EP 115: Applying in Colorado, Idaho, and Montana. In this episode of the Epic Outdoors Podcast the Epic Outdoors staff talks about things to consider when applying in Colorado, Idaho and Montana. Each state is very different and it is important to know each state before applying. Colorado has undergone major changes again this year as far as the structure of their system. Deadlines are approaching quickly.

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Where are the deer wanting to be? Where are they going? We

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Don’t have a ton of tags as non-residents, but we do have specific allocated tags,

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But we get asked a lot. Should I apply for elk in Colorado?

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Anything to do with Western big games?

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Welcome to the Epic Outdoors Podcast, powered by Under Armour.

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Hey everybody. How are we gonna open on this one? I think you

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Just did. You want

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Just did it. You just did it.

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Hello. Hi, how are y’all? Hey everybody. Jason Carter, Adam Bronson, along with John Peterson. And Jeffrey. Jeffrey. John, I always wanna say your middle name, but I never get it right. As well as Chris Peterson sitting in the podcast room here in southern Utah, Cedar City full of snow. It’s been snowing all night. Yeah. Geez.

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We’re about tired of it. I put on there that it’s spring, but apparently I was wrong. Yeah, pretty nuts. Chris

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Gives us a cheat sheet that we don’t really go by, but we probably should because we’re a little rummy. So let’s stick to the pop to, to the rummy

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Here. Rummy. We’re, we’re rummy. You guys each have your sounds. You two have a individual sound like Adam, when Adam’s going like into the sarcastic mode, he, he does a, like that loud sniff. I can’t, I can’t make that snip line up. But Jason, yours is, what was it like? Like some kind of weird, like you’re, you’re sucking air through your teeth or something. I can’t wait to, and so every time I know

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Every test is all about Jeff.

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Every time I hear that happen over there, I’m like, we’re gonna hear something funny. Like, I’m like, I’m like, I turned down my music. Whenever I hear Adam sniff, I turn down my music. I’m like, okay,

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That’s, he does that. He does it.

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Alright, rummy. So anyway, we’re right in the middle of constructing the April issue of the Epic Outdoors. Magazine’s gonna cover a lot of cool things cranking out states like Nevada and Montana and, and Kansas and whatnot. So anyway, a lot of fun going on here. And we just thought we’d talk about the March issue. Before we get started, we wanna thank Under Armour. We appreciate them and their support sponsoring this podcast and being affiliated in most everything we do. So thank you to Under Armour. You can go to ua.com, order up all kinds of things, swimming suits, hunting gear, whatever, you know what I mean? Whatever. Raider pants. Raider pants. Raider pants

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That’s what we’re the best

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Rich Reper Raider, not Oakland Raider fans. All right, so we’re not Raiders fans here. Not Oakland Raider fans.

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Alright, so

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Not Las Vegas Raider fans either. That’s right. Oh,

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That’s a good point. All right. So anyway, we appreciate them. And so we get started here. We just kind of want to crank through what’s in the March magazine, but don’t try not to be so boring and just basically go through, we got a few stories. I wanna grind these guys out. Of course. They think they’re gonna grind me out. So we’re gonna see how this goes down.

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There is 150 pages, so we can’t cover ’em all in an hour. Yeah,

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Let’s not do that. So as we get started, I don’t know, we’re right in the middle of applying, tease each other about what we’re gonna be doing. Jeff, he spent a little time in Montana hunting elk up there on the general. Did that deadline, let’s just jump right into that. That deadline is,

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That deadline is a fast approaching. Yeah. If you are serious about hunting up there, you better get in.

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It’s Friday, so

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15th of March, that’s for deer and elk only. So the antelope, moose, sheep and goat bison. We’ll cover that in later issues of the magazine. If you’re interested in applying for Montana, you better get it in the general season. Tags not hard to get. One preference point will get you either the deer combo, the elk combo, or the Deer Elk combo. It’s the special tags that’s, that are tough to get. They get bonus points for those. They square your points for those. So pretty unpredictable when you’re gonna get those for the most part. Except for the R trees, archery elk especially those can get for non-residents every three to five years. Residents, A lot of times we’re getting ’em every single year on that 900 cluster and some of the others. So that’s right.

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Hunting giants

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Pretty crazy. Pretty good opportunity. But keep in mind they, they have a points only period in Montana. You can do that during the summer to get a bonus point for the special draws or a preference point for the general draws. If you don’t apply for the general combination something first go around.

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That’s right. So anyway, we do have a lot of guys that that apply up there. It’s a good backup plan. You can apply. You gotta apply for the, for the combo, whether it be deer combo, elk combo or deer elk combo. And then you can apply for the limited entry hunts. If you don’t get drawn on the limited entry hunts, you do have an option to turn those back. The general tags meaning for an 80% refund if you do it by August 1st. So a lot of guys use that as a backup plan. And like we talked about, we kind of mentioned the 900 and some of these other units, A lot of those are private land mixed with public. And so you wanna be able to be good on a G P S and mapping and whatnot. And of course Jeff or

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Book a hunt with an outfitter that’s

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Yeah, book a hunt with an outfitter.

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Yeah, call us

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Jeff. You went up there, hunted some block management.

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Dude. The block management. Yeah, we’ve talked about it before a little bit, but it’s awesome. It really is. Like, and, and there’s a lot of different areas. I, Montana’s super generous to archers. It feels like just so much country that’s open. A lot of those block managements are also open. They might be open during the archery and closed during the rifle. So if you’re an archery guy and, and I’ll be honest, I was up there for, what, four days? I didn’t see another archery hunter, archery elk hunter. Now I went late. I went late. Let me preface that. Early

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October sometime, right?

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I think, yeah, I think if you went in September you’d see a lot more people, but the bulls were still rut. I just didn’t have Well,

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And we even pushed you to go a little bit late because of, you know, the Yeah, everybody goes home. So it does go from basically six weeks. Yeah. So it’s pretty long, you know. Yeah. Basically six weeks.

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So September 7th to October 20th with a bow. And a lot of people think as soon as calendar flips in into October, bows are done rutting. And that’s not the case. So it can be by yourself. In early October,

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One of the first animals I ever saw Bronson kill was in Montana.

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We just jumped into that one, didn’t we

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At first

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When we were kids?

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Huh? I don’t know about kids, but dude, it was

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15 years ago.

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Yeah. Unit 700. Yeah, Northern, well I shouldn’t say northern north central, but south side of the Missouri River breaks Jason and I riding together in a side byside just running onto a group of elk. Or was it just one?

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I don’t remember. I don’t remember. It was a

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Long time ago. But I know let her fly,

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Let’s call it a

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Plethora and

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Plethora of elk

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Drill. Drilled in about 55 yards

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In one shot. You get out for co triple. And then we looked at each other and I’m

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Like, he walked over 20 yards and tipped over right in front of us. Like, okay, I guess we’re done with

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Montana’s pretty good. Pretty good.

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Just a six point bull, but we, I don’t remember how much time we had to hunt, you know, Jason, Jason’s there, John too. We had a good time up there. That was, I don’t know, 10 plus years ago. Geez. Long time ago. That was long ago. Probably. Yeah. One 13. First time we actually hunted together. Maybe 12, maybe 14 years ago. I don’t know.

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A lot of fun memories on those trips right there. So

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Hoo. Moving right along. That’s probably enough on Montana, the deadline is the Friday or the 15th of March. So it’s a little

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Bit of a frustrating state. It does, it’s fairly expensive. Non-refundable. You know, if you’re just go in there to apply for some of the best units, there’s only a couple of deer units that we really consider trophy units. And so, you know, it’s one of those things you really do need to feel like you want do it. You want to go there, you want to take it on as far as working, you know, either you’re gonna be there with the grizzlies, you’re gonna be in the private, you’re gonna have to work a little bit and kinda, you know, basically want to go there. So anyway, it’s not necessarily for everyone, I guess is what I’m saying. But we do apply guys there and of course we’ve hunted there a little bit ourselves.

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Yeah. They get you on the hook as a prerequisite. You gotta draw the, the, the deer elk combo or the deer combo or elk combo to be eligible for the special draw. So they get you and you’re gonna get 20% out of you on that if you apply in, in the first go round. If you just do build points, it’s a cheaper way to do it. Get a deer point or an elk point for 25 bucks a piece until you get, you know, handful of those built up and then go try to use ’em and draw an archery out tag. And you’re probably gonna get drawn rather quickly when you do that. So,

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And that’s worth noting. I think especially this year, what we’ve seen the odds jump around on the general right? Yeah.

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Not guaranteed.

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You’re not guaranteed to draw that. So it would be worth getting the preference point and and it is more expensive than the bonus point, but getting both the preference point and the bonus point.

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That’s percent right.

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Yep. Especially if you, if you’re not thinking you’re gonna go for four or five years, okay, hold off on your preference point, but you do need a preference point in your, in your possession when you apply for a general tag to guarantee that. So make sure if you’re, you’re a year out of thinking when you’re gonna wanna try to draw, get a point this summer. This summer, get a, a preference point for that. So let’s talk about Colorado. Let’s talk about big bucks. Let’s talk about everything that’s in Colorado.

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Okay. Sounds good. Yeah. As we get going here in the publication, we kind of did start this off with just a, a little bit of a trophy room from a lot of our staff here. Not everybody, but a few of our staff members. And so anyway, just of some of the deer we’ve killed in Colorado over the years. And so John, I think there’s a picture in here. It looks like you’re about 10 years old. Good. Great.

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Speaking of somebody’s first, literal first hunt of their life, was that it John? Yeah, that’s

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My Is that your first baby meal? Deer

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B No. Serious. Serious. That’s

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A pretty nice meal there for

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You. Were in there. That’s impressive. Know you were young. I, I mean that was before I knew you. Of course. Did you have a

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Driver’s license? Yeah, I looked probably

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84, 26.

