This episode is packed with hunting stories and updates from the Epic Crew’s latest adventures. Adam recently returned from a Northwest Territories Dall sheep and Caribou hunt. Josh, Devin and Wyatt are just beginning their Alaskan moose hunt, and the balance of the Epic Crew is knee deep in archery hunting around the West. We also hit the questions submitted to us by our Instagram followers for the third part of our annual pre-season question and answer segment.
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You are listening to the Epic Outdoors Podcast. Check us [email protected]. Hey everybody, Jason Carter. Adam Bronson, finally in the office. Been out hunting. Got him right here in the podcast room. Bronson say, Hey, how’s it been going? I, I’ve listened to a few podcasts in the last few weeks since I’ve been traveling. What’d you think? Any belly laughs? Well, I was, yeah, I was taking advantage of him a few ways. Okay, good. What? I just wanna know what your love language is. I didn’t give What’s your love language? Because we never got to vet that out because you weren’t here. Physical touch. Oh boy Bear. You probably ought to bring your own tent. What’s gonna be out there? Words about me, by the way. Have some complaints about chewing gum, but damn chewing nur. There’s nothing like nerds. No. Did you bring in an extra box for me? I just crushed two boxes. Boxes there so I could be on my best behavior. But hey, they’re gone now. There’s no more smacking. I wanna know. I I didn’t, I didn’t read anywhere where I signed over Power of Attorney for voting authority and things like that while I was gone. Nobody voted. Nobody voted. Well, you guys, yeah, you nominated me for sure. What? I don’t remember now. What was it? It was too long. I, I have no recollection either. What was it? What was it? I wonder what we did do recall.
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I do know that, isn’t that like a Clinton? It’s Hillary Clinton. Yeah. I do not recall. Really. Man. Got an amazing memory in other areas. Yeah. Well, you know what? It’s been a while. It’s been a lot of miles since I got home. Since you ate the nerds. I might do this. Honey Stinger Energy Chew. Of course this comes from our buddy Dustin. What were those for me? Like they’re not a casual candy. Like when you’re trekking I had those in, in NWT on my hunt. You had the Honey stinger are energy chews both the wafers and the chew. When you’re really pounding it and you need a boost, they’re good. But, but when you’re just like, ah, I need something sweet after dinner and you eat ’em mountain house and eat. No, you’re not doing an energy chew. I, I tried ’em and they just don’t, they don’t for me. They don’t do, I’d rather have candy. Real candy. But coming at you here from our little Backpack Logistics at Backpack Logistics on Instagram. I guess this is just a little, little surprise box, John. Those would be good for like in the old goof goo days. No, that’s what you use those. Yes it is. Dude. A hundred percent that nothing replaced. That goo that was camp was, what do you call that? It’s kinda like a, like an artificial material. What is it?
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Like a synthetic, that’s a synthetic energy come, not to me that flak is a synthetic energy. It’s like just glucose and mix some caffeine and a bunch of, you know, sucrose and a bunch of cos whatever that goo the goo the energy goo What I, what was it we call it? It was Goose. I think it was GU brand. It’s not F FDA A approved. No way. Come on. No way. I crushed those on this hunt too. It was real. I took them. Doesn’t mean they’re good for you. Yeah. Or inter or approved by the government. Who cares about you. Okay. And wants your taxes. But I’m also someone So they want you to live. Hasn’t had a monster now in almost about three months. Yeah. Well you need one. No I don’t. Yeah, you do. I’m feeling good. You don’t, you don’t. You look like you look a little peaking. You look a little peaking. My hair’s not growing back. I will say that. That’s not, how about your fingernails? Oh yeah. I’ve had cut ’em twice as often. Oh, Paul. Because of the honey stinger? No way. No way. I don’t know. But anyway, in this little box and I don’t know, we got a little peanut butter chocolate thing. We don’t, you know, you know what I half expected from Dustin? Like ghost energy drink because not, I’m not gonna give us the real thing. The monster that we really care about. Yeah.
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Gonna throw in a cheapie like ghost or something. But no, didn’t, didn’t do any of those. He must know they’re not good for you. And then a little loie bear. You’re tenting it out. What have you been? You here you go take this box and enjoy the whole box. Have you been tenting out? You might, you might owe whi where you’re firstborn, but hey, whatever. Hey, that’s okay. He would take it too. Oh, I gotta take it. Okay. So what is it? He sells these boxes, it looks like. No, it’s like a membership thing. Yeah. And it gives you a monthly, here’s, here’s a couple things for the office. No really, it’s actually for hunting, for food. Give you some ideas. Do you wanna make it simple? Tell him how many days you’re gonna be gone and he’ll send, it’s actually, he’ll send it to pretty, pretty, pretty it. Good idea. I just like good assortment. I like to give him a lot of grace. The number one key is an assortment of stuff. ’cause when you’re gone for a week or two, you gotta have an assortment. There’s some stuff you can’t eat the same quake or granola bar every day. I’m sorry. You can’t do it. So if you want a bunch of free advertising, send us a $5 box of goodies and we’ll, we’ll throw you out. A thousand dollars worth of shout out. How about that? Huh? You guys in cash?
