44:11 –> 00:38:46:10
Us, what’s the secret to breaking into the hunting industry. Yeah.

00:38:46:10 –> 00:38:48:06
And we’re like, what you mean breaking, do you mean? Yeah, but

00:38:48:10 –> 00:38:51:08
You wanna be famous, you mean, is that what you’re saying? How do I get famous without working hard?

00:38:51:29 –> 00:38:54:22
I No, that’s the American way. Yeah.

00:38:56:13 –> 00:39:40:17
And for us it’s like, I’m sorry. And for us, it’s like, for me, at first, it caught me off guard. ’cause I’m like, I don’t get being in the industry. Yeah. Like, I mean, this is our job. This is our life. It’s, and people are like, oh, you just guide. I’m like, no. It’s how we feed our family. Yeah. Like literally the guiding money. Yes. But also all the animals like, ’cause most of the time we’re not hunting. So if the client don’t take everything home, I mean, that’s what we’re feeding. Like I said on a post the other day, it’s like, that’s how I feed my family. My, my extended family, like my mom and stuff. We supply her. Yeah. My dad’s gone, so, and she loves it. So we’ll bring her moose, deer, whatever. Yeah. Neighbors. We help out neighbors all the time. We help out. I mean, everybody. I, I don’t wanna sound like the, oh, I’m chiming my own. I horn here. No I don’t. Yeah. But I mean, it’s like in Vegas, when we go down there, they are shortage of meat. We’ll gather up a whole bunch and we’ll bring a hundred pounds of meat. We’ll go do dinners. We donate, like, we’re

00:39:40:17 –> 00:39:42:13
Gonna go to Texas, we’re gonna lay down a hundred hours.

00:39:42:29 –> 00:39:43:00

00:39:43:29 –> 00:39:45:17
And we’re gonna divvy ’em out. But

00:39:45:17 –> 00:39:57:01
I mean, that’s the misconception of, oh, I wanna be famous and oh, I wanna get into the industry. And I’m like, maybe that’s your, your ideal of the industry. For me, it’s, it’s the hardcore Yeah. Or the, the grassroot of it. It’s like, what You’re, well, and I

00:39:57:01 –> 00:39:58:19
Don’t wanna be famous. It’s like, it would be nice.

00:39:58:22 –> 00:40:02:00
You don’t want, but don’t want, when you do get a little bit of fame and you know,

00:40:02:07 –> 00:40:02:23
Or attention

00:40:02:23 –> 00:40:10:16
Promoting you and raising you up, and then it’s for a reason. Yeah. It’s not just for your own thing, it’s with you. You’re promoting the industry, you’re promoting hunting and good things,

00:40:10:20 –> 00:40:16:01
But, but family and having fun. That’s it. And conservation and passing on traditions and all that’s what do

00:40:16:01 –> 00:40:18:11
You do with that fame after? Yeah. Are you gonna do good with it? Yeah.

00:40:18:11 –> 00:40:18:19

00:40:18:23 –> 00:40:21:17
Or is it just about an ego trip? And I’m like, for us it’s like, well,

00:40:21:18 –> 00:40:55:08
I would like to just hunt and kill big stuff and not show anybody. You know? Not because, not because I don’t wanna share it, but I just, I don’t know. I get to where, if you look at my social media, I, I don’t post a lot right now. I’m kind of like having aversion to it because I see so much of it. Yeah. That’s, you know, and so it’s actually, I see the social media thing kind of backing off a little bit. Like Yeah. And you get the guys that quote wanna be famous, I guess. But anyway, cranking harder and harder and harder to get to that point. Yeah. And, and, and I’m like, you know, I don’t, I just kind of, I wanna withdraw a little bit, but I don’t know what it is. I hear you.

00:40:55:08 –> 00:41:07:06
Because we, we, we’ve had people come to us and it’s like, if you guys would do this on social media, you got this and, you know, promote it like this or do like this or do these type of, all this different stuff. And I look at it and I’m like, it’s not really who I am. Yeah. So it’s like, yeah, we could, you’re

00:41:07:06 –> 00:41:07:20
Not gonna change her.

00:41:08:29 –> 00:41:09:11
You, you,

00:41:09:11 –> 00:41:10:18
She’s kind of set in her way. Yeah. Yeah.

00:41:11:00 –> 00:41:28:10
I mean, you could do it and stuff, but I’m like, honestly, how I believe this is what we do for a living. This is our lifestyle. This is how we chose to be. This is, this is how we live. Like, like I said earlier, the DNA n a I joke, I’m like, take me to the doctor. Yeah. Draw it out. And they’ll look in there and like, oh wow. They’ll see in the, they’ll see like, you know, you’re a hunter gatherer. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

00:41:28:11 –> 00:41:30:01
I’m a social media person now. Yeah.

00:41:30:11 –> 00:41:30:19

00:41:30:19 –> 00:41:30:29
And that’s

00:41:30:29 –> 00:41:32:04
Fun because you’ve gotta, you’ve gotta

00:41:32:04 –> 00:41:34:05
Advertise. I love people. Yeah. I love people.

00:41:34:05 –> 00:42:04:08
So, but I mean, we could, like, even with me, I could grow and I could do all this different stuff and I’m just like, he’s like, did you, did you post your picture at your dear like that I got in Texas and he’s gorgeous. And I’m like, yeah. And then people will be like, okay. I finally posted it and they’re like, what did it score? And I’m like, I don’t know. Honestly, I don’t know. I’m guessing, you know, he’s probably gonna be high one 60 to 1 75. I mean, and John’s like, well, don’t say that. Maybe I, I know what it’s gonna score just by looking at it. I mean, I do this for a living. I have a, a guesstimate, but I didn’t go put the tape on it yet because that’s what it wasn’t to me. It was about just like, this is my first, yeah.

00:42:04:08 –> 00:42:08:19
I care about a mature animal though, harvest thing. The most mature, mature animal that you can. And he’s lived a long life already.

00:42:09:00 –> 00:42:17:04
I hunted hard. I mean, oh, I hunted hard. It was, it’s not easy as people say. And I did a good shot. We found him quick. I mean, just

00:42:17:14 –> 00:42:22:16
So she is very competitive though, talking about, you know, a bigger animal though and stuff. Definitely. Really.

00:42:22:22 –> 00:42:22:29

00:42:23:03 –> 00:42:23:23
No, not really.

00:42:24:08 –> 00:42:35:14
Well, not really. You know what she told Cam yesterday? So she told, she told Cam Hane yesterday. So we’re getting new bows on Monday. And should I say what they are? Yeah, go ahead. Because I was gonna have a contest for people to try to,

00:42:35:16 –> 00:42:39:06
They’re gonna know anyways. Okay. So ’cause of cam right? We got to keep hammering.

00:42:39:06 –> 00:42:40:06
Yeah. Gotta keep hammering bows to,

00:42:40:17 –> 00:42:41:05
To keep Cam happy.

00:42:41:10 –> 00:42:41:26
Sure. Right.

00:42:42:14 –> 00:42:48:04
And I just said, you know what, if, if we ever like, I don’t like him as much or I’ll just take white out or something. But I, I mean I love him. We love him.

00:42:48:09 –> 00:42:50:00
You guys know him very well. So she told

00:42:50:07 –> 00:42:51:28
Yesterday that, Hey Cam, guess what?

00:42:52:06 –> 00:43:07:27
No, I said, so when are you coming up to hunt with us? And we’re thinking about, I was telling him we thought about you because it’s every year. He’s he every year. So with the new bow, I says, I got something for him. And he’s like, what? I says, I think I know who’s gonna kill the first bear with the key hammering bow. And he looks at and it’s gonna be me.

00:43:08:04 –> 00:43:09:06
Could you imagine? It’s

00:43:09:06 –> 00:43:12:02
Gonna be Jen, it’s gonna be me because she’s hunting before they come up. That’s

00:43:12:02 –> 00:43:12:20

00:43:13:16 –> 00:43:19:20
I think she actually killed first Kill the first. Yeah. I think Jen killed the first bear with the carbon defiant the year it came out. Oh, okay. Yeah.