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Yeah. So that was a, that was after the introduction to the Carter family. Yes, it

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Was. Oh, what an introduction that was. And Jeff.

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Jeff. Dude, I look pretty young there too. I

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Wrong this is that same I tell you. That

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Was 30 pounds ago.

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YouTube. This is that. So geez. At least looks like

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Course. I’ve a few picture in here that I was a little lighter too. I’m getting

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It, I’m getting that one there on the far right there. One of our epic approved outfitters. Tony Grimmet would be proud of that picture. Jeff. Yeah,

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Because I’m wearing a white shirt. Yeah, white tshirt shirt of that white t-shirt, man. That’s what

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Killed your big buck in a white shirt.

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What was the

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Had jacket on at the time?

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You know, I mean the jacket came off ’cause all, well of course you’re seeing Colorado third season. It was not a cold, wet, miserable year that year. Obviously there

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Seems like you were in and around, in and around some subdivisions down there, if I

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Remember right. That’s exactly where I was.

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So you’re in the middle of civilian close knocking on doors asking for permission to shoot a buck in the backyard. That’s what I’m

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Saying. Not quite that, but it’s close. I mean, that’s the thing in Colorado, you better be on your game. ’cause the private land is a big deal.

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Yeah. The burden’s on the hunter that doesn’t have to be even posted. Yeah. So it doesn’t have to be cultivated. It just has to be deeded and you gotta be off. These

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Map companies have made a, an entire business outta just

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Colorado. Colorado, honestly

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Didn’t Chris, I’m looking at him and a freaking 200 inch Bronson’s 200 back in the day. And you look young too, Bronson.

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That was old. That was old school. You have hair such a choice. Did you have hair? Honestly, I dunno. Was some pair was pretty hard. It was fading pretty hard by then. Yeah.

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2000. He’s got you got kids and then it just disappeared. Yeah.

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Who’s that guy with the big beard? Where?

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Oh, you know, I’m in there somewhere, you know, with that. Where’s that one buckles out?

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One right there. That was the same that year. I drew killed my elk. Remember that year? Yeah, that’s right. It was just one of those stretches in the fall that went two, three weeks of hard grinding hunts and guiding in between a little bit of hunting. And once you cross a point of no return on, on where the blade will no longer shave your beard, you, you just gotta let her go. Just let it go. When you’re out in a camp trailer somewhere and your beard, your beard’s too long for a blade. You just, you gotta let it go. And that was, that was a two month go that time.

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It’s like, it’s, it’s painted on with a sharpie. It’s that black.

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I know

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It is black When, when Adam grows his beard out, he all of a sudden is a different person. Like I saw him after I hadn’t seen him for a couple years and I ran into you down on, on sheep hunting. Was it? And and

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Was it that year? That was that year, wasn’t

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It you up? Was it that year? Oh, it was

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That year. You come walk it up.

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I’m like, I have no idea who that is.

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Your brother had his tag. Had his tag that year because that’s the year I went over and shot my elk and come back. I was, and then went over and hunted deer. Who is

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That with the, I mean, I’ll, I’ll be honest, I Well, yeah, he

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Could give Baird

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Roundy a run for a

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Beer Joe right there. Huh? Pretty brave. She gets hearts and stars in her eyes every time he grows it out. So anyway, yeah,

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It doesn’t happen very often for me to grow it out, but kinda

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Itches. But anyway, a lot of good bucks right there. We’ve, we’ve spent a lot of time in a lot of different units and so Colorado is one of our favorite states. Honestly. We, we pretty much spend time there every year and give each other a hard time on what we’re thinking to do with leftover choices or tags and points and, and weapon types. Actually, we always flirt with doing something in September. We never have the time. Yeah. Huh. An antelope too.

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Yeah. Jason, that’s a nice segue. Jason’s gonna use his antelope points this year. Is he gonna burn ’em? We’re going, I’m gonna burn. That’ll be filmed for an episode of, of

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This, the highlight

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To be determined

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Coming soon. I’ve got a theater,

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Interesting. So

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Let’s jump into the changes though. There’s a buck,

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There’s some big changes. Was big old Buck killed us.

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Oh, sorry, I didn’t mean to cut you off on your around talk. No,

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Go ahead, go ahead.

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No, there’s jump into, there’s a lot of big changes in Colorado. That’s the biggest thing. We are pretty, pretty high strung when it comes to deer in Colorado. We love to kind of orchestrate our fall plans around hunting deer Colorado to every extent possible. Whether it be leftover turnback, landowner, draw tags, all the above. But Jason, why don’t you jump in, I guess tell us about, yeah, let’s jump in. The biggest changes just about the application process and fees for some of these species.

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Yeah, they do. They do make it to where we have to buy an $81 some change, small game hunting license as non-residents to be able to apply. And then you’ve got a hundred dollars point fee for the sheep, goat, and moose. And so anyway, you are gonna have to apply. A lot of guys are asking if it’s, if it’s worth it, and we definitely think it’s worth it, you know, especially for guys that already have three

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Already invested

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Preference points. And so if you have three preference points, that’s the most points you can get for those species. And then it turns into a weighted bonus point system after that. So, and that’s just for sheep, goat, and moose. And so anyway, definitely worth it as far as we’re concerned and as far as looking at the overall investment, considering other states and drawing ons. And that’s the biggest thing. We get a lot of these, you know, we get a lot of these questions and, and so anyway, that’s the short answer. Yes, it’s worth it. But having said that, you know, a lot of guys are, are sweating it just a little bit because if you apply for all the species and you do it for a few family members, you’re gonna be out a little bit of cash. Yeah.

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Well in last year, you know, Colorado, for until 2018, they required you to do a paper application and send two grand a pop for sheep, moose, and goat applications in a check up front. So it was a big deterrent for a lot of people to start applying that. And the fact that, like you said, you had to first accrue, accrue three preference points before you’re even in the draw, just turn people off. And then last year it went to about as polar opposite of that as you could get a $10 habitat stamp and then a $3 application fee per species. The whole free world. She, moose goat jumped in for sheep, moose, and goat applications last year. So if you’re part of that group, just be aware it’s

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Gonna be a little more, it’s gonna be quite a bit more expensive. Everybody, everybody course freaked out, drawing ons went through the roof or at least the number of applicants, you know, obviously you’re not even in the draw until you have three. But ’cause preference, you get preference over the next guy. And since the, you know, three’s the max, you can get, there’s thousands of people with three,

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A lot of people jumped in and so this, I know it was an overreaction, I guess to some extent I wish they would’ve probably rethought how they were gonna go from a paper and money up front application to the new system a little better last year. Like I said, a lot of people got in, got their one point when it was, when it was cheap. And now I guess you’ll have a decision whether you want to do that, whether you want to invest the a hundred dollars for sheep or moose or goat for at least two more years before you’re even in the draw. A couple years, two, three years from now. So something to consider.

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Yeah, kind of crazy. But it was Colorado’s answer, you know, everybody whined and so this was their answer and now everybody’s whining about the fees and so what do you do? It was, it was archaic so to speak, to be able to contin, to have to continue to write checks something

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Black capital letter, black ink only number 11, envelope number

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10 or nine, whatever, whatever in black and caps. Geez. And I mean it was just like really? And that’s just for the computer to read it and, and I get all that, but it was needed, change was needed but never a perfect system. And I guess every state’s different and so we just kind of roll with what they decide to do. Anyway. So having said that, you can apply, you’re not limited. You can apply for sheep, goat, moose, deer, an antelope elk and everything. So everything is due by April 2nd. They did change the time. The time is 8:00 PM Mountain standard time. So interesting.

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Anyway, odd time, but there it is in print. So

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Somebody, somebody didn’t get enough sleep last year and they just said, heck with this, we’re do eight.

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How about that? Not midnight,

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I gotta put my kids down. So Yep. Anyway, if they’re a good dad, huh? All right, so as you go forward, we do, we do talk about in this publication, the elk, the deer, the antelope, they are on a preference point system. No weighted points for those guys. Guys at the most points win who apply doesn’t mean you have to have max to get tags. It just means whoever applies, whoever gets the most points, they divvy out tags starting with that guy and go on down. So anyway, kind of interesting there is the hybrid draw. Everybody gets all excited about it, Bronson? Mm. We get a ton of questions about the hybrid draw.

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Non-resident should ignore that even exists.

00:18:00:17 –> 00:18:13:12
Yeah, with the exception, except we did have a buddy Antelope is different antelope because there’s no non-resident quota with antelope. Yep. But they say non-resident quotas pertain to the hybrid draw, meaning they’re gonna run through the regular draw and 20%

00:18:13:12 –> 00:18:20:19
Or 35% depending on the unit going to non-residents. And when you do the preference point draw first that we don’t, we dominate, dominate, we dominate the point chase.

00:18:20:25 –> 00:18:37:01
So we’ve already met our quota and so we’re never in that. And they do course forces corsis, so to speak, in specific hunt codes, most of which are, you know, a lot of which are rancho for wildlifes and whatnot. So we can’t apply this non-residents for Rancho for wildlife. So anyway, it’s a moot point. Oh,

00:18:37:01 –> 00:18:58:17
There’s an antelope like you said, and you do have to have accrued five bonus points to be eligible for a a hybrid draw. And if you do and you wanna put down one of those antelope units, like 3 0 3 0 1 or something like that, we have had members and clients of ours license app clients draw units in the hybrid draw for antelope that are non-residents. It has happened. We do know that. So anyway, but anyway,

00:18:58:17 –> 00:19:17:13
Yeah, one big update online, it is in all members’ accounts. If you’re a member of Epic Outdoors, you can log on and get on our hunt planter and we’ve got extensive odds on there. Let’s say we’ve got minimum point search, which is awesome. If you’ve got three points, it’ll pull up a list of all the deer units that you can draw.