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You got anything to sell? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Sell that used hat right there on your head. Oh, well it’s got some sweat rings in it, but it’s disgusting. What you been sweating for? I think you’ve been kind out there and about looking for again. I’ve been looking for stuff, specific stuff. Okay. We’re gonna talk about it later. Okay. When there’s a happy ending, huh? Yeah, when there’s a better ending than a start. When there’s a cut tag. Yes. Is that the hat we had to go looking for? For a little while? No, it’s the other one. Okay. Ooh, you guys, I lost one. You guys had, I lost a hat. I lost a hat on the road. And then we, did you turn around? No, it was the next day. We went back and there was a, there was like a youth group that was walked up in there like we talked, stopped and talked to ’em. Was it by the cattle guard that you’re so familiar with? Nope. Nope. Not that one. Nope. Not the intimately known cattle guard wiped out your truck. No. Yeah. No. But was one of the kids wearing one of a flatty over there? No. One of the kids was like, Hey, we picked up a hat like that on the road down here. We put it in a bush. It’s like head high. You’ll see it on the way out. And I was like, oh, perfect. That’s find.
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Did you find it? Yeah, I got it. You did? Yeah. Wore it just last night. Wow. Or yesterday. Did you, did you wash it first? No, they didn’t touch it. They did something. Oh, I don’t know. They did something. Hey, that’s nice. Don’t, don’t put that on my head. You get a bunch of boys out there in the hills. Come on. What do you think they did? Hey, I think they, they must have been at the end of the trek because they’d straightened up. You know the first, they, I was nice. They were changed. Yeah. They were troubled youth. They’re the troubled youth. Troubled youth. It’s good to see that They had some good leaders though. That’s great. That was good. So what do you, bro, and so before, I wanna know your story from up north in Canada, but before we do, I’m afraid these kids might get on a plane and they’ve been kind of held up in Alaska. Which one of them should we call and just kind of get the update on this hunt that they’re going on? Which one’s gonna be the most interesting? And I, I got voted for while I was gone. Oh, I’m gonna vote Wyatt. Okay. Alright. Let’s call WB wb. Here we go. And let’s, I don’t know, maybe he won’t answer. I he probably won. See? Well, I’ll put a $20 on the table. He doesn’t answer right now.
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If he doesn’t answer, I’ll buy you guys lunch. No, no. If he doesn’t answer, he’s getting it. We’re gonna come up with a Wyatt story that is not authorized for the podcast. Not approved. That’s right. But he, and there’s plenty of them. Okay, here we go. I might have to turn it up just a little. I He is not gonna answer. No, there’s no way easiest 20 bucks I’ve ever made. He is. I told you he’s, he’s such a cop out. Hey. Okay, now I’ll bet you 20 bucks. Paul does pick up. Oh yeah. Alright. Heck with it. We don’t need Wyatt anyway. Well, don’t say that Josh. This is our answer. That’s funny. These these guys are looking at each other laughing. Oh yeah, they, hello? So Wyatt screens our call. Easiest $40 I’ve ever made. What? Wyatt screened our call. And so we had to call you. I made 20, I made $20 and I said, Wyatt is who I want to call. But I’ll bet he 20 bucks. He doesn’t pick up. And when he didn’t, I said, try Josh. He will. So well, let me get him. They need to talk to you. Put it on speaker. Let’s, you guys wouldn’t, Hey, we’re just wondering, are we wanted to call you on What’s, are you getting on a plane or what’s the scoop? Not yet. We’re watching the mountains and clouds go by hoping that they clear off.
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Are the clouds ripping by it? 60 mile an hour. You got any? No, that’s, I kinda wish they were. Maybe they blow away, but they’re just hanging. Is it so rain? It’s only midday raining up there. Do you gotta, I mean, yeah. I mean it’s, it’s, it’s one o’clock. Is it? Alright, so tell us, Josh, you’re in Anchorage, you’re hung up weather. You guys are headed out on a moose hunt. Just wanted to kind of get the feel for the vibe of how, how’s Devin? I’m a little worried about the feller. I, you know, we kind of recorded Devin’s Good is he’s good. He’s in a good spot. Wyatt’s had some troubles, but really that makes sense because he, he’s totally screened our call. Yeah. Yeah. I’m Texas problem. Let’s give us some example of this. I’m taking, taking the black horn off with W’s desk. Yeah, I noticed there was like three bottles. Oh yeah. You’ll come over it. Yeah. Tell why he lost two bottles per screen. Our call. What? They said you lose two bottles of black horn for screening the call. I don’t have my phone. He says call. Hey. Excuse, excuse his excuse answer me this. And I know that’s not proper. Answer me. This does, has WB ever not had his phone on his body? I’m trying to keep my phone at a hundred percent. And you’re, and you’re in the airport with plugs everywhere. I get it.
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It makes total sense. Yeah. Well we got you on speaker. Devon. Has there been a freak out yet? There’s been one meltdown. It wasn’t me or Josh. And then we got one story. We can’t tell you right now. It’s gonna happen. Well what’s the, what’s the melt? What was w It’s meltdown. Let’s get to the bottom of that because every, I think it was a mixture of just people, congestion, rain, what else? Well, didn’t cold. Now I did see a picture of a guy snuggled up to Wyatt and it proved that he was a physical touch guy. Yep. But what, tell me about that. Tell me how that happened. That was me. Yeah, that was who? Yeah, it was de That was me. What? It was seats yesterday. What do you mean? No, it didn’t. There was a guy on the plane. On the plane. Oh that guy. When a guy was sleeping on Wyatt’s shoulder. Yeah. A random And WT was smiling and Wyatt smiled and took a selfie with the guy. Who is that guy? Who was that guy? Technically wasn’t, wasn’t a selfie. ’cause there was two people in the photo and Josh took it. Oh, who was that guy? It was Leslie Chow from the Hangover International Criminal. Okay. He even had a poem, a Palms Resort hat on. Oh my God. Well you guys were cuddled up tight. It was, Hey, you know, it was cute.
