In this episode the crew hits the list of questions submitted by our Instagram followers for some more pre-season discussions. We talk about whatever is on your minds, from post harvest tips to the pattern and future outlook of specific units!
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You are listening to the Epic Outdoors Podcast. Check us [email protected]. Hey everybody, Jason Carter and the Epic Outdoors Crew coming at you from Southern Utah. We got Wyatt. How you doing Wyatt? I’m here Josh. Good. Got you Cash. Good. John Peterson. Hey. Hey Devin. Present Accounted for Logie Bear. He’s here. Always here. Yeah. Fully engaged. I like it. I don’t know about always. Why? Why are we getting, I’m cutting this one out. If we go over this again, I was reading, sorry. How, how mu how many hours on average does Loie bear work here at the office? And then how many days a week? 32.3 Claiming. That’s pretty good. Claiming full time. Yeah. As what generation are you? Z Z’s always do what? 32 equals 40 or 30 equals 40. What? What I thought you were supposed to charge time and a half. That’s after 40 Luie shoot. Fri Friday’s a weekend apparently. Yeah. Four days a week. All days outta the year. Guys, you guys are never here on Fridays. I’m here most Fridays. What are you talking about? We don’t know what takes place on Friday. Only in the summer. Might have to review the footage. John, I guess this time pull it up. John has collected some pretty amazing footage on our security camera. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. How about the time we were trying to track the guy that dumped a bunch of leafs. That was the bad. Oh, let’s go.
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Let’s go over that. Branches. And so there was a guy, so we have like this one little dumpster, right? That’s made for our office and anybody else that rents from us, it gets abused, totally gets abused. And so we’re like, that’s it. Somebody loaded the dumpster branches and grass clippings and nobody’s saying anything. Right? ’cause there’s no way you can catch the guy. It’s like, John, take half a day and go figure it out. John, what do you do? Go take half a day to figure it out. What did you find John? It was wb. Somebody could have just asked no idea who drives doing tundra. Why? Has no idea why. How many windows does your office have that we all can hear everything that’s going on? I mean in, there’s a little security room. You have no idea what you’re doing over there. Okay. I felt like the office stopped for a minute and we were like, this was a project and you were silent. That’s what I kind of felt like. Josh, what did you think? Oh yeah. Yeah. All of a sudden it’s like, huh, there’s a brown tundra unloading all of this crap. Yeah. And John’s like, wait, it’s still here. It’s right here. It’s in the parking lot. I looked at, I’m like, that’s Whyt. I think I actually admitted to it before we found the brown tundra. So from now on, we have no problems with that.
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Just admit it up front. So from now on we’ll start saying, whoa, the garbage is full. And Admir animal will be like, eh, just it was me. It was me. Don’t, don’t go to the footage. It was me. Pretty funny. We also have caught other people doing janky stuff. That’s pretty awesome. Like we missed our calling in life. Especially with Wyatt on board. He could be the DNA specialist. Don’t know where that’s going. John and I are good. We tracked down exact, I mean basically like the year cars were made and all kind of colors, even though it’s black and white and 14 other variations and Yeah. License plates, baby. Yeah, it’s kind of fun, right? Yeah. So to figure out if Logie bear’s putting in 30 or 32 or 30, or his claimed 45, we could figure that pretty easy, couldn’t we? Not a problem, Logan. Good to, by the way, how do you feel about this digital footprint? What maybe, we’ll let Devin lead this off. We had a pretty heavy discussion about the digital footprint out there that we’re all leaving and the trackability of absolutely everything through OnStar, whatever cell phones. We were talking about how ai Google can tell you what side of the bed you sleep on. Yeah. What? What? Yeah, they can, are you serious? Oh, well where your phone is is on which nightstand? Holy crap. Oh, when you go, do you find your iPhone?
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I can tell where in my house my wife’s phone is. And she But like which side of the bed? That’s pretty specific. That is like, that’s getting old. Yeah. Wow. It’s slightly unnerving. The mic’s always on. Just remember. Yeah. That’s pretty. And then with AI and listening and then all of a sudden these popup ads and we all know what’s happening and people like Logan embrace it. Yeah. This generation embraces it. Logan, you wanna be chipped. I think even, right? Oh, if Elon came knocking, I’d be there in two seconds. Oh, would you put a chip in your head? No, absolutely. Just for the ease of running a credit card at the gas pump. No, I don’t think I could. What if it came, it would be made conversation came with a $500 allowance per month. A hundred percent You would it. Hundred. Yeah. No, you would too. I could test it out. And they said, okay, you would. It’s only 500 bucks. No way. This is what, but this is what goes through their mind month to get 500. This is what goes through these kids’ mind. Five grand maybe. Oh my gosh. They’re one of billions or millions and billions. Yeah. And And they’re like, who cares? He knows I went to Taco Bell, you know, hunter Biden knows I went here or went there or down to Vegas. I mean, who cares? That’s what they think.
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They don’t, they don’t think my life’s boring. I don’t care. Yeah. But then what happens? Who knows, right? Yeah. They’re using that information like the talkers. Like everybody knows. They all know, but they don’t care. China has everything. They don’t care. I heard something about people, not you in general, Logan, but your, your people gener your people. Yeah. I mean it’s been since I was little that I’ve had Instagram and Snapchat and you guys have been groomed for just everybody knowing everything and being able to track and you don’t even care. It just doesn’t even bother me anymore. That’s my point. Gotti do admit it. Does this bother that? There’s people in China that put rocks in their shoes so they walk different because they can face recognition and they can see your gait and really identify where you are and what you’re doing. Come on. I haven’t heard that. Does that not bother you? That would bother me because like, but, but No, but your generation says who cares how I walk? I don’t care. So they know I have a different gate. Who cares? Yeah. But as soon as you start to get into the face recognition and they know my face on government security cameras, that’s where I start to get a little Do you have TikTok? Yeah, I’ve got TikTok. They know it’s already done. They know your face. Would you ever want to give up TikTok? No, you wouldn’t.
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I’m gonna answer that for you. I think I could give up TikTok. I wasn’t that mad when they were thinking about banning it in the us. You weren’t that mad because you still had it. Yeah, that’s true. And you could, you could switch to something else. Yeah. I mean Instagram and Facebook and Twitter. They got videos advance somewhere else. Yeah, exactly. How about you go into the airport and now they’re recognizing your face. You don’t have show my D. Oh, that’s weird. Waka. Waka. Where’s that? Did it? Oh, I had it happen to me. It’s the quick background check or whatever. What’s it? Instead of like quick ID or whatever, showing a passport and stuff. Yeah. Whoa. They just take a picture. I walked up and they were like, yeah, you’re good. Yeah, exactly. Wow. You got four kids. You live in Santa City, Utah. You sleep on the right side of the bed. You buy a whole lot of monsters. Yo, you need to watch what you’re drinking. We are. You should be concerned if we’re concerned. I mean, it’s a hundred percent the way it’s going, right? Yeah. I know these guys, it can kind of came up because I had a law enforcement buddy said they tracked a vehicle with OnStar and they, you know, so this vehicle gets stolen. We watch it rip up into Utah, pull it over, yada, yada.
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I mean, even if, and I’m like, can that, how can that work if OnStar’s not even, you’re not even an active subscriber or whatever, who’s a hundred percent. So now I’m looking for Carre vehicles. I got a couple. Are they running? All my kids have ated people. Are they in working condition? They’re, yeah. Yeah. As of yesterday. I don’t know. Devin, this, this, I can see you’re already, it’s already kind of gone down a weird road. We should just dive into these question and answers. I think we probably should. Question reader guy. He’s, he definitely moved us on. Why does that bother you? Any of this? Well, you were kind of getting in, I wanna go back to some of this stuff. You, you were kind of getting into the, you were almost there. Investigative, investigative side of things in life a little bit. Yeah. Like I think some of this stuff excites you. It’s interesting. Yeah. Very interesting. Very interesting. Depending on which side of the law you’re on. That’s very true too. But I agree with everyone else. Let’s move on. Question reader guy. Well, I hates the spotlight. Don’t worry, Wyatt. We’re not gonna embarrass you this time. Alright, Pollock. Okay, so what do, so what do we got going here? We basically had a load of questions and even had some responses out there in the big wide world. After the last question and answer.
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I haven’t shared a couple of those responses with you guys, but anyway, about the 200 inches really good or Yeah. Yeah. Really good. The one, the one kid that said I, you know, was wondering why I haven’t Yeah. Performed as well and killing big, you know, anyway, it wasn’t meant that way. Oh, okay. He was super, he was awesome. And, and it is, it did come off that way. So good. You could, it depends on how you read it, right? Yeah. Just like reading text or email. Yeah. It depends on your attitude that day. Yeah. He didn’t mean it that way. He is just, he said it was all in fun and, and it does spur on really good conversation. And the state of the union as far as big milder concerned and kind of brings up a lot of, you know, good conversations. So anyway, it’s not, not offended whatsoever. Just kinda interesting. All right. Okay, here we go. This is a good one. Get started off the hunts are some, some hunts are underway just a little bit, but a lot of ’em get going this weekend. Which is what? Saturday? Today’s Thursday. Yeah, we’re talking like two days. Yeah. Stuff gets real for Utah. They’re already killing in Nevada. Yeah. Yep. They’re killing actually. I mean, I don’t know. I guess it feels like less than average quantity wise, but fairly good quality when one does die. Yeah.
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Is that what you guys would characterize a good boxes is what I’m saying? Yeah. Yeah. Arizona gov tags. Sheep and New Mexico. Yeah. You know, there’s a few things hitting the dirt. All right. Pollock. Okay, so McCade Hatch wants to know post killing, game handling, mainly away from home. If I’m, if I’m on an out-of-state hunt with a buddy and one of us fills our tag on day one, what have you guys done in the past? We’ve primarily used coolers, but I’d like to hear what, what options people use. Awesome podcast things. Yeah, dive in. Who’s first? I’m the same as him. I always use coolers and fill in with ice and yeah, just keep up the time of year and where you’re at really, I guess. Huh? Colorado will be easy. Sometimes it’s later seasons. It’s easier to keep ’em, but I mean, summer antelope seasons, you gotta get ’em cooled down and outta there pretty quick. Yeah. I use coolers too. I pack it with like a row of a bunch of ice on the bottom. Meat, ice meat, ice meat, ice kind of thing. And then open up the drain or, or crack the drain a little bit so it just not bake, it’s just not bathing in water. Yeah. Yeah. That’s, you know what I mean? I always put ’em in the ice in bags full. Oh. So that the water hopefully can’t get out at all. Oh, okay. That makes sense.