00:19:18:05 –> 00:20:02:12
I do wanna talk about that pretty extensively. Adam and I and, and Jeff, we, we consult a lot of people on a daily basis and up in our browser we have the minimum points query. We have the points on there. You can drop and drag point and click your way to a giant buck. And so anyway, we do have that. And so you can go see if you have four points, boom, this is what I can draw. If you have five points, this is what I can draw 10 points, this is what I can draw. We also have a mapping system on there with overlays and all kinds of things that you can kind of do a lot of ESC scouting, which is all exciting for these new millennial kids. So anyway, hasn’t killed a big beer for me yet, but it is a nice feature you can go on and kind of check out the units you’re looking to apply for no matter what the species is and, and, and check it out. So there’s a lot of different features to

00:20:02:12 –> 00:20:37:23
That. Well, yeah, and I had a, I had a guy yesterday specifically talking about Montana. He wants to go hunt eastern southeastern part of the state and he wanted to be able to know where the best places to buy maps that he could get ahold of. Some maps that showed public and private land. Well I just said jump on our hunt planner. He had never even been on there. He was a member, he had a username password, got him on there, showed him how to do it. I said, get on there, zoom in to whatever extent you want, it starts popping up. Turn on the layers. He was, he was blown away. So that’s a feature we started here the first of the year, but it might be new. Most people may not think that we have that. A lot of different states have a hunt planter feature unique to their state.

00:20:38:05 –> 00:21:19:00
We brought it to all the states so that you can look, switch, switch, you know, species. Some of the states have different unit maps for different species. And so you, you need to be prepared for that. But other, you know, other things that you can do on there, you can, you look at block management stuff in, in Montana, things like that, turn on that layer. You look at the private public over overlay and like we talked about a minute ago for Colorado, it’s pretty critical. You can, you can look at Colorado, they’ve actually provide some layers about winter range habitat, you know, critical deer winter range habitat, which I don’t know how many times we’ve used those maps in the past to key in on areas that we’re going to for the first time in Colorado. And that’s killed. Thats, and just looking about that

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00:21:19:19 –> 00:21:25:07
Killed third season or four season and you don’t have time to scout. Where are the deer wanting to be? Where are they going? Yes.

00:21:25:19 –> 00:22:36:05
So yeah, we do have overlays where you have mi migratory patterns. You got the winter ranges like Adam’s talking about. That would be where I would be during the third and fourth seasons. You’re talking November 2nd to the 10th for the third deer and elk as well as November 13th to the 17th for the fourth season rifle. So you know, you’re gonna be on the winter ranges and you know, and obviously weather plays a big part. You get some weather, they’re definitely gonna be there, but they’re always there anyway, a little bit. So anyway, what a great feature. I, that’s actually, you know, in large part how, you know, when I go over to Colorado and hit new units and we always, all of us here in this room have hunted new units. That’s a great place to start. In fact, it’s where you should start second, third, or fourth rifle seasons, even the second those deer wanting to move to the winter ranges or have, depending on the weather. So anyway, great opportunities there. You know, we kind of skipped over the sheep real quick. We do, it’s pretty in depth. We don’t have a ton of tags as non-residents, but we do have specific allocated tags to non-residents to apply for. So it gives us our own set of drawing odds and we compete against each other without having to wonder like in some states, which tags, you know, which units will actually draw as non-residents. So that’s kind of nice.

00:22:36:17 –> 00:23:33:07
Yeah, it is. And it’s one of the unique states too that does give archery Rocky Mountain Big Horn tags. The only one that gives designated archery tags for sheep as well as a goat give a goat archery tag. Utah’s starting to do that this year, 2019 they did that. So it’s not truly unique to Colorado and the goats, but a good, really good sheep and goat state. You do have to get over some of those mental obstacles, I guess the cost to apply building three points before you’re in the draw. But that’s for everybody else. Everybody decide themselves if you do wanna apply, they do give one non-resident desert sheep tag a year and there’s no points associated with that. We had a great story in this magazine with the gentleman that drew that tag last year, killed a, killed a awesome, cool ram. Zach Schocher drew the only non-resident desert sheep tag last year and Colorado. And somebody’s gonna get it. It’s, it’s been a couple, just couple years running. One of our members have drawn that pretty much.

00:23:33:11 –> 00:24:21:14
We’ve drawn a lot of tags, our members have drawn a lot of tags up there in Colorado. Just, I mean, we do have a lot of serious hunters as clients. We, and we appreciate that. We like working with guys that are serious about getting tags. Having said that, I do wanna just throw a little bit of plug. Again, we talk about the expense of it, it’s kind of the price of doing business. If you love to hunt, you’re gonna have to outlay some cash and, and in these different states, and you’ve gotta have your name in, in as many hats as you can afford to be in. And we’ve talked about the odds and what they’re worth and you know, is it worth it for, you know, Wyoming for 220 plus non-refundable dollars to be in there for one in 350 drawing ons. And Adam, I mean, you and I say yes or no, depending on the year and how, how rich we feel that year if we got a kid, you know, needing a car, something, I don’t know.

00:24:22:07 –> 00:25:01:22
Yeah, it’s left and right pretty much right now on that. So yeah. But, but it’s one that I’ll keep doing. I I drew a goat early on in my, I guess early 2003 or something. I drew a goat in Montana, so I haven’t, I didn’t, I didn’t get in on the goats in, in Colorado. I would’ve if, if I needed one. Goats for me are more like a one or two in your life. And, and that’s fine sheep. I mean in a lot of places that may not make sense and I just tell people you apply and forget about it. I mean, you think about drawing you, you daydream about it, but you really just kind of forget about sheep applications to a large extent. Also the, the third species there is moose. And I know that’s the species Jason’s pretty fond of in Colorado. Could you talk about that?

00:25:03:19 –> 00:25:04:11
You’re a jerk.

00:25:06:17 –> 00:25:53:29
Oh no, we’re gonna leave that for another podcast. However, they do have, they do have big moose so guys can apply and then you can also swap out your tag. You get a rifle tag and swap it out for so funny swapped out for archery or Muslim or vice versa. So anyway, yeah, I’ve drawn a fair share of my tags and so anyway, we, we are living, we are living proof that they do divvy out tags and non-residents. Doesn’t matter the state. We’ve definitely, you know, but we have spent our time gaining points and options. A lot of it times options. I’ve had guys call me and say, dude, is this worth it? Is this, here’s the deal, you can buy points but you cannot buy time. And, and I know I get it points take time, I get all that. But you, you’re, you don’t wanna be looking back saying, ah, I wish I should’ve done it for the last

00:25:54:02 –> 00:25:54:13
10 years.

00:25:55:02 –> 00:26:09:29
I’m not looking back at the money I didn’t spend last year. I mean, it’s gone. I’ve got a new budget this month or whatever, you know what I mean? And you’re not thinking about it. And Jeff, dude, you freaking, you’ve drawn some tag. You drew a Henry tag randomly. I drew a Henry tag. Okay. Henry’s dear, you’ve drawn,

00:26:10:04 –> 00:26:10:29
I drew a rocky tag,

00:26:11:02 –> 00:26:19:05
Rocky Mountain sheep here in Utah randomly. Yeah. You know what I mean? I drew the Arizona tag this last year randomly. Yeah, Adam, he’s drawn Oregon sheep randomly.

00:26:19:14 –> 00:27:01:08
And it, it’s an expensive raffle. All the like, like, you know, you go into it as a pure, you know, like you said, like Adam said, you’re putting the money and you’re walking away. You’re thinking that I just made my donation to the state, whatever, walking away. But you know, sometimes lightning strikes, you know, but you need to be in as many of those, you know, buckets as you can get your name in just to be able to draw, draw anything. So, so even though I get it, I get it. It’s hard. It’s a hard pill to swallow. But you know, you talk to these guys, we just got done with Utah here a week or whatever ago, and it’s like, you know, for the cost of a like a foot long sandwich, your name is in for a mountain goat. Your name is in for you know what, and so just get

00:27:01:08 –> 00:27:04:04
Your foot log. Wow. There’s a, I never heard seen that comparison.

00:27:04:04 –> 00:27:06:14
Depends on where you, well yeah, you just depends on

00:27:06:14 –> 00:27:09:20
Where you go. You go to, you know, you go to a certain, I didn’t want to mention

00:27:09:28 –> 00:27:11:21
Like actual we’re not getting paid. Yeah, we’re not getting paid.

00:27:11:29 –> 00:27:13:21
So don’t Jimmy John’s or Subways Jimmy John’s.

00:27:14:11 –> 00:27:14:29
It’s 10 bucks.

00:27:15:04 –> 00:27:41:03
Yeah, there you go. Somebody get your name in the hat. Free plugs. Free plugs. But anyway, and so yeah, as we move into the deer and elk and whatnot, we do have guys saying, well I’ve got six points I want to utilize ’em and what’s the best thing I can do? And, and we, of course there’s things that we look at, you know, and this is what we would do. And have you considered this for second? Like a 44 second versus a such and such third versus a such and such forth. There’s opportunity. What have you say to that?

00:27:41:12 –> 00:27:44:20
You gotta be ready to, to battle people and numbers.

00:27:45:17 –> 00:27:46:28
But you mean in the state as a whole?