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It was a good, good start to the, you know the tent Yeah. Expedition. Yeah, Vince. But we did go like, why? It was just kind losing it for a minute. I even heard him say something about, I hate Alaska. And so Wyatt says he hates Tundra and, and he loves Alaska. You can’t hate Tundra and want to go to Alaska all the time. You don’t. Luckily we borrowed Shafer’s truck last night though. And he got to go slow roll the willows. We found a bull moose. So he kind of backing, backing the game now. Hey, if there’s anybody that could slow roll the willows, it’d be Wyatt. Yeah. Yeah. We found some bull moose to try and ride and, yeah. Okay. Anyway, he was gonna supposedly show us some beluga whales, but he wasn’t his info really. How about the, yeah, how about the airboat? Is it back up and going? Did Wyatt try to conjure up an airboat? No, not yet. We did get a call yesterday that said this hunt may involve a boat. So we’re trying to figure out who’s captain, who’s first May Who, who’s all that stuff? Who’s Gilligan? That’s what I, yeah, exactly. Who’s Gilligan. Oh, well, so give us quite a quick update. What is it looking like for you guys? You guys have been held over for what, a day and a half now? Yeah. What tags, what tags do you got in your pocket?
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Let’s just, how many just, I just have one. I am really, I’m here to kill a moose and come home. That’s, that’s not even my, I mean, what about packing out the other guys’ Moose? Well, we’ll, we’ll see how that goes when he gets saved. Dev already claimed all the rear quarters on all three. So he, did he already staked his claim to those? He did. That’s ’cause he’s in Spartan shape and he wants to show that he can do a bone end quarter. He, he can do six bone end Heinz quarters on this one. Is Wyatt? Yes. Is Wyatt getting in shape? Jogging in place over there? He’s doing lots of pacing back and forth. He’s, he doesn’t sit very well. Is he doing stairs? He’s been pacing is at least some stairs. He’s climbing. I know, I know that Wyatt has not missed an Instagram post of any sort, guaranteed. No way. No, me and Devin are getting some steps in our, our rooms are upstairs, so we gotta walk upstairs. Wyatt just gets to sleep in the garage, so. Oh, he’s, he’s not getting too much physical activity in. Alright, well, all right. So you’re a day and a half in, are they? What’s the forecast? Is it gonna be you guys flying out here today? We’re supposed to, but we haven’t.
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We’re supposed to hear back in about 30 minutes on when that’s gonna be, but it’ll be, I dunno, we can’t even see the mountains here. Yesterday was windy as crap, so that’s why they couldn’t fly yesterday. But we could see pretty good. But now it’s kind of a storm just socked in. And so hopefully, hopefully today, if not tomorrow. It’s supposed to be like tomorrow and Friday. Looked like the two best days, so. Geez. But I think that’s what he was hoping to get us into lodge end out. So. Oh, you got by then, you went early for a reason. So I mean, that’s Alaska. You gotta slow your heart right now. Yeah. Get there and, and wait. Yep. Basically. Yeah. And wait to come home too sometimes. Yeah. Well the good thing is you went plenty early, so we’re good. Yeah, for sure. I mean, we can’t even start hunting till Sunday, so that’s why I said it’d be, at least we’re not cutting into hunting days, you know? I mean we just, we want to get up there, but at least we’re not cutting into hunting days, so That’s good. Makes it a little easier. Devon said, I, I teased you guys on the text, but you guys have actually taped your food that you’re flying out. You’ve taped it shut like the Oreos specifically, like stuff like that is not getting crushed in the hotel. Right.
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Like I was Devon’s definitely probably got the Oreos on the, on the brain. He said that they’re taped. It’s sealed. Like there’s not, nobody’s eating them in the hotel. Yeah, we, well, let’s see. Devin may have just got an update. Let’s see what he says. You’re still plugged up on our side. We’re not going anywhere. What? As, as of now it sounds like we’re not going anywhere. That’s live update. Geez. Oh, well you might go get him an Oreo shake. Get, get go to find a dairy queen tonight for Devin. Yeah. Poor little. Well we, we did get, we did get three celebratory meals or treats for every moose we kill. You did what? What A pack of Oreos. Like a and then giant pack. Like Yeah, well it’s, I don’t know, like the three rows of ORs. The big pack. Not the little What about the extra goo in the middle? Did you get the big one? Double stuff or is it double stuff? No, no, no. They, that’s too much for those two. Ugh. So that sugar’s driving crazy. We, we just got the regular Oreos and then we got some just regular old hard chips of hoy blue bag chips of hoy. My gosh. Those are disgusting. Dude. You, you got powdered milk? Yeah, you need, you need need dip those in milk just so they don’t break your teeth. Geez. Both of those are options. I felt like the red or chewy.
