EP 128: Our First 200 Inch Bucks. In this episode of the Epic Outdoors Podcast The crew shares stories from their first 200 inch bucks. We decided it would be fun to talk about more firsts this week and as we started talking the stories kept coming. Youll enjoy this episode full of some of our best memories.

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Hey everybody. Jason Carter, Adam Bronson, Jeffrey John and Chris Peterson here. Coming at you with some more hunting stories. Anyway, last week we talked about a few hunting stories. Kind of got just things just getting going and we were talking a little bit about maybe some of our, more of our firsts. So anyway, before we get started, we’d like to thank Under Armour for sponsoring these podcasts. We appreciate them and all their support here at Epic Outdoors and Lot coming down the pipe with them. Got a lot of new products, so does a lot of other advertisers here at Epic Outdoors and supporters Q U’s got new backpack and a bunch of different things coming out. We’ll be having them on the podcast as well. Yeah. And anyway, so a lot of good stuff going on. This time of year, which is basically the end of June, first part of July, of course we got 4th of July. I, Jen is like, Hey, what are we doing for the 4th of July? I said, well,

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And Jason, instantly I know what’s going to your brain. Here’s check truck cameras.

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Yeah, here’s an option. So they have this little park, RV park. We could pull our camp trailer over there.

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You did not.

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And Kelly, you

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Did not say this.

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And then you did. Yeah. And then we could run cameras and then we would have, you know, be able to eat together as a family once in a while. Back at camp.

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If you’ve listened to all these Black 4th of July.

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What’s the 4th of July? Jeff, I know you speak Spanish. Jason doesn’t, but I know he probably knows this one. What does Caliente mean?

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And you’re going the 4th of July in the most. And I think it would

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Be very the fun

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Funest place to go camp.

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I think it’d be very hot if we went with my lovely bride in the middle of nowhere and ran cameras, huh?

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Yeah. I I, if anybody, if you’ve been listening to this podcast long enough, you know Jason, he’ll

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Try to get away with that.

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He’s got a fairly one track mind. Well, and

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I’m not saying she was against it, but I’m not saying she was for it. I think it’s still in limbo. So I’m gonna bring it up again. But

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Anyway, good luck with that.

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I wanna

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Talk about, most people say the lake, some are cool. No, you’re going to the arm pit of hill.

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I know, I know. And it is

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In no offense, people in Cali, I’m just saying. No, I know this Southern Nevada,

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It could be worse. It could be Austin or Eureka Nevada. Okay. It could be worse.

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You’re pissing off half on

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Nevada. Is there fishing over there? Can you even, is they fish in Nevada at all?

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Dude, good fishing. Good fishing. Nevada has good

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Fishing. Lake Mead. Yeah.

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That’s the one place to fish.

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And many other places. I’m

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Just teasing. There’s probably

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Pyramid Lake.

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All these little refuges have big fish in them. Trust me.

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Lincoln County.

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Yeah. Plus or minus.

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Alright. Alright. Alright.

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So let’s talk about, I wanna, I don’t know, just kind of on a roll, Adam,

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Let’s talk about stories. Let’s talk about

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About your,

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Let’s talk about, I’ve got one for you. This, this, we talked about a couple of our first bucks the other day. The other day when we had the podcast and we got talking about maybe, well, why don’t we talk about some of the other firsts, you know, whether it’s the first cheap, first Elk, first 200 inches of Carter. Why don’t, why don’t you tell us about that first, first 200 inch mule? First 200. Let’s have it

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1999. So

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Pre millennium.

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Yeah. This is back when Chris we’re back there. Chris. Chris,

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Chris was still in high school.

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Yeah, I was still in

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High school. Still in high school. And, and I was newly me and newly weeded. I was barely in high school. Didn’t even have one kid on the ground yet. As we got a as as, as we were going, I was trying to kill big deer. But I didn’t know big deer per se. But I was, I mean I was spending a lot of energy

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Just outta college. Probably back here in southern Utah. Is that right? You were left. Yeah. Left the cash unit. Thought

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You might lived in Minville, lived in, left the cash.

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You left the cash at Utah State, left the cash behind and were looking for a buck somewhere else that Yes.

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And, and I was like, you know, I’m gonna, I wanna go to Nevada, kind of where that, at that time, the state record typical had been taken from and genetics and this and that. I had enough, I had no knowledge of

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You’re throwing five choices down. Yeah. So you can’t really Yeah. Say that’s the one tag you’re gonna get of No, you’re gonna get one. Don’t. That’s what you ended up getting. I don’t,

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I don’t even remember what choice it was, but I mean, again, don’t know anything about Nevada per se back then. So I go over there, scout. I mean, it was hilarious. I mean, we saw these bulls, big bulls and all this. And I was just like, holy crap, this is heaven. You know what I mean? There’s, there’s game everywhere and whatnot. And I didn’t know people, I didn’t know, I didn’t know anything about migration or I didn’t know anything. They’re very, very green. But I spent a lot of time and I thought this year I want kill a 200 inch here and I’d wanted one. But there’s a difference between wanting one and making it happen. And, and you can’t make ’em happen, but you can Sure. Wear yourself out trying. And I was gonna wear myself out trying that particular year. So all in, so it was working my guts out.

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It’s covering the unit from one end to the other. And this is when I started to hunt the desert stuff. Lower densities, less people, but dear die of old age. And, and so that whole mentality was just developing clear down on the southern end. Went along, ended up, ended up finding this deer. Now my dad and I both have tags. Okay. So he drew and I drew and I ended up finding the deer. And I was like, I think this is a 200 inch. Had little cheaters everywhere, just little cheater. He’s like a seven by nine

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Or whatever. Tall boxy frame though. Tall boxy frame.

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Yep. Good looking dude.

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Good frame with some, yeah.

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31 inch outside cheat to cheater. Anyway, opening morning comes, we get up on a knob and I glass him and I’m like, boom, there he is. And he goes, goes into this big old drone, we can’t see him anymore. And so, okay, so we’re sitting there and we’re like, okay, we’re, he’s here. All we have to do, he’s here. All we have to do is go around this basin or whatever, pop up, glass him up or whatever, and we get to kill him. And so I’m going through these motions in my mind, this is gonna happen. I think he’s 200, not that that’s the end all be all. But it’s a big deal. It’s big. Yeah. Okay, okay. And so we get done. We, we get done. It’s starting to get hot in the middle of the day, first part of October. Brutal hot. And and I turn to my dad and I’m like, Hey, how, how are we gonna kill him? He says, well, what we, what, what we, you know, what we do as a family back in the day is, is the guy that spots him. You get to choose, like, how are you gonna go around the left side, front side? How are you gonna do it? What’s

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Your approach? What’s your actic, what’s

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Your approach? Yeah. And then I’ll choose an approach and go in the other way. And then whoever gets him gets him. And I was like, okay, ah, okay. No pressure to make this decision right here. I want to do what, what’s cold? I, and

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Keeping in mind right now, you don’t know where the deer is. Yeah. I

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Don’t know where the deer is now. It

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Like, he’s in this basin in sea, sea trees. It’s not, seems

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Slightly competitive. It seems odd.

