EP 88: Chasing a giant 295 7/8″ Mule Deer with Chad Roberts. In this Episode we talk with Chad Roberts about his buck in Arizona. This was a saga that spanned many years and hunting seasons before Chad was able to finally get it done. Dedication and a lot of lessons learned along with persistence will help us succeed. This is a true giant.

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Went after him full throttle and I, I found him.

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You had the rifle tag. You have what you have to draw, then you buy an over-the-counter ery, the January hunt.

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And he was 2 92 and four eights net.

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Anything to do with Western? Big Game.

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Thompson long range.com. 4 3 5 7 1 3 4 2 4 8. So appreciate them and their supportive epic. Anyway, we’ve got an excellent, awesome podcast coming up. We’re gonna, we got Chad Roberts on the line. He killed him. Freaking giant, 295 inch, if I remember right. He’ll correct me. Type deer down there in Arizona. Most people know about it. If they see the pictures, they’ll definitely remember it. It’s one of those deer you can’t forget about. And so wanted to visit with him. He is made a lifestyle outta hunting in the desert and hunting giants and pulling giants out of where giants don’t, aren’t supposed to exist. And so love visiting with guys like that. And I learn a lot and, and just wanna dive right into it. So Chad, you on the line?

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Yes, sir.

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Awesome. Well, we sure appreciate you being on with us today. Of course. Talking about my favorite subject, mule deer. We kind of sift through the other podcasts here and there. Just trying to get to the Mule Deer Podcast, as far as I’m concerned.

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Good man.

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Tell us, so tell us a little bit about it, a little bit about yourself. First off, just kind of set the stage for how you become a desert dweller. Have you always been there? Did you move to Arizona? And then how did you kind of develop an affection for these big mealy?

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Well, I’m from U Arizona, 39 years old, born and raised. I’m a husband, father two, you know, my dad and uncles got me into hunting in the desert at a very young age. And there weren’t, there weren’t a lot of influences, I guess, you know, as far as desert hunting goes. I just kind of made do with what I had. And you know, I had a few role models that, or people I’d read about in the magazines. Chuck Adams, of course, being one of them. For those that don’t know, I’m an archery and a rifle hunter. Yeah, I’m a desert mule deer fanatic. I’ve harvested 34 desert bucks. Half of ’em have been with a bow. Geez. And you touched on one of ’em being the S c I world record at 2 95. Geez. I’ve also pulled off a couple, couple high country bucks and a few elk and an antelope of the bow. So,

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So high country in Arizona, is that like a hundred foot hill or what are we talking about? Well,

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That, that was up on the Kai Bab. Yeah. Back when you could just get an over the counter tagging Yeah. And go hunt. And then the other one’s Colorado high country, so.

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Oh, right on. Right on. And so if you’re like me, you just don’t like water and green things. You just don’t,

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Green trees aspens, they, they’re, they’re not that pretty.

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No, no, they’re not. So, you know, I just, I would, you know, there, there wasn’t anything around here as far as a Cabelas or Bass Pro or anything. And, you know, looking for bucks, like the big one I harvested was, I don’t know, pretty much outta the question. So you just, something you’d dream about. Yeah. And I had this little Arizona record book, it’s, I don’t know, an eight by five little book, and it had this big nontypical in it and like, I just, I had a feeling one day that, you know, I’d, I’d be able to pursue something like that. And yeah, when I finally was, I, you know, I, I didn’t give up, but I, it took me four years to harvest him, but, you know, I finally, I finally got it done. And just one of those things that you, I mean, you, you only dream about, they’re just, they don’t exist. Yeah. For the most part. Yeah.

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Well, yeah. So let’s just dive right into him. I mean, kind of set the stage. I mean, you know, when did you first see him? How big was he? How did you know he had these kind of genetics? Would you have killed him any of the four years? Just couldn’t, just so happened you killed him on the big year and, and got lucky. I mean, just kinda, let’s just kind of go through that. Obviously he’s a governor type that deer. I mean, a lot of guys would sell him for 10 or 20 grand or whatever. And to me, it’s hard to sell deer. Like that’s selling your firstborn. And so, you know, I see why it happens and at times I’ve helped Governor TEGs here and there, but it’s not, you know, I’m a hunter first and, and a killer and I wanna put my own, you know, I wanna put ’em in my house. And so I just kind of, you know, maybe set the stage for that. And some of the thoughts that were going through your head and then following him from year to year when you first saw him. And how big was he? And let’s go over some of that.

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Well, it, the first time I saw him was 2010. I, it, it was a fairly dry summer going into that year and a dry fall. So water was a pretty good option. Yeah. And so I, I had set up some cameras and stuff and picked a spot that I wanted to kind of set. I’m fairly close to it where I work. And what I would do is I would go out there and I’d hunt the evening while I’d, when you’re sitting in a blind or whatever, you, it’s boring. I can’t hardly do it. Yeah. It’s brutal. I would, I’d take my little camera with me and I’d, I’d pull my memory card out of my trail cam and put a new one in it. And while, while I was sitting there, I’d look at pictures to see what come in. And there, he had never come in at this point.

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And there was a few other decent bucks there and a little front come in and drop some rain. And I knew, I mean, you get a few sprinkles on the ground, it’ll completely change pattern. These deer will go completely nocturnal. You have no chance during the day. And for the most part, you know, they’ll, it can be a full blown drought and they’ll completely quit coming to water for a couple weeks. Yeah. And so I decided to do a little steel stocking and just, you know, kill some time. And I had a buddy with me and we were working this ridge and I had to kind of skyline myself and I didn’t want to do it, but I did. And when I did, he blew out from underneath me. And I just seen, you know, his frame. I didn’t put any extras on him or anything, and just these huge, massive bases that he had at the time. And I anchored in, and I guessed him at 70 and I let it fly and he, he hit his belly and ducked it and yeah, I, you know, you, you, every deer you see is, is the biggest deer you’ve ever seen, you know, when they’re that big, you know? Yeah. So pretty

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Much wanna shoot yourself in the air

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Yeah. When that happens. So I was just in, in awe and couldn’t believe it. And a few weeks had gone by and I decided to go out and give the water a, a check again. And were you

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Running trail cameras? Were you running trail cameras at

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The time? Yes, yes. I, I was running a few, but he had not been in this area at all during the time. I, I was running cameras. But you

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Found, did you find him with a camera initially, first time ever?

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No, I actually found him while I was, you know, walking and hunting. Yeah. And I just didn’t know it. I, I, I knew he was big. I knew the deer that I’d missed was, was huge. I just didn’t know what he was.

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And that was the first time you’d seen him, like that’s the first time you knew this deer exists? Yes. Okay. All right.

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And so a couple, a couple weeks went by and I went out and set water one evening and pulled my card on my camera and it was the same customers that were there. And I put a new card in and nothing came in that afternoon. And so the next evening I went out and pulled my card and I got my blind and he was the first picture on there. And it was literally 20 minutes after I left, geez, this big giant non-typical standing there. And I literally wiped my eyes like three times and zoomed the picture. It was just a little, you know, a little handheld camera and Yeah, I’m just trying to fathom this, you know, and I just couldn’t believe it. And I never saw him again. He never came to that water again in his entire life. Geez. And I didn’t see him for re the rest of that year. And of course I

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Why did he come there on, like, why did he come them, do you think he was, do you think his other water source dried up and

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No, no, he was just, just searching. I think it was, you know, beginning it was pre rutt when I initially saw him and the initial time that

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He came in the water, checking water, seeing if there’s hot dough coming in or

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Yep. A do. And, you know, I just, I didn’t have any knowledge of him or any pattern I hadn’t. It’s, it’s a needle in the hay haystack down here. And a lot of the stuff that I hunt, you can’t glass, you know, it’d just be too far away from anything. Or there’ll be some cuts where, you know, they’re 30 to 40 foot deep and they’re 20 foot wide, and if there were there in there, you couldn’t see ’em. Anyways,

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Guy like yous using eight power binos when we’re all trying to do, use Bt Xs you 35.

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Yeah. I, you know what, I, I’ve got my areas where I Yeah. You know, get the big glass out. But this particular area was just brutal. Not a, not a glassing area. And so, you know, it, it got my gears turning and I went after him full throttle and I, I set cameras on every water hole within 20 miles. That was legal, you know, two set cameras on. And I found him, and we had probably how,

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How time, how much time between when you first shot at him to when you found him?

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Probably, probably three months.

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And I, I started patterning or watching him on trail camera throughout the summer and trying to learn the area that he was in and not being able to glass a lot of it and is really tough. You know, if you, if you have, let’s say you have five bucks in a 10 mile square area, that’s a lot of country. Yeah. You know, to try to, to try to pinpoint, and it was probably one of the worst years we’ve had in a while down here as far as rainfall goes. Yeah. And he didn’t, the first time, you know, the first picture I have of him, he’s probably in the two forties, maybe two 50. And the next year he didn’t, he just didn’t produce two tenish or so. Okay. And I had no, I had no idea how old he was. Yeah. And, you know, he was starting to get that hammer brisket, but his ears were still fairly clean. But yeah, he had a little bit of a different head to him, so I really had a hard time putting an age on him, and I thought maybe he was going downhill. Yeah. And

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Are there bodies, are there bodies smaller than let’s say, kibab bucks or other places? I mean, is he, you know, do they just have small desert deer type bodies and tough to judge and maybe their antler looks bigger than it is or,

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Yeah. Yeah. You know what, not very often do you get a buck that’ll dress over 200 pounds. You know, they’re a big mature buck is anywhere from one 70 to 190 pounds. Okay. So I killed a Colorado buck that was twice as Oh yeah. P looked like he was twice as size, you know, so, yeah. But anyways, I, it kind of had him figured out and it was real, real dry. But I had a direction of kind of where he was going. And as luck would have it early September, we, you know, mother Nature finally turned loose and we got a ton of rain and it just, you know, scattered him out. And it was a little bit discouraging an opening day. I I when you were

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Still gonna kill him. Like it’s two 10 is a big deer, so you’re like, oh yeah. You don’t know how old he is. So

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He, he, he’s giant. Yeah. You know. Yeah. So I’m, I’m hunting him, I’m going for it. And my wife had a tag as well. And

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Archery, both of you archery or rifle?