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I mean’s what? Chewy? What’s the one? That’s what I was going for. Redeem. What’s number three? What was your third? You you just, I said what about the red ones and you thought I’d just was blast feeing somebody. I don’t know. How about the Honey stinger energy shoes on your third packout? Yeah. I, I got some of those. Yeah. But I chose, I went with the cosmic brownies for my choice. Oh for, oh, disgusting. Those are disgusting. Also brownies. They’ve got preservatives. They’re like up the wazoo on those things. Wax, wax, chocolate. I mean it’s whatever. It’s wax. There’s nothing better. You, you and she crazy. Wow. Well I, I could see you guys. I would be scared quite a too, if I was with you three, I’d be scared to shoot a moose that I have to eat one of those things. Like I don’t want the treat. It’s not big enough. It’s not good. Do I have to eat it? Hey, whatever You guys get to do what you want. You get to make your own choices up there. That’s right. Yeah. You don’t have, you don’t have women and children telling you what to do. You’re not at the office. No. We’re, I mean, dude, you’re good. Yeah. Life couldn’t be better. Well, it’s true. We’ll look for up there. Did you tell ’em that you got the secret clothing packed? What’s Oh, no, no.
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Well, I mean he, so Jo Okay, Josh, you’re not Take us off speaker phone. I’m not, I’m not. No, they’re, they’re trying to hook up a trailer. Okay. So we’re good. Alright. So what I’m, I’m doing this Canadian whitetail hunt and Josh, Josh was kind of hooked up last year with a heated vest. The battery stuff? Yeah. Yes, the heated vest. And it worked. So Josh just recently just texted me today, he’s like, Hey, these things are on sale, go here. And I’m like, okay. And he’s like, by the way, I brought one. Well, you know, they’re so, you know how you’re worried about weight. I’m like, do the boys know you got that? That’s an extra piece of gear that’s not needed. Really. And how you gonna charge it? You’re gonna need a solar charger and you’re in Alaska. How often does solar work? Once every seven days. And it does, are you charging your inReach and your cell phone or what are you charging? That’s what I charge. You know, your electric books Kindles, whatever else you brought. I’m good toothbrush. I’m, I’m good. Toothbrush it. Yeah. Your, your shaver, electric shaver. So anyway, Josh has taken his heated vest. When he pulls it out, the boys are gonna go crazy. Yeah. They want it. ’cause we’ve already, we’ve already been walking around and you know how it is up here. It’s just like chilling. It’s, it’s and damp chill. Humid and cold.
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So we’re like, you do that. We’re coming from 90 degree dry weather and it’s like we’re all, I mean we were walking around with coats on every day. Everybody else is walking around with t-shirts. Okay, well, and as Harry as Devon is, he’s gonna double up. It’s, it’s gonna put, he’s gonna put some, put it down. Yeah, well see. And I did, I did the opposite before I went. See, I, I went and shaved off. I went and shaved off enough body hair. That’s enough, Josh. That that’s enough guy. Yeah. I mean, well you didn’t want stuff short circuit. You want body, you want body hair or you want a vest. I had body hair vest. Choose. It was a handful. Okay. Okay. So you’re trying to say sweet, you got three pounds too vivid. Alright. Trying to say wait. This is a family friendly podcast. Josh. This is family friendly podcast. Okay. I’m sorry. I guess you guys left about the right time of the Garfield County Fair when they were shearing sheep and stuff over there. You probably just got in line. Huh? Alright, so Yeah, if I did that, we’re good. I just, you know how it is when you wear thermals for like 10, 10 days in a row, thermals and your body hair is all going the wrong direction. So you’d thought that far in advance that you were worried about how the thermals are gonna feel on your body.
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So you shaved, you shaved down. Wow. I’m prepared. Okay. Okay. So, so, so the funny thing is, is do you have eyebrows? Exactly. So did you eyebrows and a beard. I do have, I do keep, keep above the neckline. Good. The fun. The funny thing is, is why it reminded Josh of the weight limit in the super cve. Remember Josh? Remember that Josh, when you, when you Yeah. Oh yeah. At around camp the night you think you’re gonna unveil this, this wazoo wall mess. Make sure you go out there, you know, and do this a couple of nights in advance so they’re not suspecting it, but set it out there while you’re boiling your water for your mountain house. And so they’re just thinking you’re filming dinner and all that. Right. You know, and then, and then film it on the tent as you walk out. But have the camera on those two’s face. I don’t wanna see you. I I wanna see their face. I do too. They’re gonna be like, that’s the only thing I wanna see. We have weight limits in the super cub. And you brought that. That’s what I wanna see. I will, I will pay, I will pay the $40 that I made at the start of this podcast. I’ll pay you that. If you captured their faces on film, they’re gonna lose it. That angry little man is gonna lose it.
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Especially if something gets I’ll guarantee him I’ll get a what? Especially if something gets put off the plane. Hey, I’m overweight guys, we gotta drop it. It happens to be like cookies. Wyatt, you’re gonna have to leave your cot. Yeah. What did Wyatt tell you the weight limit was? Absolutely. He told me 300 pounds. Which is totally unfair. It is fair. ’cause if it’s 300 pounds, a hundred’s taking stakes, Devon’s taking bone end stakes that little fell got is a lot to make up to 300. He’s got a lot of gear. Yeah. He could bring everything. Got hundred 50 pounds. Josh you’ve got about so 30. So 300 counting. That’s what I told them. Like my pants are bigger. Like all kind extra, extra pounds per pair of pounds because of the material that’s in my pants compared to his. I guess that’s why you shaved shaved. Now we know why you shave, you shave down. Besides the fact that it feels weird having thermals on. Geez. Yeah, you’re gonna look like a swimmer in the Olympics when you get out of a tent up there. I was probably gonna speedo too ’cause that’s saving weight. You’re gonna be all sleek man. All I’m over this. So hey, you’re gonna fly out tomorrow then? Or what are you doing today? Probably, I don’t know, we just caught that text. Sounds like it’s not good as of now.