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Slightly. Well, but it’s also, it’s not a, you don’t know the right answer really. I don’t know the right answer. ’cause you don’t know right where the deer’s at. It’s, it went over ridge and now you gotta, where is it now? Gotta refine the deer. But like, you could say, I’m gonna go this way. And you get hiking 400 yards up there and you hear a gunshot and the deer’s feeding right percent to your dad’s. I mean, really don’t know what to, to really,

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That’s legitimately where we’re at. Okay. So I said, okay, I’m gonna go around this side, which is basically the east side and come in at him from this angle. And, and Garth’s like, okay, sounds good. I’ll go around this other side. And, and, and I’m thinking, okay, sounds good. Okay. Fast forward, hike my guts out, get around the backside. We’re both gonna pop up at the same time. That was the goal. We had a time on our watch. We’re gonna pop up and let the fire begin. Let okay. Instead of, instead of just, you know, glassing calmly work together, kill him. It’s, it’s a, we’re gonna, you know, we’re,

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We’re slightly from our, from our last podcast that we did last week on our first bucks, that was total cluster jobs. We’ve, we’ve refined a little bit. We’re, but we’re not yet to where we are in present day. Yeah. We’re still, we’ve got good guns, we’ve got good

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Intentions. Slightly cluster ish, but we’re just, but 10 years later,

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15 years later. That’s right. Okay. Okay.

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Okay. So, so we pop up, I glass, I’m glassing my guts out. I’m glassing Garth glassing for the deer, and I can’t see the deer. I, he’s starting to lay down, he’s taking a dead rest. Kaboom. And I’m like, you’re crapping

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Me and you’re looking straight to the sun or what he killed, he

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Killed a deer that I, that I found that was my lifelong dream. Okay. Which I’m happy for him. Right. That sounds good. Great. Good job. The tear comes bounding out, boom, boom, boom, boom, ba boom, ba boom. And he, he’s, and I’m like, he’s alive. And he when’s it closer to shoot. Right? Like it’s, it, what, you know what I mean? He shot well judging.

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Well, okay, judging from the, the 14 or 15 year experience with 20 piles of brass, 20 on both sides of you. Just go for it. Just let her rest.

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I got down, I got down and went. And I hammered him. I mean, hammered him. And I’m like, wow. Holy crap. This did not just happen. And, and I walk and I go, I hike my gut, you know, hike over there, got all my stuff and I’m admiring him. I’m piled up. Wow. This is awesome. You know, and it takes my dad quite a while to get over there. I’m like, I wonder what he’s doing. I mean, he’s, he, you know, it takes him a little bit to get over there and he, and, and then I see he’s following the track of the buck, you know, and I mean, ’cause there’s no deer in this area there. This is the only deer here. And so anyway, he’s following the track and he gets up to me and he goes, well I didn’t find any blood, so I guess he’s yours. And I’m like, damn, straight. Yeah. Yeah. And by

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You’re, you’re lucky you said that ’cause your tag was punched and notched and signed and dropped. Tap to the antlers.

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I know. I just like, I’m like, ah, I’m so excited. Well, looking back on it, here’s the, here’s here, looking back on it, I chose a route where I get to view the sunny side of trees. This buck is not gonna bed in the sun. No. You, so notice if you and a buddy are doing this,

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If you’re better off doing paper rock, sci, just losing or, or just lose it that way.

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Or maybe if you know you’re a partners inexperience, send him around that side. Yeah. Tell him it’d be good for him to go around the east side while you go around on the shadow, the shady side. So anyway, this buck was obviously better than the shade. I’m looking at the sunny bases of trees, wondering why I can’t find it. So I’ve learned a lot since then. And anyway, awesome experience, you know, all of that Great

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Terry. And sometimes the early bird doesn’t get the worm.

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Sometimes you learn that. So,

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So very similar to this, Adam, you had your first 200 inches also got shot at some, it

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Was kind of a cluster

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Or people beside

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Yourself was, yeah, so this was early two thousands. I forget the exact year, but it was right when Colorado was ripening. They had gone to unit by unit tag draws. 2002, three ish. That’s my guess right there. And me and a bunch of buddies we’d actually picked up, we’d been applying for, for tag, didn’t have a lot of points built up. So we picked up leftover tags back then in the day, you know, there’s a lot of tags you could pick up leftovers back in the day. This day and age, not so many. I mean, a lot of tag quotas have been cut or there’s just way more people interested in Colorado now. And so the second choice, third choice, fourth choice, clean up a lot of tags. These were true leftovers. August, we all bought ’em. Me and a bunch of buddies, we went over there.

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It was a great snow year. Snowed like crazy cold as snots. Our first experience there, there. And the deer all crushed down into the high country. You know, we’re seeing them in, of course you see a lot of deer in hay fields and stuff in Colorado, in good units. And we’re just like, this is gonna be incredible. So one of my buddies shot a really good buck. I believe it was opening day or I don’t remember what day we hunted there. If we went opening day or not killed a great buck. So he was spotter for the next five or six days, right? We had kind three more deck. But like, all right, you know, he’s the, he’s the guy on dispatch and working the faces. So I’d hiked up, we’d seen this deer come off this mountain into a private field the night before.

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But everything behind it, like a lot of times in Colorado they’re coming back off a public land. So the next day you had this big game planned to, you know, hike. You had, you know, there’s no straight shot till you had to hike way back around and hike way down the ridge in the dark. We get down there and sure as crap, the buck leaves the private and it’s coming right to me. And you know, and I’m letting it get there. But it’s promise, if you found an oak brush in Colorado, it’s over your head. Yeah. And so the buck’s coming. It’s not that far of a shot. It’s probably two to 300 yards. So not a, it’s a chip shot except for when it’s a 200 inch, 33 inch buck. And you gotta shoot at it offhand. Okay. ’cause you, you don’t know where I got shooting sticks.

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I don’t take offhand shots at 50 yards. Okay? I got shooting sticks. But you’re in six foot high oak brush. You can’t sit down and shoot in that you, you can’t do it. It’s not So I’m literally, I’m literally not just offhand, I am offhand almost tippy toes not I’m, yes. I’m making excuses for about what’s, for what’s about to happen. I think I shot two or three times. I don’t remember, but I know the first shot, let’s call, didn’t even react. Let’s call it a volley. The buck didn’t even react. He’s glued on me. I shoot, he doesn’t even flinch.

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I’ll do that again. I guess. Boom. And he takes off. And at that time, you know, I don’t know if he’s hit what, but he takes off. He’s right on the Crest Ridge before I could even shoot again. He’s over the ridge. Okay. And so I’m starting gathering my crap up. I’m getting down there. All of a sudden I hear volleys of gunshots, right where the dur end. I’m like, oh crap. There’s people over the ridge. They just, they hammer killed my buck. He’s dead. Is he even my buck? Did I hit him that time? Geez. Well, I don’t know. I’m freaking out. And you know, guys are calling me on my radio and I’m like not talking to him ’cause I’m just, yeah, I’m frantic. And right then I look up, here comes the buck running back over the ridge. He runs almost to the same little driver where we stop and he stops. I pull up and hammer him flat. I mean, he drops in his track. And now I’m like, okay, I got him. But what’s happen? Or these guys gonna be tracking them over my side. Are they tracking? I mean, it is, are they tracking blood? All this? Do I have blood going this way? Is the blood coming back? So, and there’s a little bit of snow. Adam,

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What’s legal? First bullet, last bullet I hear. Last bullet is legal.