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I don’t, I I, mine always just is straight ice and meat and then, yeah, I break the bottom out and then that way you’ve got, you know, it’s just, it’s just mainly stays as ice and then you just replenish it as needed. Chest in’s, little cooler tray a handful of times. Yeah. And that to keep stuff out of the Yeah. The water two inches. And you can keep that cracked and it just keeps rolling it, rolling it through so it doesn’t sit on the meat. But like Colorado third, this happens a lot because you go as groups, so you either take it and get it dealt with processed if you’re close to a processing or leave it in the cooler. And it’s nice ’cause it’s so, it’s cold man. It’s cold freaking freezes every night. But it’s awkward when you’re driving around with a Yeah. Deer in the back cape and a deer, dead deer and all the meat and everything. And, but that’s why I like, I like a camper shell or something like that. A tunnel cover or something along those lines in, in Colorado on some of those hunts. So you, we’ve sometimes, if you look, it depends on where you’re at. But we’ve had, like, sometimes towns will have like a service for that. I remember last year we put a buck in a walk-in cooler for like five bucks a day. Wow. Was there for four days. My brother’s deer.
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And so where would you find something like that? It was on the grocery store wall. We asked the guy. Oh. And he’s like, yeah, just here’s the number. And it worked called cold. It was cold storage, isn’t it? Yeah. Something full of meat. Just little towns like that. Some taxidermist could even just, I have this cold cooler. Might as well. Yeah. Pull five bucks outta this kid. You know what I mean? Yeah. Something like that. Yeah. Because it’s gonna be on no matter what, if you’re up, if you’re up in the mountains, oh, say you’re packed in somewhere or something like that. I’ve, if you notice, you guys have probably seen it, it’s obviously not gonna work in the desert. But if you have to put your meat up somewhere and you don’t have a cooler or whatever, put it, find some timber like in a, in a little bit of a bottom. I notice if there’s some water, like even a wallow or a spring or something like that. If you go on the north side of a hill and find a little wallow or a spring. If, if there’s something that’s close to that, if you hang it up in the trees and, and it’s getting, I mean shoot pengu it was 47 this morning over, it’s getting cold. Like it’s, even though it’s hot during the day, it’s still chilly enough at night. And you can cool meat down fairly easy.
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I mean that’s fridge temperatures getting close too. And it’ll hang a lot cooler on the north side. And some trees and timber, especially over a little bit of a cooler water source or something. You can get a little extra time out of it. Not saying you wanna leave it there for a week, but if you don’t have coolers packed in somewhere or something, that’s something that, that I’ve seen in the past done. So I like it. It does seem like I see less and less like the old days you would, you know, you’d hunt and drive and you’d see deer hanging in camp all over the place. Yeah. I I just feel like I see less of that you guys. Definitely. Yep. You know, I wanna talk about, this is just food for thought. I wanna talk John, about the one of your favorite memories ever, which was my desert sheep hunt in the s client desert. Oh yeah. Okay. So that’s one of my favorite. We’re packed in and, and we kill a sheep, but then, so we kill it and then we spend all night with it. And then by the time you get packed out, you’re another, like two and a half days before we hit the truck, I wanna say roughly been a minute, but you could easily, it was 87, 90 degrees in the middle of the day. It was toward the last half of September out in the escali desert.
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And you don’t have a fridge, you don’t have coolers, you don’t have ice. I was kind of half nervous. A I got this Cape B, I’ve got the meat. I don’t want to be that guy that loses the meat. And, and so what we had done was take emergency blankets with us, extra emergency blankets. So we laid the meat out all night. Yep. On this emergency. And then we packed it up in the emergency blanket, put another emergency blanket around it, put another emergency blanket around it, and then put it in the center of the pack So it wasn’t next to your back sweating and hot. Yeah. And then packed everything around it. Hiked all day the next night. Laid it out. Yeah. Ate it. We, I mean we were eating it and, and anyway, not one bit of it went bad. The cape was fine, the meat was fine and you know, but in the back of your mind, you’re so trained that you lose, you’re gonna lose meat in September. But if you just pay attention a little bit and just doing what we at night, it wasn’t like 40, it wasn’t 47 degrees, so I don’t know it was 65. Yeah. Or whatever. But, but by doing what we did, I don’t know. It worked. Yeah. Right. So you can, I think that’s what you can do. And, and don’t let it get, continue to get hot like you’re saying.
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If you are gonna be in there, you do have to, especially with capes and stuff, if you have like a frozen water bottle or a block of ice or something like that, wrap it up around the middle of it. But if you don’t have that, just take the cape and at least the first night, whatever you do, either stretch it out. I would say get it off the ground if you can hang it. But put like the flesh part of the, the skin together. Yeah. Just so it overlaps each other once. ’cause you don’t want it to dry out either. So just put like the flesh part of the skin, skin to skin together and then hang it into the tree so that it’s got air flowing all the way around it. And then before the sun comes up in the morning, grab it, roll it up, roll and throw it in. Yep. And it’ll maintain some of that cool temperature. So you know, it’s gonna take it a while to get back up to hot again. If it starts at cool and you’ve got it protected a little bit. Yeah. You may have to do that and by that next night you’ve got it rolled out again. Yeah. Flesh to flesh. Let it come back down to temperature. Yep. And so that’s what we did too, on the cake. And it was fine. It was fine. Yeah. Oh, it’s mounted. It’s fine.
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If you have velvet, you’re probably gonna want to, you’re gonna have to find fridge, a freezer, something you’re, you’re gonna have to go home or, you know, go somewhere like Devin’s saying Yeah, pretty quick if it’s velvet. But great thought. Devin, what do you got going? The last velvet book I killed, shout out to John Mogul at Fierce. We, I came off the hill and threw it in his cryogenic freezer for the barrels business. He wasn’t even there for the rifle barrels. Yeah. So does that really, I walked through the shop with this deer head and the people are like, who the freak is this guy? You know? And yeah, it cooled off fast, but it was like, I was worried about it. So those cryogenic freezing, that was really popular. I wanna say like 25 years ago. And it may still be, maybe they still do it, but tell us a little bit about the genic. Freezing. It doesn’t align. Doesn’t align. Well they were even doing it on steel barrels and maybe it wasn’t working, but it’s like it aligns the, the, the makeup of the metal or, or carbon or whatever and allows it to cool better and, and I couldn’t speak to the exact science of it, but yeah, a lot of that carbon, they have to have it frozen all the time. Yeah. So do you feel like they’re still kind of, is that still a thing?
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As far as I know here and there, who knows? Maybe it’s a, you treat ’em, get ’em really cold at least once and it it does something, it does something to ’em with the molecular lever level. Yes. That’s what I’m talking about. The lines, the molecules. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, that was, wish I knew a little more about it and if it even was a thing anymore anyway. It was, it was a thing there for a minute at least it was thought to work. So Josh, since you’ve been involved with some taxidermy, what, how big a problem is? Like having a cape that goes bad or is it Most people are fine. I’ve never had a problem with that. I just wondered is it a big problem as far as does it happen a lot? Like, yeah. Does it happen a lot? It comes in and it’s like this ca is not usable. So sometimes I say, well, especially over in those small towns, they, they’re dragging Maine. Yeah, that’s what I was gonna say. Not as, not as much as it used to. ’cause people don’t even drag Maine anymore. But what do they do? I don’t know. I have my Logan. What do you guys do? Just open the tailgate in the front yard and let people drive past and gaw at it. I don’t know. Throw it up on social. Yeah, that’s right. What’s your theories, Josh?
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What do you, what’s your I ideas? Oh, they’re just too busy eating Cheetos and playing video games to even care. Alright. Alright. So things don’t go bad. Things don’t go bad as often now. Yeah, but you know, it used to be the thing you would literally throw a deer in the truck and drive around and that kind of stuff. I don’t think it happens as much anymore. People are pretty quick. They, a lot of times they get off the mountain if it’s something good they get off the mountain and they’ve probably already been in contact with a taxidermist or something like that. So you don’t see it as much. But I’ve seen it on extended trips when you’re there with somebody else and you’re trying to kill two things and it’s just a matter of you’ve gotta try and keep, a lot of times you’ll see people bring a cape into you and they’re so worried about cutting the hide on the cape that they’re leaving stakes attached to the cape. And that’s gonna be the worst thing. ’cause you could actually take really good care of your cape, but you leave a big chunk of meat on there. There’s always that little bit of meat that sits there right on top. That’s hard to get off. But I mean, I’ve literally carved steaks off of things where I don’t wanna cut that cape cape steak.
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I’d rather have a, you know, you’d rather have a nice straight line cut through the cape. You can sew that up easy. It’s not a big deal. If it’s in the face and stuff that’s different. But on the neck or something like that, on the shoulders, whatever. Like, you don’t need to be that crazy careful. And if you cut it right there, it’s not that big a deal if you’re cutting it from the inside out. But, but I feel like taxidermists are all, all like very critical of us poor guys. Oh yeah. Like we don’t, not like we’ve, it’s not our job. Like we don’t know how to do it. Like you guys, you guys can do it right to the fricking edge of the skin and Perfect. If we cut a line in there, you’d complain If we have a, if we have a mini stake on there, you complain. Well, if, if it’s slightly warm, you can, if there’s, if there’s a piece of grass on it, you would guys would complain. I, there’s a lot of times Why don’t you feel judged? I, I do by the tax service every time. Sometimes all I said is sometimes they can be too clean. All I said don’t leave stinks steak attached. Dive into that a little more. Like what do you mean? Well just, you know, like sometimes it’s easier for them to have a little bit of meat to start on the flesher.