00:27:46:28 –> 00:27:49:11
You’re Yeah. In the state as a whole, yeah. Anywhere you go

00:27:49:14 –> 00:28:04:10
And you got, you got the, not on the fourth like you did, but we find it second and third plenty. You got over the counter elk hunters and that throws a lot of people off guard. You’re not sharing the mountain just with deer runners in Colorado. There’s a lot of orange. That’s just in most, that’s the way they do it.

00:28:04:26 –> 00:28:15:27
We did put a few units in there that are limited, extremely limited for elk and deer, both, but very few. And those units are gonna take a lot of points to draw. So Chris, you’ve tried multiple units in Colorado? I

00:28:15:29 –> 00:28:27:08
Have. I I’ve kind of bounced around especially the last few years. I just like to learn new places and, and maybe every five, six years you find someplace that you really like and you go back a couple times, but yeah.

00:28:27:12 –> 00:28:43:27
Well, and I think with our strategy of trying to hunt Colorado as much deer as much as possible, you’re hitting units that, that aren’t the top units. And so bouncing around is, you know, you learn new units and you might find a gym and then, you know, come back to it a couple years or whatnot.

00:28:43:28 –> 00:28:47:27
It is the question that I and 15,000 other listeners want know is where are you guys going?

00:28:48:23 –> 00:28:49:16
I don’t know yet this year.

00:28:50:12 –> 00:28:51:10
Oh, you’re full of crap.

00:28:51:14 –> 00:29:01:08
No, I, I I don’t yet. I know I’m, I’m definitely not going to 18, but I haven’t decided yet where I’m gonna put in in Colorado. It’s just one of those, well actually maybe I have Oh

00:29:02:08 –> 00:29:02:27
Wow. Breaking

00:29:02:27 –> 00:29:05:07
News. I’ll tell you guys later.

00:29:06:27 –> 00:29:09:26
We’re gonna need to run the queries on up planner. Make sure you can draw.

00:29:10:22 –> 00:29:11:15
I think I’ll draw.

00:29:11:29 –> 00:29:12:25
What about you Joe?

00:29:13:10 –> 00:29:20:04
Oh, I don’t have a, I don’t have a solid plan yet. Just November’s hard this year again. More than likely. So

00:29:21:08 –> 00:29:25:03
Tell us about that a hundred you’ve got, tell us about that. 183 entry you smoked a while back.

00:29:25:18 –> 00:29:26:11
Oh, you know when

00:29:26:14 –> 00:29:28:10
The bullets were whizzing over our heads. I think

00:29:28:10 –> 00:30:02:10
Everybody has to like, and me and Jason experienced this both like our Idaho hunt this last year too. Like we are, we’re kind of used to dealing with, in Utah, we’re used to dealing with so many people. We are used to it, right? Like, and so if you are not used to dealing with that many other hunters, Colorado’s gonna crush you. These units are gonna crush you. It’s gonna be hard on you. But we’re kind of like, we’ve dealt with it long enough, we get it. Like we get that we’re gonna be snaking a buck out of several other hunters. There’s gonna be people walking by, you’re gonna be, you know what I mean? Like, we’re kind of to that point, people

00:30:02:10 –> 00:30:04:02
Setting up, up right in front of you. People

00:30:04:02 –> 00:30:04:24
Setting up right in

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Front of you. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been to Colorado and I pulled up to a truck and they’ve got, they’ve got their setup out there. There’s their shooting bench, they’ve got a gun out there. They’ve got some big, almost looks like on the N F L when you go in there for the review, the, you know, they’re looking at the, the replay official. It’s some kind of a military type range binder.

00:30:22:23 –> 00:30:24:20
Jason doesn’t know what that is ’cause he doesn’t wanna ever watch

00:30:24:26 –> 00:30:57:01
Football. It’s a range box binder that’s like probably black market or Russian made or something like that. That’s giant. And they’re looking at something like 14, 1600 yards away. Now this was 10, 12 years ago before we had those that are size of a, you know, cell phone. Yeah. Like we do now. Yeah, that’s right. But they’re like, whoa, this is gonna, and I’ve sat and all they’re doing is popping cow elk at like 1400 yards what they’ve set up. And I’ve done that multiple times. You just put up there and break a sandwich out and you’re watching these dude, hey, little lit higher, you know, and they’re just walking it in the elk. Don’t even know they’re being shot at pretty much.

00:30:57:08 –> 00:30:57:13

00:30:57:14 –> 00:31:00:22
Geez. And you gotta be prepared for a little bit of that in Colorado. There’s,

00:31:01:09 –> 00:31:02:12
It’s just, it is what it is

00:31:02:12 –> 00:31:06:13
There. There was one plant John and I laid down on the ground this year. No way. I’m not

00:31:06:13 –> 00:31:08:08
Kidding. Is that when the elk ran by it? Yeah, there

00:31:08:10 –> 00:31:28:01
A bull. There was a bull that it, it didn’t know we were there and it ran right up into the saddle. We’re sitting in and there’s guys shooting at it. We’re like, and you guys are an orange, right? Yeah, yeah. But we couldn’t see them, but we could hear the bullets coming. John, you’re like, pro John Proned stand up, show him your orange, just

00:31:28:05 –> 00:31:30:14
Wave the flag, put it on a stick and wave.

00:31:30:29 –> 00:31:33:29
The bull came within like 30 yards of us probably. Yeah.

00:31:34:09 –> 00:31:36:00
Geez. Did they kill it? No.

00:31:36:07 –> 00:31:36:13

00:31:36:21 –> 00:31:36:28

00:31:37:15 –> 00:31:39:06
They shot a lot, they missed it a lot of times.

00:31:39:25 –> 00:32:13:29
Wow. So yeah, you gotta be prepared for a little bit of that in Colorado. Now if that, if you’re listening to this saying, geez, Colorado is not for me. There are places, there are other places too. If you, they may take you building up a few more points or you have to maybe target units like, you know, 61 or 66 or seven units that are 40 places where they have a controlled number of elk, elk and deer earners there at the same time. That’s generally where you have a, that’s where I’ve seen the biggest relief feel like, okay, this feels more like a limited entry hunt. Yeah. Versus a Utah general season hunt. Yeah.

00:32:14:29 –> 00:32:25:23
Well right on. I agree with all that. And I do have a question. I might be hunting a second season this year. Whoa. Which I have never done in Colorado. I’ve always done third and fourth seasons. That

00:32:25:23 –> 00:32:28:10
Means you’re skipping out on Utah. What’s Utah?

00:32:28:10 –> 00:32:28:26
What’s your question? General.

00:32:29:01 –> 00:32:29:16

00:32:30:04 –> 00:32:35:29
Possibly. But you can hunt, you’re dedicated, but I don’t know. So you can hunt archery muzzle in Utah if you need to. So you, you said you had a question.

00:32:36:13 –> 00:32:38:25
So my question is, how do you hunt that differently?

00:32:40:20 –> 00:33:41:18
Ah, well I will say this that I think that a lot of second seasons are, are way underrated. Now, if you’re gonna go onto something that you’re gonna draw with zero points, which I think you have, John, I don’t remember. I have zero points. Points I think you drew last year. I couldn’t remember if you got that or a leftover tag. Turnback tag, then you’re probably gonna be somewhere that has a lot of, a lot of tags. If you’re getting something with zero points in Colorado, for the most part, there’s, you’re not there all by yourself. So it’s a little bit tougher. But some years, the last two years, for instance, second season’s got the first snow of the year. Right. During it or Right. And, and it’s flocked, the trees white, the bucks, you know, start moving a little bit even though they’re not rotten, they just start changing their behavior and they’re way undervalued in my opinion, just like the muzzle orders are. Even though you got different muzzle order restrictions in Colorado, you know, open sites, no sabbaths, loose powder, blah blah blah. They’re still way undervalued in my mind for people that can, you know, conform to that muzzle loader equipment. Yeah,

00:33:41:24 –> 00:33:59:26
I agree a hundred percent. So as far as different, I don’t know, John, you’re gonna glass your way to success in Colorado. You just are. So I would just spend time. You’re gonna have to, A lot of guys don’t like to road hunt. I get it. But you know, you gotta cover the numbers. In some units you can do that, some you don’t. If you don’t wanna road hunt, go to unit 54 and hike your guts out. Well and a lot of times

00:33:59:26 –> 00:34:07:20
On the third, you know, you’re looking for those and the bucks will show up. Yeah. Won’t this case you’re looking for bucks where they, where they’re living. Yeah,

00:34:07:23 –> 00:34:11:20
Yeah, they might and they, and they start to migrate and whatnot. So yeah,

00:34:11:23 –> 00:34:21:27
A little bit more like that. I mean, you’re hunting a deer that’s generally, it’s right at that point where they’re either, if you get a hot high pressure camped on you in a second season, it could be pretty tough. Oh

00:34:21:27 –> 00:34:23:12
Yeah. You’re pretty much gonna be a frustrated,

00:34:23:13 –> 00:34:45:13
You know, if you get the first couple crisp snow events or cold events of the year, it just starts changing these deer. They start walking around more. They know what’s coming. It’s just, it’s always about them. Sometimes it doesn’t happen till the third season, but the last couple years it’s happened during the second season and they’ve been, for all accounts is good or better than the thirds in many units. I

00:34:45:13 –> 00:34:57:08
Love second, I love second. I like being one of the first rifle hunters there. But if, like Adam says, if it’s hot and dry shoot the first forkey with eye guards, you see, okay, if you get the weather you might kill a four point. Okay. All right. Moving right along.

