EP 106: Coyote Hunting with Garrett Johnson. In this episode of the Epic Outdoors Podcast we talk with Brush_Wolf_Hunter, Garrett Johnson. Garrett talks with Jason about Garrett’s experience in coyote hunting and things he has learned over the years. Garrett shares many stories of recent competitions including National Championships and many others.

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It is insanity how mean they get and how territorial and protected they get over their pup.

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What about these old, older, smarter coyotes?

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There’s a lot of good comes from a hand call.

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Anything to do with Western big Games.

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Hey everybody. Jason Carter here with the Epic Outdoors Podcast coming at you from Southern Utah, snowing a little bit here in Cedar City. Got Chris in the room. Of course, he’ll just be running the computer and making sure I don’t say stupid things. So anyway, appreciate y’all listening. I want to thank Under Armour for sponsoring this podcast. They do a lot for us and they, and they sponsor about everything they do, including these podcasts. Got a lot of great gear coming out this next year. They’ve had a lot of great gear this year and doing incredible things. And so anyway, with wintertime and whatnot, they do have some incredible clothing still out on ua.com. You can check it out. ua.com, under Armour type in Baron. That’s generally what I do. Shortcuts you every to everything hunting that they make. And so anyway, another one of our friends is phone scope Chesterton Davis, good friend of ours, he makes adapters for dang near every cell phone out there.

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I’m here, man. Good to talk to you.

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Yeah, you too. You too. I know. I guess you just got off work. I was teasing you a little bit about not being jobless as much as you’re hunting dogs, huh?

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Yeah, I gotta do something. I’m not claiming I do a lot, but I gotta do something.

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Geez. I watch social media and I’m just wondering about you kids and everybody that’s out, just doing whatever they want whenever and, and not having jobs. But I’m glad you got one.

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Yeah, yeah. Down. It’s, it’s a miracle, but I’ve done it.

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That’s awesome. It’s awesome. Well, basically we’re, you know, I got you on here. Of course, you probably kill about anything and everything that comes in front of you, but mostly about coyotes. It seems like you’re just, you’re one of the top in the, in the profession right now, if you call it a profession, which they never like to call mule deer hunting a profession either, but we make it one, so.

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Right, right. Anyway,

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Yeah. And we’ll just kind of dive into this, but tell us, before we get started, just tell us a little bit about like, where you’re from, maybe how old you are and, and kind of how, what built Garrett? How’d, how’d you get to where you’re at?

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Well, I came from a, a big background of hunters, you know, that the, the mule deer hunt in my, in my family was like anybody else’s in southern central Utah. It was a, it was a religion, you know, it, opening morning of the rifle hunt was be better than, you know, Christmas day for sure, around my, my family and whatnot. So I grew up like that. You know, I was born in Richfield, Utah. I’m, I’m 36 years old, so I hang out with a lot younger crowd. My, my partner, he’s only 24 years old, so I

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Called you a kid and

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I know I’m kind,

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I’m kind of sorry. I’m sorry about that, buddy.

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I’m close. I’m close to your age. But

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No, I grew up right there in, in Monroe, Utah for the most part. I, you know, my mom and dad raised me right there in, in Marysville, Utah. My dad and my grandpa started Dairy Farm back in the day, and I just have always loved the outdoors and, and, and just been crazy to get out and get in the dirt. I never was a video game guy. I was just always hands on and, and out and about, and that’s just always where I wanted to be. And, and as far as, you know, the background of calling coyotes, I honestly didn’t even really care about coyotes or even really put much thought into him until I was about 15 years old. And my father-in-law, which is still my father-in-law now, he wasn’t my father-in-law, 15 years old, but yeah, I was dating, I was dating his daughter, and he knew the only way

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He could We’re from Utah, we’re from Utah. You just never know.

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Yeah. He, he, he knew the only way he could keep me away from his daughter was to take me out and, you know, yeah. Just go out and either shoot some rabbits or do something or whatnot. And he knew I loved to do it, and he loved to do it. And yeah, he goes, here’s this, here’s this hand call. He caught coyotes with this thing, and he starts squealing on it, and I start laughing and he goes, no, I’m not kidding you, you squeal on this thing and then coyotes come running and and you shoot him. And I’m like, what? Show me. So he went and we set up in the rocks probably only, shoot, I still make that stand to this day. It’s only, it’s only four miles away from the house. Wow. And he starts squiggling on that thing. I’m sitting over there in the brush giggling at him, and there’s Kyle right on the ridge, you know?

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Yeah. 200 yards away. And I start casting lead. And I didn’t realize at the time that shoot, they’ll run you over and get a thin shotgun range. Yeah. And then it just, it went from there and it, it just Wow. Was a disease. It just got in me and I, I bought every v h s tape that Les Johnson and Randy Anderson put out. And yeah. I did everything in my power to do what they did. And, and I didn’t have YouTube and, and social media and things like that back then. And Right. That’s, that’s, that’s how I did it. And I loved it. And like my wife says, she goes, man, you’ve had so many hobbies and so many things, but Kyle Hunt is the only thing that has ever really stuck with me. And it has just constantly plagued our relationship just because

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It’s, Hey, took dad’s fault. Yeah. Nothing to

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Do with you. It’s fi And finally my wife just decided, you know, hey, if you can’t beat him, join him. And, and she’s one of my right hand Wow. Partners. I mean, she is, you don’t let her

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Out. You don’t let her shoot, do you?

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No, I’m actually not a dog hog. I mean, I’ve seen a lot of coyotes come to the call. And so over the years I’ve gotten a lot more lax with that. And I, I just enjoy watching new, new timers come and, and kill some coyotes, and I get the joy out of calling the coyote. And, you know, that’s, that’s for me now is tricking those coyotes. Is is my, is my jam. Yeah.

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Well, right on. And so, let’s see, so I guess you’re at 15, your future father-in-law takes you out. So you’ve been dating this gal, or, or just knew of her throughout high school? Or did you guys pretty much high school sweethearts?

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That’s, that’s, yeah, that’s it. Wow.

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Dang. Well, you can’t say she didn’t know what she was getting into because

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Right on. Well, yep. So I know your family’s big into deer, like you said earlier, and, and all of that. I mean, you continue to hunt deer or Yeah,

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I gotta say right now, this is like a kid that has loved basketball his whole life. Talking to Michael Jordan. I gotta say Jason, you know, I’ve always looked up to you and, and being, you know, right around you and, and getting to watch what you’ve done, you know, and the accomplishments you’ve made with a deer that I’ve known, you know, and things like that. Hell, I can remember I was a beer man at the time. You probably don’t remember this, but that was probably that, don’t

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Tell everybody you delivered. Don’t tell everybody you delivered to my house.

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No, but it was probably 12 years ago that you shot that archery buck out there. Yeah. And I can remember running across the street ’cause the word had got out, and I remember just, you had him on the back seat and I was just, my mind was blown. ’cause I, I knew where he’d killed him and yeah. I just, it’s really cool to, you know, to talk to you and stuff, so it’s, that’s cool too. Yeah,

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It is. It’s cool, man. And it’s wa it’s fun. Been fun to watch you, you know, grow up, dude. I mean, you freaking, you’re like the national champion, which we’re gonna jump into that, and that’s a big deal. And, and I’ve, I am not a, let’s just face it, I’m not a, I want to be a coyote hunter. It takes a lot of skill to be a coyo hunter, and I just, I go out and screw with it, and I do kill a few each year and take my kids. But I mean, man, they’re not gonna learn a lot from me. There’s a lot to it. There’s a lot to it. And I’d like to glean a little of that from you for the, for the listeners as well, just, you know. Yeah. And you may not want to teach everybody quite everything, but we want to know, you know, pull as much outta you as you’ll let us have. So

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Where do you want, where do you wanna start?

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I’m good with starting like, you know, with hand calls versus, versus the electronics or night calling. Okay. All your, all your, I hit you up about a night setup. I mean, it would just be, I’m just watching you guys use thermal imaging or whatever it is. I don’t know what it all is, but just wherever you wanna start. We got a lot to talk

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About tonight. I, if it’s St. Bra, the background that you probably did. I mean, we used to just leave right there from Cedar City and head out on the desert and we’d blow the fox pro Yep. Sitting on a spare tire in the back of the truck and run five miles down the road and turn back around and run the beams all the way back through it. I mean, that’s just old school stuff. Yeah. But yeah, anymore it’s, it’s totally different. And a lot of people discredit night hunting, like it’s easier and little do they know it, it’s just as hard to night hunt as it is to today hunt, in my opinion. Yeah. I feel like, I feel like, you know, there’s a lot of things that you don’t have to deal with during the day that you do at night. Yeah. I think the coyotes are a little bit better about coming to the call maybe at night than they are during the day. Yeah.

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A little less apprehensive.

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But I mean, as far as discrediting night hunting that probably shouldn’t go on, guys that know what we do as far as thermal and, and the things that we do, it, it’s, you know, I don’t know. I think it’s just as hard if not harder. But yeah, as far as an electronic call or a hand call, they all serve their purpose. They all, you know, I’m not an expert and I don’t want to be acting like I am an expert and giving everybody all this crazy advice, but they all serve their purpose. And I feel like these kids that are getting into it and jumping into it and wanna learn that is a great way to get their base like I did. And like most good callers have is learning how to set up for the wind and the, and the sun and everything you need to do with a hand call that’s gonna teach you a lot more than just setting a electronic call up downwind.

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And, and, and yeah. Pushing him into that electronic call. There’s a lot of good comes from a hand call and getting the base of your predator hunting from the hand call. Yeah. And, you know, I feel like newcomers should probably take a little bit of that away from this podcast. Is is that right there? You know, start, start with the basics, you know? Yeah. Understanding, understanding the basics. It’s like anything else. But if you’re a good hunter, like you, Jason, you know what you’re doing. I mean, it, it takes everything in you to, to creep up on a mule there. And it’s no different with coyotes. You gotta, you gotta understand where they live and, and you know, you gotta scout for ’em. You gotta, you gotta, you gotta do everything that you basically gotta do to hunt any animal.

