EP: 79 Winning Big in Wyoming with Russ Elms. In this episode of The Epic Outdoors Podcast we talk with Russ Elms. Russ had the unbelievable luck of winning the Wyoming Super Tag Trifecta on the same year that he drew a Wyoming Bighorn Sheep tag in the regular draw. This allowed Russ to hunt two Sheep, a Shiras moose, and an elk, all in one incredible season. This is a situation that will likely never happen again.
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What you do, the trifecta tagging. I was like, holy
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Smoke. This is gonna be something people have never read about ever before. Killing two sheep in the same state on draw tags the same year.
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Anything to do with Western Big Games.
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Welcome
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To the Epic Outdoors Podcast, powered by Under Armour. Hey everybody here. We got another great episode today at the Epic Outdoors Podcast. Got a great guest with us today. Russ Elms from Baker City, Oregon, and he’s one of those guys we all, we all read about and don’t ever think it’d be us, but got a great story to go through with him about some great hunts he had here year or so ago. But before we get started real quick, I want to give a shout out to Under Armour. They’re the title sponsor of our podcast. We appreciate their sponsorship of that and everything we do here at Epic Outdoors and and, and all we’re doing projects and got a bright bunch of great new gear they’re coming out with here this summer. So stay tuned there. Russ, you on there with us?
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I am. Good morning, Adam.
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Hey, good morning. Well, I got myself, John Peterson and Russ, maybe just before we dive into maybe some of the incredible luck you had a year and a half ago or so, just tell us a little bit about, I, I know you’re from Baker City, Oregon. I’ve known you, we’ve known you here for, I don’t know, 15, 20 years it feels like. But tell us a little bit about your background, where you’re from, what you do for a living. And you know, I, we’ve always known you in the hunting world, but there’s, you know, that’s how we’ve got connected. But tell us a little bit about yourself.
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Yeah, you know, I, like you said, I live in Baker City, Oregon, which is a, a rural community in northeastern Oregon. And I’m married and I have two teenage daughters that keep me on my toes, that’s for sure. And, and like you said, I’ve known you for quite a while, met you through the hunting industry, and I am a small business owner with several different interests that I do here in Baker City.
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Gotcha. So have you always hunted, I mean, I know that’s a loaded question ’cause, and we’ll get to this a little bit later. I know your dad hunts and he had a couple great hunts last year himself, but, so I assume your dad’s probably who got, you started into that and you’ve pretty much hunted your whole life.
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Yeah, I’ve always hunted, you know, just locally really had, didn’t even know anything else existed out there other than just hunting in Oregon. And, you know, you, you go to the top of the mountain and you make drives down through and you shoot anything that had horns. And I mean, that’s just how I was brought up. I mean, that’s how you, you kind of did it and then went to college and, and then worked in big cities and when I, I moved back, had opportunity to move back to Baker City, my wife and I did, I, I tied in with a guy that was a, a big hunter here named Steve Adams and told him my interest and in, in hunting and stuff. And he invited me out to his house and I walked into his trophy room one time and looked around at all those other critters on the wall and thought, huh, that looks like fun.
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And next thing you know, man, he, he turned me on to a, a publication that that talked about tags and stuff like that. And, and so I started putting in for tags and you know, I got in, what was that like 25 years ago? So I got in on the ground floor in a lot of states, which was, which I never really thought was that big a deal at that time. But, but now I, looking back, that was probably what has helped me on, on a lot of these draw tags, you know, and such. And then I started going up north, chasing the sheep more and more and, and just back when I was doing it when I was younger, I’m 48 now. It was much more affordable than it than now. It seems like that prices really jumped up. But that’s kind of how I got into the hunting in the other states stuff was through, through Steve was his name. And like I said, we, he kind of got me interested in sheep. And then I drew a sheep tag here in Oregon in 1996. And from then on I’ve just been trying to, to go as much as I can.
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Yeah, well that’s, that’s a great intro. And, and for maybe from some of your listeners are like, why, what’s this Russ El? What’d he do? Why they got him on there? Well, let’s get to that. ’cause that’s a pretty neat story here. A year or so ago, I think it was, I dunno, mid-July sometime, I, I got an email from yeah, Wyoming game and Phish emails or whatever. Hey, the super tag results are out. And, you know, that’s one of the nothing that you ever really go get. It’s not like a normal, Hey, when the draws for Wyoming super tag’s gonna be out like the regular states are. But, you know, remember looking at ’em, glancing, I’m, I saw your name, and I’m like, holy crap, I can’t believe that. And, and I know that guy. You know, this is real. There’s a live person at the end of these things.
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And you drew the trifecta, the, for those of you that don’t know what that is, it’s a part of Wyoming super tag raffle. They, they raffle one individual species tag for all species, which are bighorn sheep, elk, goat, moose, you know, bison, deer, elk, cantaloupe, all those. But then they also have a trifecta, which you can apply. It’s $30 per choice there. And you are the one guy drawn for that. And so that allows you to pick three species. And I remember texting you, and I think it turned into a call later that day, just ’cause you were probably, your phone was probably blowing up, but, but you were the guy. But then I remember you told me, and I hadn’t heard yet, but you had, you had an additional tag already. You’d already drawn a sheep tag after 19, 20 years, you’d drawn in the regular draw, right?