00:34:57:08 –> 00:35:46:22
We’ve, we’ve talked a lot about deer and, and the, the, obviously the reason for that is that it’s a deer a draw statewide for deer. You’ve got archery muzzle, some early high country rifle hunts, two or three later season rifle hunts. A lot of options for deer. When it comes to elk though, we get asked a lot, should I apply for elk in Colorado? And it, it doesn’t take long. You just come to work this time of year one one day and you realize how big of a log jam there is in the elk points chase. It’s just unbelievable. There’s really, I don’t know of another state like it any, in any species, in any state, they just don’t draw enough quality. When I mean say quality, I mean we’re talking to hunt three 50 plus bulls or three 70 plus bulls. There’s, yeah, there’s guys that are 25 or six points that still can’t command the draw in any of the best units in Colorado.

00:35:46:26 –> 00:36:37:17
And even when they do a three 50 bull, that’s, that’s a big bull, big bull. So it’s not on par with an Arizona, Nevada, Utah, all that. And the big bottleneck just creates a lot of people, a lot of people building points for elk without as many places to use them. And we tried to give, obviously we highlight the better units in the state from our perspective. But there’s a lot of other places in the state that, you know, we didn’t cover the first season. The muzzle loader the first season and the fourth season for elk are all draw even on the units that give over the counter tags. If you’re looking for a little bit of an edge, something that’s not just over the counter, you might look at a first season bull or a fourth season bull somewhere if you’re just wanting to go elk hunting with a little bit less hunting pressure. But the simple fact is if you’re a a trophy elk hunter, Colorado is probably not gonna be a list state. You really look at applying for,

00:36:37:18 –> 00:37:20:26
We’ve got a lot of guys that are applying for trophy deer and not even applying for a point in Colorado for, for elk and it makes sense. And so anyway, just consider that as you get started. However, we recommend applying, you know, for elk, you’re gonna wanna, you know, you’re gonna wanna hunt at some point in your life and if you’re buying that $81 license, it’s cheap anyway to go ahead and get a point for Elkin. So we recommend that. One thing I did wanna cover for Colorado, there was a time in our lives early 2000, we didn’t know hardly anything about Colorado. It was actually before they actually managed the deer came on strong. And so there was just a few kind of hotspots. 2161 in the eastern plains. There was just a few of those. And so you didn’t have to, you know, you didn’t feel like you were missing out by not knowing stuff in Colorado.

00:37:20:29 –> 00:37:55:04
Then we just started going as these units got better, Gunnison namely, and some of these other units got better, we started going to Colorado. Anybody that hasn’t really spent a lot of time in Colorado, don’t let it intimidate you. You gotta just start going, just go. You just gotta go and, and once you start going, you’re gonna want to go there every year. It’s one of those things, there’s an opportunity for you every single year they do have turn back tags. Those don’t go against your points. If you draw second, third, or fourth choices, those don’t go against your points. And so, you know, you can still gain a point, meaning yeah, if you don’t draw your first choice, you gain a point

00:37:55:19 –> 00:38:34:07
Well and it, and you got do have to bear in mind the way they do their draw that you can’t draw something as a second choice that wasn’t guaranteed for all those first choice applicants for that unit. So, you know, if there’s a hundred units or a hundred tags in the unit and there was only 75 first choice applicants, that means 25 of those tags will carry over to second or third choice. So it’s not like a New Mexico or a Nevada where they go through your three or five choices and see what you get. No, you got lucky and you got your third choice. Oh you still get to build points. It’s not like that. But still with a little bit of research, use the hunt planner online. We do have a few options that we obviously covered in the magazine as well. If you want to go to Colorado any year, you can force your way to Colorado somehow.

00:38:34:23 –> 00:38:44:22
That’s my point. Yep. Just go spend some time out there anyway. You can kill big bucks on these, on these second choice tags. I drew a second choice tag. Oh geez.

00:38:45:07 –> 00:38:45:13

00:38:46:00 –> 00:38:48:00
Absolutely. I drew a second choice. I didn’t know. Okay. No,

00:38:48:19 –> 00:38:49:22
Yes, I agree. Okay, I concur.

00:38:49:22 –> 00:39:08:23
Alright. I drew a second choice tag last year and so I gained a point and I decided I didn’t want to use it. So I returned it for a refund. Cost me nothing to have the second choice tag and then I could pick up a landowner tag or a turnback tag. Turnback tags are given pretty periodically generally, if I remember right, it’s Monday through through Thursday, early

00:39:08:23 –> 00:39:09:22
Early August. Yeah,

00:39:09:24 –> 00:39:17:06
Fridays actually Tuesday through Fridays starting at like 9:00 AM or whatever. But anyway, and they crank through the seasons, they’ll give out all

00:39:17:06 –> 00:39:50:28
The way through September and October. If you have the ability in November, be vigilant to that. You can do that. It’s a little bit hard, frustrating I guess to sit and grab the tag tag you’re waiting for, but it’s an option. You gotta be vigilant at it. But it’s, you know, they, they don’t call a list like Utah and other states do if you are the alternate on certain units that they do, if it’s over a certain number of points, but on other units they just, they just hit the leftover list within a, you know, several days after somebody turns one in and goes live online and it gets gobbled up fast or sometimes not sometimes state for a day or two last year. So making points and if you haven’t

00:39:50:28 –> 00:39:56:24
Heard us say every year we see big deer come outta quote unquote bad units in Colorado. If

00:39:56:24 –> 00:39:57:07
You’re there,

00:39:57:28 –> 00:39:59:02
You got a chance. Yeah.

00:39:59:02 –> 00:40:42:24
And that’s one thing I was gonna mention is when it comes, yeah we’re talking about these second choice sags their second choice for a reason they didn’t get picked up on the first round for a reason. And that could be lots of private ground. That could be, there are lots of hunters, you know, these little things, but that doesn’t mean they’re bad hunts either. You know, like, like the unit that you guys that Chris and John Drew last year, you know, that’s one that you’re, that a lot of second, second choice guys do on the earlier hunts. It’s really a pretty good hunt if you consider that you’re still building a point and you’re getting a tag. You know, guys are killing 180 inch deer on that hunt. Yeah. Like it’s possible. A few guys, A few guys, yeah. But there’s just issues with it, you know what I mean? There’s just issues and you just

00:40:44:03 –> 00:40:45:23
Go back to every year you’re, you’re afterwards,

00:40:45:27 –> 00:40:47:26
You fill in a gap for the year. You, geez. But

00:40:47:26 –> 00:40:49:06
You’re there, you’re in the field, you’re

00:40:49:06 –> 00:41:16:05
Hunting. We do have guys that want 200 inch deer with an outfitter and I got 20 points, tell me where to go and I got that going on right now. We will say there’s very few the way they just, the forest service won’t issue permits to a lot of these guys. So some of the best units in the state don’t have a licensed outfitter in ’em. And so it’s difficult, it is very difficult to find an outfitter for big deer on public land in Colorado. And so for being the mecca that it is for mule deer, it’s a pain in the butt to find the right outfitter.

00:41:16:05 –> 00:42:17:29
Well that and the fact that I, I think a lot of people from the early two thousands, like you talked about through 2008 or oh nine when you know that the heavy winter of seven and eight hit things were so ripe that everybody’s mind was just crazy over Colorado. And it was, it was, it was some of the best deer hunting I’ve had in my life during that period. A lot of people are holding on to those days. Even though tag numbers have increased, we are too. And certain certain units have moderated. There’s just a lot of, of good to average and, and even on the high end, good deer hunts in Colorado now, not as many elite, you know, hold out for as long as it takes for this tag. There’s not as many of those. And I’m, I’m surprised every day that I take calls, the people that call me that say they have 18 to 20 plus points for deer and I just think, where have you been? And I said, what have you been applying for? Well I mainly just been building points and I’m thinking, man, you’ve missed, you’ve missed a lot, you’ve missed the heyday and you’ve missed one or two times since that, you know, so for the most part go to Colorado more frequently. That’s take home message. Yeah,

00:42:17:29 –> 00:43:05:26
They’re waiting for a unit 44 tag. I get it. Love it. Would want a 44 tag myself the year you go, it’s hot and dry and you freaking can’t find 180 inch or Yep. I mean now you’ve got 20, 25 points, whatever invested into this and, and what do you gotta show for it? But I am gonna talk about a, a new advertiser with us, but as I do, I want maybe John or Jeff pick a story about Colorado before we leave and we gotta, we can’t just freaking crush statistics. So I want to, I want to hear a story hunting story ’cause you guys are freaking funny, but here we go. We do, we do have a new advertiser here with Epic Outdoors. It’s extreme outer limits and m o a rifles super good guys there. We’ve known ’em for quite some time. We’ve flirted about with each other a little bit about running an ad if you wanna say it.

00:43:06:04 –> 00:44:14:24
We don’t just bring on anybody here at Epic Outdoors. And so anyway you can find their double page spread. It’s on about page 62 and 63 of the Colorado issue, which is March of the Epic outdoors. Anyway, they are promoting a, a rifle that’s a true half minute m o a thousand yard mountain type rifle at 106 pounds. So incredible opportunity. We’ve held this, Adam, you and I have held this rifle ourselves anyway. It should be awesome. You can get a hold of m o a [email protected] or 5 4 1 5 2 6 1 8 2 0. They, they sell a lot of different things, bipods bullets, they load for you. They sell optics by, you know, everything, everything that has to do with shooting and, and long range shooting. So anyway, good guys there and you might visit with a guy named Bob Beck, just tell him we sent you and see what he has to say. But super good guy. He’s, he’s killed a lot of animals at long range and, and done it quite ethically. He’s he’s, he’s good at what he does and so anyway, call and visit him. And how about a story? You guys got something for us? Oh geez.