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Well, that’s what I,

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I really don’t feel. Yeah.

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Yeah. And that’s what I kind of wanna talk about is like from start to finish, like when you’re finding a stand, I mean, obviously you’re paying attention to what the wind’s doing or whatever when you’re driving and then like, you know, just like a milder, you’re not gonna park and, and, and think that your, you know, deer’s gonna be within two to four or 500 yards. I mean, generally you’re gonna park, you know, and not be noticed, hide your truck, your glare off your windshield, all of those things. And then, you know, you’re gonna hike to a bit to get to a knob to glass or whatever. And I’m sure you’re doing that with coyotes. You just kind of wanna go start to finish on your stand, your stand set up, you know, what you’re thinking as you’re driving along, you’re figuring out where you want to ditch the truck and hide the truck. I mean Right. How deep do does it go? I mean, there’s a lot of guys that’ll just go out there, park, hop up on the knob, they can see their truck and they’re gonna go ahead and start calling. And it may or may not work for, you know, pups or whatever, but I’m sure the, you know, older dogs are pretty dang smart.

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I think a lot of these guys are overthinking a lot of what you, I mean, as far as scent control and things like that. Hell, I’ve been out with guys that are lighting up cigarettes in the stand. I mean it Oh wow. If a coyote, if no, if a coyote is going to wind you, a coyote’s gonna wind you. Yeah. And I, and it took forever for me to realize it doesn’t matter how much scent control you put on or what you get, you do as far as that. Yeah. If a coyote’s coming to your downwind, he’s gonna win you regardless. He’s gonna

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Win you and you’re done. Yeah,

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Yeah, yeah. It doesn’t matter if you’ve not showered in three days or you showered that morning and did everything you could, he’s gonna win you. Yeah. That’s just, you can’t fool coyotes nose. Yeah. That’s just all there is to it. I’ve been a trapper my whole life. I just, you, you just can’t fool a coyote. Yeah. And, and you know, as far as like hiding the truck, you definitely wanna hide the truck. I feel like, you know, hide it the best you can. You walk in there and, and another thing that kind of bugs me, not bugs me, but I have a lot of kids and, and guys and whoever hitting me up and asking me like, what’s your go-to? What’s your go-to? And being and doing it, as long as I have, I feel like there’s not a go-to for me, I walk into a stand, I see what we got and it’s not always the same. So sometimes I’ll start out with a lone howl, and then other times I’ll start out with a serenade or, or you know, sometimes you’ll just sit down and you’ll just start blowing the rabbit call. Or sometimes you might sit down and you might just start blowing pup distress. Yeah. I mean, it just doesn’t matter. It’s just what you feel at the time might work the best and you just hope there’s coyotes in the area and they want to come to what you’re, what you’re throwing at ’em, you know. Well,

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What’s the general time of year like? You gotta have some kind of, of breakdown is this is generally okay. When I would, when I would howl, this is generally the serenade, this would be the pup and distress. Sure. I mean, what are those segments of year,

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You know, I howl year round. I’m not saying I howl on every stand year-round, but I use howls year round. Okay. 100%. And I am one, you know, I get a lot of grief from a lot of guys about hunting year round, not for fur, blah, blah, blah. I, I say fur, I’ve been, I’ve put up fur a long time. Like I get that guys, but if they’re gonna put out a $50 bounty here in Utah, I’m gonna take full advantage of it. Yeah. Okay. So I’m getting paid that, not just saying if I hunt here in Utah, but if I hunt anywhere, it’s gonna make me a better caller if I understand what the coyotes react to 12 months outta the year. Yeah. And I, I love that because I’m, I feel like I’m more well-rounded than the guy that starts, well, back in the day, you started in October after the deer hunt, and then we went coyo hunting Sure. Till till January. Then we were done before

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We start getting good. Yeah. That’s when the furs

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Were recent. Yeah. And that’s, that’s, that’s what we did. But now, I don’t know, I howl year round, I call year round. I love the different reactions all year round. They’re, they, they act totally different in d different times of the year, like the dinning season, they’re super territorial and dogging has now become my favorite way to call coyotes. Yeah. I don’t like to, I don’t like to talk about that a lot just because everything I talk about it seems like it just gets more and more popular. And I feel like I’m kind of like, like Reggie Parsons, my, my good friend burning himself starting times up, you know what I mean? It’s just, it’s getting to that point now where Jason Carter

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Freaking starting podcasts talking about milder all the time. It just is what it is, you know, but Right.

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It’s gonna get out there. And I, I get that, but decoy dogging is, it is my favorite time of the year to call coyotes because you’ll never in your life see such an aggression out of a canine other than that time of year. I mean, it is insanity how mean they get and how territorial and and protected they get over their, their pups. Yeah. And that to me is just, it is so fun. So, and you can kill the

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Smart coyotes. Are you starting that like in May 1st? Or when are you roughly A lot of our dogs are ping out. What about April? May?

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Yeah, March, April, may. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it’s so spread out and I feel like that is our fault for the simple fact of the pressure. Yeah. Coyotes are weird. They’re so, so smart. And I feel like they’re smart enough now that they, they are doing some weird things with the pups because I’m killing pups. That shouldn’t be the ages that they are when they are. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I don’t know if that’s always gone on or

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I just haven’t, you’re, you’re probably killing killing the pups or doing, or something’s going on and then they’re coming back into heat or something and changing up the cycle, seeing, I don’t know.

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We’ve never, yeah, we’ve never been able to smash some of these theories that we have, but I feel like if there’s guys like me that go out and den coyotes for the bounty and we dig up a den early in March, I don’t see a reason why that bitch wouldn’t come back into heat later on. And then she’s the one that’s having these pups that are way, these are just my thoughts. Sure. Anyway, but I mean, let’s get back, let’s jump back and not get off topic, but let’s just jump back in as far as getting set up and doing what you need to do. I mean, it doesn’t take a lot to get into predator hunting. I don’t feel like, you know, a, a hand call costs you 15 bucks at max. You got your, you’ve already got your rifle. I don’t feel like any rifle is better than another as long as you’re comfortable with the setup. Well,

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It needs to be like a 22 caliber doesn’t, like a 22, 2 50 or a whatever, 2 23. I

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Mean Yeah, I mean, in preference. In preference, yes. For sure. And as far as like sticks and things like that, I would never go out in the field without a set of just shooting sticks. Yeah. And, and we used to make ’em at the hardware store with wooden dowels and a and a’s screw running through it with a bolt. Sure, yeah.

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Absolutely. Dip them in like a liquid rubber at the top and I mean, dude, and you just freaking take your parking knife and sharpen the end and call it a shit pair of shooting sticks, you know?

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Yeah. And it costs you less than $10 at the hardware store. It doesn’t take a lot to get into predator hunting. So the young guys that are thinking it takes one of these $300 to $600 ecos and all this fancy gear that, you know, I use Yeah. Because I’m associated with a lot of these great companies now. And that, you know, I’m, I’m, I’m doing some advertisement for ’em and stuff now.

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Well now you gotta tell everybody that you, all your success, your, all your success is, is owed to them.

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See, I I I, I’ll never be that guy. Alright,

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Well good. I’m just keeping you honest, just keeping

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You honest. Yeah.

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But well, and Lee calls like, honestly, where’s you out to freaking hand call all the time? Like, it’s, it’s aggressive. You’re out, you’re working it, you know, plus I’ve always wondered about the movement, like you’ve got a little bit of movement, you probably learned how to minimize that and maybe it doesn’t matter. Maybe it don’t, maybe a little bit doesn’t matter as much.

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Well it does. There is a definite advantage to run an electronic call just for that reason. You know, it takes all the pressure off you and you can filter that coyote in the exact spot you want him to go. I feel like, you know. Yeah, yeah. There’s always gonna be that dog that back doors. You, that’s, that’s just coyote hunting. That’s just what’s gonna happen.

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So does the Diane Rabbit work you round, basically, I mean, Diane Rabbit works year round, you’re calling or you’re howling year round. Is it just to locate ’em and then sometimes you’re, you’re howling to call him in and when did you do

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That? Yeah, it, yeah, howling. It just gives me a sense of security to know that there’s those coyotes in the area and, and knowing the howls back, it kind of puts you at ease or it just tells you to jump back. Jump up boys, let’s go back to the truck. It’s worthless to sit here. Sometimes you can pinpoint those, you know, those different vocalizations and you can understand what a, you know, educated coyotes are. And that’s all down the line when people, that’s all going out in the field and learning from experience. I, that’s how you hear gain all that. I can’t teach that.

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And that’s what I hear a lot of. I hear, I sit down and calling and all of a sudden we get the howling and I’m like, oh yeah. Gigs out,

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Let’s go. Yeah. You know, I mean Oh yeah, you heard it. I mean, when you’re stocking in on mu on a mule deer and the Kyle’s busted, they they warn the whole valley.

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Yeah, they do. Yeah.

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And it, you know what that sounds like ’cause you’ve heard it. So

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What about like all the birds and all these other, there’s a lot of different calls and sounds you can make. I mean like, if you’re in, let’s say you’re in your hometown valley, you feel like it gets called a lot. What do you, what do you mix it up with?