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Oh, this is rifle. Okay. And, you know, I go the first few days and just not turning up much. And I was hunting where they were, but they obviously moved around a little bit. And I ended up jumping this decent four point up and I just said, you know, I cut my losses and cracked him. And when I did, I, I found the, I found the rest of ’em. Yeah. I found ’em all. So, geez, my wife ended up getting an opportunity at him. It was just a, a quick shot. They’re, you know, they real sharp rolling hills with some deep cut banks in ’em, so it’s a good hide hole for ’em. They, you know, they’re, you see ’em one second, they’re gone the next. Yeah. And not being able to glass and put a spotter on ’em just made it really, really hard. She had an opportunity, I didn’t even nest him. And that was that. And we get, we, we have the fortune of being able to hunt rifle, and then there’s a December archery hunt down here. If you don’t kill one during rifle season, you can fill your, you know, that your tag and then January starts a new year and you get all the January to hunt. Yeah.

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So I had started with a new tag in January and I ended up getting on him. I, I was able to glass him up. I got on him and I had him at, I don’t know, about 45 yards. And I had to come up out of this little gotcha wash. And when I did, I was shooting a mechanical broadhead and I opened it up, it hung on a greasewood when I got through it and it had opened up and I had it full draw and I realized it was open and I let off. And that was the last time I saw him. I had once shot a vortex broadhead that was open and it didn’t turn out too good, so, geez

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Yeah. So I just, I

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Turned out for the better, but yeah. Yeah. So basically you had the rifle tag you have, which you have to draw, then you buy an over-the-counter archery for the January hunt and you’re back on him. Was he in the same area? Was he rutting, rutting obviously starting to rutt.

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He was actually solo. It was still pre rutt. It was a late rutt that year. Okay. So they were, they were just starting to pick things up and he was actually by himself and geez, couldn’t really

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Same area.

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Yeah. Pretty close, you know, within a couple miles. And I couldn’t really understand why there were some other good bucks with those, you know, that weren’t his caliber and, but they were, they were, they were big mature bucks, but they won’t, weren’t his caliber and why he didn’t have any dough. So then I started questioning. Yeah. He’s just, then I started questioning, you know, is does he, can he breed? You know, or is

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He totally past his prime? Yeah, yeah. Or, or is he just letting these little bucks get these dough ready and when it’s time he’ll walk, he’ll just kinda stroll in and take over.

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Yeah, exactly. And so I, I never got another crack at him that year. And he, he ran with during the off season, you know, or during when they weren’t rutting, or soon as he ran with another big typical, and as soon as they stripped their velvet, they, they separated. And the other, the other typical, he was mid one nineties buck and the big non-typical started to produce again, it was a, it was a better year the next year. And

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Got him on trail camera

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After, got him on trail cameras. And of course I’m not, I’m not letting up at all, you know, just full throttle. Yeah. Totally obsessed with him

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Going through double As like it’s water.

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Yeah. And so I got these, well, we had four target bucks. Two were close to 200, and then we had this, you know, 230 inch non-typical and a high one seventies buck.

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When do they finish? When do they finish growing down there?

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You know, that they’re, they’re usually done growing, I’d say mid-October, but they don’t strip until, you know, last week of October. The first week of November. That

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Is unbelievable. We’re talking basically a month and a half difference, if not two months on some bucks.

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Wow. Then normal. Yep. Let’s call normal areas in the world.

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So I, you know, I, I watched these deer all, all summer, and then we got the monsoons again and they split up, they stripped and, and, and split, but three of ’em stayed over in a pretty tight area and one kind of dripped off about five miles from these others. So my uncle and I made a plan and he went for one of the 200 inch bucks and I went after this big nontypical and still

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Getting ’em on water, but different waters, like they’re split up and taken off a little bit

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Now that they’re, they’re still using the same water, but they’re leaving and going in different directions.

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Okay. So

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They’re still putting up with each other.

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Yeah, yeah. About, about six miles in different directions. Okay. And I’ll, I’ll explain that a little bit. During the summer, you know, you’ll find these deer within two miles of water. Yeah. They don’t wanna move. Yeah. It’s, you know, sometimes 120 degrees and it’s a hundred degrees at night. They, they don’t wanna travel. Yeah. And e even if there’s feet a little farther out, they won’t travel and

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They hate the sun. I find these desert bugs hate the sun. Like they might let it hit ’em in the morning for five minutes. They might, they hate the sun.

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Yeah. They, they, they don’t like it at all. So they, you know, once, once the nights start to cool off a little bit, where we get down into the seventies, they start stretching it out. And especially if they have a little feed a little farther out, you know, they’ll go up, you know, when the nights are seventies and the daytimes are still low hundred to upper nineties, they’ll start stretching it out four to five miles normally

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From water and

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Yeah. From water.

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And how often do the, will they water when they’re doing that?

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They, they normally two to three days then Yeah. On, on that pattern. When it, when it’s high temps every night, you’re getting ’em every night, every, you get to see ’em a lot. And then as it obviously, as it cools off even more, sometimes it, you’ll get ’em where they, if they’ve got good moisture in the feed, they won’t come in for a month.

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Are you seeing them? I mean, I hate to keep stopping you, but I mean, do, do you find lions, like when they’re hitting every night, they’re so vulnerable and, and we’ll see a lion or two take out a few bucks here and there and, and I don’t know, coyotes here and there, I get coyotes and deer watering on the same water. And I don’t think the bucks really care about coyotes too much, but, you know. But do you get lions down there messing with your butts or you got

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It? It it, it all, it all depends. If, if, if I get a cat in the area, I I will, I’ll move. It’s that simple that ’cause ’cause my darl move, you know, they Yeah. If, if they got a cat going to water, they won’t share that water. Yeah, no. Just knowing that that cat’s in the area Yeah. That

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Cat’s hunting in water like you are.

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Yeah. So these, these drill pick up and, and move. Yeah. That kind of complicates things. But the coyotes not at all. I’ve actually had a group of coyotes come in with this buck and they watered together all summer. The buck and three coyotes watered at the same time. And they, you know, it’s a community, community water hole.

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That’s right.

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And it, they came every time that he did the same time and they left at the same time. Yeah. I find it, it, it was, it was pretty neat to watch.

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Yeah. Yeah. Those cots are hard on, you know, dough at times and fawns and whatnot and they’ll, you know, they’ll pick their time on a buck. Like if he’s, if he’s weak, they know it and they, they know they’re gonna eat soon. But anyway,

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It’s nature’s cycle. Yeah.

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So, but so yeah. So you’re in on him, you figure he is two 30, you’re he’s going six miles ish, five to six miles.

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Yep. So, you know, I, I sat in after him and at, at this point I’m, I’m trying to cut track and, and still stock. And they’re is literally the, these cuts they run, you know, two to three miles long that they’re staying in and they’re only 200 yards apart. So you have to work these cuts, you know, you, you’ll burn up 10 miles in a day, you know, going slow. Yeah. And the next day, you know, try to pick up where you left off. Well they’ll just jump over in the next one. I mean, you’ve, you’ve already covered it. Really have a hard time. Yeah. You know, hunting that way. And

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Are you hunting like just mornings and evenings or are you running these cuts all day,

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Day. So, so you’re 105 degrees, whatever that time of year. A hundred and low hundreds,

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Hundred hundred low hundreds. And

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Trying to jump ’em outta their bed and shoot ’em on the run or whatever. Yep. Whatever you gotta do to kill him.

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Pretty much. And I, I got into his home, I, and I could see where he was rubbing and my wife was with me and my uncle had called me on the radio and he ended up killing a big velvet. Typical, he is right under 200 inches, really beautiful buck. And

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Doing the same thing, just, just doing,

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Doing the same thing. And so we left where we were at, went over and helped him get him out. We used to push him out on a deer cart, you know, just trying to get ’em out as fast as you can. When you try to pack ’em out that time of year, the meat just gets hot, you know, in a, in a pack. Yeah. So we try to leave them in their, you know, leave a carcass hole and cart ’em out and it’s a no drive area so you can’t drive in out there to ’em. And so the next day we, we tried to get back in there and one of my other uncles end up killing a buck right before we get in there. So we go over and help him, you know, pack him out. And then I went for a week just grinding and I,

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Were they right there where your buck, I mean, was that other uncle right there on top of your buck too? He could’ve killed him just as easy.

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Nah, he, he was about five miles off.

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Was he, is it something you guys hunt together or,

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Yeah, for the most part. Yeah. We just kind of respect, just the way they, they funnel out. They just kind of split up and Yeah. They pick their own little area. ’cause they, they start to isolate from each other, you know, once they strip that velvet off. Yeah. And we, I, like I said, I, I started after him and I, I probably put, you know, a couple hundred miles on my feet just trying to cover country and it’s hot. I’m burnt up. And I ended up, there’s this mid one seventies buck that was one of our target bucks. And I had him, it was a Thursday and the hunt had started on a Friday prior, and it’s, I don’t know, eight o’clock in the morning. And I’ve got him at 50 yards broadside. And I passed on him. I, you know, if it would’ve been noon, I would’ve probably, I’d have probably been tired and, and went ahead and killed him.