00:44:14:24 –> 00:44:31:00
Well I don’t know. I used a lot, oh my stories when Chris and I did that podcast on Colorado, so not too, not too far ago or pretty recently. Chris and I had had a lot, so you can go listen to that one for some of Chris And i’s adventures and mishaps? We’ll, just in Colorado. Is

00:44:31:01 –> 00:44:31:26
There somebody you want hear from

00:44:32:00 –> 00:44:39:04
Bronson? There’s, there’s another one that is just kind of funny. It’s when Kurt and I went to to 63, I

00:44:39:04 –> 00:44:42:00
Thought you were gonna talk about that. The infamous Wyoming ope.

00:44:42:01 –> 00:44:45:02
I tried to hunt that one these days. Geez, that’s, we’re not talking about Wyoming, the

00:44:45:02 –> 00:44:45:28
Wyoming animal. I don’t know.

00:44:46:03 –> 00:44:46:10

00:44:46:10 –> 00:44:52:04
Talking about that. You cape that antelope with a shovel if I remember right. Or was that an elk? No, I can’t even remember. That was an

00:44:52:04 –> 00:44:53:08
Animal. No, that was a different story.

00:44:56:11 –> 00:44:59:01
Alright, you got anything good for us? No,

00:44:59:21 –> 00:45:06:19
No. Just the funny thing was on that 63 there was so much private and you, you drive around in the deer standing, remember those

00:45:06:19 –> 00:45:07:00
Didn’t there

00:45:07:15 –> 00:45:09:02
In the fence, cardboard or plywood

00:45:09:13 –> 00:45:13:23
With signs out in the fence? Like, don’t look at these deer. You can’t shoot ’em or something like that.

00:45:14:03 –> 00:45:25:11
Drive by and, and the deer’s middle of the day standing up, feeding next to the signs. I remember those signs. Yeah, I remember that. Well, I remember. I think we made, and then you hit public land and there’s not a deer side, you know.

00:45:25:28 –> 00:45:29:23
So how did you, what tips and tricks can you give the listeners?

00:45:30:09 –> 00:45:45:17
Oh man. On that one, that was a grind, if I remember right. That a grind. And then it seems like just keep going, keep at it because a hunt where that just sucks. And it seems like it always sucks before you kill, but especially there, like, we did not see a four point in five days

00:45:46:07 –> 00:45:46:18
Come on

00:45:47:18 –> 00:45:49:04
Until we shot. You kicked one up,

00:45:49:04 –> 00:45:52:25
Right? It was like a one 90 then you went from zero to hero in about five minutes. Right.

00:45:53:08 –> 00:45:56:13
And, and it was 1 94 point. It was a big buck, dude.

00:45:56:13 –> 00:45:58:05
It was heavy, heavy, heavy points, man.

00:45:58:08 –> 00:45:58:17

00:45:58:18 –> 00:45:59:08
Tell us about

00:45:59:20 –> 00:46:07:20
How you found the deer. ’cause that to me is pretty, pretty cool. Like, there’s so many people and so much pressure, but it just shows us how Colorado can turn around and, and,

00:46:08:07 –> 00:46:59:00
Yeah. Yeah. Well I had hunted that unit, oh, probably five years before. And the first time I went there were deer everywhere and we had good weather and nobody was off the roads. Everybody was road hunting. I mean, like rack type, the truck come on, pickup trucks were full. Everybody had their rifles, you know, shoot, pointing out. People were just driving the roads. And so it was, it was pretty good. Got off the roads and, and you found deer. And then I went back with Kurt and every ravine had had boot tracks in it just pounded. So, you know, over a five year period, just the way people were hunting that unit, you know, just changed drastically. But Kurt, Kurt glassed that deer up and he was hiding under a bush. And just Kurt,

00:46:59:11 –> 00:47:00:22
Kurt was hiding, or the deer, Kurt was

00:47:00:22 –> 00:47:08:18
Hiding under a, no, the deer was hiding under a bush. Really? And he’s like, I think I see a deer. And he was hiding and we were close to it. Wow. Really close.

00:47:08:20 –> 00:47:10:07
He was hiding. He was laying, laying

00:47:10:07 –> 00:47:23:28
Flat, laying chin on the ground, laying flat. Yeah. Chin on the ground and just had his, had his rack kind of in the tree, you know, just smart. Anyway, Kurt saw him and he jumped minute jump, jumped him up and shot.

00:47:24:27 –> 00:47:28:01
Yeah. Shot the last breeder buck in the unit. Yep. Jeez.

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So it can turn fast. So

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Keep after it.

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Even though, Jason, you’re seeing people everywhere. Yeah. That happened to you last year about, but you were 15 minutes into your hunt roughly, or took a couple hours. Geez, you pounded a 206. I mean,

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And then we grinded

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It for five days

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Tag thinking

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It was gonna happen again. And it didn’t, but just, that’s another example of, well, when we

00:47:48:19 –> 00:47:48:22

00:47:48:26 –> 00:47:54:01
One deer in the right spot and your hunt’s over and it’s, you’re, you’re singing the praises of something.

00:47:54:03 –> 00:48:16:26
You know, last year was tough. The entire west was under a drought and it was just tough. I thought in my mind, you know, I thought Colorado’s somewhat immune to droughts, but it’s just a higher elevation. Lots of feed foliage everywhere. It’s like the Garden of Eden. And you know, it ended up being dry and miserable and tough and, and you know, in that unit we just saw a lot of dinks. Okay. Plain, plain and simple. And, and I mean,

00:48:18:02 –> 00:48:19:13
Not even tempts. No,

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No. Like two and a half year old bucks.

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Yeah. Not

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Lots and lots of them. Right.

00:48:23:23 –> 00:48:31:01
I never got my gun, never put my bullet in my gun or put my, looked through my scope at a buck on the whole hunt. You

00:48:31:01 –> 00:48:37:26
Called me on the phone, you were texting me looking at a pretty good deer. And this is what I was thinking you guys, was

00:48:37:26 –> 00:48:39:08
That the last night or second to last night? I

00:48:39:08 –> 00:48:44:07
Can’t remember. Second to last night. Wasn’t that second to last night, the last night you helped the gal? Or last morning?

00:48:44:10 –> 00:48:45:11
Oh, that was the morning. Yeah, the

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Morning. But anyway, I mean, and when you guys were talking about numbers of people, I mean, Bronson’s sitting there, we’re getting ready to, we’re gonna pound this deer. And of course when I get there, I’m like, I get more excited.

00:48:56:11 –> 00:49:04:12
He’s only five minutes, he’s only five minutes from me by drive in the in vehicle. He’s, you know, he is two, three miles away, you know, roughly glassing some other stuff.

00:49:04:15 –> 00:49:21:04
So Yeah. Well, I’m glassing some other stuff. Brownson and I are tag teaming this. His tag is left. And so we’re just working it hard, you know what I mean? And so we’re covering the numbers. That’s what you do. And I mean, anyway, this buck’s out there and pretty soon one of those things

00:49:21:17 –> 00:49:22:01

00:49:22:11 –> 00:49:39:04
You see ’em and then you don’t, and there was a pumpkin underneath of us and we didn’t see it. And he pounded that deer. And I mean, and they’re out there looking for it and we’re watching ’em, you know, go back and forth and, and we don’t see where it drops because Bronson turned to me to say something and we couldn’t find the deer again. At least I never did see the deer knife.

00:49:39:07 –> 00:49:41:28
No, no. Oh, you look, your phone scope footage. I show you the phone scope.

00:49:42:10 –> 00:49:45:24
Speaking about let’s, that’s right. Let’s give a chest and a plug. Bronson take her away.

00:49:46:03 –> 00:50:15:10
Well, yeah, and I, you know, I just got a new phone, so I gotta order me another one, but it 1-800-790-FOUR four eight zero. Phone scope pretty much has revolutionized the digi scoping industry to be able to use your camera on your phone to capture whatever it is you’re after. Whether it’s sheep, deer, elk, antelope, birds, you know, I know there’s a whole bird watching phone scope following as well. I’ve seen that on the people that just like to take pictures of birds or whatever else. But anyway,

00:50:15:12 –> 00:50:17:07
He’s got a whole car dedicated to birding.

00:50:17:15 –> 00:50:18:12
Oh he does? Yeah.

00:50:18:21 –> 00:50:23:22
The rap and everything. I’m like, really? Come on the Tweety, get back to Hunty Bird. Justin, get back to hunt.

00:50:23:26 –> 00:50:34:08
Anyway, but give him a call or visit him on the [email protected]. Spelled p h o n e s k O P e.com. So great product. Great

00:50:34:08 –> 00:50:43:22
Product. Good dude. So yeah. Anyway, that’s our Colorado story. We got a ton of Colorado stories. I thought you guys were gonna pin somebody down, moving right along.

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That’s right.

00:50:45:17 –> 00:51:02:13
I do have a funny story about Colorado one time. So I had a 68 tag back in the day. Boom. And there was somebody else else that was, somebody else was hunting 68. And I’m pretty sure I saw him at the gas station, but he wouldn’t really look up. Who?

00:51:02:17 –> 00:51:02:28

00:51:03:01 –> 00:51:03:29
I don’t, I don’t

00:51:04:29 –> 00:51:05:06

00:51:05:17 –> 00:51:09:19
No. Who, who? No, I don’t. Maybe Chris. Maybe Chris. What? Chris

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Was high.

00:51:11:05 –> 00:51:12:17
I’ve never even discussed this with

00:51:12:17 –> 00:51:13:28
Chris before. I don’t even remember hearing all Chris,

00:51:13:28 –> 00:51:16:24
But I remember going to a gas station. Chris and Guy saw this guy

00:51:17:10 –> 00:51:17:19
Actic are awesome.