00:43:19:26 –> 00:43:20:03

00:43:20:21 –> 00:43:25:22
I mean that’s what we do. Right? So I was out there and yeah. Yeah. So I’m bugging Cam about that.

00:43:25:27 –> 00:43:36:08
She just killed the first buck with a, our, our Broadhead company is Wass Broadheads. And they came out with a new head this year. That’s a four blade head. It’s a dart. It’s a dart. Awesome. She killed the first buck.

00:43:36:28 –> 00:43:37:12

00:43:37:12 –> 00:43:38:10
White tail buck. So Broadheads.

00:43:38:14 –> 00:43:40:11
’cause you guys are hunting 24 4 7 360. Oh

00:43:40:11 –> 00:43:40:21
Yeah. Yeah.

00:43:41:17 –> 00:43:44:26
Cameron’s gonna kill a Kyle or something to beat you. I think

00:43:44:29 –> 00:43:46:26
He’s gotta kill a bear though to beat it. ’cause it’s gonna be the

00:43:46:26 –> 00:43:47:24
First, you’re your first bear.

00:43:48:02 –> 00:43:53:05
He’s already hunted. Well he can’t think he’s already killed a bucker, an elk or something with it. But it’s just, just the bear because Alright.

00:43:53:09 –> 00:43:55:15
First animal versus first species. It’s a bear.

00:43:55:15 –> 00:43:55:28
Yeah, yeah,

00:43:56:01 –> 00:43:56:10

00:43:56:10 –> 00:44:25:15
Because I’m like, Hey, I’m the, I’m supposed to be the bear lady. So I’m like, yeah, we’re doing the, we had ABO challenge over here yesterday and so it was a little thing that they had going on where they had us and a few other people shooting. And then some people in the audience would shoot and if they beat us they would win an accubot. So they’re like, what do you wanna shoot? And I’m like, well of course I wanna shoot at the bear target. Yeah. You know, so yeah. So I shot at the Bear Target and got a nice vital shot and they’re like, everybody’s like, whoa, cool. And somebody commented, well she should, that’s what she does for a living. That’s what she does.

00:44:25:15 –> 00:44:25:23
You know,

00:44:26:08 –> 00:44:28:27
I wounded mine and the guy won an Accu Bowl because he beat me.

00:44:29:13 –> 00:44:29:26

00:44:30:02 –> 00:44:34:02
You could say you did it on purpose ’cause you wanted somebody to win one. But that would kind of be, be lying. I wish I could

00:44:34:02 –> 00:44:35:19
Say that. Well, I screwed up.

00:44:36:09 –> 00:44:43:01
So let’s see. Let’s move forward to 2017 18. Still have all the family businesses? Yes. Or is it more just you guys are doing the guiding?

00:44:43:04 –> 00:45:02:01
No, we’re actually more family businesses extended a little bit. We’re revamping right now. Now a lot of our hunting products aren’t out ’cause we’re revamping packaging, labeling, you know, doing that rebranding right now. Yeah. Yeah. Because we’ve used it for years and it’s great. And we just wanna it, you need a new look. You can’t have the same look as 20 years for us anyways. Yeah. Yeah. So we’re doing that. And then this

00:45:02:01 –> 00:45:09:13
Coming year you’ll see like all of our stuff that we’ve made for 30 years and it’s a bunch of other stuff coming out too. Wow. We’ll have body wash and all the, all

00:45:09:13 –> 00:45:10:26
The different things. That’s awesome stuff.

00:45:11:03 –> 00:45:16:18
Yeah. The minerals we’ve always done with Yeah. Minerals for making, you know. Yeah. Wherever they can bait for deer with

00:45:16:23 –> 00:45:19:01
Minerals and stuff. Exactly. And then another, do you guys bait up there

00:45:19:09 –> 00:45:19:20
For Bear?

00:45:19:29 –> 00:45:20:26
For Bear? That’s it.

00:45:20:26 –> 00:45:21:13
Not for Deer Bear,

00:45:21:16 –> 00:45:22:05
No. Ungulates bare.

00:45:22:08 –> 00:46:07:05
Yeah. Okay. We can’t do for any ungulate or anything like that. And then another business that my daughter and I started last fall we’re just starting to break open. It’s called Antler Rose jewelry. Okay. So it’s all the wildlife inspired, like the little bullet earrings. Oh the antlers and you know, bear prints and all that stuff because we love it. Yeah. And we were having a hard at that time, you know, we’re like, we’re having a hard time finding it. And I mean, eventually she wants to get married, you know, and she doesn’t necessarily wanna work where she wants to work. So we’re trying to grow that too as well. So yeah. Some really cute stuff. And she’s got it out on Etsy and we’ve been, it’s been fun making it. It’s been fun seeing it. It’s fun seeing people wearing it and loving it as much as we do. So That’s awesome. Just something else, like we wanna everything outdoors, right? From the cooking and we call it the killing and the grilling. Yeah. All the way to all of that. I mean there’s niches everywhere. So that’s, that’s always been what we focused at.

00:46:07:15 –> 00:46:10:10
And so tell, let’s talk about the bears. I know you really from the bear

00:46:10:10 –> 00:46:11:29
Side. Yeah. We’re really known for bears because that’s what you’re known

00:46:11:29 –> 00:46:19:22
For bears. Yep, for sure. And that’s, so tell me about like hunting. I’m, I’m into the big stuff. Yeah. Anything, not just deer, but you know, anything that’s really intriguing and I

00:46:19:22 –> 00:46:24:23
Mean for the last 20 years we’ve done tons of moose, guiding elk, not elk. We’ve hunted elk a little bit for ourselves.

00:46:24:28 –> 00:46:25:14
We’ve breezed

00:46:25:14 –> 00:46:27:13
Over all that. But like whitetail, mule, deer, moose, wol,

00:46:27:15 –> 00:46:29:24
Big whitetail. Like the gnarly Canadians. Yeah. Big time.

00:46:29:24 –> 00:46:32:16
Yeah. Dark antler. It’s just been big Boone and Crocketts. Really?

00:46:32:16 –> 00:46:34:22
Oh yeah. You or yourself are guiding? Guiding

00:46:34:23 –> 00:46:35:01

00:46:35:11 –> 00:46:37:28
Like giant anything 200. Like one 90 at

00:46:38:11 –> 00:46:51:23
At home right now if I’m gonna hunt whitetail, if I have time to hunt whitetail, which we’re gonna make more time to do it now. Yeah. But usually I’d have a day at the end of the season when the clients are all gone. Yeah. That was it. So, but I like to get a big trophy one. A big but giant. We eat it, we live off of it. But still specific if I’m gonna shoot

00:46:51:26 –> 00:46:55:13
One myself. Do you have, do you have specific, specific bucks in mind? Not really. Are you running cameras?

00:46:56:01 –> 00:47:04:06
I like big eights. I love big eights. I just shot a big eight in Texas. So Really Jen? Jen was actually up to bat and when he walked in she goes, I know you like Big eights, take

00:47:04:10 –> 00:47:04:25
’em. You go for it.

00:47:05:09 –> 00:47:05:23
Have it.

00:47:05:28 –> 00:47:06:25
Oh yeah, that was nice.

00:47:07:02 –> 00:47:08:05
You’ll take a 12. Oh

00:47:08:05 –> 00:47:23:05
Yeah, well no, I, whatever. I seen the non-typical and I was like, well I have never shot a non-typical i’ll. So I was like, I’ll take that. And he was mature, he was really old and yeah. And, and people are like, oh it’s all about Thers. No, he tastes really, really good. We’ve had him on the Traeger.

00:47:23:14 –> 00:47:24:24
It’s not new that we eat our game.

00:47:24:27 –> 00:47:40:13
Yeah. So when people say that, it’s like, okay, you can obviously tell by our feed. It’s not just a Yeah. I mean if people like it, that’s cool And you don’t eat any meat. I think that’s totally cool. But for us, we actually live off of it. Yeah. Like when the doctors say you shouldn’t eat too much red meat. They’re not talking about the red meat. We eat the elk and the moose and the deer.