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It sounds like it’s really good over the mountain where we’re gonna be hunting but not in town. It’s all on this side. There’s kinda like that bay that runs up between there and Anchorage and it’s kind of socked in there with fog. So the wind’s not really blowing. It’s just you can’t, I mean we can’t even see the mountains right here from here. Should be able to, but well keep your powder dry. I don’t know how you’re doing that. You did, did you guys take a muzzle loader? Either of you guys? No. No, no. No. Okay. What did Wyatt, did Wyatt take a seven mm or whatever it is? Yeah. Geez. Seems a little light. Do all of you have your pistols? What do you got Wyatt? Leave his home. Did he bring it after all? No, he brought it. He brought it. Wow. Is he didn’t bring it. Does he know how to use it? Because there’s nothing worse than a guy does how to use it. Has he ever shot it? I, without that doubt. Yeah. I’m not sure. I’m not sure. I did you, you brought your pistol right? Me? Yeah. Wait, he’s saying no, he didn’t bring his pistol. I thought he did what? Of course he did. He doesn’t want anybody the one place on the planet. He’s worried about government listening to the podcast. No, I have my pistol.
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Okay, well we’re, we’re just thinking that’s the only place you’d need it on the North American continent and you better not have left it home. But no, it’s, it’s there. Okay. Aaron and them had to run one outta camp with all that bloody caribou meat a couple nights ago. So it got interesting you said did it? Yeah. No kidding. I don’t, I don’t think shots were fired but I yeah. May or may not be able to be. I may or may not know the whole full story yet. Been through inReach and some of that anyway. Kind of cryptic Only heaven and Aaron know the truth. Well and there’s a couple other with them, but anyways. Yeah. Alright. Alright. Well we wish you guys luck. Can’t do a podcast without, without having our right hand men. Yeah. We’re gonna, we’re gonna vote, we’re gonna ask you some questions today. We’ve got a new question reader, guy Pollock. No, no offense, but I mean we’re gonna do do that. We might. Good luck. We might answer questions on your you guys’ behalf like you did while I was gone. So feel free. Feel free. Yeah. We’ll answer from the shave down Pollock. Yeah. Sign you up for stuff you didn’t even know you were signed up for. You know what I would say and how I would answer. So Yeah, go ahead. It may or may not be. Yeah but I may not be able to verbalize it.
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Exactly. Be might mean blush. I don’t know how Pollock. Okay. Alright. Talk to you later guy. I’m over for it. I’m over it. He’s gone. He’s gone. Oh good. Heck, it’s alright. Bronson been there before. But anyway. Well let’s do a little bit of a catch up. Yeah. You were up in Canada, Northwest Territories a great trip. Never. I’ve never hunted quite that early. I actually hadn’t hunted NWT I’ve been to BC Yeah a couple times. Utah, Yukon a couple times, Alaska a bunch, but never made it to NWT. Just circuit. Haven’t avoided it. I never have either. But their sheep season opens July 15th and, but I of nice if you were Yeah, it’s, and I mean the caribou we, we elected, I went with a buddy, good buddy of mine. One of my guys, Wayne Brown went up with me and he had a caribou tag. Wolf, wolverine. I had, you know, sheep, caribou, wolf, wolverine. We, we went the second timeframe and I extended it to a 15 day hunt so that we could have plenty of time to, you know, hunt a sheep, maybe hunt some caribou, whatever. So it was the end of July through about the 10th or 12th of August. So the bulls should be pretty much mostly grown out. Velvet of course. But anyway, it was, it was an awesome trip. One thing about NWT is you don’t need, I never used a headlamp in three weeks. Yeah. Literally early like that.
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It’s not, not even, not even like I wish I had one. Like I had one, Wayne and I both brought ’em. You didn’t never used one. Ever. Didn’t need it. And part of it was because you’re just that extra two or three weeks earlier, like Alaska opens for sheep August 10th, sometimes you have three or four hours of dark. It’s monumental what happens in three weeks up there. Yeah. Even, even the 15, 16 days we were out in the field, whatever it was, noticed a difference. It it was dramatic. Yep. And when it would get dark. When it would get light even in the 16th, because you’re just going the other way after June 21st, whatever it is, you start going the other way. Yeah. But type of place where, you know, arctic red, they don’t use helicopters. I mean they’re legal in NWT, but they don’t use ’em. It’s kind of been a longstanding kind of known thing. They just a little bit of pride. Yeah. And they just, it’s you in the mountain. You’re coming here for the real experience, drop you off. And it was awesome. We got dropped off sunny hot and you basically, it’s you in the mountain. We, you know, there’s not like, hey, we’re dumping you on a pile of rams. There should be a good one Right in that bunch right there. You’re just go for it. Cross country backpack trip. And it was awesome.