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Yeah, yeah. No, I had a, I had a, I’d already drawn a sheet tag
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In Wyoming. We’re Wyoming talking about Wyoming. Yeah. So,
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Oh yeah, yeah. No, I, I, and I knew I had enough points drawn. I thought that was a good year to do it. And, and so I went ahead and, and cashed my points in and, and drawn that tag. And so I was actually on my family vacation out of like area where I don’t have good service that week in July. But before I was leaving on Friday, I got an email that was kind of odd that said, stay tuned Monday, exciting news coming. And it was like, from the state of Wyoming, I thought, I dunno what that is, you know, and I I I didn’t even know what it was. It was just an odd email. Yeah. You know, and I thought, huh. But it was kind of specific and
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I never thought anything about it. Like maybe, maybe I thought was to you only and not to the Yeah. 150,000 other people, right? Yeah,
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Yeah, yeah. Exactly. But I thought, nah. And, and, and so went to, and I happened to be by my phone. We were at, we were in Health Canyon and there’s not good service there. And, and on Monday, and I saw, I had a call and, but I was busy in conversation and playing with the kids and, and recreating and, and it was from Wyoming Fish and Game. And, but I know I had bad service and so I didn’t even take the call. I mean, I never thought anything about it. I mean, I, I thought, and then I started thinking, man, maybe was, where’d I grow that, honestly, what I was thinking, this is kind of funny, I was like, we’re already on a sheet tag. Maybe they have leftover gear tags that they’re trying to sell. I mean, I don’t know. I mean, I never even never even thought of this.
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Probably forgot you’d even bought, bought tickets. I mean, we, you did this probably like we do. You you bought one $30 Choice. Wow.
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One, yeah, when I was checking out, you
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Know, I was, when you’re doing your regular sheep app, you Yeah. You can apply ’em for ’em the same time. The deadline is a little later July 2nd this year. But yeah, you just added it on like we do in a lot of other state raffles. Yeah,
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Exactly. Wow. That’s exactly what I did. And then moved on and never even thought about it. So Tuesday I had to come in for work and as soon as I, I hit like Baker City, my phone started blowing up with all these messages to call, I thought, what would they want me to call for? And this was from Wyoming Game and Fish. And I’m like, man, I don’t know. So, you know, I I, they
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Better not take my sheep tag from me. They better not be having to die off and they need my sheep tag back and something weird.
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So I, I came, yeah, I came and took care of business and finally called like late morning. And, you know, I says, I’m calling for Scott and, and who’s the director of Wyoming Fish and Game. I, I have a message called. And she’s like, who’s this? And I told her and she’s like, Hmm, is he expecting you to call? I says, I don’t know. I said, he called me. I said, he’s left a couple messages, I don’t know. She says, well, he’s not here, I’ll have him call you. And I’m like, okay, no problem. You know, so hung up and, and did my work and headed out about, you know, one that afternoon, two that afternoon and was fueling up. And I got a call from Wyoming Ski Fish. And, and his name was Glen Pauley. And Glen, who actually became a good friend, I mean, very accommodating in helping through everything. Anyway, Glen called and, and he’s active. I think his, I’m not sure his, his, but I think he’s director of communications. Does that sound right?
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Yeah, he’s, but, but PR and yeah. A lot of that type of stuff, I believe. Yep.
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Yeah. Yeah. So he, you know, he called and he says, oh, talk to me and a little small talk. I said, well, did you have a good conversation with Scott? And I’m like, I haven’t talked to anybody. And, and he was like,
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You don’t know why we’re calling you.
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And he Yeah, that’s what he said. He says, I never get, do this part. And I says, Nope, I don’t have any idea why you’re calling. And he says, do you know what the trifecta is? I says, no, I really don’t. He says, do you remember buying a ticket? And I’m like, no, what
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Are we talking about? Yeah,
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Yeah. I really don’t. He says, well, you drew the trifecta tag. And he told me what it was, and I was like, holy smoke. You’re like, whoa. And at that time,
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Yeah,
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Yeah, I was, yeah, I was, I was like, unbelievable. And I says, well, I’m gonna throw a little ringer in here. I, I says, man, does, can I hunt two sheep? Yeah. And he’s like, no, you, you gotta pick one of each species. You can’t pick two sheep. And I says, no, what if I told you I already have a Wyoming sheep tag? And there was just like a long pause and he’s like, you’ve gotta be kidding me. Oh, I’ve already gone a Wyoming.
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I remember when I talked to you, that was my first question. ’cause I knew, you know, no, I, you know, I’d met you and Dan Blankenship had his Utah rocky tag. You came down and, you know, I knew you loved sheep and I knew you were gonna wanna shoot too. And that was one of the first questions I had is, are they gonna let you hunt the regular draw? And this, and, and I don’t you tell us what he said. Did they have to double check that? Probably. I’m sure never had that happen. But he told you immediately. Yeah,
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He, yeah, he said immediately he says, absolutely no, he said, you’ll be like the first to do that. He says, this is great. You know, and, and so I says, well, I can tell you it’s sheep for sure.
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You know? Yeah. That’s one of the three. Yeah. And then how did you go through the, as this starts sinking in, how did you go through the, I mean, I think you’d just killed a big mountain goat the year before you’d drawn Oregon, hadn’t you? Just like the year before. So that one was kind of, yeah. You know, most people don’t need more than maybe one or two, especially if you kill a big one like you did, you’re like all I killed a big mountain goat. So that one, how did you go through that process of elimination of all the other species and what you, you know, moose and bison and deer and elk and Yeah. How did, how’d you come to the other two in your mind? Or how long did it take? That’s an
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Excellent question. A long time. I mean, right away my second one was decided it’s ’cause it’s kind of funny. So then I, I have to drive back to Health Canyon and I’m like, oh my gosh, here I go again. I gotta explain to my wife I’m hunting more. I mean, how am I gonna do this? ’cause the year before, I had to drive back to Health Canyon and explain to her that my daughter had drawn an Arizona desert sheet sheet tag at, you know, I remember 12 years of
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Age. I remember that. Yeah. She was, yeah, young.
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Yeah. Yeah, young. So I’m thinking, here I go again, I gotta explain it that I’m gonna be gone even more,
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I have to use that word once in a lifetime again to my wife, you know?
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That’s exactly it. But anyway, I had already taken moose in Wyoming, and it was her favorite table. Fair.