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Man, hometown Valley? It’s just,

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Or you feel like you’re, the way that

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I would do it is not necessarily playing a different sound. My, my go-to thing in a hometown valley is hitting it in a different way that no one else is really getting in there. Yeah. Or getting in deeper. Yeah. Because I feel like there’s always that side hill or there’s always that roll in the knob knob and that’s where every single one of these guys is setting up and setting their call. Sure. If you walk, if you, you know, dedicate yourself to walk a little bit further, get into their living rooms and then set up and then do something a little bit more aggressive. Yeah. And that’s, that’s worked for me in the past with the hometown coyotes just getting in in their living their living room just that much further. Yeah. Because, you know, they’re there. Yeah. You know, they’re there, but you’ve just gotta, you gotta break that barrier and that barrier’s basically their comfort zone. And if you’re inside that it, it’s, it doesn’t matter how educated they are, if you play the right sound inside that comfort zone, you’re gonna irritate somebody there. Yeah. You’re gonna steer, you’re gonna stir up the wasp nest and it’s gonna be, it’s gonna be mayhem. Especially come, you know, denon season. Yeah.

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So are you mostly howling to, to locate and then you’ll start in on a, on a dying rabbit, you know, 10 minutes later or?

00:23:16:18 –> 00:23:55:14
Yeah, I mean in, in competition settings it’s more or less, let’s get to the point. So there’s no howling going on in competition settings. It’s, it’s run in play the dying rabbit or play some pup distress and, and let’s get back to the truck. Yeah. It’s, it’s a numbers game as far as when you’re in a competition, it’s just, I don’t think it matters what distress you play. A lot of people get caught up in, yeah. Oh hey we played it with, with lightning jack or we did with this one or this one or this bird distress or cocktail or, or a deer. I really

00:23:55:14 –> 00:23:57:08
Don’t Faunas distress or

00:23:57:17 –> 00:24:08:18
Yeah. And I don’t, in my experience, I don’t feel like that matters. It’s just he either wanted to come or he didn’t or he wasn’t there. Really. That’s the thing is he is he’s gotta be there.

00:24:09:05 –> 00:24:09:18
So let’s say

00:24:09:21 –> 00:24:10:24
The CO’s gotta be there.

00:24:10:26 –> 00:24:55:15
Yeah. He’s gotta be there first off. And I think that’s part of this, and we’ll jump into that too at some point, but you know how you increase your odds in a competition? I mean, you prec scout or howling and figuring out, you know, this place, this place, this place or whatever. But anyway. Yeah. Talk to us a little bit about, about some of that as far as your setup, your trying to decide what you’re gonna play and, and basically if the coyotes there, you figure he is gonna come no matter what you play. But what about these old, older, smarter coyotes? Is there something that you’re just hitting ’em with something different? Like, dude, I’ve seen, I’ve had guys, you know, the flamingo freaking dying flamingos or something crazy weird that that just all of a sudden peaks their interest and I don’t know, you know,

00:24:56:00 –> 00:25:25:11
Pup distress or a fight sound. Rick, Rick Paulette, the guy that built the library for the Lucky Duck call, you know, when there’s other good guys out there like, oh shoot, Tony Kebby and some of these other guys that have some coyotes and they’re building some, some really great sounds. And I built some really cool wicked sounds out of the two coyote pups that I had for as long as I did. And, and that pup distress right now is working really good on some educated coyotes.

00:25:25:12 –> 00:25:27:09
Really? Did you put ’em in a studio and,

00:25:27:26 –> 00:25:28:21
You know, it wasn’t set ’em

00:25:28:21 –> 00:25:32:02
With mics and just do it as though it’s pristine and clear or?

00:25:32:22 –> 00:25:42:00
I would, this is no joke, I did it all off my cell phone and it was just pitting those two, the brother and the sister together. I mean it’s, oh,

00:25:42:03 –> 00:25:43:02
I’ve seen some of your videos

00:25:43:08 –> 00:26:40:26
Like, like in that video. Yeah. You know, that’s, that’s basically how it went down. There was never any, any torture or anything. Yeah, sure. I feel like some of this probably goes on, but No, I think a pup distress or some of these fight sounds that they have now or, you know, maybe breaking those older, smaller, smarter coyotes loose. Yeah. A little bit better than, ’cause there there is, like, Colt and I were in, shoot, what competition was that? I can’t even remember. But we were in a competition not too long ago and it was the second morning and it was the very first stand and we brought a six pack in and we both shot and the coyotes ran off and went out to about a thousand yards and started warning, barking and we could see ’em and they were throwing dirt and carrying on and, and being real aggressive because you know, of what had just went on.

00:26:41:01 –> 00:27:10:16
Sure. And we went into some fight sounds and went into some other things and then it probably only took like four or five minutes. And the one Kyle looked at all the others and was like, Hey, you wanna go back over there? And they, I’m going and he come off the hill and the rest of them followed him right back into a hundred yards again. I mean, and gave us a second. Yeah. It’s a, it’s a crazy thing when you start playing those, some of those sounds. It, it just works. Wow. I mean, but it’s an educated guess,

00:27:11:04 –> 00:27:15:24
Honestly. And so what are you doing Bluetooth into a speaker from your phone? The, the stuff that you recorded or?

00:27:16:15 –> 00:27:48:00
No, I sold them to a guy and he, he now sells ’em on, I just gain royalties off of what he sells. Oh, cool, cool. I just sold the MP three files to him and he cleaned them up and chopped ’em up and cool. And made some other, you know, some other stuff out of ’em. I, I put bird distress out there and a few other magpie sounds that I recorded and, and did. But that’s just all for me being out in the Yeah. You know Yeah. Out and about and being able to capitalize on some of the stuff I hear.

00:27:48:00 –> 00:27:50:07
Oh, that’s there. That’s awesome. I should tell everybody where to buy, you know?

00:27:50:18 –> 00:27:57:04
Yeah. Coyote calls.com you can buy my whole sound file and on they’re guaranteed to work

00:27:58:22 –> 00:28:00:19
As long as, as long as they don’t win you.

00:28:01:14 –> 00:28:02:13
Yeah. As long as light up,

00:28:02:13 –> 00:28:19:20
They don’t win you. As long as lighten up a cigar ain’t gonna count, so. No. Oh, it’s hilarious. Well, right on. And so when will these, the pup in distress or, you know, pups fighting or whatever, will they work you around even though they’re not pups you around? Or is there a time Absolutely

00:28:19:27 –> 00:28:27:02
It will. No, absolutely. Yeah. Pup distress is a go-to call. I mean, if you took everything away from me, even

00:28:27:10 –> 00:28:27:28
December and that

00:28:28:17 –> 00:28:41:28
Yeah. I mean December is like what all of us coyote hunters laugh about anymore. It’s like December laws. I mean, there’s nothing but, well, the

00:28:41:28 –> 00:28:45:15
Putts are grown up a little bit, a little bit educated. Yep, yep, yep. They’re older.

00:28:46:16 –> 00:29:01:16
It’s gonna be tough to find. I mean, but you will, you’ll run a valley and you’ll jump out and you’re, you’re willing to grind out, you know, 15 stands that day, you’re gonna find a pocket where there’s a one or two dumb coyotes that either haven’t heard a call or just really, really hungry. Wow.

00:29:01:23 –> 00:29:08:14
Tell me about like, when they start to pair up in January, is there something or is that where your, you know, your dog and December,

00:29:08:17 –> 00:29:25:20
That’s January. December January is by far the hardest time to call coyotes in my experience. Yeah. That’s for around here. I’m, I’m not saying, I mean, if you went to Mexico and you were in the high rack and these coyotes hadn’t been touched on a ranch,

00:29:25:20 –> 00:29:27:02
Oh, you’re gonna call ’em all, all year round.

00:29:27:11 –> 00:29:48:12
All day long. Yeah. I mean, it doesn’t matter. You sit down, you put the Fox pro out there, but that’s because they haven’t been called, that can happen anywhere as long as they haven’t been called. Yeah. So if you have places like that, don’t stop calling coyotes in December and January because I’m sitting here talking about how hard it is. Yeah. If you know that there’s areas like that, man by all means pound them. Yeah.

00:29:48:20 –> 00:29:53:19
Yeah. And so, and so what do you, what would you use when they’re paired up, let’s say January, February?

00:29:54:08 –> 00:29:59:18
Same. I mean, if they’re not educated, absolutely. We’re just gonna sit down and play the rabbit or some pup distress

00:29:59:23 –> 00:30:04:18
Or howen like, does a how male get possessive of this, you know, when they get

00:30:04:18 –> 00:30:27:14
Paired up like that. Yeah. That’s, that’s a really fun, that’s a really fun thing when you make a, make an a, a male mad because he might think you have his girlfriend over there or Yeah. Whatever. And he comes in and he’s throwing dirt and screaming at you. That’s a lot like decoy dog season. Wow. You know, some of those reactions that you can get that time of year are a lot of fun, but they’re few and far between. Yeah.

00:30:27:20 –> 00:30:27:29

00:30:28:11 –> 00:30:32:16
I mean it’s, you have a two dog day in Utah right now. You are a stud.

00:30:33:19 –> 00:30:39:06
Well, every time I turn on Instagram, people are having two, three and four dog days. So I just don’t where they’re all coming from.

00:30:39:29 –> 00:30:43:01
You know, I don’t know how many of those are really coming up to Utah.

00:30:46:03 –> 00:30:52:19
Let’s, what about, what about, let’s dogging real quick. Is there certain breed a dog that works better than others or, I mean,

00:30:52:24 –> 00:31:11:07
I don’t think so. No take, I really don’t. Yeah. Just any old dog that understands what you’re asking of him. I mean, I don’t think the larger breeds would be a way to go just because it’s gonna intimidate the coyotes. Yeah. They’re, they’re survivalists they’re not gonna go over there and get in a fight with a German shepherd. Yeah,

00:31:11:07 –> 00:31:11:16

00:31:12:09 –> 00:31:39:03
You know, and even, even the decoy dogs that you do use that are 40 to 60 pound dogs that you’re using are, I mean, the coyotes are still not going to full on fight those coyotes unless they’re in a pack and they, they have, you know, security in numbers. Right. A coyotes not stupid. They are not going to put themselves in jeopardy Yeah. To where they might die. They’re survivalists they’re the ultimate survivalist.