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Yeah. But I passed on him and the next cut I took out working back up to where I was parked, I ended up blowing out the mid one typical that ran with him, mean he’s 33 inches wide and I missed him. He, he, I just had a split second, you know, they’re in these little tight quarters and I had a split second. And normally I’ll keep shooting, you know, if I’ve got a decent shot. Oh yeah. And he, he was just a little, I just, for some reason I didn’t shoot and I watched him go across his, Malachi and I, I walked over and I marked where, where they had crossed. And I just decided to give him some time. And I walked out to the road and I called my uncle on the radio and I told him, you know what, I had one of the big bucks over in this area. Yeah. And about two hours later we went back over there and I got on his track and just started tracking him down and found him laying in his bed. And he got up and I was able to, to harvest him.

00:27:46:18 –> 00:27:47:22
Wow. 33.

00:27:48:26 –> 00:27:52:12
Yep. So he’s a, he’s a pig.

00:27:54:08 –> 00:28:03:09
So, so you don’t like the magnum calibers ’cause they only fit two, two shells down in the magazine. Right? You want to least four or five rounds, it sounds like to me. Well,

00:28:03:10 –> 00:28:04:18
I, I act, I actually

00:28:05:08 –> 00:28:06:05
Crosses your mind.

00:28:07:03 –> 00:28:14:05
I actually was shooting a T 70 short mag. Oh, were you at the time? Yeah. I, I, I liked, I liked the speed. Yeah.

00:28:14:10 –> 00:28:18:04
Yeah. You, I mean, it’s a whole different ball game hunting the way you’re, you’re jump shooting them.

00:28:18:20 –> 00:28:23:21
Yep. So I like a, like a flat fast round. Yeah.

00:28:23:21 –> 00:28:23:28

00:28:24:21 –> 00:28:52:14
And I was always a fan of the two 70 caliber. And then when they come out with that, I just, you know, I gravitated. I didn’t know much about ballistics or anything, but yeah, it seemed, seemed like a good choice. And so I ended up, I ended up killing that buck and the next day my wife killed that mid one seventies buck that I had passed at eight o’clock in the morning. Wow. And that we pretty much,

00:28:52:27 –> 00:28:55:11
Dude, you guys are killing everything. You’re killing everything.

00:28:56:14 –> 00:28:59:19
Everything but everything. But the one I really wanted, you guys

00:28:59:19 –> 00:29:04:07
Are worse than lions between your uncles wife, you who else knows.

00:29:04:22 –> 00:29:05:15
Yeah. Hard,

00:29:05:24 –> 00:29:06:29
So hard on game down there.

00:29:07:14 –> 00:29:11:25
Yeah. Well when you, when you have the opportunity, you know, you gotta take advantage of it. Oh

00:29:11:25 –> 00:29:24:02
Yeah. Oh yeah. And you’re not passing, nobody’s passing 33 inch bucks. They just aren’t. So No. So, so, all right. So you’ve got him the big buck’s still alluding all y’all, everybody’s pretty much filled tags.

00:29:25:11 –> 00:29:42:11
Everybody’s pretty much filled tags. And I’ve got the upcoming January hunt, you know, on my radar. And I told myself I wasn’t, I wasn’t shooting nothing

00:29:43:13 –> 00:29:43:20

00:29:43:20 –> 00:30:44:20
Him. But the non-typical Yeah. And I spent a few days looking for him and a few weekends looking for him and never could turn him up. And I was, I was glassing and trying to look out into, into some flats, and I never could really turn him up. And I decided to go into another honey hole of mine that usually produces some really big bucks. And my dad was with me and I, I passed a, I don’t know, upper one eighties low, one nineties three point that was broke off midway up his G two. And that was probably the only reason why I passed him. But I passed him at 10 yards, that was full draw. And my dad is standing 300 yards behind me watching this through his binoculars. And I just, I couldn’t shoot him. I let him go. How

00:30:44:20 –> 00:30:49:27
Close, how did you get this close? Like how was it just luck or was he on a dough or how’d you get this close to him?

00:30:50:20 –> 00:31:29:14
I, I stalked into him and I was probably, I don’t know, 70 yards from him, but on an other side of a little Gotcha. Wash. It wasn’t a, wasn’t a big wash, but it was just a, a narrow finger Yeah. That had had some cover in it. And there was another buck there that, and they were, they were chasing a couple dos. So I grunted at him and he come to investigate. So I was able to draw while he was, you know, coming in me and at me. And I was already close. So it was relatively easy. I’ve never, I’ve actually never been able to do that since, but that’s crazy.

00:31:29:28 –> 00:31:35:03
Well, and you stopped him, so you, you figure you’re gonna kill him. But then when it came, came down to actually

00:31:36:03 –> 00:31:38:02
Doing it, you know, I, I was just, couldn’t do

00:31:38:02 –> 00:31:38:04

00:31:38:22 –> 00:31:55:02
Right there. And I, I just, he, he was a monster and any other year I’d have shot him. Yeah, no, no doubt about it. And a broken G-tube probably saved that deer’s life. Wow. Because I, I, I, seriously, I still thought about it.

00:31:55:26 –> 00:32:02:08
Which would’ve, which would’ve filled your tag for that year where you ended up killing the big deer.

00:32:02:26 –> 00:32:46:24
Yep. Well, no, I actually didn’t kill the big deer that year. I, what I ended up doing was going back over and looking for him some more. And a lot of these desert bucks, you know, they’ll gather things up out in the flats or, you know, when they’re in the rutt, they’ll, they’ll gather gear up out in the flats and then they’ll, once they start really the big bucks, start moving in and, and search and they’ll just work fingers. And the smaller bucks will take ’em back actually up in little mountain basins. Yeah. And not out in the flats. So these big bucks go back there and they pick them up and you never see ’em because you’re looking the wrong way.

00:32:47:09 –> 00:32:47:18

00:32:48:27 –> 00:32:59:17
So I, I end up going back behind this area that I normally glass the front of, and I find him And

00:33:00:02 –> 00:33:04:06
You find the non-typical, it’s January still, we’re still in this January archery hunt. Yep.

00:33:04:06 –> 00:33:58:03
Okay. It, it’s January I find him. He’s with three dough and the wind’s blowing like 40 mile an hour. So it’s perfect to really perfect steel stock. It covers up a lot of the noise and stuff. And he’s feeding along and I go over this little pass and there’s really, it’s really open. There’s nothing i, I can do about it. So I just watch him, you know, feed over this little, little hill. And I watch him go into this wash. So I find me a little place where I can go around and, and possibly track up behind him and have the wind. Right. And I go around and I cut his track and I’m tracking. And I noticed he starts curving outta the wash. And it just dawned on me, he’s, you know, he’s circling back so he can check his wind, you know, before he beds.

00:33:58:04 –> 00:34:47:03
Yeah. You know, he wants to bed where he can see what’s falling his tracks. Yeah. And so I cut back over to where I was originally at and I found him beded in this little, in between, in this little saddle in between these two little rolls and hard bottom wind’s blowing like 40 mile an hour. This deer is dead. I’ve got a perfect opportunity. And I get in there and I, in this little thing, and it’s, it’s super quiet and I can, the edge of it is concealing me. So I’m below his vision and I get about halfway down there to him and I barely peek out and I can see him. Okay. And at this point, he is probably 150 yards or so.

00:34:47:09 –> 00:34:48:13
You’re totally by yourself.

00:34:48:28 –> 00:35:23:07
Totally by myself. And so I go down a little bit more and I try to count my steps hunched over and I put another 60 yards or so, and I would peek out and I don’t see ’em. And I’m, I’m looking, I, I think I’m looking at the right tree and I don’t see him and I panic and I just, I expose myself. I step out and I’m looking at the wrong tree. Oh. So he’s laying there at 70 yards looking at me. Oh,

00:35:23:21 –> 00:35:44:28
I’ve done it. Like, you just get, you, you, I mean, and I say it over and over again. You gotta pre, you gotta just figure they’re there. And don’t, don’t do something drastic or quick or anything else, assuming that you’ve blown ’em out. ’cause you, ’cause you figure you will. Anyway, it’s just kind of part of, part of the game. And, and then there you are, you know, rushed it

00:35:45:27 –> 00:36:01:29
E Exactly. And it’s, you know, it’s, it’s a learning curve. And heck, I find myself, you know, having to tell myself to just be patient even nowadays, you know, that I’ve got a lot more experience under my belt. Yeah. Tough counsel

00:36:02:16 –> 00:36:07:00
Yourself all the time. Tough. If I had the money that if I paid myself my own counseling sessions, I’d be rich.

00:36:08:16 –> 00:36:08:23
I know.

00:36:09:21 –> 00:36:12:01
Okay. So he’s staring at you 70 yards. So,

00:36:12:11 –> 00:36:22:28
So he’s, he’s staring at me. I’m, I’m busted. I’m in the wide open. He’s staring at me. And so I just draw back, you know, and he, he’s laying there. And

00:36:24:25 –> 00:36:27:06
How far, how far are you comfortable to he

00:36:27:15 –> 00:36:45:22
Oh, I’m, I’m, I’m comfortable with 90. Okay. But I would own, I wouldn’t, I wouldn’t shoot a gear that far that hadn’t already been shot. Yeah. So 70 yards is about it. Yeah. And so I, I, I put my pin on him and, and I’m, I didn’t even have time to arrange him. You

00:36:45:23 –> 00:36:47:06
Shoot him in his bed, here we go.