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Your wife’s, she just
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Loved eating it. Yeah, yeah. The wife. So instantly, she, soon as I told her I can pick, she says, well, you’re shooting another moose. I’m like, oh, there’s number two. Okay, right
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There. All right. Well, that involved her too, and lessened the sting maybe of, I’ve gotta go to Wyoming and kill four great animals, honey, I, I’ll see you in a month or whatever, you know, it’s like, well, I’m gonna bring you home moose. And that’s that. So that’s a concession. So how did you get, come to the third? What was That was the hard one, I guess. Huh?
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That was a hard one. It really was. You know, I, I’m a sheep hunter, her heart, but if there’s a second one, it’s, it’s elk. So finally I just, just stayed on the, the elk and, and chose it. You know, I, they have so many species I could choose from. The bison was really intriguing. And I was really looking at it, in my mind, I thought it’d be easy to, ’cause once I figured this out, that logistically this was gonna be difficult for, for a, a, a family man with, with two active kids and, and businesses and and
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Such. And you’d drawn your first sheep tag in, in a wilderness area in western Wyoming. So I, I believe you’d had an outfit already booked for that. I mean, you had to. Yeah. Essentially. Right? ’cause you, you know, non-residents have to hire somebody there if you don’t have a resident relative or friend or something. So that, that was already done back in early May, you’d already, you know Yeah. Done that. And so now you’re like, ah, how do I do this, Jess, I’ve got another sheep. Do I shoot two in the same U unit or do I spread it out or do one with the elk? So yeah, talk us through. Yeah. Your head was spinning. It’s a good problem to have. Yeah. And this was one of those, you know, I remember when we talked, I said, Hey Ross, you’re gonna, you know, I invited you to do a story and write up because I says, this is gonna be something people have never read about ever before.
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You know? Yeah. Killing two sheep in the same state on draw tags the same year. Like that can’t ever happen in the same state. I mean, it could, I mean, you could draw California big horn in a ca a desert big horn in a state like Nevada, you know, I mean, it could happen, but I don’t think it ever has happened. No. Now, maybe for resident Nevada. So I’m sure if somebody’s out there listening, don’t say, I don’t know what I’m talking about. But a non-resident drawn two sheep tags in the same state in the same year. I mean, different methods. One, a regular draw, one a super raffle, still unbelievable. So anyway, how did you, you know, yeah, so you’re gonna have to have some help. Some of the biggest elk live in wilderness, obviously most of the sheep units that you can hunt. ’cause there are a few exceptions. You can’t hunt units, I believe, with less than like eight sheep tags. So you can’t go self-guided to unit 19 or, you know, 20 or 22. Some of those you can’t, or you can’t do some of those, you know, unit 12 and the big horns. You can’t do those. They don’t have enough to go there and do those on your own. So yeah, you’re, you’re head’s spinning. And how did you proceed to get all this set up?
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Well, you know, first, my, my first hunt was I’d already booked with Bob Barlow, Barlow outfitting, you know, I had loose hunt with Bob, and he was, I liked his demeanor, and he was easygoing. And, and he always had good, good horses and good gear. And so I was pretty comfortable with my first, with him, you know, so that was in, and, and that was in unit seven, right? Outta Jackson.
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Okay.
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And anyway, so I went in August and let me, let me answer your first question. So the other one, I, I just thought, I, I thought moose. I mean, I’m just gonna head to unit 38. That’s where everyone says the moose are. I mean, I’m just gonna head down there in the snowy and check it out over Labor Day and, and shoot me a moose. It’s gonna be easy. I thought there’ll be no problem with that. The next sheep and elk. I thought, in my mind, I thought I’ll just do ’em together. In heck, it can’t be that hard. So, so that’s kind of how I thought it. And you know, I had a lot of people that called me, you know, when I grew, you know, from Wyoming that I didn’t know. But one fellow that I talked to several times was Josh Lio from Shoshone Lodge Outfitters. Yeah. And, and Josh, he was the most calm. I mean, everyone’s all, you know, this, this, and Josh was more, he took a little different route, which I was really very appreciative. He just said, bottom line, he says, basically, I got your back. He says, you, you don’t need to worry about anything. He says, I’m offering my services. If you need me, call me. He says, I’ll accommodate you any way I can. But he never pushed or, or never tried to pin me down or like
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That line up, all three guided hunts or anything like that. That was it.
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Nothing. He just said, I got got you back. You need me for anything you call. So I thought, wow. Yeah, because I know, I mean, he kills a lot of big rams. Yeah. You know, but he, he has a big time outfit. So I thought, all right. So I went in August bow hunting for my first Ram with Bob, and his guide was, was John Riley. And had a great hunt with them. Killed a ram like on my fifth day. And so, man, I was right on track Labor Day. I headed to s snowy
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September 1st is I was just, yeah. Is when the rifle, some of the rifle sheep open up and the moose, well, moose would be archery on September 1st, I guess, right? Yeah. So,
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Right. Yeah. Yeah. So, and, and, and I just, you know, I, I mean, I did a lot of due diligence. I mean, it is like, I just drove there blind. I mean, I called everyone. I, I got names and, and, and talked to tons of people, had a plan, was gonna stay in Centennial and hung out of there. What I wasn’t anticipating, I mean, people told me it was kind of crazy Labor day weekend around there, but it was nothing like I thought I, I’ve never seen the
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Campers and recreator, not hunters necessarily campers, just people, yeah. Out, you know, had a three day weekend.
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That was the most quads I’ve ever seen side by
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Side. I dunno. Have you been to Utah on the General Deere hunt before? No, I, no. Or maybe Oregon General Deere in places is like the same, but it sounds like it’s nothing like what, what you experienced there. But anyway, so yeah, you’re, you’re raring to go opening weekend and you’re like, holy cow, these moose got stuff buzzing around them everywhere
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They did. And there was a lot going on. I mean, it was, it, it was hard. And, and I mean, it was hard to find even a moose. I mean, it, it was difficult. Finally turned up a bull on my last day and wasn’t able to get him stuck. So, got him, got that one done.