00:31:39:03 –> 00:31:52:07
Yeah, they are. So, they’re unbelievable. Well, tell me about, say you’re, you got a partner. I mean, when do, when do do, when do you both have a rifle versus one with a shotgun? What’s the roles you set up

00:31:52:28 –> 00:32:26:06
Backs to back? My partners not a big shotgun guy. I’ve always been a shotgun guy. No, it’s, it’s not always back to back. It’s just the lay of the, the country. A lot of time I’m out in front with the shotgun, laid down with the rifle, but the shotgun’s in hand, like in most competition settings and the rifle’s usually off to my right. Sitting in the sticks, just in the upright position. Okay. And then he runs the rifle. Sometimes we both pack shotguns, but a shotgun goes to the stand every single time. Really?

00:32:26:27 –> 00:33:12:12
Yeah. Every, every single time in, in nationals. There was not one single coyote that got pumped. Full buck shot, never once got to kill a shotgun coyote. And like I say, shotgun goes to set every time. Yeah. There was two times in nationals that I got lucky. I left the shotgun in the truck and I got lucky and made running shots on coyotes. Yeah. I mean, because I had, I had totally, geez, you know, underestimated the way the stand layout was and things like that. People think, oh, it’s wide open, leave the shotgun. That’s not always the case. I get caught up doing that too. ’cause I get lazy and don’t wanna pack it. Yeah. But when you get lazy and you don’t pack it and let your guard down, that’s when they mow you over in the wide open.

00:33:12:29 –> 00:33:22:20
So when do you u when do you, when do you feel like you’re gonna, they’re come close enough and you need to lay into ’em? Are you waiting for 150 yards? A hundred? You let ’em keep coming.

00:33:22:29 –> 00:33:44:20
You’re just, you’re just watching the body language. It’s just like any, any animal you understand what their ears are doing or what their head’s doing. But if they’re at a kamikaze coyote and they’re just blowing in as fast as they can, that’s, that’s when I use a shotgun. I’m not the guy that takes a shotgun to go use Yeah. Just the shotgun. Yeah. I use the shotgun for just

00:33:44:20 –> 00:33:45:14

00:33:45:14 –> 00:33:55:10
Self-defense. Yeah. Absolutely. Yep. Yeah. Yep. And cleaning up just ultimate crazy messes, which if they’ve, they happen really, they happen. Yeah.

00:33:56:00 –> 00:33:58:10
Five pack comes in and you’re just laying into ’em.

00:33:58:18 –> 00:34:05:16
Yeah. I mean you’re just, everything you got and then you’re throwing the shotgun off in the sage and you’re picking up the rifle trying to clean up the rest of it. So

00:34:06:24 –> 00:34:07:23
That’s freaking awesome.

00:34:08:05 –> 00:34:12:15
That’s what makes it fun. Wow. That’s what makes Kyle hunting fun is it’s not always the same.

00:34:12:29 –> 00:34:28:07
Yeah. That’s crazy. Tell us about your rifle setup a little bit. I know a lot of guys like ar I just, I have an AR and I, I like it and I’ve killed Kylees with it, but dude, I’m just a, I love my Oh yeah. I love my 22, 2 50 bolt gun. Oh yeah.

00:34:28:26 –> 00:34:54:20
Absolutely. And that’s, that’s where, you know, that’s where I’ve, that’s what I grew up hunting with and that’s what I love. And day hunting, I still run my bolt gun, I havers and, and things like that. But I feel like the ar serve a lot better purpose for sure. Thermal hunting Yeah. Is be, you know, they have their purpose there for me. And that’s where I like ’em. Well

00:34:54:20 –> 00:34:57:28
Is it just to have you have more rounds or the speed of it? What is it?

00:34:57:28 –> 00:35:19:01
Yeah, it’s, it’s just the more rounds it’s, ’cause you’re, you, you’re looking through that screen and it’s, it’s kind of like a video game. It really is. It’s, yeah. It, the ar stay down and then if you’re jacking around with a bolt gun Yeah. If you’re not really savvy to get back on that, coyote is super tough and thermal. That

00:35:19:01 –> 00:35:19:28
Makes sense. That makes sense.

00:35:20:16 –> 00:35:44:08
And you’re able to stay on your targets and when, you know, in the dark, you’re usually calling a lot of multiples and, and you’re able to swing on that second cut a lot easier. And Yeah. And the ar just works a lot better. But it’s a bolt gun to me. I’m just, I’m just like you, I’m old school. I just love the, the reliability and the accuracy and just everything about a bolt gun has just always fit me

00:35:44:21 –> 00:35:51:25
Well. They, they’re tight, man. These ar everything’s just a little loose and it just, I just never get quite the accuracy outta it.

00:35:52:17 –> 00:37:15:19
Yeah, exactly. No, I, I love my bolt gun. I just run a, a cheaper rifle. I, I run through rifles pretty quick. I, I hunt a lot and I shoot a lot. And the 22, 2 50, the Hordy soup performance rounds, you know, they’re, they’re loaded up a little bit hotter and, and you’re not gonna get the barrel life that you would normally get. Yeah. I just shoot a, I grew up shooting a Remington model 700 v l s for coyotes and it’s underneath the bed right here. But I retired it a couple years ago and got a a how a 22? Two 50. It’s a 1500. It’s probably really only a 300 $5,400 gun. Yeah. And it just is a tack driver. And I just run vortex optics up on top. I like a low powered scope. The one I’m running now is the razor lightweight hunter three to nine. Okay. And it just has, it just has really good field of view. And I always, yeah. I always had loop pulled three to nine varix twos. Sure. And that’s, that’s all I ever shot. But I, I shoot my rifles on a really low power. Yeah. I always keep ’em super low. My, my partner thinks I’m crazy, but I shoot coyotes out to 300 yards and the high as I crank it is on eight. That’s just Wow.

00:37:16:12 –> 00:37:20:16
Are you putting it just six inches over their back or just right at the top of their back? Generally

00:37:20:22 –> 00:37:27:19
At 300 yards. I’m, I’m just touching guard hair. Yeah. If I’m touching guard hair, they’re gonna die. ’cause I’m zeroed at a hundred.

00:37:28:02 –> 00:37:28:10

00:37:29:13 –> 00:37:52:28
I, well I used to shoot an inch high at a hundred. I’m like why? There’s no sense in it. Yeah. I just, I dead on at a hundred and I’m good. Anywhere from a hundred to 10 yards. And it’s just, yeah. It’s just what works for me. I’m not a big turt guy. Yeah. I don’t dial. I feel like if I have to dial on a coyote, I haven’t done my job and that’s not what I’m there to do. I’m there to call coyotes and I’m not there to

00:37:53:12 –> 00:37:53:21

00:37:54:05 –> 00:38:00:07
Bang at ’em, you know, dial and bang at ’em. But there’s, there’s times I’ve done that. I’m not saying I haven’t, but Yeah.

00:38:00:18 –> 00:38:01:01
Well, what

00:38:01:04 –> 00:38:02:02
It would be nice. What

00:38:02:02 –> 00:38:04:15
Kind of bipod are you using? I mean it

00:38:05:11 –> 00:38:45:04
In, in competitions. I’m a stick guy still. Are you really? I’m, I’m the fastest on my sticks. And they’re just, you know, fiberglass sticks like you’re saying with rubber top. Yeah. There’s nothing to ’em. And that’s, yeah. All what I’ve always shot and I’m, I’m really quick with it. You have to be quick in a, in a competition setting, you can’t really set up with a tripod. My partner shoots with that new swagger bipod and he absolutely loves it. And I love it too. I’ve just never gave it a fair enough shot. Wow. And so, I mean, it’s just whatever works for you. Yep. If you feel like it’s working for you, go with it. Don’t overthink it. Yep.

00:38:45:23 –> 00:38:54:21
What, what about the time of day? I mean, are you midday morning evenings? Is there one versus another? Windy. Not windy.

00:38:55:22 –> 00:39:42:29
I used to be that guy. I used to be the morning and evening guy. But anymore, what I kind of have found out is those first few stands in the morning are always the funnest. ’cause you’re anticipating it and you’re, yeah. You know, you’re excited to be out, blah, blah, blah. And I feel like those first couple stands are like getting to be some of my worst because I feel like you expect the most, the COEs are more aw, they’re more alert. They’re, they’re up, they’re hunting. They’re still haven’t made it to their bedding areas. They’re out and about. They’re listening. They’re watching. Yeah. Everybody’s getting going in the morning that there’s more traffic on the roads, there’s more things going on. And I feel like the coyotes are more alert, those first few stands. It totally makes sense. And I, and I feel like I’m more successful from 10 to two.

00:39:43:17 –> 00:39:43:24

00:39:44:14 –> 00:39:45:17
It’s, I mean, it’s like

00:39:45:17 –> 00:39:46:12
Calling turkeys.

00:39:47:06 –> 00:39:47:14

00:39:47:21 –> 00:39:50:19
You guys are really successful in 10 to two. They are.

00:39:51:13 –> 00:40:22:03
Yeah. But no, that’s just that, that might be just in my head because in nationals it was crazy. The first few stands of our, of our whole trip were our most productive. But I mean, it’s just the day and the setup and how you got in and how quiet it was when you got in. Yeah. And if, you know, if they were in the, if the coyote was in the right area in that thousand yard range away from you, he didn’t hear you come in or, or the lay of the country was just right. It just has to be just right.