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Utah, I think it’s last, last bullet. And you’re the animal. So I make my way down to the deer and I’m crapping. I call Gary and he’s like, did you get him? Did you get him Mack? He’s toast That time I freaking crushed him. He’s dead. So I walked down there and I’m praying the whole time that these guys don’t come over. Nobody. He comes over here. Just don’t come over the ridge.

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And you’re not taking your orange off yet. Oh. Because they might be coming. Oh,

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Oh yeah. I, I, I have, oh yeah. I’m not taking pictures. I, I mean there’s no quick at here.

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You’re in an orange suit with orange shoes and everything

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That’s, I had legal amounts of orange on a vest and a hat. That’s, that was legal all And they never came. Nothing. There was two holes in my buck. Okay, come on. One of them, right? You’ve seen this right? Perfect. Behind the shoulder, the other one. Oh, in

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That right through the antler. That’s right. I remember that. I forgot about that. Remember?

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So, I don’t know. I still, to this day, I don’t know if my second shot hit it through that antler. ’cause he was uphill and I was shooting down and I would’ve went high over his shoulder and it would’ve went right through his main beam. Yes. Or whether those guys did it. But it’s a hundred percent fresh. So either I shot it there, my second shot or those guys, the other one was center punched Right behind. Behind. Pretty cool. Yeah. Pretty cool. And he’s mounted that way. And, and they never came over the hill Never came. And, and so I feel a hundred percent confident. That’s my dear. And but it was not without a lot of stress. Oh yeah.

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It’s stressful. Let’s just say

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Colorado. And if you’ve hunted places like, you know, in 35 or you know, some of these units, 18, some of these units that have a ton of tags where we’ve been to before, you can see how easy that can happen. I mean, there’s, there’s people everywhere on every ridge. You’re lucky when get rid of them. There’s

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Squirrel hunters. I mean there’s everything, everything that could be in the field. We had a gal, Chris, remember this? Oh yeah. Well you’re gonna have to help me with this story. Okay. And so we’re in there and we’re all set up and we’re actually videoing for Ridge Reaper.

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You, you’d the buck. Remember, remember you’d glo the buck? Buck was

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Buck. We glossed him. Beded Beded and stalked him. Yeah. And the Buck’s Beded. And we’re sitting there waiting for him to get up and we can’t shoot him. But we see

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His a in the tree. Oh this is another good thing. He’s like, this is good. Probably 500 yards away or Yeah.

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But Beded. Yeah. And pretty soon here comes this nature lover tree hugging gal, bless her heart walking dog bell with Bells likes a great big cowbell

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So that, you know, she’s a hiker and don’t

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Shoot me. Well she walked between me and the buck trying to save his life bull. Yeah. Dead serious. Chris,

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Do you think she saw the deer? I I got it on film. I filmed it.

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We filmed You think

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She saw the deer and knew what you were there

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For? Oh, she knew. He totally knew. I think she

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Knew. Knew that we were set up on a

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Deer. I don’t know that we have hunter orange on. We’re set up. Dunno. She sees us and she’s just gonna take a bell. So a, we don’t shoot her b the buck runs away or whatever. She’s saving

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A lie. Well, the buck dude just hunker. Oh

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Dude, he, yeah, he jumped up. No, he jumped up over the hill and he went over the hill a couple hundred yards an hour later. But we’re in position and we piled right in. Okay.

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Did you see you, did you drive to follow her Subaru off the mountain? See where she drove and go give her a back strapp or what’d you do? We ended up staying on the mountain for the rest of the afternoon. ’cause we had to kill the buck. Oh yeah. It turned into a lot longer deal than it should have

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Anyway. Yeah, it was, I was just like,

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That reminds me of another situation. I had my brother Aaron with me this time. I had a tag in the unit. He didn’t, and I was walking, he was, we uping these cliffs looking at this big cedar broken step below me. And I was gonna hike out to a vantage point below him and just sit in glass, you know? But I would be in the middle of it all. It looked like a great deer area. It was first time to the unit. 61 was in 61. Okay, there we go. So first time there, it’s your

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Second 200 inch.

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I think it might’ve been okay. Yeah. I don’t remember. Alright. Anyway. Yeah. Yeah. I think it was so three years, so years later after the other bug. Okay. That’s, that’s about when it was. And so I’d walked up through and I stopped to catch my bra breath and, and you know, you’re in a sea of trees, so you’re just trying to find your way through where, where’s somewhere high enough that you can actually glass. And I turned back and look and there’s some deer. I look over there like six, 800 yards over there. And there’s some deer. And I can see a freaking big buck staring in the middle of these doors, like a big buck. And I’m calling Aaron and I’m like, I got a buck over here. And I’m repping my scope out and get on and I can see in lines. And I’m like, this is a, this is a no brainer shooter. And Aaron’s like, you better do something quick. And I’m like, what? He’s like, there’s a guy walking between you and the buck. He says, that’s what the deer’s watching. And I could see the deer’s looking at something and this deer this, pretty soon I could see the guy ahead of me, like 300 yards. And he’s walking right towards me. And this buck is just locked on him. But it’s right behind him. If he turns and looks up, he’s 300 yards from the deer. Okay. This is a 2 0 7 deer. Okay. It’s your

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Second 200

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Engine. And, and I’m watching. So the, he’s walking to me the whole time and, and you’re, I’m not on a trail. I’m in trees. I’m in broken trees. And he’s walking, walking walk. And, and I’m watching the deer because I, I wanna see if he blows. I wanna see which way he’s going. But I also don’t want to get seen by this guy. And the deer is, and I don’t want the deer to see me. ’cause now the guy’s walking close enough to me, the deer’s looking right at the guy, which is right in my line of sight too. So I don’t want him to see me. He walks up to, to me, pretty soon he sees me and he waves and he walks over and I’m by, I’m crapping. So you do the hole. Hey, my scope’s looking over here. What do you think I’m looking

00:20:28:02 –> 00:20:30:16
At? And by the way, here’s my silence. Get outta here. Yeah.

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And I’m, and I’m acting like I’m, I got a little, yeah. Food laid out and I’m acting like, ah, I’m just taking a break. I’m kind of, you know, taking a breather.

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And I’m like, he’s like, Hey, what’s going on? I’m like, oh, not much. I’m, you know, I’m just gonna glass this, this little draw down here. I’m whispering. The deer is locked on us. Keep in mind, this is pretty long range gun. I couldn’t shoot. I’m probably 600 yards away. I, you know, have a three to nine or whatever on my thing. And I gotta drop chart tape to my stock. Right. You’re gonna hold over. Yes. 400, 4 50. And he’s like, all right Val, if I go up this way, am I gonna be in your way? And I said, no, he please go. He happened to point the, the way he was going the whole time. I’m like, just keep going. I, I’m gonna stay down here. I’ll be outta your way the whole night. If you get

00:21:18:13 –> 00:21:22:02
To my truck, my keys are in the gas cap. Yeah. Turn on the ac. Do just chill

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Out. Do you want a Gatorade? Do you want some food? What do you want? You know, he said, all right. So he take, he, so he takes off. And I, and so once it gets 50 yards out of my sight in the trees, you’re

00:21:32:13 –> 00:21:33:19
Packing stuff and moving. Well

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No I can’t because remember the deer is locked,

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Just staring at you.