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Yeah. To just get it once. Right Josh like, yeah. Yeah. I been told that he’s already judging what you’re talking about. He’s like, no, what he wants to say is you’re foolish is No, that’s not right. No, I’m not. I’ve, I’ve, I’ve, it is nice ’cause then when you grab a hold of that steak, yes you can have something to hold onto to cut it off. So stakes are nice. But, but, but that guy’s a p os ’cause he doesn’t know what he’s doing. But no, I’m just saying if you leave one there, that’s where it’s gonna slip. You’re gonna have a ball, bald patch and then that’s a big deal. ’cause you can’t patch a bald patch, you know. But that’s what I’m saying, like you can sew a line and cut in a cape, but you can’t sew in. But then if you bring the whole animal because you’ve been judged so many times and you’re like, hey, just, just take it off the way you want it. Then they’ll be like, yeah. Can’t even figure out how to keep an animal. Yeah. Charge. I mean that’s another a hundred dollars bill. Tell me I’m wrong, Deon. Yeah. What? I agree. I’m not a taxidermist so don’t Nope. Don’t haze me. Okay. That’s not a truly accurate statement. Not all taxidermists are created equal either. Oh yeah.
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It’s like I remember bringing a heads to a guy who does European mounts and I mean I got these things cleaned up. They’re caped, the eyes are out, all the nasty flesh. I’m like, this guy’s gonna gimme a discount. You know, like no, I had three or four of ’em and yeah, he’s like, I was like, hey, I got these cleaned up. He’s like, well next time you know it for free if you just leave it all. Yep. Like what do you mean leave it all? He’s like ol. ’cause when they cook ’em, what do you want? Yeah, when you do ’em, it’s easy. Those European mounts, the heat gets trapped under the hide. Yeah. And all that stuff just, it’s actually better breaks and then you pop it up and it just, I would, I would agree with that. Yeah, I didn’t know that. So I was, I killed chief, we were taking him up to the show and I’m like, well you skin it off. But then I boil him out. But I know I didn’t do it right. You know what I mean? Like what’s the right way? What’s the right procedure? But like if you want something that’s a European mount and you’re taking it to somebody who does European mounts, don’t skin it. Yeah, yeah. Just leave a hide on the face. Which is feels so like, oh they’re gonna want, they’re gonna, it feels wrong.
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They’re gonna judge, they’re gonna judge you if you believe Devin Archibald, he’s been around for 30 years, didn’t even take the hide off. You know what I mean? Didn’t even take the hide. I mean who does this could lopped the head off. Who does that? That’s what I thought I could have. I could have had the cape and sold it to the next guy or given it to the next guy is a beautiful double throat pad. Fra. You know what I mean? Have we not heard it all? But but leave the flesh on everything. Like if you have to keep it, leave all the eyes, everything. Yeah. Those are so backwards. What I thought when you go to boil one, if you boil it in with the hide on there, I mean sometimes I’ll maybe cut the ears off, but you just throw the whole head in there. Obviously you just cut it off of the neck, you throw it in there for three hours, you do that and you just go take a knife and you go to cut like right across to the head. It just goes. I just, you could, it looks like grossy. Did you have a video of that? Did you show me a video of that? I think so. I think you did. So how crazy you keeping the nose bones all intact so it looks awesome. You know what I mean? Because you can boil ’em too long.
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Oh yeah. Yeah. You just have to be really careful with them and clean ’em off. Really good pay attention. But no, it, it actually like the meat and everything almost stays stuck to the hide rather than like starting to dry up and get stuck to the bone. It’ll actually kind of stick to the hide more and it all comes off. It actually makes him cleaner. Yeah. That one surprised me. Thought I was doing the guy a huge favor. Yeah, no, totally backwards. And if you’d have done it the opposite way, it’d have been like, I, I appreciate this but you know there’s some ticks on there. We do. I wish we’d had the full cape. This is an old one. Alright, well we’re like 45 minutes into this and we’ve one question done. We got a lot of questions done. One today. We’ve done a couple. We’ve done a couple. We’ll go to the next one. I’m not sure how this one, oh, Dan Ryan asked this one. If you could give one Utah general deer unit arrest from one hunting season year, I’m guessing he means like one year of hunting and had the ability to get that tag the following year. What unit would it be and what weapon? Hmm, what weapon is critical? I’ll go last. Wyatt. There’s a lot to it.
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’cause I mean there’s a lot of general units out there that if you gave ’em a break, they have the potential. I mean they have the buck quality to, to really blow up and be a, I’ll jump in here. Great unit. I always thought that Pavan had one year the genetics on that place and I’d probably hone at Archer muzzle. How about that? But do you think, but but I want to add, do you think one year is enough for Pavan? Probably not all. Not right now. I don’t either. No, probably not. Is is one year enough for anywhere? But that’s a place I’m telling you like back in the day that place was awesome and even, but you think about Pine Valley, even a rumor buck or two now. Like you know, if they slipped through, the genetics are showing themselves a little bit. Yeah, there’s big deer. What were you gonna say? I was just gonna say, you know, same thing with Pine Valley. When it was a limited entry unit, it was producing great deer. So have the bumblebee, the browse. Yeah. The brows and Buble bee units. But that side was lower densities, just lower, lower densities. But but you’re right. I think, I think, I think Pine Valley has the most incredible genetics and potential.
00:26:16:01 –> 00:27:26:13
We’ve se we’ve seen a a ton of great bucks that have come off there even after it’s been hunted hard, you know, over the course of time. I wouldn’t say it’s in a great spot at the moment, but man it’s got, I mean I would rather see Book Cliffs be general and Pine Valley be limited entry except for then we can’t hunt Pine Valley that often. And so that’s the downside to it. But it’d be kind of fun to see what the potential is. You know what I mean? Yeah, I would agree. I think it’d rival the ponds. Yeah. Easily. And then, but then Zion, Devin, you and you and I would, that’s probably the worst unit. I that’s what I was gonna say. I don’t think it’s applicable. Well I wouldn’t, well I just feel about that place either. Yeah. Or Dutton would be terrible. Balder, balder Dutton would be a good one. Here’s the thing, the the Zion has so much private, it essentially already has that in my opinion. Yeah, yeah. And those and so you’re seeing it Max and it’s a gauntlet and most of them don’t make it. Yeah. That’s just a fact. And so I don’t think that it would benefit. Yeah. Okay. Well it would help. It would definitely help One year. One year would help. Taking one year off helps everything for sure. Right. But but that’s not the unit you would choose? I don’t think so. Yeah.
00:27:27:01 –> 00:28:42:13
Okay. So what, what unit would you choose? I already said my answer. What’d you say? I forgot Pav. Oh, Pavon. Yeah. You did? No, but then we had to go back to, it needed a couple of years. I think it’s Cassius turn. He’s been quiet. I’ll go with the, the cash unit up north. No, I think, like you guys said, probably like Pine Valley would be a year’s gonna help anywhere. And Pine Valley has the best genetics I think outta the stuff we hunt. Okay. Alright. So Pengu are, are you, what do you think the one year off would do for Pengu if anything? It, it’d help those two year olds be three year olds. So that’d be cool. That’s the way I feel about That’s true. Even I really feel that way about all these general, that’s what I mean. Like right now, one year’s probably nodded off if, if we had three or four years in a row. But, but in two or three years. And if they, which again, they’re trying to do everything they can to moderate quality and and provide tags for everyone and it and the tags for everyone is, is legitimate. And I wish that could happen. It just doesn’t feel like it’s in the cards. Maintain proper management. But anyway, with that said, I think everything has a lot of young bucks right now. Yeah, yeah. Doesn’t it feel that way? Oh yeah.
00:28:42:28 –> 00:29:48:21
And like Devon said, if you just more bucks to make it through that gauntlet that Yeah, that’s what I wasn’t thinking about. If, if no deer died on those rifle hunts, it would help a ton. Yeah. It would help a ton. It would help a ton. Everybody would shoot twice the better deer they would’ve the next year. And the only thing it’s really helping per se would be just bucks getting one more year of age on one more year. Yeah. It would make a big difference. So even on the Boulder, which has the best statistics on paper Oh yeah. Of any of the generals. Yeah. We haven’t even talked about that. I we should probably talk about that. Go ahead. Dive in. No, just how it’s the best. And I’ll probably hunt there over anywhere. So that’s all being facetious, not not true Right. But, but just does have it on paper. And so anyway, even some of these units in Colorado, I feel like it’s the same. It’d give them a year and it would help immensely. You know what if we did something like that and just did that, rotated the year off, would that be kind of fun? That’d be kind of cool. And then anybody that got dedicated would just be extended a year. Yeah. Yep. And so, and then just do it. Just do it. And Cash would take their turn, whatever. Yeah. Pavan would take their turn.
00:29:48:26 –> 00:31:08:29
Or like a rotation. Yeah. Just like rotate it. Even if you did it like by region too, you’d split it into three regions and then you do, but then you know what Game and Fish Game and fish would take into account that that many bucks lived. Oh yeah. And put it back into the formula. Yep. And issue that many more tags. Lots of death lot. So yeah. That’s not gonna work. Alright. Oh wait, we didn’t talk about the season. What season archery would you choose? Archery or earlier seasons. Okay. Yep. Sure. I like it. Okay. Sounds good. We’re good. Yeah. Oh, let’s move right the heck along. Okay. Deal. Deal. Stein says it’s kind of going along with that. Do you see bigger deer in dry years or wet years and some studies show deer get bigger in dry years. Well, okay, so the, so that would be, that’s a pretty general statement. Are we talking like Colorado high country, Wyoming high country? Or are we talking about these desert units that are obviously sensitive to dry years and we’ve seen a huge, a decrease in quality on dry years in, in many areas near us, Nevada, Utah, Arizona, things like that. Yeah. I would tend to say, you know, elk are doing better on drier years. Yeah. And deer better on wetter years. Yeah, for sure. I would say overall you, you gotta have moisture for deer.
00:31:09:07 –> 00:32:19:19
’cause we’ve, we’ve seen it you when you went, just think about 20 17, 20 18, 20 19 in Utah for deer, especially like on a unit like the gon it was 2017 was one of the best years that it ever had. 2018 was about the worst. And then 2019 was about was better than 17. Well, and it was only one year apart. And it was strictly, but there were a similar effect to like what we were talking about. There were bucks that got passed in 2018 because they weren’t as big. There were bucks that went from, now they’re a year older from one nineties to one seventies and then now they’re two tens, you know? Yeah. And there’s more of them. So almost not recognizable. Yes. When you have that decrease unless you’re on it and you’re watching the specific buck and has a nick in the air, whatever. Or you just know what you’re looking at. Yeah. And ’cause you love him and you’re following him and then you realize, you know, what he decreased to and then what he gained to. But we remember when we overlaid those maps and we had the drought monitor type maps and we went year to year. We went the moisture content received from like January one to April one or whatever. And then we overlaid that with our perception of what the years, good years and the bad years were. And it was like a direct correlation.