00:40:22:16 –> 00:40:32:29
What about the volume? And then, then I’m gonna dive into nationals and stuff, but tell me about the volume of on a e call versus, you know, loud versus quiet. I mean, what do you

00:40:33:26 –> 00:41:23:18
If it’s quiet outside, I’m, I always start quiet. That’s just me. I always start out a little with a little something Yeah. Quieter. If it’s super quiet early morning, you know. Yeah. That’s just me. If it’s like that, I usually just grab the hand call and rip the hand call a couple times. And then, and then if nothing goes af from after that, you know, I’ll, I’ll run the electronic call and Okay. Bump the sound up a little bit. But I always sit and mess with it. Just grab it at the house and put it, put it in front of you and turn it towards you and, and get your volumes and look at your remote and see what that volume was and if it sounded right. Yeah. You know? Yep. And then memorize your volumes and understand how your call sounds at those volumes. And, and that’s, that’s just what I’ve always done. I’ve always tinkered with it that way

00:41:24:05 –> 00:41:34:02
This night hunting, is it, is it legal to use this the night scopes and different things on non-game predator animals about anywhere or what’s the

00:41:34:29 –> 00:41:48:24
Yeah’s certain counties, you know, that allow it and you have to go to your, your sheriff and get a signature and you have to let you know you have to go get a permit, A spotlighting permit is what it is. I mean, those have been around forever. Yeah.

00:41:48:24 –> 00:41:50:11
Here in Utah. Yep. Yeah.

00:41:50:20 –> 00:42:14:19
So I mean, you just gotta make sure you’re within your county statutes and, and follow the laws as far as that go. But private property is more or less my go-to in the evenings. Yeah. Just because I, you don’t really have to worry about it as long as it’s legal to night hunt in the county and you’re, you’re good and you’re taking care of taking care of the coyotes for somebody, you know, that’s usually when we do it.

00:42:14:25 –> 00:42:15:26
Cool. Right on.

00:42:16:16 –> 00:42:16:23

00:42:17:12 –> 00:42:46:22
Well, let’s talk about these competitions. I know you spent time in Nevada, they’ve got all kinds of competitions around. I mean, did you get into that room right away? And it might be just a natural, we’re a competitive by nature of just guys are, and hunters are competitive. But obviously it helped you learn a lot and you probably learned a lot, forced to learn a lot fast and really make it a priority. But how’d you get into that and, and what did you learn from it? And then let’s talk about some of the defining moments of some of these competitions and how, how they came off.

00:42:48:14 –> 00:43:50:21
Competition hunting probably came about almost 10 years ago. Just a local Milford, Utah competition, you know, and, and me and my partner Riley Rose from over there. He’s like, man, let’s do it. We hunt the same country. And I’m like, all right, let’s do it. And then that’s, that’s kind of where that one came from. We started being able to put up some numbers and, and be competitive in our local competitions is usually where it started. And then it just snowballed from there. And, you know, I started hunting the world championships from an old boy. He actually rolled up to a gas station in Milford with a world championship sticker. And he goes, he is like, how do you, how do you hunt in that? This is after a few competitions. And he goes, you just, you gotta get invited. And I says, Hey, or have a, an in with someone. And I go, Hey, would you, would you, you know, put in a good word for me and get me in on that deal. And he ended up doing that. And I, I hunted worlds back then and Wow,

00:43:50:25 –> 00:43:54:24
This was before social media or? Yeah. Without anything really.

00:43:55:05 –> 00:44:56:13
Yep. And so I, I got into the world championships that way and, and the highest I ever, I, oh shoot, it was sixth place, but back then it wasn’t like it is now. It’s really gone downhill. There’s been some bad, bad things go on as far as the way that the contest runners have ran it and controversy as far as that You mean like cheap is considered or what? No, no, no. Not cheating. Just not, not paying out the proper payouts. Oh, I see. And things like that. So people got bad taste in their mouth, but back when we placed sixth, it was a hundred teams. I mean, so sixth place was like pretty good. Really, really good. You know, you’re in the, you’re in the top six and that, and as far as nationals and that goes, it’s always been something that I’ve wanted to do, but I’ve honestly been scared of it. Yeah. Nationals is like a competition where 20 coyotes or you don’t come back to check in.

00:44:57:04 –> 00:44:58:24
I mean, like, you’re not gonna show your face.

00:44:59:16 –> 00:45:58:01
And, and Les Johnson is like, I don’t know, he’s like my Michael Jordan, you know what I mean? Yeah. He, he’s, I’ve known about him my entire life. I’ve taken a lot of the way that he calls is my style because I got to watch him and that’s just what I did. And he was successful, so I wanted to do what he did. But yeah, he, he hunted nationals and, and was a national champion winner and a Triple Crown winner. And, and I just was honestly always scared to go to this competition because of guys like that. You know, I’d never felt like I had what it take, I just didn’t have the edge that I needed to put up those kind of numbers. Yeah. And I just kept learning and kept learning and kept going to more competitions and building, you know, confidence and, and gaining knowledge of the country and where the coyotes were and what we needed to do to put up those kind of numbers.

00:45:58:04 –> 00:45:59:25
Faster truck and make more stands.

00:46:00:09 –> 00:46:01:18
Exactly. Don’t

00:46:02:02 –> 00:46:02:11

00:46:02:11 –> 00:46:03:00
Go back in the day.

00:46:03:20 –> 00:46:05:00
Don’t don’t drink beer, get after it.

00:46:05:07 –> 00:46:12:16
Exactly. You just, you know, I drink a lot of beer, but I do not drink beer while I’m Kyle. No, that’s a, that’s a serious thing for me. And yeah,

00:46:14:17 –> 00:46:14:28

00:46:14:28 –> 00:46:38:23
Monsters, I just Yeah, exactly. And, and we, back in the day, we didn’t understand, you know, if we put 2015 to 20 stands in, in a competition setting, we were like, man, that was awesome. We did great today, blah, blah, blah. But yeah, little did we know, you know, to be competitive, you’ve gotta put, you gotta put down thir 30 to 40 sets anymore. Wow. I mean, these guys,

00:46:39:20 –> 00:46:40:27
10 minutes of piece of

00:46:40:27 –> 00:46:55:01
What they doing, there’s no, there’s, you know, it just, it just depends. Yeah. That’s the thing is there’s never a set number, but I mean, there’s stands that we’re there for four minutes and we’re leave, we’re gone. Yeah. If we sit down, we just don’t feel like it’s gonna happen. We just get up and we leave.

00:46:55:06 –> 00:46:56:06
Cut your losses. But

00:46:56:25 –> 00:47:08:08
I mean, it’s just, you don’t slow down. You run, you jump fences, you don’t really worry about things that you worry about when you are trying

00:47:08:08 –> 00:47:09:05
To be quiet and perfect.

00:47:09:10 –> 00:47:18:18
Yeah. Yeah. What, yeah, just going out and having a perfect day. Yeah. You’re just going in there and hoping and praying that coyotes in the proper area you need to be to get him to the call. Yeah.

00:47:18:18 –> 00:47:19:29
He’s got his head down and you’re just huling

00:47:19:29 –> 00:47:20:28
Hustling it. Well, yeah.

00:47:20:28 –> 00:47:22:14
Yep. While you’re jumping a fence.

00:47:23:02 –> 00:47:31:26
Exactly. You just gotta pray that all of it comes together. And we internationals this year and, and we set out to kill 20 coyotes.

00:47:31:26 –> 00:47:39:02
Was this, was this by invitation or did you have to win a few or place in Nevada and some other competitions or this, how do you do it?

00:47:39:11 –> 00:48:30:19
So, so nationals was invitation only back in the day, like a lot of these, but they kept losing a lot of, a lot of players. So they opened it up to the public now. Okay. And so we got in and it’s under new new management this year. And we got in and, and decided we were gonna do it. And my partner and I got together and we had some ground that we had saved for this. And we got out there and it just, the stars aligned. That’s all there is to it. We were not better than anybody we were that day. But it doesn’t make us a better caller. It was just that the coyotes reacted to everything that we did. Yeah. And we shot 100%. Yeah. We never lost a coyote and we never missed a coyote’s. Every coyote

00:48:30:19 –> 00:48:41:08
That came. That’s what you said. I, I remember when you, when I hit you, you were on your way home and, and I hit you and it’s like, dude, you know, and you said, you said that just no, none of them got away.

00:48:42:02 –> 00:48:55:12
Yeah. I mean, and, and so we’re sitting there and, and we killed 25 coyotes the first day. Yeah. That’s retarding. And that was from morning till three o’clock in, in the afternoon. And we had to, we had to quit hunting at three.

00:48:55:26 –> 00:48:57:18
Everybody does. We had to get like everybody does.

00:48:57:22 –> 00:49:01:00
No, no, no. We had to get out of the place we were in. So

00:49:01:00 –> 00:49:03:01
You’re driving way away from everybody.

00:49:03:04 –> 00:49:15:01
Yeah. We had, we had a long drive, so we had to Wow. We had to get out of there and, and, and get to where we needed to be to be close enough to check in the next morning and start hunting the next morning. So,

00:49:15:03 –> 00:49:17:23
So when do you check in, in the evenings? Like when do you check in? So

00:49:17:23 –> 00:50:11:20
The evening we had to call in, but what was really cool is I started a competition eight years ago and I always wanted to eliminate the cheating because I’ve always heard of the cheating and this and that. Sure. So I came up with a, a method on two cell phones, two smartphones where you have to pick the coyote up, shake the coyote, state the sex of the coyote, and show how many times the coyote was shot, and then tag the, the coyote all on one continuous video with the proper tag. So there’s, there’s no, there’s no way you can cheat. Sure. I mean, because the coyotes get rigged mortis within 30 minutes. Sure. And so in this competition, little did I know, they didn’t even warn me, but when I got to nationals, they pulled me up on stage and they asked me to teach everybody that method. No one knew that was gonna happen.

00:50:12:02 –> 00:50:12:26
Wow. That’s awesome.

00:50:13:16 –> 00:50:19:27
It was crazy. So I got up there and I taught everybody how to do it and everybody was on the same page and, and we all set out

00:50:19:27 –> 00:50:21:16
Did they give, did they give you a warm coyote?