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He’s just locked. And so now I have to watch this deer until the guy’s far enough to away that the deer hopefully goes back to normal. It was, it felt like 30 minutes. And it might’ve been, ’cause the guy’s just still hunting through the trees pretty soon they know the tail twitches like they do, turns his head and he starts feeding. And I’m like, freaking game on. And so I gather my crap, cut the distance roughly in half, get up there, pile drive the buck. And Aaron comes off the mountain, gets to him at dark. It was pitch black. Never saw the guy ever again. We took care of the DR field, dressed the deer that night. Broke camp the next day. Went down there. Took better pitchers in the morning with the, with the daylight. You had,

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It was third season and you had to have the AC on on the way home. It was hot. That’s

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What I remember. It was hot. I remember driving home telling you, I think I called you that night. Yeah. Saying I freaking killed a good deer. He is. Got a bunch of inlines. He’s not a big frame, but he is got a white toed look. Yeah, yeah. Big white

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Frame. And by the way, my air ACS on high, pure cold.

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I have never been thank more thankful I’m heading home from a hunt. Successful. ’cause this was like,

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And you never went back

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Opening day. Usually a guy

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Wants to go

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Back. Aaron went two, two years later we went back and he ended up not killing a deer. I found a big deer that trip.

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Did you have

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A tag? No. Remember I found like a two 15 opening night and he couldn’t get to me fast enough. Enough.

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So it wasn’t You’ve never had a tag there again. No,

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But Aaron did. No, I haven’t. It takes nine or 10 years to point. Oh I know. Just the joys of public land hunting. I mean, in Colorado, that’s what we’re talking about

00:23:03:10 –> 00:23:08:19
Colorado. It’s like that’s just what it, that one 90, I’ve got that one 90 Typical, it was the same thing. The

00:23:08:19 –> 00:23:11:00
One off our YouTube episode where you were like, yeah, I don’t know what

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It is. I think he’s 180 4. He

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Thought he was what, 180 4?

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No, 180 9. He was 180 9 in seven.

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I ripped him off the wall. He is 195 inch or what it was. What was it? Yeah, you did. 1, 7, 6, 5. I don’t know it.

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Something like that. But still. Anyway,

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So still time to tape him again. We can’t remember. We,

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We come across, we come across the ridge and we see a no, we see that buck. And he’s with like six Ds.

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Weren’t you hunting, working down? This wasn’t your So I’m just going from memory. But wasn’t it like you’re dealing with sections, there’s only like checkerboarded sections of

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Privately 500 acres of

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Yeah, you’re dealing with cabinets basically.

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Little, little 500 acres of b l m right there in the middle. Right. Okay. And, and we actually saw the buck. We rolled into the unit a after opening day I think. But anyway, we rolled in the middle of the night because of course we had to finish our day workday. Yeah. Take off, get there.

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No, all in the morning. No nothing till you where this public and private. I don’t,

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This is a long time ago. Well, we had b l m maps, but, but yeah, no, no actual,

00:24:06:09 –> 00:24:06:19

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To, yeah, so we go, anyway, Buck’s coming down a ridge. I take off and I, and I’m going down the ridge because he’s going through the cedars. You can’t really see him. He’s with these doves, but he’s kind of pat caking around. So we know that he’s, he’s killable. And my dad sits on the ridge watching. Well sure enough here comes his truck, pulls up, stops, parks right by him. Gets out, starts enjoying his breakfast, sitting next to my dad. And, and so I’m like, your dad’s

00:24:32:16 –> 00:24:33:25
Ready to kill the deer. Help

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You kill the deer. Like I head him down and he’s, he’s watching. We’re on the phone. Yeah. Because we got cell phone service right there. We’re hitting each other back and forth. And I’m like, I’m like, you got somebody there next to you? He’s like, yeah, I do. I’m like, I’m like, probably not Gunner. Okay, we’re gonna need some code words here or something because you gotta keep me in it. He’s, I’m like, is the fuck down there? He’s like, yeah, yeah. Things are going just fine. Just, just like, they were just, just as planned. Hadn’t heard the I’m, I’m like, and and other guy’s sitting there with Bose and starts glassing and, and I can tell there’s a little stress in my dad’s voice. He’s being pretty cool ’cause I’m listening to the conversation he’s having with the guy. You could hear the other guy. I can hear the other guy. And I’m just like, okay. Okay. Yeah. Just about to the point where I can come over. He’s like, yeah, probably needs to, something needs to happen there.

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I get down in the box heading, heading right around this point where I know they can’t see him. I come over there and luckily the guy right then picks up and is like, well all I’m gonna go glass over here or whatever, walks over the hill, buck walks out, ka pow pound. I pound him right there. And I mean the whole time, I mean, talk about one of those situations where you’re like, you know, you got people everywhere. It’s Colorado. You end up with people everywhere. Yeah. It takes nothing. You lose a buck over a ridge in most of these places. Bullets are flying. Wait for a gunshot. You’re, you’re hearing a big deer die. Yeah. You know what I mean? You

00:26:02:09 –> 00:26:05:04
Don’t want to have handlers on your head during second or third season in Colorado.

00:26:05:11 –> 00:26:07:07
No, you will, you’ll get shot.

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Chris, tell us about yours buddy.

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Which one?

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Broomstick buck.

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The my take a floater beams. Yeah, it was, it was a pretty cool deer. But anyway, we were down there in Colorado and I’d never been to the area before. First time ever. This is your first year dad That buck. First year. Alright. Remember? And we’re, we’re down there and, and it was pretty warm and it was late third season. They hadn’t started rutting or anything. And we’re just grinding, grinding, grinding every day. And we’re seeing a lot of small deer, which is typical down there. A lot of nice little four points. And one day we just start glassing, glassing, glassing. And we got to where we had glassed everything out basically. And I thought, well, I’m just gonna take a little extra time. And I pulled out my spotting scope and I thought, I’m just gonna pick this thing apart instead of

00:27:00:14 –> 00:27:01:26
Handhold tens.

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Yeah. Well and instead of leaving, I’m gonna put it on the spotting scope and I’m gonna pick this hillside apart. And so that’s why I started doing that. And I had two buddies with me and they were kind of getting aty ready to leave. And I just sat there and I glassed this hillside and looking through all these thick junipers and I’m sitting there and pretty soon I see a buck. Walk through

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Your field,

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View my field of view and I’m what, what’s going on here? That was a big deer. Yeah. And I, and I see this deer and I’m like, that is a big deer. I, I lost them for a minute and, and by the time I found ’em again, they were right on the top of this ridge. And it’s a, this is a long ways away. They’re probably half a mile away at least. Yeah. And as I see the buck crust, the ridge, I can see

00:27:50:11 –> 00:27:50:20

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Big. I knew instantly I That’s a 30 inch wide buck. Yeah. Giant and shooter.

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I ran over and I told my buddies, I’m like, there’s, I gotta shooter up here and I’m, I, I gotta hike in for it. And it had gone over the hill so all I could do is hike up around and hope that I could find the buck again. It went up into this basin. Anyway, we get up and, and I decide to, I’m gonna crest around this, this other ridge that wraps around kind of where they went. And I could maintain elevation and see below me. And I start wrapping around and I’m walking along and my buddy’s kind of falling back a little bit ’cause he stopped a glass. And so I was probably 20 feet ahead of him at this point. And I’m just creeping along. And I looked down right below me about 250 yards and there’s the buck. And he’s, dang.