00:47:40:13 –> 00:47:41:07
They’re not talking about

00:47:41:07 –> 00:47:42:12
Meat. No, no, no. Because that’s

00:47:42:12 –> 00:47:43:04
The way Jen, when it comes to

00:47:43:04 –> 00:47:45:26
Moose, like we live off of moose meat. Moose meat is our favorite. Moose and elk.

00:47:45:27 –> 00:47:46:23
It’s awesome elk

00:47:46:23 –> 00:47:53:12
We don’t have a lot of, so it’s hard for us to get an elk up there. But we’re gonna start hunting some of your states. You’re gonna help us on. Yeah. We’ll pick, tag, apply, protect,

00:47:53:17 –> 00:47:53:25

00:47:54:04 –> 00:48:02:25
We’ll apply you guys. Moose. When we guided a lot of clients to Moose, there was some years we’d do as much as 1220 moose. So that would be our meat for us to live, feed other people. And we didn’t have,

00:48:03:08 –> 00:48:04:01
And yeah, but

00:48:04:01 –> 00:48:14:28
We, and with us as residents catch this as a resident, you gotta wait to get drawn. You gotta apply and apply and it takes five, six years to get a tag. Yeah. So it was a good thing we were guiding so we could get all that meat. ’cause the clients couldn’t take all, it was too much meat, you know?

00:48:15:03 –> 00:48:22:02
Yeah. So he didn’t have time to hunt. I didn’t have time to hunt. So these clients would get all the, you know, they get their game and they’d leave a lot of their meat. ’cause a lot of them, they

00:48:22:02 –> 00:48:23:28
Might take a quarter home and leave us three quarters because they’re

00:48:23:28 –> 00:48:24:05
All fly.

00:48:24:17 –> 00:48:24:24
I like it.

00:48:24:24 –> 00:48:31:29
Thank you. Yeah. When they, when they book a hunt and they’d say, I’m flying up, I’d be like, yes, you can come. And when they’d say We’re driving up, I’m like, crap, they’re gonna take all the meat home.

00:48:32:16 –> 00:48:42:01
And I mean, we’d work our butts off because that would be the meat we’d get. ’cause we knew we didn’t have time to hunt. So the fallacy of us hunting like crazy every year for the last 25, 30 years. No, when you’re guiding it’s, it’s, you know.

00:48:42:17 –> 00:48:46:24
So you mentioned food banks. Do you guys have f d a stuff? Like do you have stuff like, we have to,

00:48:46:28 –> 00:48:49:11
So in Alberta, a lot of it’s been set up through like

00:48:50:06 –> 00:48:51:18
Butcher shops and stuff. Like

00:48:51:23 –> 00:48:57:16
Safari Club has set up a lot of butcher shops that’ll butcher it for free. So you bring the meat there, they’ll butcher it and it goes to a food bank. So

00:48:57:16 –> 00:49:00:12
It’s like, and it’s a, it’s an approved butcher or whatever.

00:49:00:15 –> 00:49:01:19
Yeah. Licensed. Yeah.

00:49:02:00 –> 00:49:06:11
Just as outfitters in Alberta, about 30,000 meals a year. Yeah. No

00:49:06:11 –> 00:49:06:26
Way. What effect,

00:49:07:05 –> 00:49:15:16
Yeah. People in need. So it’s pretty cool. I mean the hunters are givers. Yeah. You know, people think, oh, you’re just a killer. Nos are givers. Look, look at the auctions here. How much money’s been raised?

00:49:16:02 –> 00:49:22:22
Unbelievable. It’s unbelievable. Last was Tarded. Yeah. Yeah. It’s unbelievable what tags are selling for. I don’t know how much they raised. Did they? I didn’t stay to the very last tag.

00:49:22:29 –> 00:49:24:05
I seen some stuff on social media

00:49:24:05 –> 00:49:27:00
That was like Alo Island, mule Deer went for like 290. Insane.

00:49:27:00 –> 00:49:28:14
I know that. What? Oh, insane. I insane. That

00:49:28:14 –> 00:49:48:25
Was awesome. Insane. I know. Insane. And that’s all for conservation. That’s great. Yeah. We had a lady in the elevator coming yesterday or the day before. Yeah. And she’s, there’s a bunch of hunters in the elevator coming from the mall. So she’s like, what’s been going on here the last couple of days? All these people dress like this. And I go, there’s a hunting show on. And then Jen’s got her camel coat on and I’m like, she’s going to a tree hugging party. She goes, Hey, I am one of them.

00:49:49:21 –> 00:49:51:24
She did not. She did. So she did. You did not.

00:49:51:25 –> 00:49:52:14
Yeah. So

00:49:52:14 –> 00:50:01:02
Then all of a sudden, instead of, I told her it’s a hunting show. Then I, I turned to her and I said this, I said, it’s actually a conservation expo. And she goes, hunters

00:50:01:02 –> 00:50:03:12
Are conservation, right? Yeah. Right. She said that,

00:50:03:20 –> 00:50:03:26

00:50:03:26 –> 00:50:07:26
You get into it? What? You don’t. I said, you don’t know that hunters are conservation conservationists? And she

00:50:07:26 –> 00:50:19:11
Says, no, all hunters. And I just, I’m very polite. ’cause I feel you gotta be very polite. I says, no, maybe some hunters as you’ve heard of, heard of. But I says, that’s not us. I says, we live off of it, we manage it, we conserve it Good. We, we love and respect it. And she’s like, oh

00:50:20:01 –> 00:50:21:23
Wow. Oh, never heard of that. We

00:50:21:23 –> 00:50:27:12
Have it on the plane on the way here from San Antonio sitting beside us on the window window. Jen’s in the middle. I’m right here.

00:50:27:12 –> 00:50:35:18
Like, she’s one of the ones that’s like over in wherever helping the gorillas and, and you know, which is conservation in that area. Yeah, sure. But I mean totally. You don’t eat it. All this different stuff.

00:50:35:18 –> 00:50:38:02
So, so she’s asking us what we do for a living. We’re outfitters well hello.

00:50:38:07 –> 00:50:42:18
We outfit. So we started talking hunting are mercenaries, we eat it. We’re showing

00:50:42:18 –> 00:50:46:01
Her pictures of appreciate elk stakes and how lean it is and how good it is. And,

00:50:46:09 –> 00:50:52:20
And she was like, oh, I had no idea. See, sometimes it’s just, it’s like on TV or media or whatever, when you see something and you,

00:50:52:20 –> 00:50:55:29
Well, and all they know is who they associate with. Yeah. But they tell, tell each other.

00:50:55:29 –> 00:51:03:18
She kept talking poachers, poachers, poachers. And she associated that with hunting. So I explained to her that hey hunters not necessarily poacher, you know? Yeah, that’s right. It’s two different, those are

00:51:03:20 –> 00:51:04:14
Criminals. Big difference. Yeah.

00:51:04:23 –> 00:51:05:26
So at the end of the flight, but

00:51:05:26 –> 00:51:06:17
She accepted all of it after

00:51:06:23 –> 00:51:08:18
She said, I wanna thank you guys educating

00:51:08:18 –> 00:51:08:22
Me for

00:51:08:22 –> 00:51:09:22
Educating me. Come on. Yep.

00:51:09:27 –> 00:51:11:18
She’s 73 years old.

00:51:11:28 –> 00:51:13:26
She’s probably thought that for the last 50 years. Yeah.

00:51:14:04 –> 00:51:16:02
But it’s lack of knowledge again. Right? It is. Yeah.

00:51:16:03 –> 00:51:21:11
And well, and we’re not talking to them. Right. And then what is, it’s weird. And they’re not talking to us ’cause they don’t want to.