00:36:47:19 –> 00:37:02:10
I’m gonna shoot him in his bed. And I let it go and it looks perfect. And he jumps up and he runs around towards me and he’s just staring at me. And I don’t know if I hit him or not, because I couldn’t, it looked good. You jumped

00:37:02:10 –> 00:37:02:26
The string or,

00:37:03:07 –> 00:37:14:14
But the wind’s, but the wind’s blowing like crazy. So you, I couldn’t hear any whack or anything. Oh. And I’m shooting a fixed blade broadhead now because I learned my lesson with Yeah. With the mechanical mechanicals.

00:37:14:14 –> 00:37:14:22

00:37:15:08 –> 00:37:54:04
And he’s just standing there staring at me and I’m, I guessing at 50 yards. And there’s one ocotillo between me and him, and it’s not even between me and him. There’s a few of, it’s little, you know, half inch branches are hanging over and, but they’re up above him. And I put my 50 on him and I, I turn it loose and as luck would have it right in one of those little twig branches that hang out, you know? And yeah, it just completely stopped my own. He, he runs back and he gathers his does up and I’m thinking, well, he is not really hurt, you know. And

00:37:55:10 –> 00:37:57:22
Did it hit him or did it just the branch towards

00:37:57:22 –> 00:39:17:00
Yeah. Well, I, I, I, I, well, the second arrow didn’t hit him, but I walked over to where the first arrow went and sure enough, I, I had shot through him and I’d walked back over to where he was standing for the second hour and there’s puddle of blood there. Then he had hung out up there on the side of this little hill watching me. You know, I, I just stayed still trying to figure out what I was for the longest time. So I, I kind of knew that it wasn’t bad, you know, I, I mean, he wasn’t hurt and, but I, but I wasn’t sure, you know, there’s some, some flesh, flesh, moon blood everywhere. And I called my dad and I told him, I was like, Hey, I, I’ve got this bucket. He, he comes out and I, I give him, you know, three hours and because I just don’t know. And there’s a rainstorm moving in and we start tracking and it starts raining. And for four days, four of us stayed out there just tracking, just trying to, you know, looking for crows and, and everything. And coyotes had even got in, gotten on his trail at one point. And he, he’s not bleeding much, you know, just a little drop here and there. And the pilot’s got on his trail and they were digging up the blood.

00:39:17:09 –> 00:39:22:12
Was this before the, or during the rainstorm, or could you still track him after the rain?

00:39:23:05 –> 00:40:09:09
I was still tracking him after the rain. Yeah. There’s not that many deer around there. Yeah. So it’s a little easier, you know, you don’t have a thousand tracks to follow. Yeah. And I knew his direction he was going. And then after it had rained, the coyotes could still smell. Yeah. His blood. So they were, they were digging up his track. Geez. So it was easy for me to fall him and I spent a solid week out there looking and I was disgusted. And finally one day, I, I was out there in this three by four, presented a shot, and I, I shot him and I went back, you know, to, to scouting and setting up my cameras. And I was done for the year. I was 2013. And I was done for the year,

00:40:09:10 –> 00:40:10:27
January, 2013.

00:40:11:08 –> 00:40:35:25
Yep. And he ended up coming in, I think it was end of April. And he had already dropped his horns. And normally they don’t drop until last of May, 1st of June in that range Wow. Down here. And he’d already dropped his horns. All the little bucks had their horns still, they were just beating the crap out of him, you know, getting revenge.

00:40:36:17 –> 00:40:38:17
How did you know, how did you know it was him?

00:40:39:14 –> 00:40:52:24
I, I had him because I, I could see the hole through him on, on trail cam and this big old, his chest cavity was swollen up. He lost a bunch of his hair. He looked like he was gonna die.

00:40:53:19 –> 00:41:00:10
This is crazy. And it wasn’t like a, his face, he didn’t recognize sometimes I recognize her face at times. Yeah.

00:41:00:10 –> 00:41:38:04
He, he did have a scar on his cheek. Yeah. Like, and, and a few cuts in his ears that I could tell Yeah. At this point. And he had this big infection in his chest cavity. And one day he goes to the water hole and he, he just lays down at, I think there’s no way the deer’s gonna make it, you know, he is all but giving up. And I didn’t see him for probably a month and a half. And he come back to water and he was already starting to grow when others were still had horns. Yeah. And he had gotten his most of his hair back. And he had a little pep in his step, you know, you could just see some

00:41:38:18 –> 00:41:39:11
Life in his eyes.

00:41:39:11 –> 00:41:58:18
Little humor. Yeah. A little life in his eyes. And I said, well, here we go. Let’s see what he does. You know, and you, every time you shoot a buck or you hear of a buck and shot, you know, and you watch ’em and they make it and you watch ’em the next year, it screws their horns up. They don’t, you know, one side will be messed up or whatnot. Yeah. Lo

00:41:59:01 –> 00:41:59:07

00:41:59:15 –> 00:42:18:17
Yeah. Yeah. And it was a good green year. And he blew up. He was probably, well, I’ve got his sheds and I’m gonna say I, I think I, I guessed him in the two sixties. I mean, he is just huge. And I can’t hunt, you know, and

00:42:19:22 –> 00:42:20:28
At least till the next January.

00:42:21:17 –> 00:43:00:16
Yeah. Till the next January. And I, and I just watch him and I, I got this, a couple other big bucks in the area and dark of season rolls around. And we, and my, my wife actually, you know, conceded, she’s just told me I, she had a tag out here and she told me, I, I don’t, I don’t wanna hunting. Let’s go hunt something else. Really? You know, you need, you, you need to, you need to kill that deer. I don’t wanna screw it up. And I was like, okay. And so she ended up killing another deer, but we just left him alone. And January rolled around and

00:43:01:00 –> 00:43:02:23
Uncles too. Everybody left him alone. Yep.

00:43:02:23 –> 00:43:05:15
Everybody just left him alone. And

00:43:05:22 –> 00:43:07:09
Nobody else knows about this deer.

00:43:07:17 –> 00:44:00:19
Nobody else knows about this deer. Wow. And so, January rolls around and I glass him up and he’s in a good spot. I can, I can see him. And it was the first time my dad was able, my dad was with me, and it was the first time he was able to see him, you know, was the first time ever other than trail cam pictures. Yeah. And, you know, it takes most of the day. And I get in there and I, I know they’re somewhere right there. And I ended up, ended up getting to see him and he was 45 yards. I arranged him, there was an ocotillo, or not an ocotillo, but a greasewood between me and him that was covering his vitals. All the dos. He had 20 something dos with him. And all of them had already blown out the wash and were on top.

00:44:00:19 –> 00:45:14:09
It was just me and him in the bottom. And I knew he was gonna, he was gonna blow when he did. So I, I drew back on him and I didn’t, when I practice shooting my bow, I, you know, I’m always prac, I’ll put stuff up in front of my target, you know, to, to play the art game. ’cause your arrow is never flat. You know, you, you have shooting lanes that you wouldn’t normally know that you have. Right. And I tried play the art game and I just missed him. And I, I shot underneath him and he ran right back over to where he originally was. And it was getting light in the day. And I didn’t wanna blow him out. My dad’s like, I got him. You know, you can get back in there and get on him. And this is two and a half miles away. Yeah. And I just told him, I said, no, I’ve had enough. He’s had enough. We’ll, we’ll do this again in a few days. And the very next day came and fish did their sheet survey or their, their survey. Oh, geez. Because they, they can see that time of year. Yeah. You know, they get a good count on them. And they, they, they scattered him. They scattered the herd. They scattered him.

00:45:14:18 –> 00:45:15:17
Do you think they saw him?

00:45:17:03 –> 00:46:42:20
I’m not sure. Yeah. You know, they, they don’t see, I know they don’t see half the deer. Yeah. For the most part. ’cause I’ve watched him. Yeah. And I’ve had groups of deer that they’ve flown over and didn’t, didn’t circle back over. Yeah. So I hunted hard, you know, for the rest of the month. And it was the last day of the month. And I picked him up in the exact same spot where he was the year prior where I’d shot him, I mean, within a hundred yards. Geez. And I watch him dead, you know, and I, I’m getting to watch this 260 inch deer through my fifteens at, I don’t know, 600 yards. Geez. And I’m by myself again. And I, I got a good steady wind and where they betted, I really couldn’t close the gap. So I had, but I knew there was no way out for him. So I, I went down and I changed my clothes and washed up. And because I knew the wind would be iffy, was back in this little blocks canyon. And I went, went back out there and I closed the distance and I was a hundred yards from him, maybe 150. And it was basically just a waiting game. And I knew he’d be up moving around soon. And Yeah. There’s no, there’s nobody out here. Not a, not a soul ever.

00:46:43:02 –> 00:46:44:17
Still never. Still not,

00:46:44:22 –> 00:46:46:27
Still never. And

00:46:48:27 –> 00:46:49:22
I need to come down there.

00:46:50:23 –> 00:47:13:11
I’m just, I’m just sitting there and I, I’m sitting there for, I don’t know, a good three and a half, four hours just sitting there. Yeah. I didn’t have anything else. And I hear voices, I’m like, what the heck is that? You know, and they’re women and I come on, I’m sitting there. They don’t see me, but I, I see them. They’re just walking down the,

00:47:14:05 –> 00:47:17:17
Obviously the buck. Yeah. And obviously the buck’s hearing them, like he’s listening to

00:47:18:02 –> 00:47:43:16
Yeah. He, he’s listening to him too. And they’re walking down this Malachi, and they get dead and they are in wind shot, you know, they’re directly downwind or upwind from this spot. Geez. And they’re in plain clothes. And there’s this huge sw cactus out there on this mount pie. Well, they stand there and they take pictures of each other next to the swirl cactus. Come on.