00:28:38:19 –> 00:28:39:24
What’s he staring at you?

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Staring at me dude. And so he’s a giant. Yep. And so I I, there was actually probably six or seven bucks there and I ended up just dropping down, put the gun on my pack from, I was seated. I was sitting down on my butt, but I put the gun on the pack and then just shot from there. And the, the funny part about that story is I ended up driving that 200 entry home in the front seat of a Ford Taurus.

00:29:06:25 –> 00:29:09:22
What those are back in the car? Is that what you had then? Yeah,

00:29:09:26 –> 00:29:11:13
I had a Ford Taurus and it was,

00:29:11:20 –> 00:29:16:05
Did your buddy have a truck? And didn’t they said, Hey, this buck, if he’s yours, he’s going home in your car. Not

00:29:16:05 –> 00:29:25:18
My truck. Yeah. Well I just, I drove out there by myself. But it’s funny, back then I used to hunt in my car all the time and I loved it ’cause I could go anywhere and nobody suspected I was hunting and so it was just

00:29:26:13 –> 00:29:32:28
I’d park. I had to hike more. The word anywhere is, is not That’s a relative. You’d be surprised. You’d be surprised. My

00:29:32:28 –> 00:29:46:07
Family, we, when I was young, we went through some hard times ’cause we, you know, my dad was an entrepreneur and went through a couple of businesses and there was a time I was hunting with him in a 1983 Chevy Cavalier Station wagon.

00:29:46:14 –> 00:29:46:23

00:29:47:09 –> 00:30:06:12
And we slept in the back ’cause those seats laid out. Oh, that’s awesome. And anyway, and so we did over the counter elk tags and things like that in the back of our station wagon. Yeah. So, yeah, no, no stranger to doing that. No pride here gonna hunt no matter what it takes. That’s right. Or what kind of vehicle you have. So awesome stories.

00:30:08:14 –> 00:30:12:27
I feel like we’re leaving a million of ’em out. But you can’t talk about everything in one podcast.

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It was like the best day of my life when I, I finally bought one of Jason’s old trail cam trucks and it was a Toyota or Tundra and I felt like this

00:30:22:03 –> 00:30:24:12
Is the best thing on earth and we’re all

00:30:25:09 –> 00:30:25:12

00:30:25:15 –> 00:30:27:22
And you had barely met Met Jason. Yeah.

00:30:27:22 –> 00:30:28:15
How many miles did it

00:30:28:15 –> 00:30:37:04
Have on hundred and 150,000. And it’s kind of a running joke amongst those of us that know Jason well, that you don’t wanna buy a used truck from Jason.

00:30:38:24 –> 00:30:46:24
But I but here be honest, I give you heck of Yeah, it was, I give anybody that buys myself, I give you such a good deal. You can’t be mad

00:30:46:27 –> 00:30:48:08
Me. And why is that? And why is that? Because

00:30:48:08 –> 00:30:49:28
It’s not worth anything more than that. That’s

00:30:49:28 –> 00:31:01:22
Right. That’s exactly right. That’s where I was going because it, I gave you such a good deal. ’cause I can’t live with myself if I charge you a dollar more. But that, that being said,

00:31:02:02 –> 00:31:09:16
I’ve sold the vehicles to people and then give them another 500 back rebate. Yeah. Just a rebate. There’s a rebate you didn’t know about.

00:31:11:13 –> 00:31:11:22

00:31:11:22 –> 00:31:14:24
Being said, I did go through like three sets of ball joints, but

00:31:15:02 –> 00:31:15:29
Yes, I was

00:31:15:29 –> 00:31:17:14
Able to, it was one of your best trucks you’ve

00:31:17:14 –> 00:31:24:18
Ever had. Yeah, I drove it to 290,000 miles and finally one day I’m just like, the ball joints needed to be replaced again. This would be the

00:31:24:18 –> 00:31:27:12
Fourth ball joint. Fourth set brake brakes. Brakes were gone.

00:31:27:13 –> 00:31:28:16
Rot rotors, rotors were gone.

00:31:28:20 –> 00:31:40:21
You told me you said, I don’t know how I stopped in the dealership parking lot and I don’t know how it really even got there running. Yeah, I mean it was, man, they gave you Chris almost what you paid me.

00:31:40:23 –> 00:31:46:28
So I paid 5,000 for it. And, and I, I go into the dealership and I’m like, I wasn’t really planning on buying a truck that day, but I

00:31:46:28 –> 00:31:49:14
It was the year 2000 tundra. Yeah, it

00:31:49:14 –> 00:31:50:09
Was 2000.

00:31:50:09 –> 00:31:52:00
So the V eight but the small body, it was

00:31:52:00 –> 00:31:58:28
An hospital. Yeah. And this was in 2014. So I pull into this dealership and I was just being curious ’cause I’m like, this truck’s on. Its last leg. This

00:31:58:28 –> 00:32:02:24
Was in 2014? Yeah. Yeah. Wow. That’s not that long ago.

00:32:02:28 –> 00:32:18:04
Yeah. So I, I pull into the dealership and I’m just kinda looking around and I just, I just decided, well I’m gonna ask ’em what they’ll gimme for this truck. And I’m thinking, oh, 1500 bucks or something. They’re, they said, well, we’ll give you four grand for it. I’m like, done. I bought,

00:32:18:21 –> 00:32:18:24

00:32:18:24 –> 00:32:22:08
Bought, I don’t care if you, if you charge me an extra eight for the new one

00:32:23:06 –> 00:32:23:15
I bought

00:32:24:09 –> 00:32:25:20
Outta the old one. I bought

00:32:25:21 –> 00:32:31:08
A brand new truck that day and drove away with a new truck. And they probably started digging in that one after. And like

00:32:31:08 –> 00:32:32:02
You said, done,

00:32:32:17 –> 00:32:50:25
That was probably the day before Carfax was really up and going. I’ve got a vehicle that 2013 Dodge Power Wagon and it was one of my most favorite trucks, but I had that forever warranty. There’s a max care warranty on dodge vehicles with gas motors that you can buy an aftermarket $3,000.

00:32:51:13 –> 00:32:54:00
They’re bumper telling this bumper, everybody

00:32:54:00 –> 00:32:54:10

00:32:54:10 –> 00:33:05:20
To bumper for the life of you as long as you have it. And with a hundred dollars deductible. And I, I’ll bet you, I will bet you I had over $20,000 in repairs. Front, front. Keeping

00:33:05:20 –> 00:33:10:20
In mind this is a brand differential new truck. This wasn’t used. It

00:33:10:20 –> 00:33:10:23

00:33:11:07 –> 00:33:11:19

00:33:11:19 –> 00:33:12:07
What I mean. Brand new.

00:33:12:10 –> 00:33:17:28
But when you buy it brand new, how much can you do to it? Put 20 grand into it, Jeff. It’s brand new.