00:25:55:06 –> 00:27:01:19
Had a couple of days midway, a 24 and a 20 hour stint, you know, almost back to back in the tent. Yeah. And that’s when it’s nice to have some audio books or whatever like that. Because Matt did you, did you have some Wayne did. Yeah. Mine say So I have ’em, I’ve, I’ve had ’em on my phone. But you don’t know how to Five years. No, but, and they’re an audible, that audible app, I don’t know you guys used called Audible. Never used. I don’t. And some reason when I got my new phone, they were there, but they were not downloaded anymore because like I could see the list of the books. So your account shows that you’ve downloaded ’em at some point. Oh well I, I, I, on that phone I firstly listened to the books on previous hunts. Ugh. And, and, and you know, when you get a new phone and everything transfers, I hadn’t been into Audible. I can see the titles, but they weren’t download. I couldn’t, I couldn’t listen to my books. Geez. So luckily, luckily Wayne, Wayne had a bunch. He’d been, you know, other places, you know, traveling and he had, he had a bunch and they were awesome. A lot of World War ii, you know, documentary type audio books. They were cool. You know, dropping the A bombs on Japan, the world, it was kinda real interesting. Very factual.
00:27:02:08 –> 00:28:06:04
But anyway, so that spent some time in the tent. But basically on a 15 day hunt, you don’t feel too bad when you’re, you got two days shoot up with rain, you start to fill a pinch a little bit. When you got a 10 day hunt. How did you listen to him? Were you, did you use AirPods or were you had him on speaker phone? He just put it on speaker and then you both just, Wayne and I shared a three man tent. We took a three man. Yeah. Him and I, we took one gun and one tent. He packed the tent. I packed the gun. Yeah. And perfect, you know, we had plenty of room in there for two guys. And your gear, when you have to a two man tent when you’re cooped up for 24 hours is they’re not two man tents. Yeah. You know. No. Awesome. Amazing country. They’re one man. And a little gear. That’s right. Yep. Alright. So along about day six, we had good weather again. It, it broke. We, you know, we’d, we’d covered 15 miles or 20 miles prior to that. It’s not, you know, going in and out drainages and checking for sheep. Seen a couple, oh, a couple rams that were really pretty and long, but not old enough. But day six we saw a freaking giant caribou. Like one we would love to have killed, but we were, we’re deep.
00:28:06:04 –> 00:29:05:19
And there’s, that’s one thing they told us where we’re putting you. You’re not even gonna be thinking about killing a caribou until you kill a sheep and get out of that country. ’cause there’s no way to come get you like you are, you’re hiking from here to here and there’s nowhere to pick you up in between. So that’s what you don’t think about shooting a caribou. Yeah. And you’re gonna know that. And you guys had the opportunity. You rolled up on a freaking job. Oh, he was, oh, he was big. He’s like 400 something yards. He was beautiful bull. Great bull. And another one just a little bit smaller. I mean, but so frustrating though. And then like literally at 30 minutes or an hour after that we, we glass, glass up five rams and a couple of ’em were kind of, so, so I mean maybe right there legal, but not like old legal. It didn’t look like kept rounding this drainage. And then as we looked back where we’d under some bluffs glass, these two rams coming outta this cave fling, it’s probably like a lick, a minow lick or something because you’re coming outta some crack. And it, and it was my ram where ram I ended up killing. So that was the evening of day six. And we were wrapping around in another drainage and look back, you know, mile or so and saw ’em.
00:29:05:27 –> 00:30:08:09
And so we said, all right, we gotta get closer to those sheep in the morning. They looked like what we’re looking for. But you wanna, you know, you wanna know they’re old enough. You know, nine, 10 plus year old. That’s, you know, even with the heavy winter, two winters in a, in a row two or three or four years ago, you know, their numbers aren’t as high in a lot of places up there. But you still don’t wanna shoot. It’s not quite like Alaska where if it’s legal, it, it dies, you know, in most places of Alaska right now. So we backtracked set up camp and yeah. You know, below these sheep, you know, they fed up and over. We couldn’t even see ’em that night. But it got dark and set up camp there. And the next morning proceed had to cross a river like three minutes outta camp. And you know, you have river crossing shoes and you know, you can stop, take your boots, socks off, take your pants off so you’re crossing in shorts or whatever or ah, that rock. I think I can jump across the same, I think I can make it. And they’re all slick, man. Moss under the water. And the, the guy in the packer, they just dropped down, dropped they knew better, started putting their boots, taking ’em off.
00:30:08:16 –> 00:31:13:29
And Wayne and I of course were pacing the river and we’re like, we don’t have a full full pack anymore. Can we got a a day pack? Pretty much. Yes. But it’s the full pack but it’s not heavy. And Wayne, Wayne walks up, he goes, I, we can cross it there. And he is like I said, I think we can just try it. And there was this rock sticking out of the water and you can see the top of it. But, but it, it didn’t look bad. I, I went for it. I hit that thing and it slips so fast. Like I couldn’t even time even with, even with anticipating that this might be slick. Yeah. That’s went down and I face planted straight into the river. Just 18 inches deep face plant. My bin noses on my chest was just dripping everything. Yep. My pants a hundred percent. Everything went boots a hundred percent. And so then you’re just flailing getting out of this river. And I get over there and they’re like, well I get, I said, how’d you do? I said, Hey. I looked back and laugh and I said, you guys are doing the right thing over there. Yeah. And so you just stripped down. Literally. I was in rain. Rain. I put my rain gear. That was my rain pants for the day. Rainer pants. Yeah. You took off your wet pants. Here we go.