00:47:44:07 –> 00:47:46:22
And they can see you. They’re, they know you’re watching. No,

00:47:46:22 –> 00:48:21:21
No. They, no, they, they can’t see me. I’m hidden. And so I’m, I’m just sitting there and I hear this buck blow, you know, they, they wind and I just watch ’em scale the side this mountain. And that was it. Oh. You know, and they, the women turned around. They never, they never heard the dude never saw the dude or nothing. They turned around from that point and walked right back out to their vehicle. And at that point, I’m just thinking this, this isn’t meant to be. Yeah. You know, I’m, I’m heartbroken, and

00:48:22:01 –> 00:48:29:26
Yeah. You’re gonna ask them if they need you to take a selfie of them. You know, like, it’s just, it’s the saddest thing in, in the world.

00:48:31:02 –> 00:48:46:04
You know, I’m, I’m just like, it, it’s, it’s not, it’s not gonna happen. You know, I’m very discouraged and, but it’s almost funny. It’s almost funny. Yeah. You know, I, I, and, and that was it. So I

00:48:46:14 –> 00:48:49:04
Back in their Prius or Subaru or whatever and drive away.

00:48:49:27 –> 00:48:50:05

00:48:50:27 –> 00:48:51:09

00:48:51:09 –> 00:49:00:16
You know, they, they, and it was a mile off the road. It was a mile off the road. And they walked back in there and to take pictures next to a cactus that they had no idea was there

00:49:00:22 –> 00:49:02:15
January 31st or

00:49:02:19 –> 00:50:19:00
Whatever, January 31st. And they walk right back out. Wow. And so you, I mean, you can probably understand the flow that I’m feeling at this point. Oh yeah. Yep. Because this has, this has been a nightmare. So, you know, I, I lick my wounds and I decide to hit it harder than ever. And this time I’m out there, not only trail camera, but I’m, I’m watching, I’m following, you know, getting a pattern, like a real tight area of where exactly they’re going. Yeah. And rumor was starting to get out that I was after a, a big buck and I hadn’t seen a soul all year long. Yeah. All summer, you know, I’m spending day after day after day out there, and I wanted to kill this buck with my bow. I really wanted to kill him with my bow. And I had made up my mind I was gonna hunting with my bow during rifle season. Yeah. And I, day before season, there’s, I mean, caravan of people coming down this road, down this main road. And I just, I sunk a little bit and I said, well, I’m out playing games, and I put the bow down and I got my rifle.

00:50:19:18 –> 00:50:21:28
Do they see your truck? I mean, they know you’re there. Oh yeah.

00:50:22:06 –> 00:51:04:00
Oh yeah. They know I’m there and they’re still looking the wrong, wrong direction. And still to this day, they’re looking in the wrong direction. Yeah. But I went out there and it took me probably about four hours to find him. And I ended up jumping him, blowing him out of his bed. He’s a hundred yards in the dead run. And I heart shot him, and then the wheels fell off. And I, at, at that point, I was shooting a, a browning automatic, two 70 short mag. And he, it changed his momentum.

00:51:05:01 –> 00:51:05:09

00:51:06:11 –> 00:51:24:14
And he’s going through this thicker stuff before it gets wide open. And instead of waiting for the wide open stuff, I shooted him two more times and I’m in a panic. Yeah. I know he is hit. But I, but I’ve seen him, you know, hundreds of times. So when

00:51:24:19 –> 00:51:34:24
He came back, we skipped the truck camera part. But when he comes back and you’re starting to get him August, September, October, obviously you’re getting him on camera. He’s bigger than ever.

00:51:35:16 –> 00:51:40:23
He’s bigger than ever. I actually, I pulled my cameras in August. Yeah.

00:51:41:02 –> 00:51:42:02
Just because of people.

00:51:42:13 –> 00:51:44:29
Just because of people and Yeah. I didn’t take any more pictures.

00:51:45:00 –> 00:51:46:08
And I’ve, and I’ve done that. Yep.

00:51:47:18 –> 00:52:31:19
So, and I’ve since changed my patterns since then. You know, I, I do that, but I, it, it, it changes momentum. I, and then I missed him twice. And not even, I mean, the wheels are falling off and I think I’m outta bullets. I open the clip, put another bullet in there, you know, I’m hand loading and he’s just trotting across this Yeah. Open area, you know, I can tell he is hurt, but I can’t tell how bad. And it’s happening fast. And I go to put a bullet in and one flies out, and it, I’m thinking, what’s going on? You know? And I, I pick it up off the ground, I put it back in, I rack it in again, and another one flies out. And I, it dawns on me, you know, I had one in the barrel, and I, you know, the gears are,

00:52:32:24 –> 00:52:39:09
You’re pulling the trigger. You’re pulling the trigger. Like there’s rounds going off. You don’t even think they’re going off. You think live rounds are going out on the ground.

00:52:40:15 –> 00:53:14:03
So anyways, he, he goes out of, he goes outta sight, I’m a wreck. And my dad and my uncle are, are there within a 400 yards of me. Yeah. And they, they heard that the impact on the first shot. Yeah. And I start going over and I clear this little mouth, pie ridge that he’d went over just a little roll. And he was laying upside down, and his horns were real white. He had just stripped them. Yeah. And he had no color in him.

00:53:14:07 –> 00:53:16:23
We’re talking November no color. November.

00:53:16:26 –> 00:53:49:06
Yeah. No, it was actually Halloween. Jeez. I killed him on Halloween in 2014. So, no, he, he just, just strip his horns and he looked like a brittle bush upside down out there. And, you know, it had dried up and the wind had blown it over, you know, that’s what it looked like. He just had stuff going everywhere. And I, I looked and I said, is that him? You know? And I, I threw my gun up on him, and sure enough, you know, he was, he was expired and he was over there and it was,

00:53:49:19 –> 00:53:49:28

00:53:51:16 –> 00:53:56:04
I was a hundred yard walk and probably the longest walk

00:53:56:26 –> 00:53:57:02

00:53:57:28 –> 00:54:26:19
To, to get over to him. And I, of course, I had turned him over by the time my uncles got there. And my dad, and I remember my uncle sitting there, and I, I just told him, I said, I, I think I’m gonna cry. Yeah. You know, ’cause it just a lot of, a lot of effort, you know. Wow. Went into him and he goes, just go right ahead, son. I we’ll just cry with you. Geez. So, so yeah. That was,

00:54:27:13 –> 00:54:29:22
Geez. Holy cow. That

00:54:29:22 –> 00:54:31:11
Was the saga. I mean it

00:54:32:05 –> 00:54:36:00
Long, of course, all your, your hometown buddies come over and help you dress him out, I’m sure.

00:54:36:26 –> 00:54:37:07
Oh no.

00:54:40:20 –> 00:54:40:26

00:54:42:00 –> 00:54:42:08

00:54:42:23 –> 00:54:44:14
Oh, man. Brutal.

00:54:44:17 –> 00:54:56:06
So it was, it was an event, man. You, you could, you know, if, if there was movies to be written that were popular in the hunting industry, that that’d be one you would sell. That would be one of ’em. Oh, yeah. You know,

00:54:56:19 –> 00:55:09:28
You get 14 pieces of brass hitting the dirt and you’re thinking they’re live rounds. I mean, I’d give anything you do. Right. And that’s what happens every time it happens to, all of it happens to me too, you know, pretty soon you’re Yeah. You’re taking an automatic and trying to single shot it, hand load

00:55:10:03 –> 00:55:10:29
’em into the barrel.

00:55:11:05 –> 00:55:14:10
I mean, I can totally see it. And I’ve been there. It’s unbelievable.

00:55:14:18 –> 00:55:24:16
And the funny thing is, is the whole time I didn’t know his age. Yeah. And when I first saw him, it turns out that he was three years old. They aged him at seven years old.

00:55:25:14 –> 00:55:25:21

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00:55:29:13 –> 00:55:32:28
And he was what? 2 2, 2 92 95

00:55:32:28 –> 00:55:35:02
And seven eight The

00:55:35:02 –> 00:55:37:06
First year. Year, the first year you saw him,

00:55:38:05 –> 00:55:42:00
He, he was probably, I’d have to say two thirties.

00:55:42:13 –> 00:55:45:05
Okay. And then he regressed then Do you have those sheds?

00:55:45:05 –> 00:55:48:11
He regressed. He, no, I do not have those sheds. Nobody

00:55:48:11 –> 00:55:49:06
Does. They’re

00:55:49:06 –> 00:55:50:06
Just, nobody does. They’re

00:55:50:06 –> 00:55:59:18
Just, they’re just part of the dirt now. Yep. And then you got, and then he regressed to two 10 ish. Yep. And then he jumps up to two 60. Do you have the two 10 sheds?

00:56:00:11 –> 00:56:30:01
I don’t have the 2, 2 10 sheds. I have the two sixties, two 60 sheds. And then it, it was a green year when he was, I would say five, you know, but they, he was still making a comeback. Yeah. You know, it, it, it really, really stunned them as they were four years old, but still a monster. You know, you don’t, I mean, you don’t even dream a deer like that. No. I mean, not down here. No.

00:56:30:01 –> 00:56:32:17
Those are special. Those are special anywhere. So

00:56:33:26 –> 00:56:48:29
A a lot of people, you know, especially up from your neck of the woods, they, I mean, I know you guys have the snow and migrations and stuff like that. Yeah. And we have severe drought and

00:56:50:06 –> 00:56:51:05
Less drought. We have

00:56:51:15 –> 00:56:51:24

00:56:52:02 –> 00:56:54:08
You have severe drought, less drought and kind of drought.