00:33:18:02 –> 00:33:22:07
Well, no, it, it had lockers and so it has and and when you replace differentials,

00:33:23:17 –> 00:33:24:14
I’m just saying trans

00:33:24:23 –> 00:33:25:02
Transfer cases,

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Most of the time a brand new truck is four or five years before you have to do one thing to it. I know, I know

00:33:29:23 –> 00:33:34:00
One thing. I know. So, but it was, I hear what you’re saying.

00:33:34:08 –> 00:33:36:25
Truck ran hard though. You, you were filming originally purpose.

00:33:37:05 –> 00:33:50:08
Oh, that is my point. That is my point. Point. Like days, days can take a brand new truck off the lot, off the lot and within two years have 20 grand to put into it. That’s all covered under warranty. It was probably

00:33:50:08 –> 00:33:50:20
Three years.

00:33:50:29 –> 00:33:51:12
Okay. Three

00:33:52:23 –> 00:33:55:08
And a truck that’s built for off-road. I mean it was built

00:33:56:00 –> 00:33:56:08

00:33:56:11 –> 00:34:22:02
Truck. It was purpose. I’ll tell you I loved that truck. I loved it. However, by the end of it, I couldn’t spend, I wouldn’t spend two weeks and it would be in the shop for a month. You know what I mean? At some point I had a couple some point the warranty didn’t matter. Yeah. At some point the warranty didn’t matter. It was like, are you gonna have a truck to drive or not? You know what I mean? And so anyway, I often wonder what, what does the Carfax look on? I’ll luck on that.

00:34:24:07 –> 00:34:25:09
Can I just randomly look at that

00:34:25:10 –> 00:34:35:20
Number? It’s a long Jeff. And you know what that warranty, it covered shocks. I re-shared it twice. I mean it shocks ball joints, tie rods, everything. Just like you bought a new vehicle for the first 36,000

00:34:35:20 –> 00:34:40:03
Miles. That was the, the first, you know, you didn’t have any issues till we were coming home from your Idaho

00:34:40:07 –> 00:34:48:09
Rough deer. Yeah, no, I know that’s a classic. So I’m coming home from the Idaho deer. I drew 42 late and we had to do some killed

00:34:48:10 –> 00:34:49:14
The giant Id butt.

00:34:49:14 –> 00:35:02:07
Okay. Yeah. And, and we had to drive fairly aggressively to get to him. Okay. And so all is well. All is well. We killed him. Came home. I’m 15 miles outside of home. How far is it up there? We

00:35:02:07 –> 00:35:03:25
Were almost to the exit. Yeah. Almost.

00:35:03:26 –> 00:35:52:24
How far is it? I’m pulling my camp trailer. It’s negative 10 degrees or whatever up there. It was negative seven. It was called trailer froze Solid. We’re coming home and all of a sudden, I mean my front end’s locking up. Locking up and I’m like, what is going on? I pull it over and there’s differential fluid just all scattered across the trailer. The white, white part of the trailer loaded with fluid. And the only place it’s coming from is the front diff coming from the front diff. Really? Yeah. That’s random. How does that happen? So, oh great, this is a warranty item. Get my money outta this extra warranty. I take it in. They’re like, sorry sir, that’s not covered under warranty. I’m like, what are you talking about? Well, we took off the front cover of the diff and somehow a significant stick went up through the

00:35:53:02 –> 00:35:54:20
Seam, the seam in the metal

00:35:55:11 –> 00:36:13:26
Between the front cover and the diff body and ruined the the gasket and came up through the gasket and all the way home you were leaking front diff fluid. Oh my God. What are the chances of that? They showed me, they showed me the cover. Sure enough, something came up through that seam. Wow.

00:36:14:00 –> 00:36:15:06
That was like a weird first thing. Who’s

00:36:15:06 –> 00:36:17:10
Ever, ever had that happen? No. So yeah,

00:36:18:15 –> 00:36:18:28

00:36:19:08 –> 00:36:21:14
That was a probably an insurance ship claim

00:36:21:14 –> 00:36:22:05
Or something down down the road.

00:36:22:20 –> 00:36:35:17
No, well I mean then they’re a locker front end. A locker front end, which is now X amount, $8,000. They found a used one. They didn’t wanna replace it with new parts and all that. Ever since then, things just never did. It

00:36:35:17 –> 00:36:46:04
Never was quite right. But that’s still that the, the image in my brain. I mean it’s almost like, ’cause I was sitting in the back seat, I don’t remember was Chris, you probably were in the front seat.

00:36:46:11 –> 00:36:46:24
I don’t remember

00:36:47:13 –> 00:36:50:14
Who was with Dusty. Somebody was with Dusty. I was, anyway. Yeah, I was in

00:36:50:14 –> 00:36:51:12
That truck though.

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We were, we were cruising around and, and there’s snow, like there’s significant snow in some places and, and you’re sitting in the backseat. So it’s like tunnel vision. It’s dark. The lights are in the front and we’re just plowing through these cool roads there. There’s some cool roads out there. I mean, cool little

00:37:06:00 –> 00:37:06:14
Two trackers.

00:37:06:26 –> 00:37:09:01
Cool little two trackers. But hauling, they’re

00:37:09:04 –> 00:37:10:16
Moguls. I mean they were hauling

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Tail through here. It it felt like I was on a ride at an amusement park.

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Well, and and there was just enough snow that it kind of cushioned Yeah. Smoothed out some of the bumps and we were just rolling. Rolling.

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Oh, just haul. And it was pretty fun. It it was way fun. We had no choice. Had fun time on

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That. We had no choice.

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But it was cold. That was a cold hunt. I mean that boy that was cold out there in that desert. Yeah, it

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Was. Where are we at?

00:37:35:07 –> 00:38:43:18
I don’t know if we’ve talked a little bit about gear here today. Let’s have a little gear discussion. We, we’ve talked about some of our guns, some of our old guns, some of our three oh eights two. Let’s about some of our new guns. Guns. That’s right. If you’re in the market and definitely needing an upgrade in your weapon of choice, give the guys at Red Rock Precision a call. Kurt Pilcher and his crew there. 8 0 1 4 2 5 6 5 7 4. Make great rifles. We we’ve all got one of the rifles that we’ve used from time to time or multiples in my case in a couple of our cases. And so make great guns. Customize your scope combination to it. Caliber to it. Shoot with them at the range. Visit [email protected]. Or like I said, call Curtness crew. (801) 425-6574. Great. Well-built guns. Very, very accurate. And make those three to five or three to 600 yard shots seem routine. That’s what a gun capable of shooting longer than that does for the more hunting range shots in my opinion. So anyway, give ’em a call.

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People say it’s unethical to take long range shots. Okay. I think it’s unethical not to have a gun like this that is capable of it of doing, because it makes, like Adam said, it makes five and 600 yard shots feel like chip shots. Literally. They’re chip shots. They’re nothing. They can be made a hundred percent of the time if unless there’s crazy wind. A hundred percent when you’re That’s true. And it, and it, unless of course we get into buck fever. Right. And that’s always fun. There you go. We get some buck fever. Yeah. But anyway. Okay. You haven’t ever had buck fever? Oh

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We’ve, we’ve all had that. Oh yeah. I still get it. Absolutely. Like you’d said earlier on the last podcast, I think it usually hits me right when it’s done. Like you get excited. But it used to happen more when I was younger. The controlling, I had, I had a situation like you talked about hunting bears, you know, back, back in I was 15, 16 something sitting in a tree stand. You walk into the bear bait, your dad kicks the bait, you know, ’cause the bear’s gotta hear you drive up, walk down to the bait, da da da tend it, you climb in the tree your dad leaves and you’re in the tree by yourself. And

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The bear’s like, they just loaded it. They

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Left. They left. And dude, the thing was there within 20 minutes, this big bear we had, you know, knew he was coming in before trail cameras. But we just knew from,

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Well dude, we used to cook alarm clocks

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With the fishing line to your battery.