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So both with the bow so far, the archery ram and unit seven and the archery, archery moose. And so, all right, two out of the way within the first week of September. So now you got, now you got your right second sheep and a, and a bull, an elk. So,
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Yeah, exactly. And, and I really, I can’t say at that time, I had a plan. I mean, I, I really didn’t, I came back in Archie Hunt, Oregon and Idaho for elk and, and, and some commitments I had and got those. And, and I, I really, I really didn’t have a plan. So there, I went and called, called Josh, just here’s where I’m at. And, and, and Josh had hunters, and he told me to come like later October, you know, and he says, come, you know, on, like, can’t remember what the date was, but, you know, definitely October 23rd, 24, somewhere in there. Come and, and we’ll get it, get it done, you know? And, and so I, I headed to Josh and, and met him there at the lodge. And, and he still had a, an elk hunter or two. So I, I helped him with that for a day, just riding with him and checking things out and, and then we, we started sheep hunting and man, we, it was, it wasn’t your normal sheep hunt from the standpoint that usually, like I was hunting unit three one day, then I’d hunting unit two the
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Next day. Yeah. You don’t really care where you end up or camp. No. It’s just, we’re riding in the mountains west of Cody.
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Yeah, exactly. That’s all we’re doing is riding. And usually you, you ride in and he would set up a camp. Well, where we had the flexibility. We were day riding. And so good thing the days were short. ’cause I mean, we, we put in a lot of, a lot of miles and we were climbing a lot and, and we were just, we were working pretty hard. Josh was, was pushing pretty hard, you know, and, and we finally found a ram in, in unit two that, that we talked about a long time and, and, and figured we’d kill him. He, he was a, not your, not your typical Wyoming ram. He, he had a lot more flare, a little more mass than normal, but just not the boxy look, you know, just a little, little different for a, a Wyoming ram. And in hindsight, we probably should’ve killed him that night, but we were in pretty sickly invested grizzly country.
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So we, we, we just watched him, put him to bed, backed out, went in the next day and found him a little farther around in the cliff and, and put a, put a stock on him and got close enough to shoot. Talked about it for a while. And, and he moved a couple times. We moved a couple times, and, and finally this was it. We’re, we’re gonna, we’re gonna shoot him. And we were just talking about it and kind of getting the pack set up and, and to shoot. And then a grizz, a grizz charged us.
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Oh, I remember this story. Yeah. You heard, you heard it huffing or what did you first hear?
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Yeah, he was wolfing and huffing and just blur. And here he comes. I mean, and he was coming in a hurry. And so we’re, we’re scrambling, you know, like crazy. There were four of us. He had a wrangler, him and then an assistant guide and, and me. So we were scrambling like crazy. And I had the rifle in my hand from where I was getting over the packs for to shoot, and they were diving for bear spray and we were screaming, Hey bear, hey bear, hey bear. And like, like Josh was it, it was getting, he was 10 yards, eight yards. And then he just stopped and, and blew out as quick as he was there. I mean, it was Wow. It, it was pretty intense. Well,
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10 yards. Yeah. Yeah. No gunshots, huh? No rams,
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No, no gunshots. And, but those rams, they didn’t like all that ruckus. Yeah, they didn’t like that at all.
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They, and they were within, they wa they were three, 400 yard. I mean, they’re 30 close. Yeah.
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Three, 400 yards, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it was, it was, it was it kill,
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You know? Geez. Yeah,
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It was, yeah.
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So they bust running the timber and then it’s dark or whatever that night and it’s done.
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Yeah. Yeah. So blew those rams pretty high and around. And so we had to drop back out of the rocks and, and go back down lower and relocate ’em and make a stock. And conditions were less than ideal with the mountain winds. And, and man, when he finally, and they were nervous anyway, and they winded us. And when they winded us, that time was over. I don’t know where they went. They went a long ways. Yeah, it was over, the game was over.
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Geez. So you’re getting pretty deep, I mean, for, for the listeners don’t realize the October 31st, is it? Right? Yeah. That’s, that’s when sheep season ends. So you’re getting pretty deep, deep late October here.
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Yeah, we, we were, you know, and, and, but, so we went back to unit three the next day and, and went back up in there and looked all around and right at dark way, way up in the nosebleeds, in, in some real deep snow. We, we saw a group of rams with a ram that, that Josh had some, some history with. He suspected it was long ways and it got dark on us. So we rode out that night and then rode back in, in the, the morning. Then when I say riding back in, you know, it’s a two and a half, three and a half hour ride. It’s, yeah, it’s a pretty good little ride. And, and, and so we got back in there just about daylight and couldn’t find those rams anywhere. And, and so we rode a little closer and couldn’t find the Rams anywhere.
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And so finally Josh just said, you know, it’s time to hike and so we’ll just go get on their tracks and, and track ’em. That’s what Josh and I did. And the, the Wrangler and the, the other guy stayed with the horses and we went and hit those tracks and, and started tracking ’em through that old burnt timber. And he said in the box canyon, he, he’d never been in there, but he looked at a lot. And, and the snow was just, just right at our, over our knees, you know, mid, mid thigh. Yeah. I mean, we were postal digging going through there, wearing
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You out too, walking that stuff
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And Yeah. Oh, I was, and I, I mean, I won’t, I was wore out from 60 days of hunting. I mean, and, but it was, I thought, holy smokes, this is, we’re committed. Yeah. I
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Mean, he, it’s
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All in. Yeah, Josh was confident. Yeah. He was like, we’re, we’ll track him. And we, we just stayed on those tracks and we’d gone long ways and went around into a little draw and all of a sudden, I don’t know what made Josh look up, but he looked up and those rams were bedded 50 yards above us, just staring at us.