00:50:24:04 –> 00:50:47:24
No, I, I wish they would’ve, that would’ve been cool. But everybody understands, you know? Yeah. These guys that are in these competitions are there for a reason because they, they’ve done it and they understand and Yeah. And the guys that are at nationals are the best in the world. And, and it, it’s, it’s a cool thing. And so we all set out and, and did our thing and we killed those 25 coyotes that day. And, and

00:50:48:20 –> 00:50:51:28
So you have to video ’em and then you have to show up and show up in person too.

00:50:52:20 –> 00:51:32:07
Yeah. So then we got to start hunting the next day, but we only have about a half a day to hunt the next day. And we killed six coyotes that that next day on our way. And we got there and we thought we were gonna blow everybody outta the water. I mean, we were like, oh yeah. 30 31 coyotes. Yeah. I mean, and the, the prior record was 24 coyotes in two days, and we beat the two day record in First day. In day. Yes. Yeah. And it was held by Les Johnson. Yeah. And so I was already on cloud nine. I was thinking, oh my gosh, I just smashed my idols freaking record dude. Yeah. We’re like, we’re, we’re just rolling across this time of our Yeah. You know,

00:51:32:14 –> 00:51:33:14
Young guns. Yeah.

00:51:33:14 –> 00:52:16:26
Yeah. We’re just having the time of our lives and, and we’re going back with, you know, we never got arrogant. We never got cocky, and we never let our guard down. Yeah. And I think that was key to our success because we kept grinding stands out to the bitter freaking end. I mean, we were, yeah. We were doing everything we could to pull more coyotes to the truck, even with having 31 coyotes. Yeah. Well, it was kind of funny. I mean, the, I gotta tell this story real quick, but we were just banging ’em out, banging ’em out, and we were running back to the truck and a coyote was backdooring us. And I go, Colton, right there, right there. And I go, I’m gonna run over there and shoot him. And we took off. He’s like, wait for me. And I just took off running for the wash on the other side and I kept looking for the coyote down in the bottom at like three, 400 yards.

00:52:17:29 –> 00:52:59:03
And I couldn’t see it. All of a sudden I see this Kyle just blown as fast it can out on the ridge. I’m thinking, my hell, that’s eight, 800 yards. And I got on my sticks and I put him at the bottom left hand corner of my scope and he was just going from, from left to right as hard as he could. And I put him down in there and just pulled the trigger and Colton’s like, oh man, he missed. ’cause he thought I shot down below, you know? Yeah. And all of a sudden here, and I’m like, this is, this has gotta be, this is a joke, right? Like we, we’ve shot a hundred percent and now I just shoot a coyote on the run at 800 yards. Oh Jesus. And I look at him and I go, dude, I just hit that coyote.

00:52:59:03 –> 00:53:26:26
He goes, where? I says, over on that side hill. He goes, you gotta be kidding me. And we just start like high fiving. I’m like, we gotta go. ’cause I had to get the check-in. Yeah. So I took off with a little bit of rope and ran across there. I says, get the range finder. Well, he arranged, it wasn’t 800 yards, but it was 600. Wow. It was 608 yards to the dot. Geez. And I got it. I got it back to the truck. And that was, that was lucky number 31. Geez. It was, was pretty crazy. That’s crazy. And that’s the ki that’s

00:53:27:07 –> 00:53:33:18
Following through. You didn’t stop your gun, you’re just following through. Keep your gun moving as you squeeze. Or you don’t even remember. Don’t even

00:53:34:05 –> 00:53:42:01
Remember was, it was the biggest Hail Mary I’ve ever chucked out in the air. Let’s just say that. It was the most luck that I’ve ever had in my life. My,

00:53:42:09 –> 00:54:06:16
Well, my brother-in-law, we had my 3 38 Remington ultra mag in the truck, and it’s perfectly dialed to 1500 yards. And anyway, we had a coyote at 607 or eight yards in Nevada. And he laid down and I mean, just hammered that thing, but this, this dog ain’t running, you know, he’s perfectly broadside. And we thought we, we thought we did something. You know what I mean?

00:54:07:03 –> 00:54:08:24
Yeah. No. I can’t

00:54:08:24 –> 00:54:13:20
Imagine a dog freaking tell, tell even with his nose running full bore, you know,

00:54:13:26 –> 00:54:24:28
Full bore. As fast as Kyle can go, I mean this, Kyle was not even looking back. I need to tell you what it, if this wasn’t meant to be, it wasn’t meant be. Wow. And it was just meant to be that day, days. And so

00:54:24:28 –> 00:54:27:00
30 dogs those days, 30 work dogs,

00:54:27:00 –> 00:55:08:01
31 coyotes. We get back to check in and we’re unloading coyotes. And, and the second place team rolls up and it’s a guy we know and it’s a good friend of ours and we’ve hunted, you know, a lot of tournaments against him. And we know he is tough. And we knew he was gonna be right there with us. And we looked at him and he looked at us and he goes, how many? And I go 31. And he just went almost the ghost white color. Oh. And he goes, 31 coyotes. And I go, yeah. And he, I go, how many? He goes, 30. Oh, they had 30 coyotes. I mean, and they hunted their balls off and they just, wow. You know, it was just meant to be for us. Wow. It was just neat. It just,

00:55:08:10 –> 00:55:13:08
Any luck ones driving down the freaking county road doing 50 and get out and dump one. I mean, we

00:55:13:08 –> 00:55:17:12
Had one road dog. Wow. The entire trip. Everything else was called in.

00:55:17:29 –> 00:55:18:18
That’s crazy.

00:55:19:10 –> 00:55:21:13
It was super crazy. Yeah, it was.

00:55:21:23 –> 00:55:24:05
So when’s check-in 6:00 PM or when is check-in?

00:55:24:20 –> 00:55:25:20
I can’t remember when it was,

00:55:25:29 –> 00:55:32:14
But No Night honey. I think it was You go to bed. No, you wake up. Yep. You meet together again. Seven, six or 7:00 AM And you crank out again.

00:55:33:02 –> 00:55:34:04
Yep. Yep.

00:55:35:11 –> 00:55:36:04
That’s awesome, dude.

00:55:36:04 –> 00:55:59:23
Start going again. And that’s, that’s the way most of them are. You know, the Nevada State Championship, we took third this year. It’s a 24 hour hunt. So you second you check in. Yep. You, you start night hunting and then you come, come back. But I won a pretty cool competition this year with Rusty Gamble. It was a, a two day shotgun only competition. Was it really?

00:56:00:11 –> 00:56:52:01
Yeah. And we, it was the average would win and we turned in three coyotes the first time or the first day. So we were really down on ourselves. ’cause we, if we would’ve had rifles, we would’ve shot, I think we counted like 17 that could have died. It was so brutal. And then the next day we, we had a 10 dog shotgun. 10 dog day shotguns only. I mean, you, you couldn’t, we didn’t even have rifles in the truck. That’s how crazy this was. You’d just sit there with a shotgun over your hip. But that competition taught me more in those two days than I’ve learned about coyotes in, I swear, five years. I mean, it was, it was nuts. What it taught me, like just patience and, and things like that that you need. It was really fun. Yeah. Yeah. It was, it was a lot of fun. It was challenging. But that was one of my, that was one of my favorite competitions to ever win. And we took first ended up taking first place. So whatcha are you

00:56:52:01 –> 00:56:54:07
Using for a shotgun? Like a benelli? Or you just,

00:56:54:16 –> 00:57:14:07
I used to just shoot an old pawn shop, Winchester modified choke, because I never shot anything over 30 yards. Yeah. But my wife, I was kind of getting pretty hammered to the point where it wasn’t Yeah. Doing what it needed to do. And I couldn’t rely on it. But she ended up buying me a Remington ax and I’ve loved that gun. It’s been What,

00:57:14:16 –> 00:57:16:01
What choke are you using on these with

00:57:16:05 –> 00:57:27:25
It’s just a full choke. I’m, I’m not shooting anything fancy. Like I say, I, I use it for, for ride up close coyotes, you know? Yeah. And full chokes just good mean, it’s just Poland coyotes. You bet.

00:57:27:25 –> 00:57:39:22
Yeah. Yeah, man, that’s crazy. So, defining moments of your life, you feel you’re like, that, that 600 yard dog, or, I mean, any other, any other crazy stories?

00:57:42:26 –> 00:58:29:09
My wife and I, last year, last March, we entered a competition in, in Eureka, Nevada. And that was, that was really fun with hunting with her. They, they only gave us 10 tags for a two day hunt. And we filled 10 dogs in one day and went back and, I mean, we of course swept the competition. But that was, that was a really, really fun defining moment. That was, ’cause it just doesn’t happen in March, you know that. Yeah. And it was all, it was all me guessing what to do. I, I left the vocals in the truck. I left the, the e call in the truck and I felt like that day I needed to be blowing a hand call. Wow. And I blew a hand call with rapid distress and, and had coyotes in Nevada running me over.

00:58:29:21 –> 00:58:32:00
Wow. Crazy. I mean, but Eureka,

00:58:32:10 –> 00:58:34:12
It’s just like a good lure. You don’t put it in the truck if it’s working.

00:58:34:17 –> 00:58:41:08
Austin and Eureka is like population nine, so. Oh, oh yeah. But they’d still get called a lot I think out there.

00:58:41:29 –> 00:59:06:25
Oh man. Yeah. You, it’s, there’s nowhere sacred really. I mean, you might know a couple pockets getting as deep into some country that you get into looking for those giants. Yeah. But I mean as far as good sage flats and things like that, there’s nothing sacred really anymore. I mean, yeah. Everything I’ve been around, I’ve seen guys calling and seen remnants of being called. So,

00:59:07:12 –> 00:59:08:05
Wow. Your

00:59:08:05 –> 00:59:10:25
Best sacred country is pretty tough to come by anymore.

00:59:11:01 –> 00:59:22:04
Oh yeah, it is. People are willing to do a lot, even for cow elk. I see him, people doing crazy stuff with Jeeps and ruining pickups for, for cow elk, which is, people work, people work work hard, man. They do.