00:31:13:29 –> 00:32:14:09
Yeah, I rained out my socks and all that. It would be terrible. Yeah. To be all day. And luckily it was ended up, you never know at first light if it’s gonna be a rainy day or not and it can change it in two hours. But anyway. Yeah. Climbed that steep cow’s face mountain. It took us a couple hours to get up on top and cat and mouse and around. Couldn’t find ’em. And then sweating and rain gear. Yeah. Well really not. ’cause it was luckily cold early. Yeah. And it was, I was still trying to dry out. I wanted to eat. But anyway, decided a big loop to try to get up on this ridge to look down in a hole that we thought they might have went to. And as we did that, we looked into a different hole that was on the front side there. They were, they’re beded right down in a cut. Wow. Just them two. And we sn stuck stocked in on ’em just like a classic. Got a lot of good video of the setup and it was great ramp. They were beded down, got up there as soon as, I mean it was just like textbook. Soon as you’re ready to shoot you slide the gun up there and the ram you wanna shoot stands up and you know, quarters away. Looks away from you. And just basically, here’s my armpit. Shoot.
00:32:14:18 –> 00:33:18:15
I mean it was literally, it’s all on video. It’s, it’s awesome. Shot him and 10-year-old ram beautiful sheep. Awesome backdrop. I haven’t killed many of my rams with with they’re awesome background. This one had a really, really deep lot of depth too. It was, it was awesome. Yeah. Color depth, great day. And took care of him. Got him back to camp that night, got a bunch of creek rocks and built a fire and roasted him all up and eat a bunch of backs drops. And so I tender loins, just awesome ribs, roast ’em for like three hours. They were amazing. Brought a bunch of body, abdomen, fat with us to coat the rocks and get ’em all. Yeah. Cleaned off sizzly sizzly. And it was, it was amazing. I, that’s the best I wanna say like the best meat I’ve ever had in my life. And I know we were only out a week, so it’s not like I was gone for 30 days and tasted meat for the first time. It was only seven days. But part of it has to be that fat of the sheep. It was amazing. Like you’re not taking a desert, an all crusty desert sheep. We and we don’t have don’t have fat. No. I mean these things literally you just reached in after you got the insite and you grab Wayne grabbed two handfuls, softball sized fists and threw it in our game backs.
00:33:18:15 –> 00:34:23:06
And just to say we’re gonna have this for days as we go hiking out here. Yeah. We’re gonna, you know, coat the rocks and it’ll have grease to cook instead of just, anyway, it was, it was amazing. So got got back to camp, found it on meat all night that, and woke up the next day and had a real, real hike out of there. And it rained all that day. Bushwhacking all the way out to where we could get to a river bottom, set up camp there and the next day crossed another big river and built a strip so they could come get us. That was probably day nine. And came and picked, picked up the sheep, took it in and moved us to an area a little bit more suitable for, for caribou hunting. Meaning you could get dropped off and you could leapfrog down a big drainage and get picked off at, you know, multiple spots as you hunted. And anyway, just the first day out we, the next morning we set up camp and glass some bulls up on the, on the mountain. They told us it was gonna get really hot. And that afternoon in the hottest time of day these caribou were running down into the river in the creek and just getting rid of going crazy and bucking and kicking and they were just being weird bugs. Yeah. Just bugs bugging ’em probably.
00:34:23:06 –> 00:35:24:17
And this bull came out and he looked great but he started running down the river and went down five, 600 yards down there. And as we’re graveling our stuff and trying to get closer in case he turns around, he turns around and, but he never broke stride and ran up this side drainage outta sight. And we’re like, what just happened? That was a shooter bull. Yeah. And we’re like, well let’s get down on the river level. Maybe it’ll come back out tonight. That never happens. Right. Yeah. Got down there, got the gun bi potted up, set up on there we’re like two sure enough, two 50 yards, hour and a half later. Like there he is, he comes running out of the drainage. Just same thing. Crazy thing. And I’m on him this time I had one in the pipe. ’cause I’m like, you know, if they’re trotting down a river like, and you just gotta grab a gun, you kind of gotta be ready. Yeah. And I’m like, I mean this is in the where we can get a, the strip is right here. Yeah. And where we got dropped off. So as soon as I’m about ready to shoot, he, he yells just to try to stop him. Well either echoed off the canyon wall there, it’s kind of some bluffs along the river. He turns and I don’t know if that spooky, he just starts running jumps in the river.
00:35:24:18 –> 00:36:21:24
It’s about, you know, mid rib high. He’s running through it and now he’s on our and they’re like, don’t shoot, don’t shoot. ’cause now ’cause it’s like gonna it come on your side. We couldn’t have crossed the river where it was. Yeah, it’s like your, your chest. Yeah. Like you’re not crossing that. And pretty soon he gets up on the other side and I, as soon as he got off the, off the, you know, bank and he’s just running, he, he doesn’t know what he’s running. Just hammered him. Kept, because I didn’t want to go back in. He was a great bull, awesome bull. And so Wayne Wayne’s waiting for the, the next world. Well he’s Wayne. Yeah. He wants a giant. He is. And, and he’s, you know, he’s kind of on, he’s on a trophy fee basis for caribou. And I’d paid the extra five days, which included the caribou. Yeah. So I thought if I pay the extra five days, make it a 15 day hunt. Include the caribou. You’re not as, it’s already paid because you’ve already I’ve already paid for it and I might, you know, and Wayne’s I’m gonna shoot a good one. I mean it’s only day 10 though. Yeah. And he’s probably a bit piggy thinking, who knows what the next few days are gonna bring. Like Wow. Yeah. And we’re, we’re both thinking this is amazing. Yes. Yes. And the next four days, it wasn’t amazing.