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Really? Wow.
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Couldn’t believe it. Yeah. All picked out the big one, that real dark chocolate ram and shot ’em at 50 yards. Wow.
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You know? Well that’s, that was it. That’s pretty awesome. I, I remember the pictures there. I mean, it was, you guys were like, bundled up. Of course it was late, late October, late in the hump snow. I mean, it just kind of, it wreaked of back country, Wyoming sheep hunting right there. It wasn’t the green grass, the sun shining and all that. It didn’t, didn’t make of that. It was, you knew you had, you know, the story you just told it pretty much told that story Well, when we ran it and whatnot, so That’s awesome. So you got him out that day. Another great ram, really heavy, heavy ram classic, you know, look, at least as far as I’m concerned, as far as Wyoming Ram goes. Yeah. And
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Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Beautiful.
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And, and so then you, you get outta there. And did you, did you immediately stay, did you say, all right, let’s switch gears now, or did you go home, you had an elk tag left, and what was your plan? Yeah, then
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No, Josh, we went back to the logs there on the river and packed our gear and headed to his home in Cody and got in late and said, well cut in the morning. He says that we’ll go to a place that, that, you know, typically the bulls, it’s more of a winter deal where they come in there out of Cody and, and, and so we, we drove in a pickup this time, no hor no horses, and, and went up in there and he was talking as we’re go going in there. It, it was a long old drive. He was saying, how, you know, when you come back, we’ll, we’ll go with snowmobiles and, and sometimes you gotta off the road to try to get in here, you know, and it’s a, it’s a walk, I mean a, a walk. And, and I’m like, holy smokes. He was showing me there. And I was thinking to myself, man, when I come back next time I thought these other hunts were tough. This next one’s gonna be really tough.
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Yeah.
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I thought, wow. So we, we pulled up there and like he said, he says, I, I don’t really know what to expect. He says, I really never been in here quite this early. Well, it was kind of funny. It was just three of us today to, and, and so we got outta the truck and gather our gear and hiked up the mountain and, and kind of went around and first bull Josh spotted was, was, was the bull I ended up shooting. We really
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What
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Talked about it for a long time, and yeah. Oh
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Cow. He,
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Yeah. And, and it was a long ways. He was a long ways away, long ways. I mean, I’m, I’m mostly in archery. Hunter had hadn’t shot a bull with a rifle for years. And man, this bull was a long ways away. And Josh was like, we’re just gonna shoot him right here. And man, he was confident to be, and he laid his gun down there and whipped a couple things on that scope out, put this level down and says, aim right on him. And, and, and one shot, and the bull rolls down the mountain for me. I was pretty
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Impressed, like, oh, this rival hunting’s not that bad.
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Yeah, no, I thought that’s pretty, pretty good. So anyway, we ended up getting that bull and, and then brought horses in and, and got ’em out that day and, and I was headed back to Oregon the next day.
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Wow. Well that’s pretty awesome. For a, I don’t know, roughly a week or maybe slightly less than a week, right on that return sheet punt elk hunt. Yeah. Combo. Yeah. I mean, geez. Yeah,
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It was, yeah, it was like seven, yeah, like seven days. I mean he, yeah, it was pretty impressive
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And a great bull. I mean, tell us a little bit about the bull, really wide bull. Yeah. You know, really wide impressive beams and widespread inside spread and all that. I mean, just a great bull. It’s not like you just shot a bull to say, Hey, let’s be done with this. It was a, it was an awesome bull too.
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No, yeah, no, it was, he was a big old bull old and, and just thick, thick neck and, and a heck of a, a really nice bull. He might even been down on his down, you know, he touch over three 70 and just had a lot of character and it’s a bull that, you know, you couldn’t, not that I’d pass him up anyway, but yeah, he didn’t, it was caught me and do it very much,
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Even though it was the first bull you saw elk hunting, so to speak. You know, you’ve, that’s, yeah, you, you’ve seen enough elk, you know, that’s a bull you better kill. So
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That’s, yeah, exactly.
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Pretty dang. Awesome. So what, what else about, I mean, this is a whirlwind two months, I mean, more or less a little over from the start of August. What 15th is that opening day on your first sheep hunt, I believe? Or was it Yeah, yeah. August 15th.
00:30:36:04 –> 00:31:44:04
No, it might’ve even been first. I can’t remember. I can’t remember if that one was August 1st or not. Yeah, I, I went like, I went real early in August, you know. Yeah. The weather was warm and it was neat that I gotta see different country unit seven was really big mountains that were not as rocking, but more tempered up with, with real nice, just nice beautiful country. Tons of mule deer. Just, just really neat to see it. And then did the go see unit two and unit three was fun for the sheep, you know? Yeah, it was, it was fun to see different areas, but no, it, i, I tell you that Glen Paulie and I dealt with, he was, he was just so instrumental in everything. He was always, always would answer my call, help with everything, gimme contacts, you know, the wildlife biologist that he would work with when the different regions and anything I needed, I mean, they were very good. Q u provided me my gear that I had wore for the hunts and, and, and it, I can’t say enough about the gear because man, I, I was wearing it in
00:31:44:07 –> 00:31:46:04
Anyway. You just got more of it August.
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Yeah, August I was wearing it and then I’d be wearing it in the end of October and when the wind was beating you up, up there in the snow, you know, so I was real, real appreciative of, of them, them there at q u.