00:56:54:29 –> 00:57:34:13
Yeah. And extremely high temps that Yeah. That kill deer on their own, you know, and for a deer to make it, you know, is rare, is special in itself. Yeah. You know, and all I ever really asked for myself is to be solid down here. You know, I I, I turned up some big bucks and, you know, I’d shown you pictures of a, a big buck that I was Yeah. Looking at last year. And I, you know, I, I ended up killing a, another nice buck. And I was, I was pleased with him. You know, it just, it’s

00:57:36:04 –> 00:57:38:14
Not like you’re trying to best a 2 95 or,

00:57:40:05 –> 00:57:40:15
You know, I,

00:57:40:20 –> 00:57:43:14
You still kill those 33 inch, one nineties, you know what

00:57:43:16 –> 00:57:47:21
I mean? Yeah, yeah. Every day. Of course. Yeah. Well, but

00:57:48:10 –> 00:58:48:17
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00:58:48:20 –> 00:59:46:18
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00:59:47:23 –> 01:00:43:03
So you know, it, a lot of it depends on wind, you know, it and depends on the way that a wash will be running with the wind, you know, or you know, if it, if the wind’s cutting across it, say left to right, but all you can go is, you know, with the wind. Yeah. Then sometimes you can stay on the right hand side of the wash, you know, ’cause that if, if, if the shady side is on the left side, yeah. You know, you can position yourself to be able to, you know, have a chance. But other times, you know when it’s wrong, it’s wrong. Say if it’s blowing right to left into the shady side, and then you’re gonna, you’re gonna be on a shady side with ’em. They’re gonna see you before you see them. Yeah. So it’s just playing at that and tracking is down here.

01:00:43:03 –> 01:01:56:06
It’s, it’s, it’s pretty difficult. I walk, see if the wind’s blowing through it or if how much debris is in it or, or bugs Is it in the tracks? Spiders is in the Yeah. Is in is in the track. You know, bugs, spiders especially, you know, they’ll, they’ll set up little, little webs in the, in the bottom of the track. And I really look at stuff like that. And then I use a combination of just general knowledge of where they’re going, you know, to be able to, to pursue something like that. Yeah. And not just looking at the ground, because if you’re looking at the ground just constantly tracking, they’re getting up and, and leaving and you’ll never see. Yeah. I mean, you might hear ’em, but, but that’s it. You gotta be able to fall back and, and maybe check that track at times, but not stay with a hundred percent of the time. You know, and you’re constantly peering off to your sides. So that’s, you know, that’s pretty much how I, how I go about tracking. And throughout the year, you know, I’m, I’m a big mineral buff, you know, I’ve got a lot of, a lot of spots that hold deer even when there isn’t a lot of vegetation. Yeah.

01:01:56:21 –> 01:02:19:26
Or, or there are areas that when there is vegetation that they’re just loaded, you know, and it’s to the mineral on the ground and stuff like that. I will look at country in January, December and January that’s got good moisture and take pictures of that and key in on that stuff compared to what was dead. You know, and when I start my

01:02:20:26 –> 01:02:21:12
That’s crazy.

01:02:21:17 –> 01:02:31:12
Sessions out for the next year, you know, that way because you’ll look at, you’ll look at vegetation down here in June and you’ll think everything is dead.

01:02:31:18 –> 01:02:37:23
Well, that’s what I’m saying. That’s what I’m thinking. You guys could have 10 inches of rain and it still looks like crap, you know? Well,

01:02:37:26 –> 01:02:41:15
And, and, and we only get two a year. Yeah. Now that’s our average two to three a year.

01:02:41:27 –> 01:02:54:02
And so then you’re within a 20, let’s say 20 miles, let’s just say 20 miles, you’re looking at where these squalls hit within the 20 miles and you might concentrate on this two mile stretch or that two mile stretch. Yep.

01:02:54:17 –> 01:03:37:10
Yep. So what I’ll do is, so what I’ll do is when I’m just traveling, you know, or, or going through something, I’ll, I’ll say, you know, this right here is green. And then when I get to where it starts to die out, and, and this is, this is the year prior. Yeah. And when I get to where it starts to die out, I’ll mark it. Wow. And I’ll mark my boundaries, you know, of this green pocket that’s happening, you know, last year. Wow. So in June when everything is dead, because we haven’t had any rain, I remember those areas that were green, they still have moisture in them. You know, the appearance of a plant is different from its actual moisture content,

01:03:37:14 –> 01:03:38:20
The actual health of the plant.

01:03:38:29 –> 01:04:52:08
You, you know, you could, you gotta be able to reach up and grab a hold of it and, and scratch it or, or break the twig off in your hand. You, you get a good feel from it. But if you just drive by Yeah. You know, it all looks dead. Yeah. And so when I’m watching these storms go through all year, I picked my spots that were already, already had moisture in them Yeah. During the, you know, winter months that are getting rain now. Yeah. If that makes any sense, because that is where the dense feed is gonna be. Yeah. And a lot of people, what they’ll do is they won’t start scouting or they won’t pay attention to stuff like that. They won’t start scouting until, let’s say September or, or first October. You know, that’s when qua season opens up. That’s when a lot of people start, you know, actually getting out, looking for deer. And it’s actually bearable out there because it’s, it’s miserable. Yeah. It’s miserable. So by the time they get out there, all the monsoons is rolled through and everything’s green. Yeah. So you really have no clue and your deer aren’t gonna leave these super lush areas that were already there. Yeah. So that’s where a lot of people get in trouble.

01:04:53:03 –> 01:04:53:09

01:04:53:17 –> 01:05:06:20
You know, and I, I try to, I try to focus on stuff like that. If, if, you know, and if they’ve got natural mineral, you know, I’ve actually, I watched a big butt come underneath me and actually chew up rocks.

01:05:07:17 –> 01:05:18:02
Geez. Really cool. And is it mineral that’s everywhere or are you finding like, kinda like a natural salt lake like they have in Canada for sheep or whatever are you find a natural licks,

01:05:18:02 –> 01:05:58:08
Natural na na natural licks and stuff like that? It’s not, it’s not everywhere. Yeah. You know, you’ll see where the water will, you know, cut out a side of a bank in a, you know, right off the base of a mountain or something like that. Yeah. And you know, you start looking for, for salts and iron deposits and stuff like that. And you just changes in color. And even when those areas are dry, and you’ll notice there’s tracks in ’em, you know, and they keep going back to ’em. Even if you can’t pick up the color, you know, the reason why they’re going back to those spots is because of the mineral. Even if you can’t pick out the color. So

01:06:00:18 –> 01:06:19:24
That’s crazy. How do you deal, how do you deal with the heat? How do you deal? Let’s say you’re, you, like you said, you, you’re running washes and jump, willing to jump shoot bucks all day long. Are you freezing water, have frozen water bottles in your pack? Or how much water you actually, how much water are you going through in a day? Gimme a little rundown.

01:06:20:00 –> 01:06:22:28
I’m, I might take a little 12 ounce bottle of water with me.

01:06:23:07 –> 01:06:23:16

01:06:24:27 –> 01:06:43:16
So during the summer, it, it’s all about climatizing during the summer, every day at 1130, I run three and a half miles. I don’t care what the temp is in my work clothes. And, you know, I push myself and I

01:06:43:16 –> 01:06:46:08
Call, I, I call bull bull crap.

01:06:47:11 –> 01:06:48:00
I do it every day.

01:06:50:29 –> 01:06:55:15
No way. 115 degrees Yuma. Yeah. Whatever. 115,

01:06:55:17 –> 01:07:01:06
120, whatever. Ah, whatever. I do it every day. I got a Garmin, I can send you the info.

01:07:01:24 –> 01:07:05:16
Wow. So you’re, so you run, you’re, you’re sucking water while you’re running?

01:07:06:13 –> 01:07:18:22
No, no. I hydrate before I run. Okay. If I don’t drink, if I didn’t drink yesterday and try to make up for it by drinking today, it’s not gonna happen.

01:07:19:04 –> 01:07:19:13

01:07:20:10 –> 01:07:50:11
So everything you do today is for tomorrow. And so I’ll pre pre hydrate. And what I’ve found is the more water that you take, the more water you have to drink because you’re carrying extra weight. And then if you have any backpack or anything on you, your body’s not able to ventilate and you just sweat more, then, you know, I, that’s not, that’s probably not for everybody to do. And definitely not every situation.

01:07:50:14 –> 01:07:54:13
Yeah. You don’t wanna be liable for 14 deaths that occur this summer. Yeah, no, I understand

01:07:54:19 –> 01:08:32:14
This, this, this time of year. This time of year. You know, I’ll, I’ll carry a camel pack or something, you know, or, and that’s on short distances. I’m not out there stretching 15 to 20 miles, you know, away from a vehicle this year. No. This time of year, no. But once it starts to cool off, I can, you know, I hydrate pretty much the day before and I don’t a whole lot the next day. And I, you know, can sip on that and I’ll take some solid ego or something salted or salted plums and pop one of those in my mouth and every now and then just to get a little boost and yeah.

01:08:33:08 –> 01:09:17:20
That’s how I do it. But I would prefer, you know, during, during the winter months, I would prefer when I’m bow hunting, I’d prefer to be able to glass ’em up and, and put a stock on ’em, whether I have a radio or not. You know, whether they’re solo or not. I, I’d prefer to glass ’em up. I think if you’re just out there tracking and still stuck and you’re setting yourself up for a lot of, a lot of failure before you connect. And another thing is, you know, I, I’ll, I’ll never glass something that I haven’t put my feet in. I, I like to explore and cover things. I do get up on the mountain with my glass. I know what I’m looking for and I know why they’re there. Yeah. You know, and it, it makes you more efficient when you’re glassing because

01:09:18:04 –> 01:09:24:07
You know what your glass, you know, where you know where you’re spending 90% of your time glassing and why, and it’s ’cause that’s where all the tracks are.