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With fishing line to the battery. Yes. And it had hands on it. Yes. That’s so you knew when the bear come in,

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We would tie, we’d have a, an old clock taped to the back of a tree. It was, it had, it wasn’t digital, but it had our hands, our hands. A double a battery with heavy fishing line wrapped to around the battery. The thing the back of the battery cover off tied to the stick. So when it jerked the stick, it pulled the fishing line out and stopped the timer. Right. You knew right when bear came and

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You knew when you, you, you would go in and say, okay, he was there. My bait has been molested. Let me look at it. Oh, he came in at six last night. That’s how you did it

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Because your battery was jerked and it stopped the time right there. Just like your clock on the wall. Let’s, I mean we’re

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Talking that’s human trail camera and that are, that’s the same era

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You did it too. It’s funny. I’ve never, I don’t tell people that story, but we, that, that came, that’s how we used to bait bears. Well I am, I’m not much older than we talked about. When you couldn’t pull the bow back on your buck at 14 or 15, this bear’s big. It’s a big chocolate. And I mean, and it’s also a bear. It’s like the first experience. You’ve been real close to a bear. A big

00:41:03:11 –> 00:41:04:12
Predator. Predator. Big predator.

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Yeah. And so your ani your nie, it’s significant. Yeah. And, and it’s, you, you’re, no one’s there to talk you through it. There’s nobody there. Just like Jason or me on my first archery. But yeah, there’s no one there. Talk toss down. You got this thing. Stay calm. There’s none of that crap. And I eased out to try to pull back and I couldn’t pull my boat out.

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I’m glad I’m not the

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Only one. I couldn’t do it. I I couldn’t get it. And we had, you know, we didn’t have good tree stands then. Right. They weren’t these these nice ones you chain to and they’re nice and big. It was a homemade jobber, you know, with some lumber.

00:41:36:24 –> 00:41:37:02

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Some lumber and stuff up there, you know. And we had with a tiny little waist

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Strap. Yep. That would choke you out.

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Yep. And I leaned out if you, if you had a waist strap. Yeah. I leaned out and the two by four creaked, I tried two or three times to pull a bow back as thing. Chomping a chomp in this bait. And I couldn’t get it. So finally I lean up trying to almost stand like I’m gonna stand up, flex my legs to get a little bit behind and it creaks and that bear’s head whips. And it’s staring at me like, you know, 20 feet in the tree and he’s just burning holes and I’m crapping. ’cause I’m like, I’m dead. I’m dead. You know, you’re just thinking. He, he knows, he knows. For all

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Intents and purposes, this is a brown

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Bear. Yeah, that’s right. From Alaska.

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Looking at

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Me. You’re a kid. You’re a kid. You’re an inexperienced kid. And your dad’s, you know, off. You

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Got pictures you can picture. I mean, bears like to sit in stands they like to, they’re interested. They go up. They probably sat your lumber

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Stand. Yeah. Probably you. So anyway, and pretty soon he comes over and he walks around my tree. He’s staring up at me the whole time. Walks around. I’m in a giant ponderosa. I’m like, I’m done. There’s nobody to call. This is, you know, this is, I think I’ve

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Gotta just hang my bow up on this little, this

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Is late ai. This is 89 or 90 90 right in there. I mean, there’s no cell phones. We don’t have, you’re just there. Your dad’s kept it dark, right? Yeah. You’re you’re in a tree stand. He’s right. He is. He’s 400 yards away. Sleeping in the truck. ’cause you know, what is he gonna do? Not room for two of you up there circles it twice and leaves and never saw it again. But

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I love it. There’s

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The, those are, those are just, those are things you learn from and those are things that the buck fever, bear fever, whatever, you know, bo couldn’t have been more than 50 50, low fifties. You’d pull it back. Oh never. 15 times that day. Just like Jason, I’m sure you never have a problem pulling back your 48 to 52 pound bow, whatever it was. Man compound.

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That’s the one thing I think about, you know, just, just teeing off of this, is some guys like to have the heaviest bowl they can draw. You know what I mean? Heaviest bow that you can get pulled back if it’s 75, 80, 85, 90 pounds, whatever. That’s what they want. I like to be able, I’m, I can pull those bows back, but I like to be able to hold it. I’ve killed several of my bucks. Oh yeah. Almost two minutes into holding a draw. You know what I mean? And so you just to be able to hold it. So I’ll have, you know, often a, a 65 to 70 pound bow that you can just hold for a long time. You know what I mean? And that sometimes will kill that. That makes difference between killing and not Well,

00:44:04:14 –> 00:44:31:16
That’s gonna reduce the shaking. You’re you’re not gonna start shaking as early. Yeah. And it’s gonna save your shot. Well, and let’s face it, you’re never when at your house, you’re standing up, you’re pulling back when you’re never in that you’re crouched your legs are half asleep because you’re trying to stay hidden and now you rise to pull. It’s always you’re in a fatigued or a contorted twisted position. So you’ve never got all your muscles working Right. Almost never. So keep that in mind. Tip of the day by Jason Carter, tip of the

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Day. Alright,

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Crank your bow down.

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Load up of that razor light, the razor, the razor light knife. So anyway, good guys right here out of Colorado. So

00:45:10:21 –> 00:45:16:25
Make a lot of other products from saws. Yeah. Saws to everything else. If you need something for your pack that way, load it up.

00:45:17:01 –> 00:45:22:12
Yeah. Camp kitchen items, forks, knives, spoons, different things like that. They, they do a few of those things too. I’d love

00:45:22:25 –> 00:45:25:12
The Jeff John stories. We need a few more of those. I I I,

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I mean

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When you think of ’em, write ’em down and we’ll run in the office.

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I mean, there’s some, I don’t know. That’s some, it’s pride.

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It’s fun hearing about ’em for the first time.

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Well we were, we come from the era of, of, you know, walk as far as you can, bump a buck and try to kill him. We did a lot of that. Or ride, we, we rode horses a lot when I was kid. A lot, a lot.

00:45:47:23 –> 00:45:48:10
Deer drives.

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Deer drives, you name it. We we did it all. Yeah, yeah, yeah. My dad was not, he was not a sitter. Did not like sitting at all. You know, he still doesn’t, he likes to get out and travel and it always works out for him. He, he’s, he’s good at that. I’m not so good at that. I, you know, I, I, I killed very few that way, you know, but he always kills something and you have to be careful ’cause you leave a gun in his hand. You know, we’ve talked about a joke about a sheep tag. Like what, what is he really like? He’s just gonna kill something. I’m, I’m a little worried he is just gonna kill something. So, so, you know, ’cause he, he has, he has an amazing ability of just killing stuff like crazy. Well, it’s, so

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He’s from the old, the older school generation. Let’s face it. Where, you know, meat was, was a lot of why you hunted there. It wasn’t always trophies, you know, a lot of our dads, you didn’t start hunting trophies. Nobody’s, you know, we didn’t start that way. But it really wasn’t that way in the fifties, sixties, seventies. It just wasn’t that way. If

00:46:44:18 –> 00:46:46:25
It’s a good buck, it’s fine. Like if it’s a, it

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Was the law adage,

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My, my dad and relatives used to, you know, hang out in an old box car playing cards and they would have a bed on the big buck of the day. And so, yeah, it’s

00:46:56:11 –> 00:47:00:22
A big bucket. Throw lead in the air as much as you can. The law of adages stuff’s good. Good stuff could happen.