00:31:59:15 –> 00:32:46:10
Well, yeah, that’s, that’s great. And we, we love the gear for the same reason, the versatility and the wide range, you know, from early season stuff, the lighter weight, lighter weight stuff to the, you know, it’s, you know, lightweight, but layered system that’s hard to beat, rain gear, top to bottom, everything. So they’ve been a great sponsor here for us as well. And I know, I think since the year you drew and every year since they’ve had a q u gear package for the winter of a few of the super tags, the, the trifecta and then I think the sheep and elk and goat, you know, more of the, maybe more the mountain hunts. I don’t think they do it for the antelope and, and whatnot. Not that, I guess you can’t wear hue in on antelope, but you know what I’m saying, it’s more designed for the mountain hunter and they can pro, they can’t, you know, can’t make, you know, gear like they do that isn’t versatile for all hunts, but I think those are the ones that they give away.
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So appreciate them being a sponsorship of this podcast as well. And that’s awesome. They gave you that stuff. So what, what, tell about some of the speci, did you have to even pay permit fees after you won the trifecta for people that maybe have a question? Yeah, you still had to buy those just as if you drew out essentially, so, yep, yep. You had to buy another sheep tag and I guess an elk tag, maybe just the standard price one. I didn’t probably make you buy the special. So six, 600 something for that. And then a moose tag at the time, probably 1400, but still, I mean for, you know, a $30 chance, she said you only did once, she had three incredible species for, you know, roughly 4,000 bucks in permit fees after that. In terms of, you know, and you, like I said, equivalent of 20 years waiting on a sheep tag and, well, 38 unit, 38 moose, the same thing. It’s, you know, a long, long way. So pretty awesome. What would you, have you ever won another raffle type hunt? I mean, you described you’ve been playing the draws a lot, you know, for 20, 25 years. Is this the only extracurricular raffle type hunt you’ve ever won?
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It is, yep. Yeah,
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It is. I I assume though it’s not the first time you ever put one in nor the last right. For whether it be Wyoming or other states, so
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Yeah, no, I, I always, especially when they pop up on the screen like that, I, I always seem to put my name in the hat.
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Yeah. It’s, it’s hard. They, they’re getting good at it too. You know, this, this day and age with, whether it be their Facebook or Instagram or whether it be print mag in the magazine like Epic Outdoors or the emails, like you said, it’s, it’s hard not to, especially this time of years, we’re getting, you know, for the most part, a lot more unsuccessful notices in our office here than we are successful. We’re getting a few good, a few good things, but you kinda running out of options. And so not that these are things you plan your fall around, but you apply for ’em and forget about it. Like, like you did, you didn’t even know what a trifecta was after, after you won it. So tell you want it again. Yeah. So, well, and tell us, I mean, we might as well bring up, I, I know last year your dad had some great luck as well and I I you too, but I mean, your dad kind of flip flopped the roles and your family as far as the, the good fortune. Tell us a little bit about a couple of awesome hunts he had last year.
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Yeah, yeah, he did. No, it was his turn last year. He drew a Colorado moose tag in unit six and we had a, a tremendous hunt there. And then he drew an Arizona desert bighorn sheep tag in the unit right next to the one that, that Avery had had a couple years previous. So we gotta go back and basically camp almost in the same location we’d camped before and gotta see that country game and, and dad was able to complete his grand slam with that, that desert Ram too. Yeah. So that, that made it, we had, yeah, we had a great, great year.
00:35:49:16 –> 00:36:09:14
That’s pretty awesome. Yeah, no, it killed an awesome ram with Eric Hunt and the Scott brothers and the guys there at Arizona Desert Outfitters took care of you guys down there and yeah, your dad killed, killed a great moose too in beautiful in Colorado. Big bull. I don’t remember, did he have the rifle or did he, did he go muzzled or did he, or did he get the rifle hunt? He,
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He did a rifle. Yep. Did he did a rifle. Yeah.
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Yeah. Well those are two, two awesome animals and killed an awesome sheep course. You know, we all heard about that one too, when he got it. And it’s always a little bit extra special when, you know, in this case it’s your dad. But even, you know, myself, when I get a company, other hunters, when you hear of somebody drawing and it’s that fourth and final ram of their, you know, long awaited quest, it’s pretty, it’s extra special. So that was, that was awesome. You gotta go down there with him. He took an awesome legendary ram down there, you know, so killed an awesome sheep. Yeah. How about, how about this year? You got, you guys done any, any ma anything major this year in the draws? Been good to you so far? Nope.
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Nope. We have not, not drawn a tag at
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All. So yeah, well there’s pretty
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Quiet,
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There’s still a few things remaining, but yeah, we are kind of, we’re running out of options. You got, I guess, Oregon up there. Of course you’ve drawn your goat and your sheep, so I mean, it’s gonna, you know, yeah, I don’t know. There’s not, as far as the big stuff, maybe got some elk and deer stuff in, in the running in other states as well, some sheep draws, but, well, I appreciate you taking time with us today, Russ. I mean, more than anything, it’s just a really cool feel good story. We appreciated you back at the time, you know, documenting it and taking much of cool photos and doing a story for us in one of our, I guess our inaugural January issue where we, we started back in our magazine business for ourselves opening up Epic Outdoors. You did a great article there and we appreciate you doing that.
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We put you on the cover with your Wyoming your, your rifle Ram, and so appreciate you doing that for us. This is just too good of a story not to tell. We wanted to, you know, thank the folks at Wyoming, the game and fish, and if you’re interested in buying Super Hunt tickets for Wyoming, you can go online to wd.w.gov and then back slash Epic outdoors. Again, super tag tickets are $10 per ticket for the individual species, or $30 for the Triag facta. The deadline to apply is July 2nd, Russ is, is proof it happens. Good things happen. And just an epic story of, of two sheep in one state. I I’m waiting to hear the next, the next story of that, how that might happen somewhere, but I don’t know if it ever will. That was pretty cool. Well, hey Russ, since we’re talking about sheep, let’s, let’s talk about our stone sheep hunt giveaway real, real quick. You have a unique connection there and that you’ve hunted with, with outfitter Luke Vince, who were given away a stone sheep hunt right now through June 19th, you can buy tickets. So let’s dive into that. Let’s talk about some of your experiences up there with Luke. I
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Went with Luke twice. I went like the very second year
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He got
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It. They ever had it. Yeah. And
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Was he still getting to know it? I had the
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Best hunt of my life.