01:09:24:17 –> 01:10:25:02
You can get lucky and just get up on a hill too and go and fire away and, you know, see ’em. But yeah, that’s not the way that do it, you know, and so it pays off and moisture, moisture patterns, like I said, I keep logs for, and I, and I try to do, I try to do five to eight year cycles because an animal born on a good year, five to eight years down the road, if he’s got moisture in that three year window, he’s gonna produce, you know, if he’s got the genetics Yeah. To go with it. So I try to keep a, keep a running record, you know, five to eight years always looking ahead, you know, and I, I, I start doing my vegetation scouting, you know, one year advance. Like I said, you know, it’s EAs it’s easier to stay focused on deer that are already in an area before everything greens up.

01:10:25:25 –> 01:10:37:27
What? Well, and so what are you, what’s like your bucket list? I mean, is there are, what are you looking for on the next buck? Or what do you, what’s your goals on that?

01:10:38:18 –> 01:10:45:02
You know, I, I want, I want a 200 inch typical so bad. I can taste it, but

01:10:45:16 –> 01:10:46:11
What’s it taste like?

01:10:49:02 –> 01:10:53:08
I dunno, you tell me, but

01:10:53:19 –> 01:10:55:09
Hey, hey, I haven’t killed a 200 net.

01:10:56:26 –> 01:11:03:27
I, I, I really want that. I’m gonna be, I’m gonna be disappointed in myself. I don’t, I don’t pull that one off.

01:11:04:03 –> 01:11:07:08
Are you wanting a gross 200 net book or you want a net 200

01:11:07:23 –> 01:11:10:20
Gross? 200 will work as long as he’s typical. Yeah.

01:11:11:02 –> 01:11:11:11

01:11:13:14 –> 01:11:35:17
But man, it’s hard. It’s hard to lay off, you know, and yeah, I’ve had some good bucks in the previous years. I had a decent, I mean, one that was pushing 200 this year that had a few extras on him. Yeah. That’s the one I that sent you pictures of and That’s

01:11:35:17 –> 01:11:35:21

01:11:36:14 –> 01:12:08:02
You know, I had, I end up, you know, a few days later I had my dad with me, which doesn’t get around as good as he used to watching on the hillside with me. And you know, I had a solid bucket down there below me. And I, you know, figured it was a, it was a good time to, to harvest one. And it, it’s not like you got a lot to choose from. Yeah. You know, deer, they estimated, you know, one per square mile and that’s all deer, you know, cut toes,

01:12:08:02 –> 01:12:08:12

01:12:08:29 –> 01:12:09:05

01:12:09:06 –> 01:12:09:11

01:12:09:26 –> 01:12:16:15
Whatever. Yeah. Cut 70% of that out for bucks. Yeah. You know, so now you’re only 30% of that one.

01:12:17:08 –> 01:12:18:11
Yeah. Yeah.

01:12:18:27 –> 01:12:34:03
And it, it’s a vast area. It’s, I mean, I mean there’s areas where, you know, people have been hunting with vehicles for years because, you know, they can get away with it and they’ll go for a week without seeing anything. And that’s driving. Yeah.

01:12:34:24 –> 01:12:35:17
Well you, you know, so

01:12:35:17 –> 01:12:36:26
Imagine if you’re out there walking.

01:12:37:26 –> 01:13:25:03
That’s true. But you know what, what is kind of nice is, is you’re kind of out there by yourself. Although people are finding out things. I know your footprint’s bigger and bigger and you’re hitting a lot of different units now and, and whatnot. But, you know, you can kind of raise a deer like that. So like, it’s just a matter of, and I’ve, and I hunt some of these places where you can’t buy a lot of landowner tags or things like that. ’cause you get kind of a professional hunter who hires professional hunters or whatever, and you get a real heavy influence of, of predation from you and I hunters and it’s harder to raise them. And so, you know, it’s nice like where you’ve kind of got a, I don’t know, a monopoly or, or a mindset that allows you to have a monopoly out there.

01:13:25:05 –> 01:14:12:06
You can raise these bucks. And so when you find 180 incher that’s three years old, or 190 that’s three years old, or three and a half years old, you know, you could raise that deer if you wanted. You could so, you know, not harvest 190 inch or maybe even eat a tag on 190 incher, which it’s hard to do, but, but waiting for him to be 200 and that’s what it’s gonna take. It’s gonna take you to do that four or five times maybe and allow them to get two or three years older. You know what I mean? Which then there again, now you’re, say you’re whatever, 38, 39 years old or you know, pretty soon, you know, you’re watching deer. It’s not very pretty quick. You’re 45 watching one or two bucks, get to where they need to be, or five bucks hopefully.

01:14:13:02 –> 01:14:21:26
Yeah. And, and the and on top of that, they gotta make it, you know? Yeah. Not, not only, you know, do do I gotta find him

01:14:22:07 –> 01:14:27:10
And you let him go. But he has to. Yeah. He has to survive 120 degree. He has, he has to survive a line.

01:14:27:10 –> 01:14:27:25
He has to survive.

01:14:28:08 –> 01:14:29:11
Yeah. Yeah.

01:14:30:01 –> 01:14:42:10
And, and the funny thing to add to the story of the big buck that next year we had a cat move in that area and kill the majority of the big bucks that, geez, were

01:14:42:21 –> 01:14:45:14
Wiped out, were in there, wiped out for six years. Yeah.

01:14:45:18 –> 01:14:48:00
Things worked out at the right time. Did

01:14:48:03 –> 01:14:50:28
You have your buck scored Boone and Crockett?

01:14:52:19 –> 01:15:19:27
He, I didn’t have him officially scored Boone and Crockett, but the s e i score was a Boone. Well he, he has a Bo and Crockett score, but it would’ve eventually needed to be panel scored. And he was 2 92 and four eights net. He had three inches of deduction. He had a 208 inch frame. And yeah, he’s a, he’s a tank.

01:15:19:29 –> 01:15:32:28
One of a kind one of a kind. Well, yeah. Is there anything else that you wanna tell us? Any other bucks that you’re, that you’ve been following or that were major heartbreaks that maybe did die from a lion or you or disappeared altogether?

01:15:33:17 –> 01:16:38:28
I, I did have a, a 200 inch typical that we watched and I ended up jumping the gun on another buck and harvesting him. So I just kind of had to play the waiting game and sure enough, Katt got him, so Oh my that then that’s how I knew. And that, that deer was, he was probably, I don’t know, between 32 and 35 inches wide, super tall. I’ve got his sheds too. Geez. But yeah, that’s a heartbreak. And I get asked a lot if I would rather hunt, I hunt a rutt or, or pre rutt. Yeah. And I, I see on Facebook or or Instagram a lot of people, you know, or, or really worried about the rutt and make that an excuse so to why they’re not harvesting or, or seeing anything. And, and yes, the rutt, you know, makes they’re, they become more available. Yeah. But it also makes it harder.

01:16:39:29 –> 01:16:41:17
They’re moving to hunt. Yeah.

01:16:42:18 –> 01:17:18:29
So, I mean, it’s a lot easier to harvest a buck when he’s by himself than when there’s 20 other sets of eyes around him. Yeah. You know, so I think, I think that I, I would prefer, you know, hunting pre rut. I not post rut because they’re normally pretty broken up around here. The competition is high. Two years ago I had a 200 inch buck that located, and the one 70 buck that I ended up killing broke him off. Geez. So

01:17:19:11 –> 01:17:21:04
That one 70 buck deserved to die.

01:17:21:29 –> 01:17:25:14
Yeah. He, he, he turned, he turned into my target, you know, and then Yeah.

01:17:25:26 –> 01:17:26:05

01:17:28:25 –> 01:17:40:10
A few days later, Andy, Andy Dykes and myself went in and killed another big four in there that ended up taking over the herd, but

01:17:40:28 –> 01:18:01:07
Wow. That’s impressive. That’s awesome. Well, I’ve, you know, and as you and I talked, I spent some time, my dad drew a sheep tag down there in the eagle tails, and we saw mid one nineties buck by accident. Didn’t even know what we were doing. Shocked to see ’em. I mean, there’s, there’s deer out there in that crazy country. It looks dear less, you know, should be dear. Less. Yep.

01:18:01:17 –> 01:18:19:20
Should be. You know, and they’re, you know, they’re probably, they’re very underestimated. You know, they’re, they’re probably the toughest heartiest animal there is to Yeah. To hunt just because of what they have to go through. They don’t give up.

01:18:20:09 –> 01:18:33:04
Yeah. Well, right on. You got Goodyear lined up. You’re feeling, you’re feeling good, you’re feeling up to it, still running your three and a half miles in 115 degree heat. You ready?

01:18:34:01 –> 01:18:57:20
Yes, sir. I’m ready. I’m feeling, I’m feeling pretty good. I’m, I’m, I’m really, really looking forward to this year. So I, I kind of, I, I, I cut out the running long distances, you know, and looking for animals in multi-state and stuff like that. I, I took your advice on, on, I heard you say, you know, try to stay within two and a half hours Yeah.

01:18:57:28 –> 01:18:58:17
Of your house

01:18:58:19 –> 01:19:26:08
And Yep. Yeah. Of your house. And I think even that is a poke, you know, if, especially down here when the numbers are super thin anywhere. Yeah. So I’ve been, been staying a little closer and, you know, trying, trying to focus on fewer areas. And I do have some out-of-state tags, but yeah, I’m not, I’m not as engaged in them as I am in Yeah. My home state.

01:19:27:08 –> 01:19:33:20
Is it helping, do you think, do you feel like honing in and keeping it tight is, is helping your chances? I mean, do you feel better about it?