00:32:19:28 –> 00:33:36:12
Wet years produced the biggest bucks, no question about it. I mean, year after year, 2011 was amazing in, in Nevada. And we went, we, we went back like 15 or 20 years and just remembered the good years in our minds. 2005 was really good in Nevada. 2002 was a terrible drought. 96 was a terrible drought. Like there’s things that stick out in your mind and it was like a perfect correlation with, for, for Mulder. But like Wyatt’s saying, better years for the very top end bulls. Now you can have great bulls on wet years. Like you’ll still have great bulls on wet years. But like Utah and Nevada especially, it seems like those drier gears and I don’t know, wind is too dry. Yeah. I think there’s a limit on that too. There could be a limit on, on, I think it’s more as the tail end of the winter, if the winter really drags out than bulls, they start behind suffer. Yeah. If it’s, you know, kind of a quick mild winter and Yeah. Right into spring kind of deal. They, they do a lot better. I always thought too about the pound, like the minerals per pound of feed if you’re eating waterlogged grass compared to like, and that’s what they thought about mul deer too is per bitter brush leaf, what was the content, you know? But if you have no net growth, you have no net growth.
00:33:36:20 –> 00:34:38:28
And that’s what happens on drought years, you know? Yeah. So I think it’s more works on elk than, than deer. I agree. But then the Arizona guys right now are just laughing saying, are you guys stupid? Wet years produce big bulls because when you, when you get down in that real desert, that’s what I was gonna say, New Mexico guys, they’re, they’re saying the same thing. It’s almost the opposite because I’d say here in Utah, most of our bulls or most of our units have like a mountain component to ’em. To where Yes. To where even on a dry year there’s green grass Yes. And enough green grass that probably some of those mineral contents and some of that stuff comes into play higher because maybe there’s grass isn’t two feet tall, but it’s still green grass and it’s still good in there form ’em, they can get it on it sooner. ’cause they’re growing earlier and there’s, because there was snow there, so there’s still moisture in the ground to make that grass, that kind of thing. Whereas in Arizona there’s, if there’s no snow there, there’s no moisture at all. So there’s no rain or, or things like that. You have, you have poor quality. Yeah. And so Arizona’s different, like it needs water, New Mexico needs water and then we’re getting to right here, close to home. Yeah. That’s where we’re seeing a little bit of a difference. Yep. What’d you guys say? Yeah. Yep.
00:34:39:07 –> 00:35:54:19
I’d say the only thing with deer, there could be some places where there’s desert deer that are just desert deer and they, I don’t know how, but sometimes they’re just big no matter the year they just learned to survive. I, chief chief was killed on a really dry ear. Yeah. And, and but it, so in that particular location there’s not a lot of bitter brush and he, they eat totally different feed. Yeah. And it’s just different. Yep. I mean you’re in sand, sand, sand. It’s just totally different. So, so there are some exceptions. You know, even, you know, one of the heritage tags in Nevada killed an absolute giant not very long ago, a few years ago on a, on kind of a drier year. And so, you know, there’s, there’s, depending on the location where they’re generally summering and, and on a riparian area or whatever, we’ve always said there’s could be an adjustment. There’s exceptions for one draw has everything it needs even in a dry year. Well, and we’re even like in a dry year, there’s certain units in Nevada that get those rainstorms when there is a rainstorm, 2 31 kind of gets it. Whereas 24 could totally, totally miss 24 for months on end. You know what I mean? And I think we see that here in Utah too. There’s some places that are gonna get the, if there is rain that happens, it does happen in these locations on average. Yep.
00:35:54:25 –> 00:37:04:00
More so than others. It would be interesting to see specifically which studies he’s talking about. I I’ve never seen one. I haven’t, I haven’t. That says that, you know, drier years produce bigger animals, but yeah, I haven’t heard of that, that one either. But there’s, I don’t obviously know every study that’s out there. So Yeah. And you can overlay some Ben Crockett records and a few things like that. But then there’s always just variables about people who, who enters them and, and all of these things. But I I’m sure there’s some correlations that can be drawn on. Yeah. Okay. All right. So with that Travis cash Dean asks, do you think 2 41 to 2 45, I’m assuming he’s talking about Nevada will ever have a year like 2019 again. Hmm. What was 2019 like over there? Oh, it, I mean it’s exceptional, but it wasn’t mul in not just 24. Yeah. It wasn’t a large part of the state. And, and it also felt like there was good numbers. Like it was kind of, it feels there’s, they’re killing a few good bucks this year, but it feels like the populations are just man, just really low. Not just, and, and that’s got low populations anyway.
00:37:04:02 –> 00:38:23:10
But statewide it feels that way, you know, but 2019 was my last big deal we talked about on the last podcast and it was down by Vegas in an, in a unit that’s not known to produce and nor do I even care if everybody goes there. I don’t know, it’s not that kind of unit. It doesn’t produce on a regular basis the quality that 24 does or 23 or 13 or some of these other areas that have been known over the years. You know what I mean? Yeah. Does that make sense? And so, yeah, I do think there’s, I do think 24 is limited in tags we should maybe address, you know, when you have a, a commercialization component, there’s a lot of teams and a lot of emphasis put in 24 to people draw. They feel like it’s a once in a lifetime tag, especially non-resident side landowner tags, things like that. And then so they, they’re, they’re putting real effort and energy and you know, it kind of goes back to the general on why I think sometimes the general can be overlooked because you don’t treat it like a once lifetime tag. ’cause you can get it somewhat regular here in Utah. And so if you can get it regular, do you treat it like a once lifetime, would you go and hire outfitters and, and really put time and energy and money behind that tag.
00:38:23:26 –> 00:39:35:25
But in Nevada, on those tags, yeah, you’re gonna put, you’re gonna put real energy and time and money behind a, a special tag like that. And so then they, they they, these, these guys are good and they find the best each and every year, you know, whereas 20 years ago there was a lot of escapement, you know, with the lack of trail cams and things like that. There was just a lot of escapement. You guys wanna address that a little bit on what your thoughts are? I think you nailed it. It’s a big factor. You even see that rotate through some units. Like in Utah, limited entry deer, the place will be really hot then it kind of fizzles out. People go other places this gets forgotten and it then it gets re ref re what do you call it? Revitalized a new assignment behind it. It’s a factor. And then people go in, clean ’em out again. Now we’ve got another four year building process. Right. Maybe what, what do you think? I, I would agree you follow deer as much as anybody I know. No, I think you’re on the right track. I mean we’re also dealing with the lowest deer numbers we’ve ever dealt with too. So the, the crop of mature and, and that age class at bucks that are big or are limited right now, very limited. He’s asking about 24 specifically.
00:39:35:25 –> 00:40:51:05
You realize 24 has a lot of country that just doesn’t get hunted and pressure to, it’s interesting. It’s an interesting unit. There’s a lot that’s accessible and that’s where a lot of the big deer have been killed in some of the easiest areas. But there’s a, there’s wilderness and aggressive, really aggressive Yeah. A country in there miles of it, like tens, twenties, thirties, miles of it in bull in several of the units subunits within 24. And so even 24 you could, you could argue, you know, there’s deer d of old age that aren’t getting trail camped that aren’t getting commercially hunted. And so the, I always like those kind of units that you feel like something dy of old age and not everybody knows about this buck, but, but there’s a lot of blank space on that unit. Yeah. Where you’re not gonna find life. Okay. So dive into that a little bit. I’m just saying there’s a lot of, a lot of empty holes out there too. So you might go through a lot of country, a lot of desert country before you do turn up, you know, a canyon or a draw or, or something that is holding mule deer and how and how much time and energy do you have. Yeah, exactly. Whyt bulls, lots of days. Draw draws area 24 in Nevada, you’re gonna have to put lots of days into it. You’re gonna buy an extra pair of boots or two.
00:40:51:06 –> 00:42:03:05
Yeah. You’re gonna phone a friend lots of bottles of water. Yeah. So when we say that there’s, you know, anyway, we, when we talk about a lot of blank space, I think that goes hand in hand with, there’s a lot of people that ha that have the feeling of if I go deeper and farther, it’s gonna get better and better. And, and that may be the case, but in large part, in a lot of times the best bucks are found right next to a road or a newburn or whatever. Right. You find that a lot. A lot of times they like to be where life is easy too. They’ve got their feed, they’ve got their water. Don’t have to venture too far to, to do either. All right. Josh, not just reading the questions. What’s your chime in on on this subject a little bit? Like what’s your thoughts? Oh, I think, I think it would be possible. I, I feel like it, it could have that year again especially four or five wet years in a row. Yes. Yeah. It’s gonna take some time though. It’s gonna take, but you get some wet years in a row, all of a sudden it’s a new game. Yep. We need to have yeah. Four or five years of fawns hitting the ground and so that more bucks are making it to a more mature age.
00:42:03:05 –> 00:43:12:09
And that can happen in Nevada especially over there and in that country. Like Wyatt’s talking like you’re saying, I mean there’s just stuff, I remember when I went to Nevada with Devon a couple years ago, we were driving and it was just, I dunno that state in general, you’re like, my gosh, you know the amount of country that a lot of it’s just, I know we just know guys aren’t hitting that hard ’cause it’s just so big. Whereas in Utah, if there’s a buck or there’s a bull, people know, but there’s not, there’s not much getting by. You know, there’s something that’ll get killed in Nevada and, and guys will spend days trying to, trying to figure out what and where, how, why, when, all that stuff in Utah, everybody already knew the name of that thing, you know, so Yeah. So they got their own name and they named it first. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it’s just, it’s just different that way. But it’s gonna, it, it’s gonna take some time with the super low tag numbers over there. That could be one of the places that it does come back quicker than others. Yes. So that’s what I feel like with Nevada, their management strategy would being 30 to 35 bucks per hundred dose depending on the unit. And that’s pretty much a statewide strategy. Kudos to them. Like they, they want the quality even in their units that are their opportunity units. Yes.