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Oh, did you? Yeah. Did you, you say you went twice, did it take twice to kill your ram or, or It did. Oh, did it, it did.
00:39:07:26 –> 00:39:16:07
He, they had the darnedest thing going when they first started when they got that from the eighties. Yeah. And Tom, you know, you know Tom, his dad.
00:39:17:08 –> 00:39:23:29
Yeah, I’ve met him at the, at one of the shows or something once. But anyway, so he was with you on the hunt?
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No, Luke was my guy down in that first time. I went from October 1st to October 15th. Oh geez. 15 days. And we just kept looking for the holy grail ram. Yeah. We, we saw like a, I don’t even wanna throw a number out there, but we saw over a hundred grams. I mean wow. We, and we were in snow and just unbelievable what we weathered and we would move and, and he was young and he’s still young, but I mean, he was young and he could climb and I, I mean, we just kept looking for a ram that would just knock your socks off, you know what I mean? And we never found a ram. And, and so the way Tom had set that hunt up was, was you had a mountain goat, a moose and a ram hunt. Okay. If you did not get a ram, you could cut, he’d bring you back. Yeah. I mean, it was a hell of a deal.
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And he kind kind of does that still. He only takes three hundreds a year, and the first hunt, he’ll more or less guarantee you a sheep, you know? I mean, or he’ll have you back. Yeah. I mean he’s, I mean, that’s pretty much what he’s been doing here in Tourin. He has that other Indian concession, like Atch or something. He only hunts every like three or four years. He says That’s a butt kicker. It’s, it’s rougher. Yeah. You know, that’s right. I’m looking at it closer now that bottom of that side profile, Luke’s got the cool shades on and the blue shirt. I mean, there you’re, so yeah. So what year would that have been? What year
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That was 2014, like 2014. Oh, okay. Like the first time I went, the first time I went with Luke, I mean, he was like eight 18 18th. Is that this hunt I’m telling you about?
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Oh, okay.
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Anyway, if you killed a moose or a goat, his deal was before you killed your ram, the, the deal was null and void. Right. I mean, it was, it was, it was a bad deal. You couldn’t, you couldn’t shoot one. Okay. He didn’t want, they’re so far. Yeah. Yeah. They’re, and I, I’m a sheep hunter. I mean, I don’t care about the others. Yeah. And, and, and they’re so far north. Their moose are big. Oh
00:41:32:03 –> 00:41:35:01
Yeah, they are. They’re right south of the Yukon border. Yeah.
00:41:35:17 –> 00:41:37:22
Oh yeah. Yeah. They’re big. So anyway, those
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Territories I guess or whatever, right, right there. But,
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But on, on the hunt, we lost the ponies got away one night, you know, and I mean, I, and so he, and they went clear back, I mean like 20 miles. I mean, and Luke went and he says, you know, I don’t expect you not to hunt today, but he, he’s like, just don’t shoot in the legal ram. You know? I mean, because because we got to know each other after that long. So, so I climbed the mountain and hunted all day and had a, had a great day, got back and was snowing and I was taking care of starting a fire in the tent, and I heard grunt and I, I walked outside and, and the biggest moose because I, I mean, I, I was seeing like 1 95, 200 inch moose all the time. I mean, I was seeing big moose, right? Yeah. I mean, book moose and, and this moose though, I can’t even tell you, it was like five brow times on each one and Oh, like 16 by 17, I mean, he was so big and he was, I mean, he’s 30 yards from me with a cow
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Out your tent, you know?
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Yeah. I’m like,
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Did you pound him? Did you pound him? Oh,
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This is funny. No, I get it. But I, in my mind, I could, you know, I, I’ve killed a Wyoming, you know, I’m like, smoosh doesn’t look my finger. I could have that thing worked all the way over by the time he gets home. I mean, there’s no way. Who knows, I can have that done, but I’m not, yeah.
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I don’t want,
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So I, I didn’t Go ahead.
00:42:55:18 –> 00:43:09:26
Yeah. I didn’t want to Yeah, you didn’t want to alter your, the structure of your cheap hunt contract and pricing and how, what’s it gonna do? And hey, well now it’s easier to just go home and hey, you killed the giant moose and we’re not hunting sheep anymore. Yeah. But anyway, yeah. So he didn’t do it, so he,
00:43:09:26 –> 00:43:58:25
He, no. So Luke rolls in that night late. I’m mad. I’m, I’m fixing him dinner, you know? I mean, he is beat up and, and I take, you know, doing what I can, you know, you, like I say, he’s an 18 year old kid, so he is kind of, kind of sultry a little bit little. Yeah, yeah. I mean, kind of can get chippy. How’s that? Yeah. Especially when he’s fatigued. Yeah. And so I’m like, Hey man, you know, and I, you see this moose I saw today, I mean Luke, it’s way bigger than the one we saw the other day. I said, Luke, it’s the biggest thing. I said, it’s giant. And he, you know, he’s not even listening to me. Yeah. So the next day we go hunt and come back same at the same time. We’re tying the horses up. And I told Luke, I says, there’s that moose I was telling you about Luke right there, Luke. Luke goes and he says, kill him. I says, what? He says, kill ’em. I says, okay. So I’m like, yeah, count again. I says, I wanna make sure I don’t give,
00:43:59:08 –> 00:44:02:16
Can we still hunt sheep? We we’re hunting sheep still, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
00:44:02:16 –> 00:44:14:28
Yeah. Right. And he, he says, you know, I can’t promise that Russ that’s with you and dad. I’m like, I’m not killing that moose. And he’s like, Russ, you don’t know what you’re doing. He says, you gotta kill that moose. And I says, I’m not killing that moose if I can’t sheep.