00:51:18:02 –> 00:51:24:08
I just saw this guy over there and I’m like, oh. ’cause I’ve met Chris before, you know? But just like briefly a couple times. Not casually, just

00:51:24:08 –> 00:51:29:14
Casually you didn’t workforce us back in the day. And so you were Jason’s brother-in-law, right? That’s, that’s all you were to most

00:51:29:18 –> 00:51:36:18
I, most of us. So I remember in passing and, and I see this guy in his hats, his hat’s pulled really low, like really shit. And it’s at night, you know, my

00:51:36:18 –> 00:51:37:23
Dad, Chris, how to do this

00:51:38:17 –> 00:51:49:08
And really low and, and head down a little bit, texting on his phone, lean it up against a truck. And I’m like, I think that’s Chris. I think that’s Chris.

00:51:49:28 –> 00:51:56:11
And in Chris’ mind, Chris is like Chris a Jeff. There’s, there’s a dude that if I open my mouth, he’s gonna follow me the rest of the hunt.

00:51:56:21 –> 00:51:57:06

00:51:57:06 –> 00:52:03:01
Another dude in a Utah plate. I’ve got a Utah plate and I don’t wanna make even eye contact.

00:52:03:17 –> 00:52:04:25
I’m pretty sure that’s what it was, Chris.

00:52:05:05 –> 00:52:05:19

00:52:05:21 –> 00:52:06:06

00:52:06:23 –> 00:52:17:17
When I used to go, when I used to go to town over there, I would put on my cowboy boots, my Carhartt coat, I would take off anything that resembled hunting gear and I would just go into town and, and, and no, I’m, you know,

00:52:18:14 –> 00:52:22:11
I’m, I don’t remember seeing Camel. I remember seeing the hat pulled down. I’m just,

00:52:22:14 –> 00:52:23:06
You’re looking for

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Very cock Beatle.

00:52:25:13 –> 00:52:29:12
The problem was, I had people walk up to me on the hill and they’re like, Hey, are you Chris? And I’m like, oh crap.

00:52:29:26 –> 00:52:37:14
And that was even before the diehard cowboy days. So that was maybe how diehard cowboy was hatched. Can we say that? No. Oh, okay. Just, just

00:52:37:14 –> 00:52:57:26
One. But one thing I will say, you know what’s the coolest thing ever is when we, like me and Adam, were in Montana, or not Montana, in, in Wyoming hunting 1 28 deer. Oh yeah. Geez. And we pull up, there’s this Ford with an epic sticker in the back. That’s pretty cool. When you start seeing epic stickers in random places, like so call in and order your, follow

00:52:57:26 –> 00:53:07:10
That guy epic sticker. Follow that guy. Yeah. And that’s what Chris I love. ’cause he’s had guys come up and start talking to him and, and he doesn’t even talk to him back. He doesn’t even

00:53:07:26 –> 00:53:09:01
Come on. I love

00:53:09:01 –> 00:53:24:00
It. It’s, it’s kind of like, like your house, if a guy comes up like these magazine salesmen, right? Right. I tell my kids it’s our freaking house. Yeah. You do not have to open that door just ’cause someone knocks. That’s what Chris, Chris takes that to a whole new level.

00:53:24:08 –> 00:53:25:24
I’m better than I used to be. Okay.

00:53:26:19 –> 00:53:40:12
I mean, somebody come up, Hey, how you doing? Sit right next to him. And I mean, we’re out there. He’s videoing a rich reaper. Yeah. Glass or whatever on the mountain. And, and a guy will come up and talk to him and of course I’m off in the bushes or whatever and, and Chris won’t even look at him. I mean

00:53:41:03 –> 00:53:41:19
It’s awesome.

00:53:42:02 –> 00:53:44:26
I’ve, I’ve suffered from this very thing that’s probably happened. Like

00:53:45:04 –> 00:53:54:02
You were needing a place to go. You were looking at a fellow Uttar wanted a, wanted a maybe a lift a little ham. Yeah. What do you got? Throw me a bone. Where you got a four point. Chris

00:53:54:02 –> 00:53:59:05
Is putting on his phone to his ear, even though nobody’s on it. And he’s talking, Hey, out you got that shipment of heifers ready?

00:54:01:13 –> 00:54:03:25
Pretty soon Jeff goes back to his truck and drives away. Yeah.

00:54:03:25 –> 00:54:04:00

00:54:04:20 –> 00:54:08:25
Finished going up with gas. Drove off. Like I, I think I ate dinner with that dude once.

00:54:09:01 –> 00:54:10:19
Here I’m gonna tell you something kind of funny.

00:54:11:04 –> 00:54:11:17

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Yourself the first

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It’s the truth. It’s the truth. The first year I went down there, I, I used to love this, but I would drive. I would drive. It’s the truth. I would drive a two, two-wheel drive. Car hunting. What?

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Oh yeah. Nobody

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Ever suspect a two-wheel drive car.

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Did you take a two-wheel

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Drive? I brought there Dude, I brought my 200 inch deer home

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In the front seat

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With Ford.

00:54:28:18 –> 00:54:28:25

00:54:28:25 –> 00:54:29:25
Taurus. He’s gonna, you did?

00:54:30:00 –> 00:54:35:07
I did. Ford Taurus. Ford Taurus. Wow. He’s hunted out west in a freaking front wheel drive car. I did

00:54:36:05 –> 00:54:36:18

00:54:36:19 –> 00:54:37:14
You had a truck. This,

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I just wanna know if it was gut, it was a truck

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In a cooler, a cooler, cooler. Wasn’t a,

00:54:45:06 –> 00:54:46:12
A crime scene in the trunk. It

00:54:46:12 –> 00:54:48:17
Wasn’t like bleeding all over anything.

00:54:48:29 –> 00:54:53:06
There’s so many stories about Chris. He shed hunted this place with how many girls?

00:54:54:26 –> 00:54:56:06
This is the longest time Chris takes.

00:54:56:14 –> 00:54:58:12
Chris takes dating to a whole new level.

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This is like 10 years ago. He’s like, I’m

00:55:00:02 –> 00:55:06:00
Gonna trach them. They’re, they’re like my shed dogs. Get out there and start walking. Good girl. Wasn’t

00:55:06:01 –> 00:55:09:18
Good girl. Wasn’t everything you find wasn’t even a date. Come on.

00:55:10:13 –> 00:55:15:22
You don’t drive from Utah. 10 hours to a spot to shed hunt and not call it a date.

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It wasn’t a day. It was two girls. Both who?

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Yeah. Oh it was. And they all slept in the same car. Yeah.

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Slept in the same car.

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We slept, we all slept in the back of a two outta four runner

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And they, shed hunted the crap out of it for him.

00:55:28:20 –> 00:55:33:20
Well we just said, ugh. No, no, no. Unnecessary cuddling unless it gets sick cold.

00:55:33:29 –> 00:55:38:16
I’m just wondering just how, like, were they invited on future she trips or were they just bad

00:55:38:17 –> 00:55:44:22
Shed dogs? It was a rough trip. I didn’t, I didn’t do that. Let’s leave it at that. I didn’t just leave it

00:55:44:22 –> 00:55:45:19
Right there. I

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Didn’t move to Idaho. I didn’t do that ever again. I did not do that again.

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I’m telling you, it’s,

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We picked up a few, but

00:55:52:26 –> 00:55:55:26
Idaho, sheep, moose, and goat. Chris, you’re off the hook. We’re moving right along.

00:55:56:02 –> 00:55:58:25
So did you give him a backpack to at least haul the sheds out?

00:55:59:07 –> 00:56:00:00
I think so. Alright,

00:56:00:02 –> 00:56:03:04
Let’s move along. I agree, Bronson. I agree. Let’s get outta this. Sorry

00:56:03:05 –> 00:56:06:29
About that Chris. I introduced all sorts of stuff that just went on there anyway.

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00:56:07:11 –> 00:56:11:24
Why, why do we only talk about sheep, goat and moose in Idaho? Bronson give it to us. Here we go.

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00:56:12:08 –> 00:57:01:10
Do have, they’re one of the states that has a split application period for several of their species. And the first one they have is for sheep, moose, and goat. And that’s open from April 1st to the 30th. And then the deer, elk, and antelope is later on with the June 5th deadline. So we cover that later in the, in the May, in month of May. A couple of bigger changes I guess to keep in mind for Idaho Moose, sheep and goat this year. As you’re no longer gonna set paper applications in the past, you could send in their little application worksheet with a check, save yourself a 3% online convenience fee. That’s no longer an option. So you can either call on the phone, you can do it online or go to Idaho and visit a vendor. That’s the own, that’s not very handy. I just give it as an option. You don’t always

00:57:01:10 –> 00:57:01:29
Have to go to Idaho.

00:57:02:03 –> 00:57:04:23
Yeah, well a state line Kent’s

00:57:04:23 –> 00:57:06:22
Optics in Tremont in Yes. Utah.

00:57:07:03 –> 00:57:07:20
There you go.

00:57:08:02 –> 00:57:10:25
He wasn’t even on the, he wasn’t even on the dock to give a plug. But

00:57:10:28 –> 00:57:53:05
Go ahead. But we’re plugging ’em kent’s optics.com. You know, they’re great sponsors of us. We share a booth with them. Western Hunting Conservation Expo. But they’re a great partner of ours. Great prices on optics, but they are an Idaho licensed agent. So it is true you, you don’t have to be in Idaho, but generally you gotta be close to Idaho, which they are the only ones I know that they’re the furthest south into Utah. Let’s probably put it that way safely. Probably say that. Yeah. But anyway, it is a state that’s a little bit costly. They do make you buy 155, I’m rounding to the nearest dollar hunting license before you can as a prerequisite. That is if you apply for moose, sheep or goat now, or the deer, elk or antelope plater, you do have to buy that. That’s for a a, an adult non-resident.