00:51:21:11 –> 00:51:37:25
Yeah. And then back to that fame part again, I’ll chase a rabbit. There again, that’s why when you, now you have a light on you or you have any amount of attention. Yeah. It is your absolute responsibility to do everything in a proper manner to portray it. And people say, well I shouldn’t have to be fake. I should show the guts or I should show it die. We don’t want, take

00:51:37:25 –> 00:51:38:00

00:51:38:00 –> 00:51:41:02
As I, you know, and flipping the deer, flipping around imm, like, we can’t anymore. No. That’s crap.

00:51:41:02 –> 00:51:42:25
We, we have to portray it in the right light. Yeah.

00:51:42:25 –> 00:51:48:12
Because this is our life. Number one. You need to have respect for that animal. You need to portray it. So let’s do this example.

00:51:48:12 –> 00:51:51:17
Well I, you guys of all people I know have dealt with some of that. Yes. You know,

00:51:51:17 –> 00:52:17:24
Well we’ve, like with Joe Rogan, he’s, he’s our buddy and he’s hunted with us. And he says, here, you always gotta look at it this way. He says, you have a housewife in la she’s never been hunting in her life. And she is watching a TV show or seeing a video or something like that. Or on the news and it’s portrayed to her. Yeah. That one portrayal is gonna decide. ’cause she’s, she’s that gray area in the middle. Yeah. Hunters are a minority. The petita of people are, and you know, the aunties are a minority. And that great portion in the middle, those are our decision makers. So if, if we’re not portraying,

00:52:17:25 –> 00:52:18:20
We need to keep them on our side.

00:52:18:21 –> 00:52:34:13
Yeah. If we’re not portraying it in a way that’s, you know, edifying and wholesome and all that stuff. Like even me on some of the shows that I watch on tv, on some of the big channels or on YouTube or whatever, and they shoot something and it’s, and they’re showing it and it falls. Okay, that’s fine. I understand that. But when it starts, you see it suffering or flipping or whatever. I’m like, come on. And

00:52:34:13 –> 00:52:37:28
Sometimes those are just the things that happen in the field. But we don’t have to show

00:52:38:02 –> 00:52:39:05
Anything. But you can edit. You know what I mean?

00:52:39:05 –> 00:52:39:23
Yep. You, you,

00:52:39:26 –> 00:52:46:01
Like today after this thing, if I say something and you’re like, oh Jen, you probably shouldn’t have said that. D d d. We can edit it. Yeah. You know, you can edit it. Yeah.

00:52:46:13 –> 00:52:56:13
So you can, and it’s not that we’re trying to be fake. It’s not that we’re trying to portray something that it’s not. It’s just why I want What good does it do? Yes. Well, well good. I don’t like seeing it myself. Okay. You know what I mean? We am, I don’t wanna see something. So

00:52:56:14 –> 00:53:06:00
We’ve gotta get past our own ego of what’s making us look famous or what’s making us happy. And look at the whole picture. What’s this gonna do for hunting? Do we wanna be responsible for hunting, getting shut down? There’s

00:53:06:00 –> 00:53:07:08
Many other things that are legal. Right. Because you

00:53:07:08 –> 00:53:07:19
Guys have seen that.

00:53:07:20 –> 00:53:08:28
Yes. There’s many other things. Grizz

00:53:09:11 –> 00:53:10:13
Grizzlies now shut down

00:53:10:28 –> 00:53:11:12
Columbia. I know

00:53:11:21 –> 00:53:22:05
They went against the scientists. They went against science that says a grizzly hunt needs to happen to manage them. That’s crazy. The numbers are crazy. There’s more, there’s as many grizzlies almost as we have black bears. Yeah. And they shut it down because of all,

00:53:22:05 –> 00:53:25:11
And now Canadians politics are you guys, everybody’s just up in arms over it. Yeah.

00:53:25:11 –> 00:53:26:13
Yeah. So now they’re coming after, it’s moving

00:53:26:13 –> 00:53:27:13
Over to Alberta again now. So

00:53:27:13 –> 00:53:27:29
They’re coming

00:53:28:06 –> 00:53:30:17
Hunts and the cougar hunts. They’re really trying shut, shut down cougar hunting with house.

00:53:30:17 –> 00:53:31:04
Well no, ’cause your livelihood.

00:53:31:04 –> 00:53:34:10
Yeah. And what they do is they put the coin phrase trophy is

00:53:34:11 –> 00:53:50:08
A trophy Cougar hunt. Yeah. They had the word trophy and trophy. Well with the grizzly bear. They said, are you in, they asked the public, are you in favor of trophy, trophy grizzly bear hunting? Well that middle people that aren’t into hunting troph or anti no them when the word trophy’s there. No, I’m not for trophy hunting. Shut it down. You know. So the survey, that’s how they did it. That’s

00:53:50:08 –> 00:53:52:18
How they did it. It is. Wow. It is so it it’s shut down. And

00:53:52:18 –> 00:53:56:06
You guys are literally overrun with black bear. Could you imagine if they shut that down?

00:53:56:09 –> 00:54:27:12
Well, so bear hunting has been, they’ve been allowed to bait in Alberta since the mid eighties. And the reason that they opened up baiting and back then you could shoot two bears in the spring. Two bears in the fall. There was one time you could shoot three bears at one time. Like, and it was because there was too many. So a farmer that was growing 160 acres of oats could have as many as 30, 40 bears in there. Yeah. Wow. And they would wipe out the crop. They would eat everything and roll in it and flatten it all out. So then it’s worthless. So they to do something, farmer something. And it’s that type of country there, apart from those oat fields, it’s all bush. So how do you manage, how do you go hunt a bear? How

00:54:27:12 –> 00:54:29:17
Do you hunt a bear? Yeah. So they have to, you’re not gonna a glass ’em, they

00:54:29:17 –> 00:54:50:18
Open up the government, the scientists, see that’s the other thing. People think hunting. Hunting tags or hunting licenses just pulled out of a hat or something. Yeah. No, these are scientists. These are biologists that manage and calculate and count and decide, okay, this is a huntable population. We can take this many out a percentage. You know, and that’s how it’s managed. It’s not just, people are shocked by that. When you tell ’em this is done by scientists. I don’t,

00:54:50:18 –> 00:54:51:10
I don’t think they’re not

00:54:51:10 –> 00:54:52:13
Just pulled outta your butt. Yeah.

00:54:52:25 –> 00:55:09:02
I don’t think they’re always exactly right. And they’re a little bit behind the time sometimes. Yeah, sure. But they are the ones that are putting the data out there for the laws to be made. So it’s like yeah, you have to respect ’em. You have to follow ’em. And if, if they’re saying, okay, it’s, it’s a beatable population. Okay. So let’s get into the baiting part of bears. ’cause that’s a big controversy.

00:55:09:03 –> 00:55:10:16
Yeah. Right into the bears. Here we go. Yeah,

00:55:10:16 –> 00:55:14:08
That’s right into the bears. ’cause that’s our life. So the baiting controversy’s

00:55:14:08 –> 00:55:16:12
Not fair. I don’t think Baiting’s fair they say. Right. Okay.

00:55:16:14 –> 00:55:31:08
So I ran into some locals last year just in a little diner where we gas up. There are two old grandpas there. And they’re having, and they’re like, oh are you a hunter? Yeah. I’m out hunting bear. Are you one of those baiters? And I’m like, yeah. And before I used to kind of back down ’cause I didn’t like to do, I like, I do like confrontation to a certain extent,

00:55:31:28 –> 00:55:33:10
Jim. But

00:55:33:17 –> 00:55:35:17
It’s funny that we’re on this podcast and there’s,

00:55:35:26 –> 00:55:37:24
It’s good that you’re, it’s good that you level out. There’s

00:55:37:25 –> 00:55:42:13
No cameras on. It’s filming us. Right. It’s so if there was a camera here and you could read body language and facial features. I

00:55:42:13 –> 00:55:42:29
Know you get

00:55:42:29 –> 00:55:43:11
A whole other

00:55:44:01 –> 00:55:46:05
Perspective of how this is going. So,

00:55:46:05 –> 00:56:19:08
So the bear thing and he asked, are you baiting? And I’m like, well, well yeah, we do. And he started being really kind of rude about it. And I’m like, well, do you understand why we bait? And this is like 70 year old locals. And so I started talking to him about it and I says, the purpose why we bait, I says, we wanna do a selective harvest. Oh yeah, we’ve heard that all before. I says, okay. I says, you’re gone hunting and you want a bear and you see a bear walking. I says, do you know what size it is? Well, no, it’s just a bear. I says, you know what sex it is? Well we don’t know. I said, you know if it has babies or not because it’s illegal to shoot a sow with young cubs. Yeah. So I says, when I’m sitting in a bait and I sit there, I says, I can observe every bear that comes in.