00:44:15:18 –> 00:44:16:03
Oh yeah.
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I told man, he is like, you just, you don’t know what you’re doing and come find out. He, he was right. I should have pounded that damn moose. Right. ’cause I probably, you know, I mean we can’t even put a number on it.
00:44:28:11 –> 00:44:35:08
Canadian Yeah, Canadian technically, but it’s right up on the Yeah. You know, northern BC line, so Oh
00:44:35:08 –> 00:44:50:13
Yeah. 65 wa I mean he, I mean he’s a two 40 plus movie Canadian and you know, probably, oh my goodness. Probably world record, you know, he’s like, that’s that’s a world record movie. He said, you could sell that to Cabela’s, you could sell it, get replicas made. And he said, you’ll pay for another, you know, he, he,
00:44:50:14 –> 00:44:53:24
You’re like, I want a stone sheet. That’s what I’m here for.
00:44:53:25 –> 00:44:59:07
Yeah. That’s, that’s all I’m here for is that ramp. So anyway, I I did not shoot him.
00:44:59:15 –> 00:45:11:01
That’s a cool story. So on your trip, I guess a year or two later, you, you came back and did a, did a hunt with Luke this time. Was it earlier? Yeah, earlier in the hunt. Same area. Yeah, but earlier. Yeah,
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Earlier. Yeah. Yeah. Earlier. And it was, it, I mean it just, Mel it’s not physically difficult country a lot mellower, like a lot of, you know, British Columbias. Yeah. But yeah, a lot of Rams. The bugs are that you were in tents, you know,
00:45:27:08 –> 00:45:55:18
Was that 2014? That’s when I was up there, yeah. Oh, I, I’ve never seen mosquitoes in my life, like BC and maybe they’re always like that, but it was unbelievable. You’d cook your mountain house outside your tent and you couldn’t eat it. Yeah. You had to dive in your tent and first kill every mosquito that got inside your tent while you’re zipper and you were climbing in and before you could just enjoy your meal. And there’s, if you had any di any in there, you better kill ’em before you went to bed. ’cause it annihilate you during the night. So it was
00:45:55:25 –> 00:46:00:15
Nuts. Yeah, no, it was, it, it, it was unbelievable. Like nothing I’ve ever encountered me too before
00:46:00:15 –> 00:46:11:06
Or after. Yep. That was the same year. Interesting. Maybe had a weird hat. Yeah. So you, you killed, I don’t know, on that hunt. Fast forward, tell us just a few of the highlights on that. Might as well pry that outta you too, so
00:46:11:24 –> 00:46:21:00
Yeah, yeah, no, I, I, I killed him on day five, man. We were climbing and looking and, and getting to see not as many rams as I saw on late, you know, in October.
00:46:21:10 –> 00:46:23:24
Were you in August? Plenty of Rams. August. This this year. Yeah,
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I was in August. First time. First time. Yeah. And finally found this ram. We were actually riding into a place to climb and I was on the pony and happened to look over, I was, was tall enough I could see over stuff and I told Luke, I says, there’s a band of Rams up on that mountain. I says, there’s a good one in there. And he’s like, are you sure? I’m like, yeah, he’s a good one, I’m telling you. And so we got in a little spot where we could look up there and we had no place. We actually, we had to bottom stock him. We had to come in from the bottom on him and had shot him at 60 yards. He was, there was like 11 ramps, you know. Awesome. But he was a big heavy, heavy base ramp, like over 14, not quite 15, but like 14 and a half and 39 long. I mean he Oh, like one
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60?
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Yeah. 3, 1 64 ram. I mean, just a nice, real nice ramp. That’s
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An awesome ram. Absolutely. Well that’s, that’s exact hunt we’re giving away. I mean it’s the second hunt this year. We’re, that’s the same exact area you’ve been. So for any of you listeners that are interested, you’ve got till June 19th to buy tickets for that stone Sheep hunt, British Columbia, Luke, Vince, same place. Russ here has been so, you know, either $25 gets you in or five tickets for a hundred or 10 tickets for 200 bucks and you get an outdoor edge epic series knife. So appreciate you adding that to us. Yeah, it was a good hunt. That’s awesome. Yeah, that’s, that’s where it’s at. So this August can’t, can’t be extended. So as you can attest, somebody’s gonna have an awesome hunt on their hands. Well I appreciate you spending a little bit more time talking to us about that and that’s awesome. So I had, we’ve had some other, other close friends of ours hunt there in 15, 16, kills some great rams, like I said, only takes three hundreds a year there.
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Each of them get a 14 day hunt first to the 14th and then ours is like the 16th to the 29th, I believe of August. This August. So got a chance to win just like, just like you did then the trifecta. So anyway, yeah, somebody’s gonna get a great help. No, a good deal. So. Well we appreciate it. Thanks a lot. Thanks for your time and good luck with the remaining draws this year and tell your dad hi. And hopefully, hopefully, I’m sure you’ll get out with your daughters or him on something else if you don’t draw something incredible. But wish you luck in the draws from here on out and appreciate your time today. Thanks a lot Russ. Okay. I’ll talk to you later. Okay, sounds good. Take care. You, you bet. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. If any of you are looking to pick up a new long range rifle, you got a great tag coming up this fall, we encourage you to give the guys at Red Rock Precision a call. They’re great guns. We’ve, I, I’ve shot these guns for five or seven years, six or seven years I guess it’s probably been awesome shooters. Never feel like I can’t make a shot that I need to make. So give Kurt Todd a call, 8 0 1 3 9 1 7 8 4 0. They can kind of work up the caliber you’re interested in scope, combination all that, they know what they’re talking about or you can visit ’em online. Red rock precision.com.
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