00:57:53:27 –> 00:58:55:08
Then the controlled hunt application fee for sheep, moose and goats for non-residents is $41 and 75 cents. So you’re looking at 200 bucks roughly. That’s what you’re looking at in addition to front the fee to a fronting the fee, 2200, I’m rounding again 2100 bucks and all that getting hit with a a 3% convenience fee. So it’s more like 265 bucks roughly. A little bit tough to apply online and, and you’re not getting a point out, there’s no point system. So it’s a little steep. They’ve increased that application for a few years ago. It, it does have, you know, some of the better odds, especially for moose and and goat that you’re gonna find it’s a completely a random draw. They do have good odds for sheep. You know, they do it kind of differently. They limit non-residents to no more than 10% of the statewide quota for sheep, moose, and goat. But also within each hunt code no more than 10% of the tags in that given hunt. Which for sheep is only, only one it a lot of people or one. Yeah. Or one or one

00:58:55:13 –> 00:58:59:01
Zero. So if there’s not 10 you can still draw, but, but or one. So

00:58:59:03 –> 00:59:15:19
That’s right. So it is a state that we, that we apply in now sometimes admittedly I’ll skip the sheep even though I love to apply for sheep. If it’s not a year that I feel I can wedge at an ultra awesome sheep tag into my schedule, I’ll skip it and I’ll do the deer, elk and antelope later. And I know you do the same piece. Yeah,

00:59:15:19 –> 00:59:18:19
I do the same thing. I’ve drawn moose up there, of course. Oh that’s

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00:59:18:26 –> 00:59:26:19
Back in the day. And so anyway, it’s a great state for applying for sheep goer moose. If you do that, like Adam said, moose has come up twice with Jason. You cannot you,

00:59:27:09 –> 00:59:32:02
He’s trying to get off that subject. He’s the only person here that’s draw a moose tag and he’s drawn two, you two,

00:59:32:07 –> 01:00:32:24
You cannot apply for deer, elk can antelope if you do sheep goer moose. And so it does make the drawing odds better. We do like the fact that there isn’t a point system. We do like the fact that you have to choose it. It just allows for these better drawing odds, which is really tough to find in this day and age. And, and there’s great opportunities for any species that really makes you choose. And so, like Adam said, right now, the deer in a slump, they had a tough winter in 2016, 2017 and you know, a couple of the better units, 44, 45 and some of these other units, 40, 42, they’re still good quality. That chalice country on the 30 sixes and and country up there really been tough. And so anyway, they do have, they’re not known for big, big bulls, but they do have a few, especially in that unit 54. We cover that heavily later in the year. But while we’re talking about Idaho, I did wanna throw that out there just so people can kind of get a feel and wrap their head around what would you choose. Yeah. Would you choose sheep, goat, or moose? Even though we don’t talk about deer elk. Yeah, right now we do need to kind of discuss it so you can choose. Yeah.

01:00:32:24 –> 01:01:16:16
Because if you choose to do sheep or moose or goat, that’s it for Idaho. Until the second controlled hunt drawing and that or the comes around, things like that. But it is a great state for their sheep seem to be doing right now. They’ve opened up several new units in the state this year as well as new season dates within certain units. Their sheep are really doing good right now. Doing well. And overall, you know, if you need a rocky at some point in your life or a California bake horn, they have both. You should really consider applying for ’em. It is, like I said, a little bit costly, but what isn’t a sheep tag, you know, it’s, it’s cheaper than 50 60 grand for a rocky tag and for 250 or so bucks a year, you get a chance just as good as anybody. One aim in the hat, whoever gets it gets it.

01:01:17:02 –> 01:01:39:23
A lot of guys like fronting the fees ’cause it, because you, there’s a trade off when you front the fees, the drawing odds are better. And so anyway, there’s trade offs no matter what state we’re talking about. Great opportunity. You know, we, you can read all about it here in the Epic Outdoors magazine. It’s the March issue. Of course we’ll cover, like we said, the deer, elk, and antelope later on and go from there. So anyway, anything else that you guys want to add? Well, just for those,

01:01:40:03 –> 01:02:00:12
Those guys that aren’t members, then all these odds, they’re, they’re covered in the magazine. You’ve got, if you’re a member you can log onto our website. You can look up odds in every unit and and see what your drawing our odds are. If you’re a member you can also call us and ask about specific units and the differences between specific units. So those are benefits of joining

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Busy time of year, March and April. Seems like everything’s due and open. I mean I know there’s a few that have closed already, some of the Wyoming stuff and Arizona, antelope and Elk, but in Utah. But man, there’s a lot right upon right in our plates right now. And so the easiest way for a hundred bucks a year is any easiest way to just to stay on top of that. And month by month take, take a little bite and see what’s in front of your plate is to subscribe to the Epic Outdoors membership. You get the magazine monthly from December to June. It break breaks down these states in great detail. Really boils it down. We give our, we’re pretty frank at times maybe too frank about giving our real opinion on whether states, you know, must apply for or what the pros and cons are, things like that.

01:02:44:13 –> 01:03:21:11
As well as going into, you know, every moose unit opened to non or to every moose unit and goat unit and sheep unit in Idaho. It’s all covered in the magazine. Drawing statistics, you know, harvest, harvest percentage, best goat, best sheep, all those. I mean there’s way more than we can cover in a podcast. If you’re interested in that, you can, you can go to epic outdoors.com and or give us a call at (435) 263-0777. Glad to have you as a member part of that membership service. Not only just as a magazine, but the ability to call and consultant and get ideas with us how to use your points and on build a draw strategy. I think

01:03:21:11 –> 01:03:58:24
I want to add to that the same thing we’ve been talking about with the hunt planner and the minimum points querying the drawing odds and all of those features online. We also have the magazine online, so you’ll get it way before you’d get the print printed copy. That’s all just part of the a hundred dollars membership. Yeah, it’s not like you’re gonna get charged a 150 bucks or another a hundred bucks or whatever. It’s just all part of it. So you can go, you can go online, utilize all those features and, and of course we’re gonna keep that updated. We’re gonna keep rolling with that from your, for years to come. So anyway, there’s a lot online. Just go check it out. Epic outdoors.com And then of course if you’re a member you can log on, you’ll have, you can create a password and go from there. So

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Anything else guys?

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Well if you’re gonna gut something, you should probably do it with an outdoor edge knife. That’s right.

01:04:05:01 –> 01:04:06:17
Huh? That’s right. Throw

01:04:06:17 –> 01:04:11:16
It out there Jeffrey. You, you’re the one that introduced me to it. Yeah, so out there on a Nevada hunt

01:04:11:27 –> 01:04:31:11
Outdoor edge, they have a replaceable blade knife that is actually a bigger, heavier duty feel of knife. You don’t, I haven’t, I don’t think I’ve broken a blade yet and I’ve gone through a lot of blades chopping up everything. Doesn’t caribou bear, deer, elk, you name it. Peanut

01:04:31:11 –> 01:04:32:06
Butter sandwiches. Peanut

01:04:32:06 –> 01:04:48:11
Butter sandwiches after doing all that, you know, just wiping on the peanut butter. It’s all good. That’s right. But anyway, outdoor edge.com is where you can find them. They’re, they got a toll free number 1 804 4 7 3 3 4 3. I like the product.

01:04:48:26 –> 01:04:55:13
A lot of other cool tools too. Just do outdoor tools. My kids want a machete really bad. I keep saying no,

01:04:56:06 –> 01:05:01:10
Just give, give ’em a razor blade, John, give ’em a razor blade. That’s a lot more safer than a dull machete.

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One thing that we got that we are doing is, is you will see in the back of the magazine, we have some hunting opportunities. We’re gonna be sending out some via email to our members as well. But there are a lot of neat hunting opportunities even still left this year. So if you are looking for a hunt, if you’re, if you’re needing, oh dear elk, moose, you know, in Alaska or, or you name it, we should have somebody that would be able to take care of you if not this year in the 2020 season. So if you do, if you are looking for a guided hunt, give us a holler. We’ve got a, we got an outfitter to, for you to talk to.

01:05:38:18 –> 01:06:04:20
Jeff is our hunt specialist. He works with outfitters with guaranteed tags everywhere from Canada, Alaska, Mexico, and all through the states here. So anyway, there’s a lot of opportunities. We talk a lot about draw tags, I get it. But there’s also hunting opportunities you don’t have to draw. And Jeff’s, Jeff’s, you know, of course Adam and I consult on that as well, but Jeff is, you know, specially tasked with, with that job of dealing with our outfitters guarantee

01:06:04:22 –> 01:06:34:22
Tax. Well, and that’s just an added benefit. There’s not an additional fee for that either. The a hundred dollars membership, you get the magazine, you get the consulting. And then also ability to call in, put us to work to help you find a hunt for you or a group of hunters that you’re looking for for this year. That’s all included. We just got done talking about, you know, Idaho, 260 bucks to put in for one species or Colorado, if you’re gonna spend three or 400 bucks to do deer, elk, moose, and sheep and goat, you know, it’s a hundred bucks a year. Seems pretty minimal for I think what we offer to help keep, keep people up to date on the dollars, things like

01:06:34:22 –> 01:06:53:23
That. For the price of a sheet point in Colorado. Yeah. If you don’t even include the small game license. That’s right. We’re talking about an Epic membership. That’s right. And so anyway, happy to help you guys out there. We have a lot of guys calling in and, and that’s good. Call in. We’re here to help you. Anything else boys? Let’s call it a day and go to lunch. Huh? Have some bad sushi or something. Over and out. All right.