00:56:19:08 –> 00:57:05:17
Yeah. I can sit there for as long as they’re observe them, I can tell you what sex they are. ’cause I’ll teach our clients on how to judge sex, how to judge size and, ’cause if the sow doesn’t have cubs, she actually is legal to hunt. But we tell all of our clients don’t shoot a sow. And we had a little differences with some clients and I said, well this is the reason when the mating season is on, those sows won’t bring your babies into the, the cubs into the bait. Nine times outta 10. Yeah. ’cause the bores are there. Yeah. Those bore bears are gonna kill are just like lines. If they can kill those babies, they’re gonna bring that sow back into heat. So that’s why they keep ’em out. So they’ll say, oh, the sow came in, she’s got no babies. I’m like, no, she’s treat ’em 50 yards. 200 yards. And you can hear ’em sometimes they’ll start bawling and stuff way out there. Yeah. So I’m like at our place and I mean there is a mistake once in a blue moon. We had one last year. That’s cool. Yeah. I mean it happens. Yeah. Because it was really, really hard to tell.

00:57:05:21 –> 00:57:10:08
And it was a sow, not that it had babies or anything, but just a female bear. And it’s legal to shoot them. You can shoot and

00:57:10:08 –> 00:57:11:16
Hunt females, but you’d rather not. Yeah,

00:57:11:16 –> 00:58:00:29
But I mean that’s your population grower, right? Yeah. And our sows are having 3, 4, 5 cubs. So of course you want them. Yes. And then they said, well it was a big sow. And I said, okay guys, do you want a big boar? Well if you have big, big, like we’ll get up to seven foot sows. Like they’re huge. Who do you think she’s gonna, this is a whole nother topic. Who do you think she’s gonna allow to breed them? It’s gonna be the big, big boars. Yeah. So if you have sows and heat’s probably a little bit too in depth, but in the breeding season and they’re in your baits, that’s when you’re gonna get your mature old boars coming through is when they’re there. Yeah. If you take them outta the equation, guess what? Your chances of seeing a big old mature boar go Way, way down. Wow. There’s lot, lot. So it’s, it’s a lot of management. People say, oh, they just come and you shoot ’em and it’s you take booboo and you’re done. I’m like, no. The way I do it. Like he’ll tell everybody, I mean I’m meticulous. I’ll look at every little piece on their face. I’ll know this one has a scar. Yeah. Like all, all the baits I sit at, so I will actually know who’s coming in and who’s doing what and stuff. Yeah.

00:58:01:19 –> 00:58:07:08
So’s that’s been the key to our success. That’s why we do so well on bears this because we manage our area really well. Yeah. It’s totally managed.

00:58:08:01 –> 00:58:11:06
So, and we, we want it managed well because we want longevity. So do you

00:58:11:06 –> 00:58:15:18
Name them like we name Mulder? Like do you have sp like just Scarface? Just

00:58:15:18 –> 00:58:17:28
A few, like a scarf face, something like that. Or a scar. I have one named

00:58:17:28 –> 00:58:19:26
Scar. Is there bears you’re looking forward to seeing this year?

00:58:19:26 –> 00:58:44:14
Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Things like that. There’s some that you’ve seen on camera or that a hunter’s seen or like I have this, this one big so I just call her. Oh I just call her big brownie. ’cause she is like massive. Yeah. And she’s a beautiful cinnamon. And the guy, one guy, many hunters. Like I said, okay, if I put you at this bait, this is the bear that’s there. You are not allowed to shoot her. If you shoot her, I’ll probably beat you up. Like I would be totally frustrated. Yeah. Because she’s a huge shout. Might cry. I probably would. ’cause she’s amazing. She has,

00:58:44:14 –> 00:58:46:10
She’s producing three brown babies every two years. Three

00:58:46:10 –> 00:58:48:17
To four years. Geez. Well three to four cubs. Yeah. She had four

00:58:48:17 –> 00:58:49:01
Couple years.

00:58:49:16 –> 00:58:50:05
She guys have washed

00:58:50:05 –> 00:58:50:28
Her for years. Years

00:58:50:28 –> 00:59:00:28
And years. So like a spot like that, those bears become personal to us. Yeah. And we would not even leave a hunter there by, we don’t to hunt that area. Wow. Because of the chance that he might take that one. You know,

00:59:01:05 –> 00:59:01:23
Like I get a little,

00:59:02:01 –> 00:59:04:11
We sit with them, we make sure they’re, we’re managing right. We’re,

00:59:04:18 –> 00:59:07:20
I get a little possess of when it comes to those bears. I do know,

00:59:07:20 –> 00:59:16:11
You know what’s crazy about hunt bears? The way we hunt them by managing and and taking out the big boars. We try to average seven foot boars by taking those out. Your bear population skyrockets. Your

00:59:16:11 –> 00:59:17:20
Moose population skyrockets. The

00:59:17:20 –> 00:59:18:29
Moose population, the deer, the elk. Yes,

00:59:18:29 –> 00:59:20:04
Yes, yes. All of that.

00:59:20:11 –> 00:59:29:26
So here’s a little, little story with the bear things. People are like, oh they would never do that. So I was guiding at one spot and then I changed spots and my son went into this with some other clients. So my son actually witnessed,

00:59:29:26 –> 00:59:33:06
He, some of your listeners might have heard this from Joe Rogan. He told

00:59:33:06 –> 00:59:33:20
This, he told

00:59:33:20 –> 00:59:37:17
This story. A lot of those bear stories from Joe Rogan are from our place. Yeah. So you’ll hear it from, so

00:59:37:22 –> 01:00:20:01
A couple different podcasts. This one spot, he’s sitting with clients, the sow. And we had been seeing her for quite a while. Sorry, she’s a lousy mom. She would leave her baby loves crying and the baby would be crying in the trees. Come on. Oh yeah. Just a little, little thing. So she came in, left the baby in a tree right behind us and started feeding. And then finally baby came in and she shot him up a tree above her. But then she took off and she was gone for like 45 minutes or whatever. And she’s, it’s crying and crying and it’s just a wee little thing. And so this other bear started to come in and it’s like, oh, he doesn’t know. Like, I mean I’m talking cat size like tiny starts to come down. Yeah. And oh didn’t know whatever. And my son witnessed this all, this was actually a young boy that came in, jumped up, grabbed that off the tree, come on, ripped it apart in front of you. In front of us And our clients brand.

01:00:20:01 –> 01:00:20:14
This is like a

01:00:20:18 –> 01:00:22:06
First time bear hunter clients the

01:00:22:06 –> 01:00:24:12
Size of a cat. Yeah. Bear cub ripped

01:00:24:12 –> 01:00:29:05
It. Eight part of it. It is gruesome, disgusting. But this is nature. People wanna know nature. This is natural. This is what happens.

01:00:29:08 –> 01:00:32:01
So this is the freaky part now takes, so the Bo’s eaten half of it and he

01:00:32:01 –> 01:00:37:07
Walked away. Takes mom comes back in looking, oh where’s Billy finished? Oh, what’s that? She ate the rest. Come

01:00:37:17 –> 01:00:37:24

01:00:37:27 –> 01:00:44:16
Our hunters were horrified. My son was like, mom, I can’t believe it. Why did you switch me places? Like I can’t believe what I just saw. But that’s

01:00:44:16 –> 01:00:46:02
Nature. That’s how, it’s just like Africa with wine.