01:19:34:08 –> 01:20:02:14
Yeah, it’s gonna pay off. Yeah. It, it’s gonna pay off. You know, it, it’s still too early to tell as far as what they’re gonna finish out. Like, you know, that some of my books have some really good feet. They’ve had good feet all year. I’ve got some good age class, but you know, they, they’re not even close to topping out, you know, it’ll be, yeah. It’ll, it’ll be the end of September before you get a really good idea of what he’s going to do.

01:20:02:18 –> 01:20:06:21
You’re stripping velvet at the end of October, just beyond that. Yeah. So, yeah,

01:20:07:08 –> 01:20:46:21
I’ve always told myself that I, you know, ’cause I’ve watched, I’ve watched over the years, a guy kill a big buck and then just hold off, you know, for something better and better and better or, you know, think that he has to match that. And I’ve, and they, you know, kill one deer, you know, one significant deer or maybe two. Yeah. You know, I, I wanted to, I don’t wanna sit on the side of the mountain and waste my life away, you know, I enjoy the pursuit. I enjoy the stock. So it’s a, it’s a balancing act, you know, I, I know that I really want, I really want that, that clean, big typical. But

01:20:47:08 –> 01:20:49:12
Yeah, you’re gonna lay some stuff down between now.

01:20:49:17 –> 01:21:12:05
Yeah. I mean, I, I’m gonna play, I’m gonna play the cards that are up to me and be in the moment. I guess it’s all about, you know, learning from mistakes and learning from others’ mistakes and building on that and, you know, making your own, writing your own story, you know, off of knowledge, you know, the knowledge that’s out there, you know, every situation’s different. So yeah. It, it all helps.

01:21:12:25 –> 01:21:58:22
What did you think about this real quick as we’re wrapping up? I mean, we talked a little bit about Mexico and there’s not a lot of difference between your country and Mexico, but, but it is private ranches in Mexico. But again, that doesn’t matter a lot. That almost maybe even adds pressure down there because there’s selling tags and, and it’s again, diving into the professional side of hunting where people are making a living to pay ranch leases and stuff and trying to make a living hunting. And so, you know, it adds another element of ser serious pressure. But what’s your opinion, I know you’ve spent some time in Mexico, in fact, you’ve even spent some time in crazy parts right there along the border. But what’s your opinion on genetics and, and the deer you’re hunting versus the deer that exist not too far from you?

01:22:00:02 –> 01:22:45:24
So there’s, I mean, you get that sono genetic down there. It’s a, it’s a, a wide deer, a a long main beam deer. And they’re, I don’t know, they, they have a little different muzzle and you can tell there are different deer. And we, we get ’em, get the same deer on the, they start weeding up the further north you get Yeah. On occasion, you know, you have a buck that will, that area down there, those, those deer, like a little sandier country, it seems like to me. You will, you will get the occasional snoring that’ll, you know, give up his home territory and just decide. He likes it a little further north.

01:22:48:11 –> 01:23:29:02
But the ones that we do get up here, you know, they, they have that big long main beams and, and, and some good mass to ’em, as most of our other deer are, you know, they’ll get good mass, but maybe they’re not that wide. And they’ll have, you know, the longer times and great fronts, weak backs. I don’t know that there, there’s a, there’s a few mixtures of them around here, and they’re, they’re getting more split up all the time, you know, interchanging with each other. But there’s definitely a diff a little bit different genetic the farther south of the border that you go.

01:23:29:12 –> 01:23:38:19
Yeah. Better or worse, just wider three by fours and crazy stuffed out down there, or, I mean, I just don’t see a 295 inch coming free range down there.

01:23:39:22 –> 01:23:40:10
I just don’t

01:23:40:10 –> 01:23:41:20
See it. I don’t see it.

01:23:42:18 –> 01:23:43:22
Neither do we.

01:23:45:13 –> 01:23:45:28

01:23:46:23 –> 01:23:57:03
Well, so I mean it’s, you know, I I’ve I’ve seen other, you know, two hundred and thirty, two hundred forty inch trashy bucks.

01:23:58:25 –> 01:23:59:12
Free range.

01:24:00:05 –> 01:24:43:28
Free range. Yeah. But they are few and far between, and that’s over a long, you know, career so to speak. And it, I don’t know that people understand how much it takes to make 200, 300 inches. Oh yeah. You know? Oh, yeah. So to get that, I mean, that was, I, it, I I still don’t believe it, you know, 2, 2 20, 2 30. That’s, that’s doable. You know, it, I’m not gonna say it’s easy doable every year or even ever. 10 years. 10 years. But somewhere out there, there’s one. Yeah.

01:24:44:05 –> 01:25:31:20
Well, and it’s like you said, look at how hard you’ve hit it, how hard you’ve hit it and, and you killed an absolute monster. But then your next best buck, you know, you’re talking great bucks, solid bucks, but it’s like you’re still looking for that 200 inch typical, or you’re still looking to gross 200 and, and it’s, and you’re hitting it harder than anybody I know. That’s telling me, that’s telling me a lot. I mean, it tells me a lot, like, like, I don’t know if there’d be another 295 inch and if there is, you know, what’s the chances a guy’s gonna kill it on that one perfect year? And it’s just, it’s just an unbelievable series of events with that particular deer. But it also goes to show you how, I don’t know, lucky you were on that particular deer, but also how hard it is.

01:25:31:20 –> 01:26:15:14
You’re hitting it extremely hard. You’re well thought out, methodical, silent killer. I mean, and that’s, and it’s, and I love it. I love guys that are, there’s something about guys like you, you know, and myself at times, where you just, there’s something off about us where we’re just doing stuff that maybe, you know, doesn’t get done at times. And it’s just because with that obsession and, and it kind of takes that, you know, to, to be consistently successful. And you look at yours, you’re as consistent as anybody down there. And, and look what you’re pulling out and, and they’re great bucks. But to kill another, even buck 2 22 30 is a monumental feat.

01:26:16:13 –> 01:26:35:10
Yes, it is. Yes it is. And you know what, I don’t know that there’ll ever be another 2 95, you know, or one that one that beats him. It’ll be bittersweet because you know, of what he is and what I went through to, to finally be able to pull it off. But I will be blessed to see another one in my lifetime.

01:26:36:20 –> 01:26:36:28

01:26:37:19 –> 01:26:39:09
It would be a blessing. Well,

01:26:39:09 –> 01:26:39:17

01:26:40:00 –> 01:26:41:04
No matter, no matter who kills

01:26:41:04 –> 01:27:03:22
It. What are the statistics? When was the last buck over two 50 killed? I mean, not the strip a little bit south of the Colorado River, not including tines buck, you know, in unit nine or something. But I mean, what is, what, what’s the last giant down there in some of that, your country? Would you consider Southern Southern Arizona. Southern Arizona.

01:27:04:28 –> 01:27:20:27
I think there was a two 40 archery buck a little farther east from us, and then a two 20 central Arizona archery buck that was killed. But anything bigger than that has been in Mexico.

01:27:21:15 –> 01:27:25:09
And so those two bucks, and we’re talking in the last 20 years or plus.

01:27:26:11 –> 01:27:32:13
Yep. Wow. I think, I don’t know how big Eric Hunt’s buck was. I think it was in the two twenties. Yeah.

01:27:33:03 –> 01:27:33:11

01:27:33:11 –> 01:27:41:05
It’s such a giant. So, so yeah. I mean, they’re out there. Yeah.

01:27:41:07 –> 01:27:45:24
There’s, there’s a couple, there’s a couple over several decades. It’s just unbelievable.

01:27:47:05 –> 01:28:12:23
So I, it just, it, like I said, I’ve, I’ve got it. I mean, and it might pan out, but what I’ve, you know, what I’ve come to believe is, you know, I think I’m, I’m best working a five to eight year cycle because I, their, their prime is five to eight years, you know? Yeah. Even though this buck was 230 inches at, at three years old, but he was a freak. Yeah. You know? Yeah. He was a

01:28:12:23 –> 01:28:45:05
Freak. And then you freak and then you made, it continued the freak streak when you freaking blew an arrow through him. Yep. So, and then he grew, I don’t know if he grew bigger. I mean, he started, he got bigger. Well, yeah, he started earlier. He shed early, so he started early. So I don’t know, maybe that had something to do with it, but yet the next year he comes out even bigger and, and he had totally recovered, had, you know, umpteen months to co to recover from that wound. And so, I don’t know. It, it’s cool to think about. It’s really cool. But, and he wasn’t stag. Like it’s one thing, like I could see a 300 inch stag coming from your country

01:28:46:19 –> 01:28:57:18
That that’s, that’s what we thought for until I finally found him with, you know, three dos. And then we didn’t know if he was actually breathing those dos or not. And then,

01:28:58:27 –> 01:29:01:22
But when you killed him, he had normal set,

01:29:02:02 –> 01:29:03:12
So. Yep. Yep. He had normal and he doesn’t

01:29:03:16 –> 01:29:17:04
Set, and he doesn’t look like stag. Like he doesn’t, he’s too pretty. He’s awesome. He’s amazing. Yeah. 208 inch frame and not that weird, tight velvet and obviously hard worn and shedding every year and all of these things, you know. Yep.

01:29:17:13 –> 01:29:33:25
And, and fighting. ’cause you know, the sheds I picked up, he, he had broke the part was main beam off and then he, you know, he had the cuts in his ears and scars on the face, you know, and they don’t get that from no sitting out there being pretty. No,

01:29:33:25 –> 01:29:55:18
They don’t. Well, right on. Well, ire, appreciate you spending, it’s turned out to be an hour and 45 minutes. Unbelievable. But I appreciate you spending that kind of time with us and, and sharing some of your experiences, knowledge that you’ve gained by being out there and doing it. And dude, I just, I can’t thank you enough and wish you the best man. I want you to freaking keep laying ’em down.