00:59:22:13 –> 00:59:23:13
They do. Yep.

00:59:23:21 –> 00:59:24:13
So there’s

00:59:24:13 –> 00:59:48:18
A lot of, lot of avenues. I mean, there’s so much now, I mean, that you can do with your smartphone. Oh yeah. I mean, you know. Oh yeah. I mean you can figure something out really quick. ’cause if you go to a zone and it was good and you zoom out on your Google Earth and you look at that and you look at the way that it’s set up, yeah. You can pick a lot of good spots out by zooming in on a whole bunch of other different PA parts.

00:59:48:24 –> 00:59:51:15
Oh yeah. No question. So, yep. Yeah.

00:59:52:00 –> 00:59:54:01
I’m preaching the gospel though to you, you know,

00:59:54:19 –> 00:59:59:03
What is, so is that 25 dog day? Is that your best day or?

00:59:59:16 –> 01:00:00:14
Oh yeah, hands

01:00:00:14 –> 01:00:01:25
Down no matter what. Just

01:00:02:04 –> 01:00:06:02
Prior to that, I think it was a 13 dog day. Yeah.

01:00:06:14 –> 01:00:07:03
Wow. Yeah.

01:00:07:15 –> 01:00:07:24

01:00:08:00 –> 01:00:12:02
You probably need to put overload springs on them. Toyotas are, I don’t know what you’re running now, but,

01:00:12:09 –> 01:00:18:02
Well, I was running Tacoma, a brand new Tacoma until I wrecked it.

01:00:18:10 –> 01:00:19:01
Did you wreck it?

01:00:19:18 –> 01:00:25:03
No. My gosh, I totaled it. Yeah. Brand new 2018 Tacoma. I, I totaled

01:00:25:12 –> 01:00:26:19
Itt. Come on. I didn’t know that.

01:00:27:08 –> 01:00:34:02
Yeah, I didn’t, I didn’t tell anybody, but Yep. It was on a, in a coyote tournament or I was headed to a coyo tournament and

01:00:34:14 –> 01:00:36:29
Really going, flying in to check in and just,

01:00:37:10 –> 01:00:44:15
No, I wish I had that good of excuse. It was just late at night, just a bad accident. So No way. Fortunate

01:00:44:21 –> 01:00:45:18
Fall asleep or

01:00:46:09 –> 01:00:49:09
No, shoot, it’s a long story. That’s probably why didn’t,

01:00:49:16 –> 01:00:51:07
Alright. Alright. That’s all good.

01:00:52:04 –> 01:00:54:02
Let’s just stay, just stupidity.

01:00:54:09 –> 01:01:05:02
Alright. Alright. Yeah. Well, cool man. Well, what do you, where do you go from here? Like what’s your plan? Are you, I mean, is this something you wanna do for a living? Develop your own call line, develop? I mean, no.

01:01:05:09 –> 01:01:05:18
Is there,

01:01:05:29 –> 01:01:07:17
Is there a living man in Kyle hunting?

01:01:08:06 –> 01:01:54:14
I don’t know. There’s, there’s a couple guys being able to do it. Government trap. I don’t feel like, you know, no. There’s, there’s TV star guys and things like that. Yeah. I just don’t feel like that’s, yeah. You know, unless there was a, there’s this huge paycheck at the end of it, of course would, I don’t think so. Be stupid not to do it. But I don’t, I just don’t see that happening in my world and I just want to be, I just want to be that country boy that I’ve always been and crazy. You know, I’ve always been that, I don’t know, I’ve always been pretty rowdy and pretty Yeah. Rambunctious guy. You know, I’m fun to go out with all my buddies and go do what we do and I want to just continue to be that guy and, and be able to teach, you know, the, the younger generation, a little bit of, of this.

01:01:54:17 –> 01:02:26:19
And it’s just been fun with Instagram and being able to do some of that stuff. But I, I wanna remain the guy that’s true to his craft. You know, I want to, I want just be that guy and be known for that guy and, and be known for the guy that was never afraid to answer the questions and Yeah. And be very approachable because there’s been some guys in this, you know, it’s a lot like those old trappers. I mean, they don’t talk No. Or those old, you know, those old No, those old or like you Jason, you don’t

01:02:26:19 –> 01:02:50:27
Talk. Hey, I do too, dude. I talk a lot, but I’m telling you, there’s some of these old guys, they don’t, they don’t talk, man. And it was all about how many fish did you catch it? You know, or, or Yeah. How’d you do today? And they used to have buck contests and dude. Oh yeah. I mean, even to this day you got 70, 80 year old guys. I mean, they’re legit serious about it. And, and that’s how they judge a man is Yeah. How many fish you catch today? All right. And they walk away. You know,

01:02:51:03 –> 01:03:18:21
There was just some, there was just some bad taste in my mouth for some people, you know, back in the day. This just treated me wrong. Yeah. I was just trying to learn. Yeah. That’s all I was trying to do. And yeah. It just, you know, it upset me and I was like, you know what, I never want to be that guy. Yeah. I, I just want to be the cool guy and be able to answer some questions and have fun with hopefully people. Yeah. You know, hopefully people look up for me, look up to me for what I’ve done. And that’s, that’s, that’s who I wanna be known

01:03:18:23 –> 01:03:49:07
For. Yeah, for sure. Well, dude, and with Instagram it gives you a pretty heavy voice. You got a great following, you know? Yeah. And, you know, it allows you to throw, you know, throw these companies out there a little bit and throw them a little love and and whatnot and people that treat you well. And, and it’s awesome. There’s kids, my kid, you know, Sean just big into it calling his own coyotes, you know, ditching school here and there and, and yeah. It’s hard not to smile when he does that. Of course his mama don’t like it, but, you know, it’s just, well we

01:03:49:07 –> 01:03:49:13
Did it,

01:03:49:18 –> 01:04:07:23
It’s awesome. And he grips onto everything, you know. Yeah. I mean, he’s liking all your stuff and following all these kids and Sure. Not that you’re a kid, but even like Seth and some of these guys that are Right. You know. What about raising coyotes a little bit before we end here? Just, I mean, did it teach you a lot? Was it more than, oh

01:04:07:23 –> 01:04:47:11
Man, it was so crazy cool how that taught me, you know, I’d never do it again because it’s just not fair to the coyotes. Yeah. I got a lot of respect for ’em. A lot of people don’t think you do when you just go try to put 25 in the bed of the truck. You know what I mean? Oh yeah. But I just learn, you learn so much from these coyotes. It’s so fun. It, it really was. And it was a great experience and you know, I don’t recommend it. It’s not for everybody. I mean, they’re crazy, they’re wild. And you can never really take the wild out of a coyote. I mean, you can take a little bit, but it’s always gonna be there. I mean Yeah.

01:04:47:11 –> 01:04:49:07
You’re never taking them for a Sunday walk.

01:04:50:05 –> 01:05:26:16
No, you didn’t. Yeah. And you just didn’t, you didn’t put ’em around your face. I mean, there was always gonna be a nip or a bite or a Yeah. They’re just crazy little buggers, you know. But boy did I learn a lot. I did. I really did. And I, I feel like I was able to teach some people a lot about ’em too while I had ’em. So it was a lot of fun. It was just fun watching ’em grow up and get, get to adults and, and just watch the crazy things that coyotes do. I mean, even the kind of domestic dogs that I had just watching their natural habits, you know, it was just a lot of fun.

01:05:26:27 –> 01:05:27:29
Yeah. That’s awesome.

01:05:28:19 –> 01:05:29:23
Yeah, it was a lot of fun.

01:05:30:03 –> 01:05:36:00
That’s awesome. Well, any crazy stories? You ever have one grab onto the end of your boot or do something just run you over or,

01:05:36:25 –> 01:05:52:05
Oh, geez. Yeah. I mean, I could sit here and tell stories all, all night about that kind of stuff, but as far as one that really sticks out, oh man, there’s, there’s so many. I really don’t, I I don’t have like a

01:05:53:11 –> 01:05:56:12
Calling in lions, calling in lions, bobcats.

01:05:56:13 –> 01:06:38:05
Yeah. I’ve called in bobcats that slid into my buddy. I’ve called, I’ve called that exact same stand. I learned that coyotes would come to a call when I was 15. I called a mountain lion Thanksgiving day, we just got through a Thanksgiving dinner and ran out there and set up on the rocks and started calling with a hand calling. I says, holy cow. I told my wife’s uncle, I says, wait, check that out. There’s a line coming to the call, it’s coming down off the hill. He, he didn’t have any binoculars. I hand him but vinos and it just winded its way, all the way down the draw and threw the cedar trees and all of a sudden before we knew it, he was sitting on his butt at 40 yards flipping his tail in the snow.

01:06:38:13 –> 01:06:38:21

01:06:39:16 –> 01:06:54:27
Yeah. And it’s pretty crazy. But as far as cool coyote stories, probably worlds two years ago I got dropped on a stand ’cause you can, you can drop one of your partners as long as the other one doesn’t make a, a standout in head of you.

01:06:55:10 –> 01:06:55:19

01:06:56:05 –> 01:07:45:26
And it was just a perfect draw. And I actually did start out with some how’s on that? Got the coyote to Howl, knew they were there, and went into some fight sounds immediately, didn’t mess around with Rabbit, didn’t do anything. And I waited eight minutes ’cause I knew they was a long ways out there and it was gonna take ’em a minute. I hit about that eight minute mark and all jokes aside, I sell 1, 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12 coyotes all come over the, out of the same wash and out into the wide open in the junipers and yellow grass all coming together like a wolf pack straight at me. Geez. And once again, I was a drop stand and I didn’t grab the shotgun. I’ve got a 2 23, just a little, a little truck gun, you know, sitting in my lap. Yeah.

01:07:45:29 –> 01:07:47:01
Five rounds in it.

01:07:47:20 –> 01:07:50:05
Yeah. I dropped three coyotes out of 12.