01:00:46:02 –> 01:00:47:18
No, I don’t want kill that sound. Yeah. You

01:00:47:18 –> 01:00:56:25
Know what I mean? And it was just like how, but she was, and I think honestly looking back, I believe she had three cubs at the beginning. Yeah. She mom And I think she lost them all was mom. She was, she just wasn’t meant to be

01:00:56:28 –> 01:01:02:14
Mom. Generally they’re really good moms. They’ll die. They’ll, they’ll fight a seven foot boar to defend their cubs. Like they’ll do anything. But yeah.

01:01:03:09 –> 01:01:13:10
Wow. Well that’s awesome. Well is there anything else far as bears? There’s such a science you could go on for hours and hours on stuff like that. But anything else as far as bears? It’s interesting that, did

01:01:13:10 –> 01:01:15:17
You know we got Toro in his first animal with a bow arrow?

01:01:16:06 –> 01:01:17:02
I didn’t know that it was

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Bear. Yep. Yeah. Really.

01:01:18:04 –> 01:01:25:14
Here’s the next thing. Here’s the ne next myth. Bears taste amazing. People think it’s all trophy hunting and you don’t eat bears because a lot of people claim they eat bears seen on social media.

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Media is

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Amazing. They do. If

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An outfitter tells you they don’t taste good, it’s ’cause they’re too lazy to deal with it or they don’t

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Want to. Okay. Because Okay. Do you

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Have to eat it up there

01:01:32:16 –> 01:01:32:22
In county?

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No You don’t. No, because they can carry trinos. But so can cougars and so

01:01:36:05 –> 01:01:40:02
Cougars, wolves. Bears. Yeah. In Alberta you don’t have to save the meat. You can feed it to the wolves and bear.

01:01:40:08 –> 01:01:40:29
But if people are, can

01:01:40:29 –> 01:01:42:17
You cure that by just cooking it? Yes. You

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Cook fully

01:01:42:29 –> 01:01:44:00
Cooked. Okay. So you

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Gotta cook it. Well done. Eat pork.

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You’re not Jewish or something.

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Eat okay. Nonstop or chicken. I’ll eat it every

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Day. Would you eat pork rare?

01:01:50:10 –> 01:01:51:02
No. No. Well

01:01:51:08 –> 01:01:53:19
Same with bear. Same thing. Oh, so don’t be scared to eat bear. Yeah. But

01:01:53:21 –> 01:01:55:12
Just don’t eat it. Don’t order bear rare.

01:01:55:14 –> 01:01:56:29
Yeah. And then there’s a fallacy too. There’s people,

01:01:56:29 –> 01:01:58:16
But the other fallacy, she’ll tell you right now. Okay.

01:01:58:16 –> 01:02:18:01
It it, it drives me nuts. ’cause there’s people that say they’ve had bear and then people ask, oh, what does it taste like on their post on social media? Oh it tastes just like a pork. And I’m like, actually it doesn’t taste like pork. It doesn’t like it’s very dark red meat. The only reason why somebody might say it might be a bit pork like is ’cause it can have fat. Yeah. But it doesn’t taste the same at all. It’s a dark, dark red meat. Like I’ll do a stir fry.

01:02:18:02 –> 01:02:20:12
So the ones you hear say that, that they probably never had it. Yeah. Yeah.

01:02:20:23 –> 01:02:27:12
So I’ll do a stir frying camp bear loin. So at the end of the, you know how everybody goes to restaurants and they have surf and turf? Well we don’t have that in Alberta. So my Yeah, the

01:02:27:12 –> 01:02:29:23
Ones that said that are probably gonna listen to your podcast. That’s

01:02:29:23 –> 01:02:40:10
Okay. That’s okay. So anyways, that’s not discovered at the end of the week. We’ll do I call it Jen’s land and lake? Yeah. Land and lake. So we’ll do a bear stir fry, which is totally amazing. And the lake will have fresh walleye.

01:02:40:17 –> 01:02:42:17
That’s every Friday night in bear camp. Wow.

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It’s our,

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It’s my favorite night of the

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Week. It’s, it’s something that I try to do because a lot of people have never tried that. Some people have never heard walleye. Like Joe actually caught his

01:02:48:28 –> 01:03:07:01
And it, it turns all of our hunters into love and bear and wanting to take the meat home. Yeah. That’s another reason why we have more bear hunters now is by educating that the meat is good and letting them taste it. Now we have people come that years ago were like, oh, I’d love to go shoot a bear with you, but I don’t, I won’t eat it so I’m not gonna shoot something I don’t want to eat. So now that they’re like, oh it’s good meat, okay, I’m coming. These

01:03:07:01 –> 01:03:20:17
Guys are taking it home. Like I’ve been doing recipes on the Traeger and stuff and they’ve been taking it home and they’ve been doing like roast and ham and brisket and like burger and That’s awesome. And sausages. Yeah. That’s awesome. One of her friends, Lisa and Wayne from the Bull Rock in Oregon. Lisa came up a few years ago.

01:03:20:17 –> 01:03:26:04
That’s who just set up our new Hoss. Yes. Hoy shipped them to them. Wayne set ’em up, shipped them back here, they’re gonna be here Monday. Well

01:03:26:04 –> 01:03:27:29
They took, they took back their bear and he’s

01:03:27:29 –> 01:03:31:12
One of the only guys that trust I got. You must know some, a couple of guys in Edmonton. You guys must

01:03:31:12 –> 01:03:32:07
Know some people. Yeah. Wayne

01:03:32:07 –> 01:03:33:17
That trust their Bowes. That’s it.

01:03:33:29 –> 01:03:41:22
Well anyways, they took back their bears that they got her and her daughter. They canned it all. And seriously within a couple months it was all gone. Wow. Like it just, they wiped it out. So

01:03:41:22 –> 01:03:50:18
Yeah. And those girls that came up, Lisa and their daughter and their friend, they butchered everything themselves. Like, these girls are serious, they’re the real deal. You know? Oh yeah. They were Debo filled up their

01:03:50:18 –> 01:03:52:08
Coolers. How many hunters do you take a year?

01:03:53:09 –> 01:04:02:28
Depends. Depends. We’re, we’re winding down now for fall stuff. We’re trying to save time for us finally after 29 years. So at one time, you know, you’d do 12, 18 deer hunters,

01:04:02:28 –> 01:04:04:24
20 or 30 bear hunters. 1240.

01:04:04:24 –> 01:04:05:12
Yeah. 40

01:04:05:21 –> 01:04:08:00
Up to 40 depending on how we arrange everything

01:04:08:08 –> 01:04:13:29
Heavy. I was trying not, you guys are going hard. I was trying not to do any moose hunts this fall. Yeah. And I got seven coming. Oh

01:04:14:02 –> 01:04:14:08

01:04:14:12 –> 01:04:16:22
Gosh. And they’re bare on her turned moose hunter her.

01:04:16:22 –> 01:04:19:05
Yeah. Yeah, that too. Yeah. That’s the thing. People come to us for a

01:04:19:05 –> 01:04:30:25
Certain, they come, they taste it because I asked them all like, would you like to taste wild game? They’re like, do you? I says, I’m gonna make a moose roast or a moose spaghetti. Or they’re like moose spaghetti. I’m like, yeah, we do. We don’t buy ground beef. No. Like everybody else, you know, you go to the store, everybody

01:04:30:25 –> 01:04:32:12
That’s got ground at our place is usually moose.

01:04:32:12 –> 01:04:34:24
Moose or elk. Yep. Yeah. I mean it’s just a way to live. I think

01:04:34:24 –> 01:04:35:18
It’s taco about Tuesdays.

01:04:35:18 –> 01:04:36:18
Taco Tuesdays. Yeah.

01:04:38:05 –> 01:04:38:12

01:04:38:18 –> 01:04:38:26

01:04:38:26 –> 01:04:40:28
Tacos. Hey Kobe. How about Taco Tuesdays? Yeah.