00:43:12:17 –> 00:44:20:18
They’re slashed. Yeah. I mean, yeah. And, and even you Devin, like you’ve talked, you know a lot about Nevada and spent a lot of time over there over the years and we’ve, both of us have been, and all of us here at the table actually have been like, man, I wish they would cut tags or they’re given too many tags. But it’s ’cause we’re really cri we’re hypercritical of it ’cause we know what it could be. You know what I mean? Or what it has been or what it has been. But generally speaking, their management strategies kill everybody else. It’s like I’m proud of them in large part. They do something, they listen, they do something. Yeah. But the locals are high percent. Yeah. You’re never gonna make anyone No. Right. Happy everyone happy. It doesn’t matter what you’re doing. But yeah, I think they do a good job. I do think there, there’s a lot of PIW tags for the residents. Okay. So we get three as non-residents and that allows you to hunt any open season in the state. And when you have a couple of great units that continually produce, that’s where the people gravitate to. You get 20 something resident tags on top of X amount of the draw tags on top of the youth on top of this. And then where do you think they’re gonna go? They’re going to where it’s, yeah. I mean they are right.
00:44:20:23 –> 00:45:28:19
And so you end up with that much more pressure and I, I do think there’s, I mean we get three so that’s, that’s awesome. But I just feel like, you know, I feel like that’s a lot of resident tax. I just feel like that still nothing. I think that’s too many. Nothing. Nothing compared to the late muzzle loader hunts on generals in Utah though. Yeah. That takes off the bucks that did make it that are mature and big and Yeah. When they initially started that, and Josh you can talk to this too, and I agree with you Devin as well. Like when they initially started it was to just give a real finite few guys a special opportunity. But it’s on our general then those bucks, they did something to make it man know. I mean your, your heart goes out to ’em. It’s like, like you beat the massive, how did you make it? You beat, you beat 10,000 Gomer piles all of us. And, and there you are in the rut and you get smashed with a muzzle or Right. And think about the timing of when those hunts came about too. Yes. There was, even on general season units, they could handle it extra. There was a few extra of those kind of bucks to go around. Well, a lot. I mean you would burn your points on ’em. Yes. Oh you, you’d burn your, A lot of people did they killed giants.
00:45:28:22 –> 00:46:44:01
Yes. And then times change. Yes. And those tags stay, if not even be jacked. Oh, they’re doubled from what they first were. But anyways, yeah, that’s same kind of thing. Like you kind of, I don’t know. It’s hard. I know. I mean you want, it’s cool, it’s cool. I love the SKUs we call ’em SKUs, all the different hunts to apply for. And in Utah, I mean you, you got one choice and then they go to the next guy and you know, on the, on the limited entries. And so I like the SKUs ’cause it’s spreading us all out a little bit. And one year we’re doing one thing and one the next year we’re doing something different. But, but anyway, those extra skews on the generals are sensitive. Right? Oh yeah. Especially on, on tough years for sure. So long story short, give us some water. Nevada’s gonna come back faster than anything else. I like what Wyatt said with the low tag numbers you can, you can make a change really fast. Also, there’s a lot of inaccessible country, less accessible, whatever that require more elbow grease and worn out boots and whatnot to really, to really access It kind of gives you a few in the peripheral and that don’t get seen every day. But, but it’s pretty awesome. You can see bucks go grow 40, 50 inches in those kind of units with a little bit of age.
00:46:44:03 –> 00:47:58:03
And like we’re saying drought years actually can save bucks because people are passing ’em up and all of a sudden we could go back into all these genetic, the genetic side of things of seeing these three point frame bucks actually be absolute giant. Maybe even record book type, but typicals on a wet year. Right. And so the effectiveness of the management hunts could be questioned on that ki when we have these drought years. Yeah. It’s a, it’s a similar effect as, as far as that goes on those years leftover bucks and getting, getting killed. Okay. I, I think sometimes like listening to the, the conversations we talk about, oh, how difficult it is, how it’s, it’s down, it used to be better than, like Logan and I were talking, that’s why if, if about TikTok or what were guys No. If you, if you haven’t been in the game forever or you’re a new hunter Yeah. Like a, a minority of people who listen to our podcaster in Utah. Yeah. And, and sometimes, you know, if you’re from back east or, or something like that, trying to get into it, it’s hard because you just hear the negativity. But that’s why it’s important to apply in multiple states, to build your points portfolio. Yeah. To try to draw in as many states as you can and spread that out.
00:47:58:03 –> 00:49:06:01
You’re not going to, you know, draw in Nevada every one year, every three years Might be every 10, 15, 20 Yeah. Kind of thing. But if, if you’re not playing the game or you don’t know, you know what that game is, that’s where we can help you. We can help you start to build that portfolio. Oh yeah. A hundred percent. And so, and I think we’re hypersensitive to some of this stuff a little bit, but we’re also playing the devil’s advocate. So we’ll say one thing and then we counteract our own statements with Yeah. But, but, and then you add this and so we’re, there’s 14 or 15 variables we’ve just talked about. And at the end of the day, we’re like, yeah, it’ll come back. That’s a, we we could have answered it really simply. Upfront. Yeah. Yeah. It’ll come back. But it took me a minute to wrap around my real thoughts about it. ’cause then you’re adding in all of these unique variables that make a difference on quality. The PIW tags during the drought years, the, the extra tags on, on the late muzzles in Utah. And then like, Josh had a great point. Those were instigated when we could handle ’em, then they never go away. They never get curtailed. You know what I mean? And so, anyway, and even though we’re talking sometimes doom and gloom, none of us are applying for points only. We’re still trying.
00:49:06:04 –> 00:50:19:07
I’m excited to hunt, trying to drop those. Why it’s ecstatic all the time. Apply, apply, apply. But I’m excited to hunt. So, yes. I think there’s a great point, John. Yeah. We’re, we’re hypersensitive. We want to see the biggest stuff ever to walk, roam the face of the earth. And then, you know, you get frustrated. But it’s, but really it’s just ’cause we care. I’m excited to go. I’m, I’m trying to get tags in all the seasons in Colorado for my kids, you know, wife, whatever. Because I wanna be in Colorado, but Colorado’s never been worse. No. But I can’t wait to get there. Yes. I wanna hunt in second, third, fourth. I want one of you guys to get a muzzle tag. Not me. We got Bronson to do it one year. He did. Well. Smashed a good luck. You guys should follow suit. Maybe do archery, Devin. Not, not this year. And so anyway, that’s, I think that’s a great point. It’s a valid point. Like, you’re not gonna, we’re never gonna quit applying. We’re never gonna quit. Give up hope. Yeah. And you do see major Tu fluctuations in quality even with all the technology. Even with all the commercialization and the pressure. And we’re part of the commercialization. We’re, we’re part of that. Right. And when it comes back and it’s really, really good. Nobody’s standing from the root tops yelling. Two 40 one’s legit.
00:50:19:17 –> 00:51:46:29
No, everybody’s like, I mean, you guys don’t even know. Like, there’s giant, it’s everywhere. Nobody says a word. No. What they say is, people should keep that in mind. No, what they say, don’t say anything. Apply. Apply. Like you’ve never applied before. Yeah. And it could be anywhere. Yeah, it’s everywhere. Geez. That’s a weird, I don’t know. It’s just an alarm saying, I need to do something and engage. Take your meds. No, no. I, I do get wound up afternoon pills. Okay. So for the record, I don’t take meds. Maybe an aspirin once in a while. Not a tweaker. Not a tweaker. All right. So yeah, Devin, I think that’s a great point. When we’re, and we’ve seen major fluctuations and all of a sudden the people that are down in the mouth about it, us and our friends, I won’t hear anything from our friends when it’s really good, you know, and they would choose some of these generals over, say a Henry’s or whatever, on the really good years, another 2019 or another, whatever Josh is talking about 20 17, 20 16 in Nevada was off the charts. Alright. All right. Josh, when you’re done texting or whatever you’re doing there, we’ll let you read another question. Sorry. I, I’m working as Logan calls it. I’m the one that texted him. Exactly. I was telling him, you guys are doing exactly what Logan’s generation does. I was working, they text each other at the same table.
00:51:47:02 –> 00:52:43:10
At the table. That’s kind of awkward a little bit. What? I didn’t, I now would like to see your phone read it out loud. I didn’t wanna blow in here and say, Hey, only do two more questions. But is that what you’re saying? Yeah, that’s what I say. You guys don’t get to choose everything in life. No. I don’t know. I told him we’re not going over two hours again, you know, every week. Well, we’re only at 54 minutes. Well, we, last time we were an hour in. Before we answer, we even read a question. Yeah. Didn’t we, Jana was she got done with it. And she’s like, really? I don’t know that I learned a thing. I’m like, she’s knowledgeable. That’s just i’s like, Jan. Not every like you’re knowledgeable. No, I do. My daughter was, she didn’t say that, but she does. I think she’s, she lives with the banter. Yes. She hears it every day. She’s just like, why are you guys still talking about dryer vents or whatever it is? Why are you the way that you are? What? I don’t know. But you chose it. Yeah, exactly. I want you chose it out of all the other dudes out there. I saw one on there about trucks. Yeah.
00:52:43:10 –> 00:53:54:09
There’s a couple, Jason, about the last podcast, I do have to say my daughter was sitting on my couch working and you know, on her laptop and she’s laughing and I’m like, what are you laughing at? And she’s like, I’m listening to your podcast though. What part did she like? Do you remember? There were several parts. Yeah. We got a, we got a lot of comments on Josh’s dating rant. Yeah. I got like four dms in come Epic account for that on really all chicks. All of ’em. I hundred percent. I’d like to say that. Four out of four took my side on that. Yeah. And they were all tens. Yeah. That. Let’s talk about dating some more, Josh. Anyway, go ahead. They’re all going glassing together. What about Wyatt? Wyatt had some, he had family reach out to him. The last call. I saw these questions here about trucks and I was wondering if cash could tell us which one would hold up to a cattle guard. Oh, choice of trucks. Geez. I mean, cash. Cash. You have a vehicle that’s running perfectly, right. It runs just fine. And in Mexico, that thing would do another 300,000. Oh yeah. Absolutely. So it held up, it held up great. I think I didn’t, I mean, ID were you dented some metal? Were you, now you only, you know how hard you hit.