01:07:52:05 –> 01:07:53:00
Oh geez.

01:07:53:23 –> 01:08:06:17
But yeah, that was probably one of the, the neatest things I’ve ever seen. I’ve never seen, I’ve seen a lot of coyotes on, you know, in pivots and out and about and things like that. But I’ve never seen a mobb in like a pack like that day.

01:08:07:16 –> 01:08:17:12
Did you, you said you had some groups come in, you know, packs of coyotes like three. Did you have, and maybe it seems like you mentioned five at nationals this year, and then you ended up killing ’em all.

01:08:17:29 –> 01:08:20:05
We killed six coyotes on one stand.

01:08:21:02 –> 01:08:23:14
How like, just kept calling, did they all come in together?

01:08:23:20 –> 01:09:13:14
So we had three coyotes come in the first sequence. And my partner shot one dropped it, I coed stopped and dropped another one. So then there’s one coyote left and it was running as fast and as hard out of it, out of the stand as it could. And I dropped that coyote on the run. Wow. It was just, it was just luck. Like the entire trip was kept calling, put on my pup distress called three more coyotes show up. We simultaneously, without knowing it, shot exact same time at two separate coyotes. Dropped those two coyotes and I kind of winged my coyote kind of hit him. He was chest on and shot him and, and kind of winged him. And he, he started biting and, and growling and flipping and you know how they’ll do when you make a

01:09:13:14 –> 01:09:15:05
Bad shot? Yeah. Rounding round and round and then you dump him.

01:09:15:06 –> 01:09:45:11
Yeah. And he was screaming and doing his thing. And the third cow or the sixth cow turned around and looked at him and that was the ultimate fate I put him down too. So we Wow. We had, we had six COEs down laying all within basically a hundred yards of each other. Yeah. Geez. It was, it was insane. So we both grabbed two coyotes, run back to the truck. I truck, I says, you start making out tags, I’ll go get the other two. And I went, ran back into the stand, grabbed two more coyotes and we had six coyotes and one stand. Did your

01:09:45:11 –> 01:09:46:20
Video clip and drove away.

01:09:47:12 –> 01:10:00:08
Yeah. Did our video and the whole nine yards. Went to the very next stand and called and killed a triple. We called and killed a triple. So we had nine coyotes in the truck all of a sudden, you know, and it’s like, wow. Here go reality setting. Yeah. Here we go.

01:10:00:18 –> 01:10:03:03
How many shells you got buddy? Here we go. Yeah, we,

01:10:03:07 –> 01:10:06:26
We killed five doubles that day and the rest were singles.

01:10:07:06 –> 01:10:08:17
Wow. Crazy. Yeah,

01:10:09:01 –> 01:10:10:19
It was insane. It was

01:10:10:22 –> 01:10:17:19
So, so are you, how many furs are you taking to the sale or, I mean, are you dealing with it? Are you dumping ’em off to somebody else to deal with it?

01:10:17:22 –> 01:10:40:05
Yeah, a lot of it we’re, you know, a lot of it is going to Wyoming for prices that are a little better up there. Okay. I usually just tube ’em out, roll ’em up, freeze ’em, and then send them. Yeah. Anymore, I’m not, you know, my bobcats are the same way anymore. I really don’t put a whole bunch on wood stretchers anymore. Just for the simple fact that

01:10:40:26 –> 01:10:42:02
Just time, money if I

01:10:42:02 –> 01:10:57:04
Could, yeah, no. Yeah. If I could freeze the carcasses hole, like my buddies are like Seth Simpson. He, he, he basically freezes the whole entire carcass. Wow. And he’ll ship, he’ll ship the entire truckload when he is got a truckload

01:10:57:12 –> 01:10:58:07
Of carcasses.

01:10:58:21 –> 01:11:03:21
Yep. Full blown carcasses. Not not touched one bit. I mean, and

01:11:03:26 –> 01:11:05:09
They and they buy ’em untouched.

01:11:05:27 –> 01:11:08:12
Untouched on the carcass Frozen. Yeah.

01:11:08:26 –> 01:11:10:14
For less or what do they we,

01:11:10:21 –> 01:11:20:19
Yeah, it’s a little less, I mean, of course ’cause they gotta put the time and energy into stretching ’em and, and, and you know, fleshing ’em and doing the whole thing. But it’s not enough to worry about no

01:11:20:19 –> 01:11:20:26

01:11:21:23 –> 01:11:26:19
Anymore. It’s not, I mean, you know what it takes to put up a piece of fur. It’s, there’s,

01:11:26:25 –> 01:11:27:08
It ain’t worth,

01:11:27:12 –> 01:11:29:04
It’s a time consuming process, but

01:11:29:06 –> 01:11:30:11
Disgusting critters.

01:11:31:02 –> 01:11:31:20
Yeah, they are.

01:11:31:25 –> 01:11:39:18
You talk about it with respect. I have no respect for a fond feeling. Freaking dog. I don’t, I hate them all. Oh

01:11:39:24 –> 01:11:40:05

01:11:40:05 –> 01:11:43:20
Funny. But they are smart. I’m telling you. It’s the smartest critter on earth. Yeah,

01:11:43:23 –> 01:11:46:05
They are. They are very, very smart. Well,

01:11:46:05 –> 01:11:50:17
Dude, you got anything else you want to, you know, throw out there for everybody that’s listening? I mean,

01:11:50:24 –> 01:11:58:08
Maybe the whole mule deer insurance thing. My, my brand, my logo. Yeah, that’s, that kind of goes hand in hand with you. That’s why I Yeah,

01:11:58:08 –> 01:11:59:02
That’s true. Throw it out there.

01:11:59:15 –> 01:12:11:10
Just kind of a, I don’t know, fun thing. I did build a hat and a logo and you kill Cotes, your mule deer insurance, you’re ensuring that there’s gonna be more, more big bucks for Jason to kill.

01:12:12:13 –> 01:12:19:24
Hey, there can never be too many or, or big enough. So tell us a little bit about how do they support that? Where do they find you?

01:12:20:29 –> 01:12:31:19
You, man, I don’t even have a website. I wish I did, but me and my wife just sell the stuff off my Instagram just Okay. Hit us up. Cool. And we, you know, throw hats and shirts on there when we can afford a little bit of inventory.

01:12:31:29 –> 01:12:36:20
Good. Cool. Man. They can hit you up on the dmm on the side. Is it Brushable Fire? Yeah. Right.

01:12:36:27 –> 01:12:49:24
Yeah. Yep. And then we got a share page for guys, you know, if you’re out killing some coyotes and you hashtag Mule deer insurance, we’ll throw you up on the mule deer insurance share page and, and get you guys out there. It’s pretty fun. Right

01:12:49:26 –> 01:12:52:24
On. Right on, man. So, well I appreciate you taking the time,

01:12:53:23 –> 01:12:55:10
Man. It’s been fun. What,

01:12:55:10 –> 01:12:57:13
What kind of truck are you gonna buy now? Or did you already buy one?

01:12:57:22 –> 01:13:02:23
I did, yeah. I bought me a little, an older, older Tundra and I absolutely love it.

01:13:03:08 –> 01:13:14:00
Like those, I had a year 2000, I sold it to Chris and Chris, I thought I wore it out and he really wore it out and he still got five grand for it. Trade-in. I can’t believe what those trucks bring on trade-in. I can’t believe it.

01:13:14:12 –> 01:13:20:11
Yeah, it’s insane. I mean, you get, you buy a Toyota, you’re gonna be good no matter what. Yeah,

01:13:20:18 –> 01:13:22:05
Yeah. Exactly. So, yep.

01:13:22:12 –> 01:13:34:24
I miss, I miss the brand new rig, but I just man, as hard as I go on what I do, it just, yeah. Yeah. It’s tough to jump, jump in a brand spanking new truck and watch your buddy throw mud all over the side of it. Oh yeah. Dude,

01:13:35:02 –> 01:13:53:17
I’m telling you, I roll through trucks. I one or two a year and it’s, and it’s just old grandpa trucks, you know, I’ll have 50 or 60,000 miles their cherry and my brother-in-laws do a good job of finding stuff in Vegas and, and thank you to them for that. And then, you know, for six, eight grand, you’d be amazed at what you can buy and trash it and still come out All right. You know.

01:13:53:20 –> 01:13:57:13
Yeah. People don’t understand, man, we put some hurt on those vehicles. Yeah,

01:13:57:15 –> 01:14:05:19
Yeah. There ain’t no pr no, no pride here. None of this No. You know, jacked up nice, fancy stuff. It’s just, you’re just too hard on ’em. Yep. So. Yep.

01:14:05:21 –> 01:14:06:06

01:14:06:27 –> 01:14:22:05
All right, guy. Well I appreciate your time and teach us about It’s awesome. I I, I love talking about it, especially somebody who’s passionate like you. I mean, I threw an outline to you two minutes before I talked to you and a lot of it is just because you don’t freaking need an outline. You’re living it and you’re doing it and you can talk about it all day long. I know you can.

01:14:23:02 –> 01:14:31:14
Yeah, I can. I like you said, I truly, truly love it. I really do. And I hope that comes across like that when, when this thing airs.

01:14:31:17 –> 01:14:34:07
Yeah. You gonna be out at the expo here in Utah?

01:14:35:20 –> 01:15:01:11
Yeah, I should be, man. I should go a lot harder with what I do because Predator hunting’s so big and yeah, I, I have a really good brand and people support me and it’s really cool. But man, talk about needing an investor, dude, it’s hard on, it’s hard on the budget, it’s hard on the family and Yeah. Doing, doing what I do. But yeah. Well it is fun, but we’ll probably see you up there. Alright Jason, I appreciate your time, man.

01:15:01:11 –> 01:15:02:20
Appreciate you man. Thanks a lot. Yep.

01:15:02:25 –> 01:15:04:05
Talk to you later. All right. Yep. Bye.

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