01:04:42:21 –> 01:04:47:07
Well good. And so you’ll hear, when do you guys, yeah. Oh yeah. When do you guys start? April

01:04:47:23 –> 01:04:50:04
Ap. April the, so the bear season Alberta opens April 1st

01:04:50:14 –> 01:04:51:11
And that’s when Jen starts.

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That’s usually, there’s no bears out yet.

01:04:52:20 –> 01:04:54:06
Bears dead by April 2nd. No,

01:04:54:06 –> 01:05:03:16
No, no. Usually they still still, oh they usually, they’re dead depending on the snow. Usually. Sometimes we’ll get some out. We’ll see ’em on camera. 11th, 12th, 13th of April. Yeah. Okay. But the majority will be like around the third week of April.

01:05:03:25 –> 01:05:14:05
Big blonde. The Jen got last year, that big blonde color phase, that one was one of the first ones out. And he was on, on a camera on April 11th. Wow. That’s, that’s early. Normally it’s like from the middle to the third week

01:05:14:07 –> 01:05:16:07
Of April 19th, 21st somewhere. That’s the average. Yeah. So

01:05:16:07 –> 01:05:17:06
When do you bring your clients in?

01:05:17:06 –> 01:05:18:14
Beginning of May. Okay.

01:05:18:20 –> 01:05:21:23
May 1st you’re starting. Yeah. May 1st to June 15th. That’s right.

01:05:21:26 –> 01:05:22:08

01:05:22:08 –> 01:05:22:23
Right. Okay.

01:05:23:28 –> 01:05:30:05
That’s heavy. And then even, even the sows with the young cubs, you don’t see them around out much for Yeah. It takes ’em a little bit, a little bit longer. They’re the

01:05:30:05 –> 01:05:30:28
Last ones out of the day. Usually

01:05:30:28 –> 01:05:33:28
The first ones out the bigger boards, they’re coming to look for food and Yeah.

01:05:34:07 –> 01:05:36:13
So if you want a giant come early. Yeah. Oh,

01:05:36:13 –> 01:05:37:13
Here’s the next thing. Yep.

01:05:37:22 –> 01:05:39:11
Or at least it’s easier to know that.

01:05:39:16 –> 01:06:04:10
So have you ever heard of this on a bear? Because this is something that people that’s never dealt with bears or some of them that say they have, they have no idea. So you want pork, you render fat, you render their lard. Oh yeah. So on the bear, especially the spring bears, the big ones, they still have fat from the dent. That’s, that’s how you know they’ve been in really healthy. Yeah. Then there’s some in the fall we’ll take, we’ll take all that fat and we’ll render it down. Yeah. I mean, and make it, you know, like your tender flake, your Crisco, all of that stuff. Yeah. So we’ll, we’ll have that and we’ll use it for baking, for making pies. Always that.

01:06:04:10 –> 01:06:09:08
Yeah. I put eggs in the more deep fry my eggs in a pan with it really We’ll. Deep fry french fries in it. Like you can use it for everything.

01:06:09:14 –> 01:06:10:10
Oh no way. And it’s

01:06:10:10 –> 01:06:12:25
Beautiful white, pure, just like your lard that you’d buy at the store.

01:06:13:02 –> 01:06:18:22
So. So the next step in this process, I just wanna touch on, so we hunt where there’s a lot of native population. Yeah. Bunch of native reserves

01:06:18:22 –> 01:06:18:26

01:06:18:26 –> 01:06:26:26
There. Yeah, sure. So they, they don’t hunt bears, but bears are very sacred to them. And we talk with them when we’re friends with many of them because you’re in the same area. You can’t have a d l on better. They know that

01:06:26:26 –> 01:06:44:24
By us hunting bears in the area where they are, that their moose population goes up, they see it. I mean Okay. So bears kill 40, 50% of the calves every spring when they’re giving birth. Yeah. So by us hunting those big boars that naturally go do that, we’re saving that many moose. So it’s great for them. Yeah. So they, you know, they don’t like to kill the bears like Jen was saying. So they ask us, could you bring us fat? We need fat.

01:06:44:26 –> 01:06:55:16
Well once they, yeah. We’ll actually render it and we’ll bring it to em. I put ’em in the cute little mason jars and everything and you give it to ’em and when, when they take it from you, it’s like you’ve just given them like a brick of gold. It is. It’s great. Long ’cause it’s, it’s a traditional healing thing.

01:06:55:16 –> 01:06:56:24
This is the elders we’re going to, these are

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The elders and the

01:06:57:10 –> 01:06:58:10
Chief, you know, we’re giving

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It to them. So we’re not, we’re not that disconnected where we, we realize we’re sharing this land together. Yeah. Even if we don’t agree and they don’t agree with all of what we do and we don’t agree with all what they do, we still understand we’re sharing this land. Yeah. And we have to honor their traditions. Even though it’s not all of them are mine. I mean, we both actually have native in our background. When you go back a bit, probably a lot of us do. Yeah. But anyways, it’s just to give honor and and respect them. And they really, really appreciate it. Like they brought us to meetings when they have meetings with the government so we can sit in with them and listen to them. Wow.

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Yeah. Yeah. That’s awesome. And so is it, is it a two bear limit? Yes. It Where you guys, and do you let your clients kill two bears?

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Is it? Yep. Yeah. If they want to, if they, if they buy two bear tags, then okay. They

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Can shoot two bears trophy fee or whatever, little

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More for two. And we always strive to get a, you know, a bigger bear. And then it’s, it all kind of depends too. If it’s a person on its first bear hunt, we’re not gonna try to hold out for that massive. Yeah. Some people we will because I mean they just want the massive. Yeah. But,

01:07:50:02 –> 01:07:54:19
Well, anything else as far as, do you guys have any openings? You guys are jammed the

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Spring though? Yeah, no,

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Like, call book four years out for a bear hunt. You know what,

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I was gonna make a post the other day. I wish I could say I had room for you guys to book a hunt. ’cause I’m seeing so many right now that are really good. Outfitters too. But yeah, I’d like to say I could take it, but I have no room. Sorry. Wow.

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Isn’t that, that’s a great place to,

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To be in. And we’re, we’re thankful. We’re thankful every day for what we have. And yeah, everywhere I get into a new, every time I get into our new truck, I’m thankful I don’t take anything for granted. We’re very thankful. I remember the days when there was an old truck, truck floorboards.

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We had holes in a, like, I think that’s a big thing too, is where if you’re not a thankful person every day and you don’t thank God for what you have and where you’ve came from, I think you get disconnected from you do, your head gets big. Yeah. That’s an easy way to say it.

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That’s one of the key success. Being thankful.

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Well that’s what a lot of guys have quizzed me and my wife and I, you know, lay in bed talking about it at night. Like how, you know, some of the mulder, right? Yeah. Because that’s what I’m really into,

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Right? Yes, you have. We need to talk Mulder here too. Eventually we don’t. But okay. I won’t start on not podcast

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Just after,

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Just after. Yeah. We can

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Talk about it. But, but anyway, but so blessed some of these deer, some of these deer. I don’t, I I didn’t earn. You know what I mean? Yeah. Some of them, some of them happen. Yeah. A lot of ’em. And I’ll be like, I’ll tell Jenna, I’ll be like, you know, if I had a crystal ball and she knows it too, of course, you know, a lot of these deer I owe to her because of, you know, all the sacrifice that she does staying at home with the kids and me being gone a lot like, like I owe my success to her. Yes. In large part. And so anyway, I tell her, doc, if I had a crystal ball and I could dictate exactly, you know, what I would harvest this year, we exceeded that. Yeah. You know what I mean? We exceeded what I would wish for myself. Yeah. And that’s not by accident. That comes from blessings. Yeah, that’s true. And I look at it that way, you know, and Yeah. Do we, do we work hard? No, but I feel like the Lord blesses you if you work hard, yeah’s. You know what I mean? That’s true. He,

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The harder you work, the luckier you get. Yeah. He’s

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Not, that’s not, I mean it’s not just gonna, sometimes accidents totally do happen. Yeah. But he does expect work on our part and, and Oh yeah. We

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See it so much through our whole life. We’ve seen it. I mean there’s, there’s things that happened that I really didn’t work for. There’s, we work a lot for what we have, but there’s things that come from

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Blow your mind. Blow my mind.