00:53:54:11 –> 00:55:04:24
Were you impressed with how it weathered smashing into the side of a cattle guard? I actually am. Give us this story story actually. Oh, oh, okay. Every embarrassing moment I’ve ever had has been talked about on, on the podcast. Every mistake, every accident. I’d say two or three times. Yeah. So let’s hear it. So there I was, no, I was going out scouting and geez just came over the hill and on the wrong side of the fence, there was a little black calf standing right in the middle of the road, about 10 yards in front of the cattle guard. And the headlights hit it. And it was either, it was a quick decision. It was either hit the calf, smash ’em in the grill. I would say run the risk, risk of hitting the calf. ’cause a lot of times it go straight for the fence that, well, I didn’t move hit the cattle. Any the you are or did you decide being the cattleman? I wa I am. I did not hit the calf. I said that is more valuable than a bumper. And so, okay. What about half the truck? Well, it might have not have ended up that ba that way, but No, it was either hit the calf or pop a gate open. And I was like, you know what, I’ve passed this gate a hundred times and I know it’s just tied with twine so it’ll pop open.
00:55:04:27 –> 00:56:10:09
And when it did, the post that was holding it up was rotted off at the bottom. So it just let the top of the cattle guard hit the side of my truck and run down the side. So a couple bumps and bruises and nothing still runs, runs fine. Well, we’re talking about an entire half of the truck needs to be replaced. Okay. So I thought it was total. The bumper, the hood, the front quarter panel, the door, the rear quarter panel, the mirror, all the mirror and every, the mirror is back on the cab right there too. So cab. And when he turns down the road, it looks like he’s going left, but he’s going straight. That’s the craziest thing that resembles a bent frame. Okay. I’m just kidding. That is farfetched. That is farfetched. And I wanna say, before this happened, what was the truck worth? Just gimme a rough figure truck was probably, I have, I have been offered 27,000 for that truck. Come on. I have. Okay. So that guy guy, that guy was high. Tell me again. He was high. It’s probably legitimately worth 21 grand. 2021. Okay. All right. Maybe. And what was the bid to fix it? Oh, I don’t, so when I said half the value of the truck, was that right? You’re riding in the ballpark. But I will say on that estimate, it is pretty extensive.
00:56:10:09 –> 00:57:09:13
Like there’s stuff that’s on the opposite side that didn’t get touched that they’re saying needs to be replaced. I’m like, no, that’s, that’s not right. No, I would say so that happened last time. Yeah. I was like, that’s the other No, no, there’s, I mean, they quoted two mirrors instead of just one. And I love how wt has been silent this whole time. Oh yeah. He, he gets the spotlight off him and then he goes silent. Oh yeah. So I might to tell his story. It really isn’t as bad as i as it sounds though. ’cause I, I went through it yesterday and like my hood, I formed a hood back and it, you can’t even hardly tell you throw some paint on it and it’s all good. So really, like really I’m the disagree. Ignore the drywall screws holding the mirror back on. They’re not, are they dry wall or are they wood screws? Hood wood screws. It’s not. Okay. You haven’t looked at it since I formed back. Thought today when we walked in from lunch and I just, no, I felt bad for you once again. No. And I looked at the hood. Yes. There’s paint like that buck guard thing snapped and there’s a big old dent. Well, what about the side door is like, got a hood scoop on it.
00:57:09:22 –> 00:58:12:04
It comes out and it’s, it, it’s not, it’s when it rains, when he drives through a rainstorm, it’s got a hood scoop. It’s sticking out the side. It’s gonna be a problem. It’s gonna be a problem. Don’t worry. It’s gonna get fixed and I’m paying my deductible. It’s fine. So all in all, do you recommend that as a hunting truck? Oh yeah. What is it? Tell everyone what it’s, it’s a Chevy Colorado 2017 diesel. You a great fuel mileage. I, it cost me way less than I had a truck would. Me too. So yeah, it’s great. I love that little truck though. C two Chevy Colorado. I’m a fan. Wyatt, while we’re talking about trucks, what are you a fan of there? Question says, what’s the best truck you’ve owned and or want to buy for scouting slash hunt? Geez, this is the best truck I’ve owned. The one I’m driving. I was gonna say that’s every other truck for you. I have a lot of good ones sells. That’s the best rifle I have. The one I sold John Truck I own. Okay. That’s latest one that I sold. John is I’ve sold him a lot of them. John, I’ve never steered you wrong. No, no. It’s, it’s been awesome. But the latest truck, 10 miles a gallon is not as good as cash is getting, but Well, you put on bigger tires, dude. Put on bigger tires. You’re like 30 fives on a Gasser.
00:58:12:08 –> 00:59:23:03
It didn’t change it much. It’s, come on. Yeah, John. So it’s a Dodge power wagon and that’s the one truck I regret selling. I’ve got about 10 miles to go on it no matter what. It’s just, that’s what it is. Huh? I was getting 13. I don’t know the problem. Yeah, you, you gained a tire size. How about you had to stop and fill up and Beaver pulling that trailer to the expo? Yeah, already. Okay. That wasn’t 10 miles a gallon. That, that I was down at like six. I remember I called him my three or four times. Like where you at John? Just getting gas. You just got gas. It’s been an hour, but that you’re, you’re driving a full size diesel and they are no joke. They’re getting 11 to 12 miles a gallon with a trailer. Yeah, yeah. Right. Is that what you roughly get? Yeah. 11 to 13, whatever. Pulling a trailer. Yeah. And it’s a no joke difference between that and six. Yeah. Yeah. But, but anyway, scouting wise, that’s great. My Chevy, Colorado, zero two diesel. I mean, I’ve got a ton of miles. 90,000 hard ones and it’s, man, I love it. Devin, we’ve talked about this before. You’re over it? No. The truck. Yes. My favorite one. Yes. It was my old O2. Oh yeah. The re I have the, the T 100 was legit. I love that truck. Yeah.
00:59:23:03 –> 01:00:38:05
But the oh two I had for so long, but, and now you’re, you’re he’s back. Yeah. I wanna say, what do you, what does he call it? Bonding. He’s bonding with the new, it takes time. It’s the oh six. Is it an oh six? Oh five. Oh five? Have you bonded? It’s blue. Yeah. As you say bright red. It’s that bright red, tundra blue, blue and red. Yes. Yeah. It’s pretty unique. Like you can identify it. Okay. Hold on. Don’t got a big shell on it. What happened with, okay. It doesn’t match unfortunately. But it’s a good truck. I haven’t really tested it out. I’ve tested it, but I don’t know. Just takes time. Yeah. Well the relationship, why Wyatt can’t get rid of the same kind of thing. He’s got the old tundra and the new tundra and he just likes the tundra. Yeah. They’ve been good. But he loves Alaska so it matches. Can’t get him outta him. Not that tundra. I don’t necessarily love that tundra. You don’t the Alaska tundra. It’s the one place you want to go back and the whole place is full of tundra. Yeah, I know. But I don’t like walking on that tundra. Yeah. And that’s miserable. It is miserable. So what’s your favorite tactic of hunting? Sitting in a river bottom and waiting for a moose to walk by. And Devin, how did you feel after the second, third, fourth day? Let’s not go here.
01:00:38:28 –> 01:02:03:17
I know what you’re getting at. We went over this at lunch. I was mentally unstable. Yes. I’m not in denial. I lost. Josh is about to learn and so, so Wyatt kills a bull. And then so Wyatt, he could care less. Why? Granola making fun of me the whole time. You better put your boots on. Are you gonna get serious? All the while they’re watching for a bull to come by. And then after what, 5, 6, 8 hours? 10 hours? Two days. Three days. You’re finally just saying I’m a what? Diagnosed me with time blindness. So I couldn’t tell you it was seven days. And then finally you’re just like, I am getting out of here. We are doing something different. Find yourself two miles down the river looking at the same type of country you just left. Yeah. It’s all the same. Just a little, little less scent maybe. But then we kill the moose Right From camp where all the scent was. Yeah. You just knowing what I know now, I’m just gonna sit back and enjoy myself. Okay. It’s on the podcast and it’s in writing. Yeah. He is not moving. Josh, I’m gonna, oh, I’m gonna move around. I guarantee I’m gonna sit at camp with my boots unlaced because it worked before. I will, I will walk around. Did you kill your moose? Both Moose cro or I had my boots on or boots. Unlaced. They were laced up.
01:02:04:02 –> 01:03:19:00
What the, the wolf was half laced. I had my crocs on, but then I put my boots in red. He put his boots on pretty fast when the was no joke. It was one of the coolest things I ever did. Do you think they were laced when he killed his bull moose? I halfway maybe they, they were probably laced. But the first moose that came out that day that he passed, they were not laced. We weren’t serious. They might not even gone. Been a gone been. It had only been a week or it had been a weekend. You were giving up. We a creature besides each other. There was that one porcupine. Oh yeah. I filmed for 18 minutes. Strolled by as he straddled the bushes by our tent. He was a cool old guy. It was the most exciting thing to happen. Any normal person would’ve had mental issues I think. And he can’t wait to go back. I can’t wait. I love it, Josh. Moving on. Pretty exciting. Wyatt. Are you gonna take a pistol or we decided I’m excited. Maybe go with a vote. ’cause they kind of want you to take one. If they saw me shoot one, they wouldn’t want me to take one. Josh take belt that you can use it as tourniquet. Actually, did you think about that? I discussed that with Haley. Did you? Yes. That very thing.
01:03:19:12 –> 01:04:29:15
When to tourniquet and when not because when you, if you do a proper tourniquet, you’re losing that limb. Yeah. So when do you tourniquet? We probably up there for sure. When do you tourniquet and wind? What are you guys talking about getting shot or like cutting ourselves? Both. Okay. Okay. Neither anything bad that happens. I mean, dangerous place, dangerous people. Dev and mentally unstable people with guns and firearms. Devon’s gonna cut his hand and Josh is just gonna pull a tourniquet out. Sorry, you’re losing the hand buddy. You could, I mean, say thanks things acts like I got mental problems. I challenge anyone to sit in a chair and stare at a wall of pine trees for nobody. Talked about Wyatt a large amount of time. Nobody’s talked about Wyatt having these issues. He was fine. That’s my point. You were not. He is mentally strong. But he had also killed. Yeah. That helps a guy. There was no stress because his point was not just killed but killed. A giant freaking giant. And so then his point is, I’ll go where you want me to go, David? Where do you want me to go? Yeah. Tell me what to do. I said, we’ll sit here two hours later. We’re walking four miles that way. Why? Because David sick of it. I’ve been known for this. He was very patient. There’s not many people that could have done that.