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And things were measured by width. That’s just what it was. Poundage usually a 30 inch buck every day won the contest. I mean, could you imagine living in those, that era, it’d be un unbelievable. So

00:47:12:14 –> 00:47:16:05
Lead pipe falling out carcasses. I got a buddy

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And he’s one of my favorite people to hunt with, but he’s, he’s probably 60, but we always joke with him. We’d, we’d be glassing a buck and,

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And we’re like, oh, it looks pretty

00:47:24:26 –> 00:47:27:00
Good. And he, he’s the one with the tag and he’s

00:47:27:00 –> 00:47:29:00
Like, has he got good hams?

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That’s the first like, oh, he is got a kick outta him. He’d, if it had three points, he was just, he just wanted to kill it. Right. Now if it had hams, like, hold on, hold on, hold on. Let me see his ham. He okay. Yeah, that one’s good. Left one, right? Oh yeah. Oh, he’s round and plump. Ri

00:47:53:23 –> 00:48:30:05
I think it’s just, I think it’s back then it goes back to what we’re talking about with meat and food. And you’re killing a deer. I don’t care what you want, say what you want. Whatever you’re providing for the family, you’re killing this deer. I mean, it was legit. Oh yeah, it was back then. You know, money, money. Things have changed nowadays. How fortunate are we to be able to do all these things and be able to not have to really a hundred percent hunt for food? And we, although we do it, we eat everything we’re killing or, and it gets consumed. No question about it. But it’s a little bit different nowadays. Back in the day, you pretty much hunted your home state. We hunted

00:48:30:08 –> 00:48:35:19
One hunt a year. You did maybe two. You did maybe the general elk and the general deer. That was about it.

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And you had your week a year and that was kind of where the kids took off school. And anyway, things have just changed so much, so much.

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And you know, I would say not, maybe not everybody’s in the same situation that we are or you are, whatever. You know, I don’t, not everybody’s hunting multiple states, but the option is out there and you can fairly easily figure out how to do it. Once again, it comes back to our magazine. That’s what, that’s what the value in our magazine is. I think we’ve taught a lot of people to do that. I think we’ve taught a lot of people how to do that. And there is, you know, the, the shoot more, eat more movement is definitely here. Like a lot of people don’t mind going on cow elk hunts. They don’t mind killing that. And I, I think it’s great because once again, we’re instilling in people the value in hunting. And I think that’s something that we, you know, we need to have that, we gotta have that, you know, those cow tags are issued for a reason. Those cow tags, those, those dough tags are issued for a reason now. I I I’ve never shot a cow. I’ve never shot a dough. That doesn’t mean I think there’s anything wrong with it. No,

00:49:38:21 –> 00:49:38:24

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Think go

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Out, we tease about, we tease about dropping bombs on moms and a little bit and, and it seems like in a day that it feels like we’re always trying to bolster populations that shooting moms isn’t the proper thing to do necessarily. But it is a management tool and you know, people are out doing it. We endorse it, all that no big deal. We just tease a little bit and have a, have a good time with

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It. Yeah. So yeah, don’t, don’t assume that we’re, you know, we’re, we’re, we’re anti any of that. You know, we believe, we think you should get out and hunt any way you can. If that’s the way you can do it, man, go do it and do it as often as you possibly can. Yeah.

00:50:13:05 –> 00:50:26:05
But we’ve had guys that have joined our license, app service and, and tell us, we only hunt for meat. I’m not a trophy hunter. You guys know who I’m talking about. There’s a couple of them. And now they’re kinda like, well you drew me this tag. And I’m like, yeah. Do you remember, let me read a few notes to you.

00:50:26:12 –> 00:50:28:22
You didn’t own a gun. You don’t own a gun. You

00:50:28:22 –> 00:50:29:28
Didn’t own a gun two years ago and

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You drew an elk. We drew him an elk and a deer tag.

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I, and this year he’s got another tag. And he’s like, so tell me about this one. And I said, well, you want to hunt near your son’s hometown there in Oregon. We got you that tag. Yeah, but it doesn’t look, I’m nice a little bit. I’m like, no, remember you’re just a meat hunter and you get to stay at your son’s house every night. I know. That’s right. You

00:50:50:00 –> 00:50:57:04
Know, I talked to him yesterday and you know, the first year we applied him, we drew him a ta, we drew him an elk and deer tag in Idaho. Oh yeah.

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And he killed on both.

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And he is flabbergasted that he has not drawn Yeah. Another Idaho deer in LA He doesn’t understand it. And now he’s like, he’s like, can I buy an over the counter tag up there and go and I’m Oh absolutely. Yeah man, we can make it avid. It’ll be fun.

00:51:11:02 –> 00:51:17:06
Yeah. But I’ve known guys that go up there on the over the counter since that winter of 16, 17. Tough not see fuck. It’s ah, buck.

00:51:17:09 –> 00:51:19:12
It’s a different hunt. I still think, you know. Anyway.

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Worth it though. See some worth it. It’s, there’s guys that are doing it. You work hard, you can do it Anyway, just to throw a little, little fun out. There’ll some out there. I fun stories.

00:51:26:07 –> 00:51:27:29
Yeah. Little few, few stories. We’ll try keep

00:51:27:29 –> 00:51:33:00
Doing this little history about us. You know, maybe our first wolves will come out in the next podcast. Oh,

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Get up

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Stories Like the first sheep. I’m,

00:51:35:19 –> 00:51:36:16
I’m jealous of you guys about those

00:51:36:16 –> 00:51:45:13
Wolves. I don’t wanna talk about my first moves really. Maybe Jeff’s first caribou. We go over that story again. All right guys. Covered well we sure appreciate everybody’s listening. Maybe

00:51:45:19 –> 00:51:51:05
Go ahead. When John gets back from his vacation, we talk about his, I think it was his first antelope In Wyoming. In Wyoming.

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And the shovel.

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Is there a shovel?

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We’ve referred a

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Couple of we the shovels outta that one

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All. You’re right, there’s probably true. Just

00:51:58:18 –> 00:52:00:10
Saying there’s more one way to keep, it’s

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Just man, when you get to sit at the expo or something in person sometime and we can make sure there’s no recording devices on. There’s a good story about that.

00:52:09:09 –> 00:52:14:16
You don’t have to have an outdoor knife to cape an antelope. Just just saying. Just, you don’t have to have one

00:52:15:21 –> 00:52:16:07
Should, but

00:52:16:09 –> 00:52:17:29
You should. But you should. If you want clean lines,

00:52:18:00 –> 00:52:20:12
Spend the money. You definitely should buy an outdoor edge life. Alright.

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All right guys, have fun.

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Be safe.