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Like I couldn’t dictate

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That. Nothing to do with that. How

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Did that happen? Can’t everybody says. Well, it’s just, what do they say? It’s, it’s just a coincidence. Coincidence. I’m like, I’m

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A coincidence anymore. No, I’m

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Sorry dudes. It’s true. That many coincidence don’t happen. I know, but I mean, for us it’s like God, family and outdoors. Yeah. Yeah. Because that’s, and you take that all, wrap it up in

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One package. Can’t separate it because it’s all wrapped up together. Wrapped together. Well, why don’t you stop talk like our friends. So Mike Fisher carry Underwood’s husband and his brother have, but they’re doing some filming. They’re filming some hunting and stuff right now. Sure. And they’ve got the kitchen deer. They started that cool. Yeah. Brand. It’s a cool, fun line. You know, just catching deer. ’cause every Did you catch any deer? Something? That’s always

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A joke. Yeah. Yeah. That’s

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Been the joke since I was a kid. So did you catch anything? I know. Okay. And

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They’ll, they’ll post stuff about God on their page and stuff. And people are like, why don’t you, why don’t you just stick to hunting? Why don’t you just not mention the God stuff? Like, sorry, we can’t, it’s, it’s all part of what we do. It’s part of

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What we do. You know, and

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Well for us. How do you think, I mean, even with Joe Rogan, we’ll be talking, he’ll, he’ll do these little quizzes when we’re driving and he’s like, so how, how are you guys still together? You know, we all, I mean, we’re friends, we talk Right. And I’m like, honestly, for us, if that foundation wasn’t there, do you think might not be together, do you think started dating at 15 and 18 years old, you’d, how many people are,

01:10:59:24 –> 01:11:00:24
You never met with me that long. Right?

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I mean, you, you look at the, you look, no, you look at the divorce

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Rate or vice versa.

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You look at the divorce rate.

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It reminds me, I’m listening to Larry King live one time, and it was Billy Graham, famous preacher and his wife. And they’ve been, they were married forever. Like, I don’t know how many years. It was like

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40 something or 50. Yeah. Longer than

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Most people have been alive.

01:11:16:17 –> 01:11:17:06
Yeah. Yeah. 50

01:11:17:06 –> 01:11:27:20
Something. And Larry King said to her, have you ever, through all those years, have you ever thought of divorce? And she says, Nope. But I’ve thought of murdering. Oh my gosh. She was kidding. Of course. But

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Oh well. Good. Well I sure appreciate you guys. I know

01:11:31:11 –> 01:11:32:16
We could go on for another few hours,

01:11:32:19 –> 01:11:35:25
But the show’s starting now. The show’s starting and you guys gotta get get

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Going too. Have to do it again. And you’ll have to come up and visit us.

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I would love to. I’d love to. I’d love to bring Jan up and come home for

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With you guys. Oh, for

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Sure. Yep. You know, if you ever end up getting an opening or something like that, we’ll make room.

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We, we always say like, we are full, but there’s always ways we can move stuff around where we can squish and Yeah. We, we always can fit in somebody that we want to be there. Doesn’t that I do something, let’s do, doesn’t that sound bad, but

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Let’s, I’m doing a brown bear, you know, up in Alaska this may, but maybe we do something next year. Yeah, yeah. I would love to do

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That. That be awesome. And that’s even when we’re guiding, like people say, well you can’t be picky with your clients. I’m like, this is, I mean, this is our life. We love to have fun with the people that come in and you know, it’s really fun when you have a good group of people in. Yeah. And I mean, for the last

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01:12:14:23 –> 01:12:45:01
It makes work. Oh, I’m gonna say this before we’re done too. And you can edit it out if you want. But you know, like how we said we’re, we get people that want throw product at us and, and sponsor us with stuff. And unless I like them and unless the product is the best there is, I won’t do it. Like ho I love ho ho make the best bows on the planet. So that’s why we’re with them. And we love all the people at the, at the factory and in the office and everything. Yeah. So we love being involved with them. But I’ll check out the people, I’ll check out the company before I make a decision. We had lots at a t a this year that wanna hook up with us. And I’m, I’m not sure yet. I’m checking ’em out. Might take another year before I decide, or maybe I never will. That’s

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Awesome. And I hope that doesn’t come across as arrogant or anything like that too. Don’t too

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Made your own way. You’re not relying on it.

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All the companies right now that are listening to this, we’re watching that are into marketing. The marketing people really look cool. I’m telling you guys this right now before go, go pick somebody to represent you, to represent your company and your brand. Yeah. Check them out. Find out what they’re all about. Don’t just pick ’em because numbers. Well you are, oh, they got a big following, let’s bring ’em on. You have no idea what’s in their background or what they do or what they’re gonna do to you. What’s real or how are they’re gonna represent us.

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If you’re hiring an employee, you do, you know, you do, what’s their previous employment? You do, you know who they’re, you know, all that type of stuff. Yeah. When it’s this, this is bigger than that because Yeah. You’re hiring them. Yeah. But now see, for us, it’s like when we’re with somebody, we’re representing, of course, what we believe in. We’re representing our family, we’re representing my kids now we’re representing all of these people. So when I’m doing something, when I’m hunting in Texas, which is all new to me, and I’m like a little, little kid in a candy store, it’s like, well, you could do this. But I’m like, okay, so what is, what are the rules? Say, how do I depict this? Like I wanna make sure I am spot on because I don’t wanna, I never wanna look bad. I never wanna make our God look bad. Yeah. I never wanna make my family look bad. Yeah. And I especially don’t wanna make, you know, the people that believe in us or have their name attached to us. Yeah, yeah. I don’t wanna damage them. Yeah. Because then,

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Because you already hold yourself to High Standard, but now that you’re representing other people, you hold yourself even higher, you know?

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Yeah. And I think all these people that are been in this industry for 20 years, some of them, you know, they got it. Yeah. They know it because you just see their character. Yeah. They get it. I mean, one of my favorite shows, I don’t watch a lot of hunting shows, but I still watch, I’ll watch Uncharted. Yeah. Jim Josh’s uncharted, it’s great brand produces and it’s just, I like how they,

01:14:13:26 –> 01:14:15:05
Lin is an incredible producer. Yeah.

01:14:15:05 –> 01:14:15:11
How they

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It’s not just hunting, but it’s the culture. It’s everything

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Else. Culture. Culture. It’s the lifestyle, it’s the tradition, it’s the travel, it’s the everything. And I mean, educational for me. And that’s what I like. And

01:14:26:05 –> 01:14:30:12
Lin’s such an nice guy. I could shoot him by text. He answer within minutes right now. He’s awesome. Yeah.

01:14:30:26 –> 01:14:33:19
Well, good. Well, we sure appreciate you guys. How can people get ahold of you

01:14:34:00 –> 01:14:36:28
Living the Dream Productions? Or actually, just on Instagram is probably quick.

01:14:36:28 –> 01:14:42:19
Yeah. So we say we’re living the dream and we own the company. Yeah. We can actually really see, we said that Living The Dream Productions Incorporated. Good.

01:14:42:19 –> 01:14:59:01
Awesome. So on Instagram, he’s Johnny Rivett Simple. Johnny Rivet. And I am gonna laugh, I’m Girl Guide Jen Rivett because people used to say, oh, you need a corny name. Don’t put your real name. And I’m, I’m a girl guide, I’ll put it on. Yeah. But I don’t sell cookies. I make some darn good cookies, but I don’t sell cookies.

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Yeah. Yeah. Well, let’s get together again soon. Thanks for inviting us. Yep. Alright.

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All right, sounds good. Sure. Appreciate you guys taking the time. And we’ll go from there.