01:04:31:20 –> 01:05:32:22
The one thing about Wyatt is he’s not gonna chime in either. He’ll let you develop your own plan. He’ll be like, you’re idiot and ruin yourself. The wind’s blowing the wrong way. No, he’s thinking that he, he’s like, you’re a fool, but whatever. I’m good with that. Yes, Devin. I would like to walk down the street. I’m not gonna tell him, no, you have a stupid idea on your own hunt. I want you to, you, you should. Real friends want people to chime in and help with this plant. Like, dude, stop chasing the grouse. Just sit here. De just quit moving. I told him, I said, we have, we go up the river. We go down the river. We can sit here every day like you choose day. All the exact same. I had to choose every time. It’s really obviously was hard on me. But it’s really, it’s really nice when you have true friends that help you come up with that decision. But he, he never wants to be blamed that you made the bad decision. Have you been around him for seven times? Seven. I thought we were like 14. 14 by the time we killed. Oh geez. It’s no joke. Yeah. That is no joke. No, it wasn’t too bad. We made a lot of decisions together. Did as a team. I thought we did great. Then we get back and I’m mentally unstable. Somebody ate, somebody ate the Oreos or whatever.
01:05:32:22 –> 01:06:54:25
One Oreo. I had one Oreo that was weren’t supposed to have. Yes, I admitted that to Let’s back. The question moves on over too long. Alright. How many more you guys wanna do? One, one more. I don’t. One unless there’s, unless there’s a couple of good ones that we can get over with quick. We, let’s give the people what they want. Throw throw a couple quick ones out. Geez, favorite caliber. Okay. For both elk and deer. Perfect. Dev Paul Costa 33. Devon, just start off. Favorite caliber elk and deer. Can’t kill ’em Too dead. If you probably have 300 rub. Okay. No kidding. You don’t use a 300 rum. You don’t even own a 300 rum. I just wanted to get a reaction. I’m like, wow, you’re speaking my love language. I, I felt something. Your face looks like you wanted to hug me. I love the rum. I love the rum. I’ve killed so much, so, so many hours. When they hit things, they die. Oh, they died. So there you go. And it’s like a shock and awe, right? Oh yes, I would agree. So I love that. But, but okay, now tell us the truth. It’s good. I shoot a seven mag. I’ve killed a lot of stuff with it. Yeah, it works. It does. It does. John. Yeah. Elk have been 300 wind mag and then deer a win mag. Yeah. And then deer have been, you know, six.
01:06:55:04 –> 01:08:13:06
Anything you go six five PRC or oh, you know, I like it. Seven PRC. All right. I like the, I used to shoot that 300 to everything and then I shot somebody else. I like holy 300 win or rum a win. And then I was like, I, I didn’t know it was an option to not get knocked on the ground every shot. You know? Geez, you guys man up a little. I mean I have no problems with that thing. Josh, you have no problems. You and I are a little, little bit beefy. I was gonna talk today, I only have, I’m allowed 60 pounds to go to Alaska. Guess who told him this? Why, what, what’s he doing? Pulls out and says, oh, and by the way, our limit’s 300 pounds. I’m like, no. I said, A lot of guys do say your limit is 300 pounds for guy in this supercar guy gear. Just so you know. And then he showed his window and like, good luck with that. What I know have to only take Crocs time after, after Josh’s food and rifle. He has 40 pounds to work with. What about, what are your favorite pieces of gear? 40 pound gear P Ah, you’ll be fine. Some Merino Speedo. Wow. A Marino. Speedo on Crocs. Lots of bug spray. You might wanna shave. That’d give you a sock. Geez, I have to cut my eyebrows off and everything.
01:08:13:13 –> 01:09:29:18
I’m gonna come shut up the airport balled everything. I’m ready. I need a little extra nose hairs. One one gallon of less fuel. You’d be, you know, in the airplane and you’d be able to take a little bit more. Yeah, I dunno. I don’t know where. Six pounds per gallon of AGAs. Alright, John, what else you got? Alright, cash. No, if I don’t favorite caliber. If I had to choose one to use for both, I’d probably choose seven PRC. If I could have the option, I’d have a seven PRC and a 300 PRC myself. Geez. All right Josh? I would say probably some form of a seven mag. You know, short mag. I always loved my seven short mag said elk and deer. What about that 300 realm? Well, I, I was, I said I, I would have chose oh, up until last couple years, but I really do like that 300 drum. Oh, oh yeah. So most people are in the seven PRC realm right now. You were in the seven realm back then of some sort of, some sort, I would say for somebody who’s like with worrying about recoil deer and elk, both something that’s big enough to kill coal. Small frame fellers. Yeah. Yeah. Guys that can take an extra 150 pounds of gear to Alaska, right? De Yeah. I don’t, that’s the reason I don’t shoot the 300 row. I’ve shot ’em a lot. Devon’s in a 2 43.
01:09:29:21 –> 01:10:43:28
Not somewhere in there. Yes, but for both deer and elk, yeah, seven would be good. But, but three hundred’s better. I, I’ve enjoyed that rum. No joke. When you shoot something it’s throw it does throw it up the hill. It’s pretty awesome. Hey, I’ve been known to let a kid use a 3 38 rum on an antelope. And a chest is a chest. It was all usable meat. There was no problems. Didn’t even have to grind it up. It was no joke. But, geez. Anyway, I love that three, that 3 38 rum. Borden said this will be your best long range gun anyway, at the time, no joke. It wasn’t my best. It was unbelievable, accurate and everything that it touched died. Alright. Wyatt, what do you got? I just shoot a seven Remington bag. So even at brown bears and grizzlies and stuff, I’ve never shot at one of those. No, but that’s what you take to protect your soul. Yeah, but you’re, if you’re the marksman, half the marksman, the Wyatt is, he doesn’t like, you know, you just pick your spot and that’s where it goes. And it dies. So we should go down these roads. And Wyatt is always deflecting one of these days we’re gonna go down the marksman roads, have a few stories. Hey, we can all count out misses. I mean, there is all count out misses with everybody. There is, there is a kind of, there is. Yes.
01:10:44:20 –> 01:12:03:19
So you could do that. I’m, I like the 300 rum a lot. I’ve worn ’em out at times. But anyway, but the seven PRC, I’m, I like it. I’ve got a couple of rifles, red Rock and Fierce, and they’re no joke. And I’m so impressed. Anyway, elk, deer, very impressive. Maybe on paper, like yeah, there’s, there’s less energy, you know, than say a rum up shorter distances. 500 and under or th or even 800 and under a thousand under. But, but you know, they, they do carry and ballistic coefficients and what or such. They maintain the energy. They had better than many calibers. And so anyway, I’ve been impressed. I’m not gonna lie. Devin, did I misspeak on anything? Well, is there anything? No, I just loved it. The look on your face when I said 300 realm. And I would add, you’re speaking to me. I know you’re speaking my, we could go back to these love languages that wt loves. That was a love language and that was verbal. I thought you were gonna hug me. I would add this, like working at a place like that and being around it a lot. Service calls you could say. Yeah. Do you know how I would say 80 plus percent was 300 drum. 3, 3 8 Lepus, the big calibers every single time. But also I wanna, okay, you’ve never had people with accurate accuracy issues with six, five Creed Moores prcs.
01:12:03:21 –> 01:13:15:15
But the, but the, but the devil’s advocate, I wanna say you, you were in that industry a while ago and I would say rums, the 30 cals were the most popular back then. Oh yeah. So most, so you were dealing with more questions because they were more popular. Now the seven prcs, like the most popular. Yeah, that’s true. Six five PRC the most popular. Those two are the most popular calibers being, and they’re smaller than that. So I think people just, what were the issues on Devin? Like when you, when you say that just most of the time ringing bases, if it really was a problem, but sometimes you get a rifle, people just didn’t know what they were doing. Yeah. And I mean, you know, on paper you’re looking at 3, 3, 8 lapu, like who’s even asked about a 3, 3, 3, 3, 8, how it been. But there for a while that was what people wanted and they’d come back and like these gunsmiths they shoot a lot. Like, and they’d shoot a half inch or less group bang, bang, bang with what? Or like just the same ammunition, like Right. I don’t know what to say. You’re the problem. The, the, the client was the problem. You’re scared to shoot it. Yeah. You’re scared to shoot it. And some people would admit that and sell it or whatever, but yeah, it happens is what I’m saying. Yeah. So my point would be, shoot something you’re comfortable Yeah. Shooting.
01:13:15:24 –> 01:14:29:23
But I think also, I think also since you’ve been in the industry and you were really focused, you were, you were guns, you made your living on guns and dealing with custom rifles, right? You could say. But I think since then people have gotten better at knowing how to mono scope a rifle better at reloading, better at understanding long range and long distance. Like we’ve watched the industry grow. With the time you’ve been in the industry, you’ve watched the knowledge base of even the average hunter seems to be better than it used to be. What do you think? No, I agree. What do you think about that? I agree, but I, I still think people are buying smaller calibers than they were back then. Yeah. Yeah. Much more enjoyable. I agree. A hundred percent. Six, five and sevens. No, Jo, you couldn’t The 300 rum. It’s gonna, it’s like the lo ua. It’s, it’s not that bad yet, but people are totally gravitating away from it, but I love it. But, but they are. Yeah. Am I right? No, it’s Josh, you feel the same? Yeah. Like I said, why you’re never changing. Don’t your dad. No, but there’s something about when I shoot you, you lay there, right there. That’s what I’m saying. Same spot. And that’s 300 rum country. You know what I mean? It’s a hundred percent true.
01:14:31:06 –> 01:15:47:09
I, I’ve been watching a lot of like, YouTube, just hunts and stuff during and things like that. When you’re clocked in, right. What Josh calls it working. I love it. I gotta help you come up with these things. I appreciate it. Listen, we can’t miss an opportunity. That’s generally where I’m driving. But it’s funny when you’ll see guys shooting and everything and all of a sudden I’ll be here like this. Oh, that was a rum. Just yeah. Give you a little, makes your heart feel good. Yeah, it does. This is my, okay. This is my first year hunting with a different caliber. I’ve grew up hunting my whole life with 3 0 8. Really? That’s what, that’s exactly what I wanted to hear. Hey, my first deer was at the 3 0 8, but it was, my mom’s sought off 3 0 8 and it was like this long. Oh no. I feel like it could have had a pistol grip on it. I love that thing. That was my favorite gun. Okay. No, you know, you’re not one of, we’re not the same. That’s what I knew. I, we changed, I knew I’d get flack for it and I wanted to hear about it. What do you shoot now? Now I shoot a, now I shoot a seven rum. Seven A seven PRC? No. Or seven, seven Ram mag Remington mag. Well, when you’re young, you have one rifle. I I had a 300 ultra mag.
01:15:47:09 –> 01:16:54:04
That’s the only thing I had. I shot an antelope with it. Softball size hole through it. And I was like, okay. That was, that’s that’s But you don’t even remember what ammo. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. You know. But you don’t remember if it was, it could have been a sw swift, a-frame. It could have been. Yeah. I don’t, you wouldn’t even know. Like now we know we’re discriminating as hunters now we know what bullets hold together, what the reputations are of the bullets back then. I mean, do you remember we’d go into Ron’s and just grab whatever’s on the shelf the day before the hunt started, go hit a paper plate. Literally. It could have been whatever. Oh, this is all that’s left. I’ll kill ’em. I mean, look at that cartridge, that cartus. It’s big. Are we done? I like, all I can say is just find something at some point. Everybody has a threshold where there’s anxiety with pulling a trigger. Figure out where that threshold is and, and usually stay with, stay with that. Because even just this last weekend I was shooting muzz loaders and after sighting in three of ’em and shooting, I was like, oh, here we go. Even with your massive frame explode and you’re just, yeah. Like you even with your massive frame. Oh yeah. So big.
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But like, there’s a threshold and I I can say smaller caliber rifles, they’re so much more enjoyable to shoot and I’m much more accurate with them in most cases just because they are more enjoyable to shoot. You’re not as afraid of ’em. So find one that’s, I would say the biggest caliber that you’re not afraid of and go with that, that because you want, you want some wiggle room there if you know a shot’s not the best shot you’ve ever made, things like that. And but don’t take a BB gun, you know? No, no. That’s why I said biggest big game handle. The biggest you can handle. Like you need, you, you need to be shooting something that’s big enough that’s gonna kill stuff. And I don’t know if being afraid of it is the right word in my bucket is necessarily you, you think so? I mean, it’s a fear is I’m not gonna get scoped, am I? It’s gonna hurt my shoulder. Like you’re talking those muzzle loaders. I shot one the other day that has a high comb. You can’t adjust it. And it rocked me. And every time I you’re, every time you’re about to pull that trigger, it’s a different feeling than the other guns. You flinch. May not, may, maybe not a flinch, but you know, it’s coming. You’re about to get punched in the face. Ashley.
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I mean, I got Ashley Kate, so she’s whatever, let’s call it thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen years old. She, she shoots on a consistent basis. My 30 nozzle. I’ve tamed it down. It’s 3,100 feet a second, 180 oban. It doesn’t kick it all hardly. She’s never scared of it. Loves the gun, killed tons of stuff with it. I’m just, sometimes I think it’s a perception thing and then people are nervous about it, but you can also tame stuff down with your reloading and I just tamed it down. I don’t, I don’t put a, a hot load through it, you know what I mean? Yeah. 30 nozzle isn’t known to be hot anyway. But anyway. Yeah. I just know when I was 14, my first rifle, I still have, it was like a Savage 30 T six, you know, and, and I it rocked you. You know, it wasn’t my most favorite gun to shoot. Yeah. That’s back when we magna ported things. You remember cutting the holes in the barrel versus a Yeah. Versus a actual break. And I had a, a couple years later, like when I was 16, I, I had gotten a, like a 2 23 bolt action, 2 23 just for coyotes and whatever. Just have a gun in the truck. And that’s like the most accurate gun I ever shovel was because I wasn’t, I wasn’t afraid of it. It was, there was no recoil. Like I would hold it dead set.
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I wasn’t, I’d pull the trigger like it would, it would shoot, it would kill. It was awesome. And so there’s a lot to that. Well, we gotta talk about that. So we could go into the Beaver County, which I know Josh, you love Logan, you’re from there. Great place. And maybe some of my stocks from there, but they love the 22, 2 50. Oh that gun never leaves my truck. Okay. And, and, and I’ve got one and it’ll never, never go without one in my life. But there’s been How many, how many deer Logan have been killed with the 22 2 50 Beaver County? Oh, I wouldn’t kill a 20 a deer with the 22. Two 50. But people use them friends and family at night in January. Yeah. Okay. Josh. Josh, okay. But yeah, you think Pengu people are different? Yeah, I think they are different. Wyatt, you’ve been kind of quiet. Do you want to add anything? Oh no, I answered them. Any personal questions we should go over? No, I think we’re good. We’re good there. Alright. There is, is one question on there though, that’s kind of of a prediction for this upcoming season. Oh yeah, we, we could do that. Oh, real quick. And with go story. How, how do you, how did you know these? Well why, why did you come in early and read all these? That’s, that’s why did even seen this. That’s why he requested to sit there.
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That’s why I requested a black curtain. I wanted to sit behind the curtain. Devin, where were you at at 6 29 this morning? Not here. Okay. Where do you think why it was in here reading these bush? A hundred percent. And he’d already ate an egg? No, he was doing something. He had already ate an egg with a whole wheat bagel, a half of a whole wheat bagel dry. Not true. I just glanced over and saw that question and we were sitting here talking about the rifle question. Alright, you better ahead read it then. Wyatt, read it out. W let’s see if you could, I’ll read, substitute, read you answer for the question reader guy, and I’ve answered plenty. No, I’m reading. I want somebody else, I want Josh to answer it because he’s not the question reader guy right now. Okay, Josh, we’re gonna go from Troy Watkins 24. You’re doing good. What was that? You’re doing good. Oh wow. Appreciate You’re almost rocketing to sleep with that tone of yours. I I I don’t get a lot of compliments. I appreciate. Okay, so Josh is a, did you know that Josh’s verbal affirmation, that’s his love language. Anything verbal? He’s starting to soften. Just don’t touch him. Yeah. The first question is Henry’s verse, ponant verse. I guess we could do Henry’s verse Ponant for Utah units. Strip verse Kaaba this year. Any season, any weapon?
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Oh, I don’t, I’ve not stepped any foot on any three of the four of those, but I’m just hearing things from it. I don’t know. Goes back to when we were talking about maybe units forgotten about the other units that are popular, that kind of thing. I think on just a general basis, every year for Arizona, if you told me I had to take one or the other, I would probably take a kibab tag. Whoa. Every year. Bull over the strip. Every time if you ask me. Because that way it goes back to the similar effect. I feel like with elk, even on tough years, the kibab still kills some big deer because of there is moisture and snow. True. Yeah. And growth. So overall I’d take a kibab tag every year ’cause and it’s a hundred friendly unit, like you’re gonna see deer. Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah. You’re gonna see deer. It’s gonna be a more enjoyable hunt per se. A hundred percent more enjoyable. And I dunno, as far as ponds and, and Henry’s, I, there’s some good deer on the ponds this year, but I’ve heard there might be some good deer on the Henry’s too. And Henry’s is kind of one that was forgotten about until last year. Some guys killed some big deer and some freaking dead that we talked about. So are you rifle? What? What weapon are you going? No, no, no, no. Probably archery or muzzle loader.
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Late rifle on the, on the Chi app. Yes. Yes, for sure. Late on the and then archery or muzzle on Utah. On Henry’s Pons or Henry’s. It’s good to go. First in Utah. Choose choose one. Pon or Henry’s? I’d have to say Ponts just ’cause I know ’em better. I know it more so. Yep. And there’s more of those big deer, but I, but the very top end could come off the pa off the Henry’s. Yeah. Right. Wyatt. See that? Do you wanna answer that? I, I’d go with the Henry’s archery tag. Again, I’d, I’d really like. Okay, do that one again. Ooh. Strip verse caia ba gets a little bit tougher. That Lake Caia Baab is very appealing with the reputation of say like straight up going to the strip 13 BI think I’m going to the strip. I’m going to the strip. I’m going to the strip, but I’m like, Josh, you’re gonna see more deer, Rutten deer. It’s frolicking fun trucks everywhere, but there’s deer for everybody, so it’s not as stressful. I feel like the strip it’s competitive guys. Guys, there’s guys that know it intimately. They work it and you’re gonna, you’re gonna have a little competition out there. So, but, but at the same time, the chance of an absolute giant, you know what I mean? In the back of my mind, it’s gonna be on the strip. So you went strip and ponta gun or Henry’s strip.
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Maybe you strip archery. Okay. And I don’t know your stories on the ponds have me bothered. So prob probably maybe the, probably the archery. Henry’s Archibald. I’m with you. What does that mean? Archery Henry’s strip or about strip? It’d have to be the strip rifle. Rifle. Yeah. Like it in November. Just hoping to roll around a bed. The one thing is you can roll around and you should be driving all day every day. Yes. It’s middle of the day. Because you, because they’re running. Right. That just show, show up Dad. My dad shoots one at 11:00 AM one they didn’t know about. This is like Lamborghini or Ferrari. Yes, please. Any of those? Any of the above. Any, yes. Okay. Let’s end this thing. Okay. Are we good this weekend? It’s happening here in Utah. It stuff’s gonna die. It’s gonna be exciting. We’re gonna talk to you next week. Hopefully we got something fun to talk about. All right. Good luck everybody. Let’s face it. If your goal is to kill big stuff, you need to draw quality tags. Quality tags are typically hard to draw. To increase your odds of drawing good tags you need to apply in multiple states. That’s where an Epic Outdoors membership can help. For only 150 bucks a year, you get access to our consultants, our online tools, and to Epic approved outfitters and members only optics discounts.
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