00:36:23:04 –> 00:37:27:25
It was hot. It got record heat. It was in the eighties on us in the mountain. Wow. The base camp was over 90, 90 degrees. Wow. Hundred. Wow. They’ve never seen it that hot for, you know, this is August, you know. Wow. 10th or something like that. Geez. Anyway, the only Yeah. Way on day 14 we’re, we’re just kind of going through the motions by that. We got a day left, we had our oatmeal or whatever outside our tent. And, and guy yells wolf and he’s pointing back down the creek kinda where I shot my caribou and ended up being a wolverine. So we ran, got grabbed the gun, ran down there and he was grabbing rocks that were just covered in like blood. Yeah. That’d been three, four days old. Running ’em up into the trees, probably looking like, and then he was running back. That’s what’s amazing to me is just even though energy from the blood, they’re real like, well if you’re rock remix, I mean, geez, run out there, grab a like a baseball size rock in his mouth and run it back to the trees, which is 200 yards. Geez. And, and, and so he made it to the trees. But I said, let’s get up here. He’ll come back. So we get up there, got kind of set up pretty soon. Here he comes and he’s loping they, they run so good those wolverines. Yes.
00:37:28:03 –> 00:38:37:10
But now you’re like, this thing’s toast. ’cause if he goes all the way to there, he’s gotta come back now. And by then Wayne’s bi potted up and he’s, he’s proned out and this thing’s low, but it’s all it’s gotta do is stop. I’m ranging, ranging. I’m dialing. I’m like, Wayne, just hold that on dial’s like 2, 2 50, 2 75. Stop, flatten that thing. Wow. It was, it was off. It was, it was rough. Yeah. And Wayne had missed one. What a trophy though. 20 years ago he missed one. Yeah. Off a carcass that they had killed. But he just thought, oh, there it is. It’s close. Yes. One ended up being like, call it two fifty three. 150 yards. Which I think he said he’s shooting to 30 off six, 20 years like that. 300 yards, that thing. Oh, you’re not, you’re not hitting a wolverine. No. That thing’s, that thing’s all but out of energy. Anyway. So he was, he was pretty stoked about that, but pretty amazing trip. It always is when you go up north. It is. It was, you know, we earned it. The, the weather got tough for the caribou towards the end. And that was a hunt you had won. Yeah. How many years ago? Seems like three years ago. Geez. Yeah. So three years ago. Every year Utah, a lot, a lot of state chapters or even a sheep show and places they, they raffle off hunts. Right. And you gotta be president.
00:38:37:10 –> 00:39:43:17
I don’t know about the ones at sheep show, but you have to be present at the ones at Utah Wild Sheep Foundation in the room the night. And that was three years ago. Yeah. I won that. Won that sheep hunt. So yeah. Pretty awesome. Gotta gotta have your name in the hat. Pretty awesome. I, I think it’s great. What a what an awesome trip. Pretty, pretty fun. We’ve been cash. Yeah. How you been doing? We’ve been grinding like crazy. Oh yeah. You wanna give us a quick update? You don’t have to go through all the details. Just general archery. Quick update there. Yeah. Is what you after just hunting general archery, OL and you’ve had helped with out clients. Yeah. Helped out clients. Packed a bull out that was as crap. Yeah. Great bull stoked for him. Then just hunting, general archery, deer, helping my buddy myself. And then I had my brother-in-law come down here soon to, to hunt. So that’s great. Trying to just get done. So I’m out of the way for him to come down. We can focus on him, but kind of had a pretty big down. I was really, really up and then it went really, really down really fast. And now I’m just trying to pick myself back up and Oh, you’re fine. Find something new. It’s just bow so normal. No, it’s good. That’s normal bow hunting and yeah, it’s sometimes you need 28 days.
00:39:43:24 –> 00:40:46:13
Oh you need it. There’s a reason. Charge your batteries and take a few days off and then feel like I’m hungry to go hunting again. Yeah, exactly. That’s true. That’s the truth. I’ve been scouting a ton. I’ve been scouting a ton. Went to New Mexico, learned some of that country what I gotta deal with. And then just, you know, glassing for some of your stuff a little bit. Yeah. Archery deer, which is awesome. It’s bent there again, kind of need just stuff. You kind of had a down or two, so it’s kind of, you do need a little bit of time. Oh yeah. And of course that hasn’t gotten over yet. And so anyway, we’ll tell that story when it’s all over. Yeah. But then you know, Justin too, we’ve been working on his elk and then he, he went out on his archery deer. This is the craziest story. It’s the craziest. He’s got this elk hunt that’s the highlight of his year. It’s the highlight of my year. Yeah. Like it’s, you, you, you’re not in Alaska aside, you’re not in Alaska because of the sun. That’s right. I have to call the guys instead of be there with them being on the call. And I wouldn’t screen your call like why like Wyatt did. But anyway, yeah. So we’re, you know, September is set aside for, for Justin and, and and whatnot.
00:40:46:13 –> 00:41:49:28
And so anyway he’s out there and he’s stocking a deer, Sean and him, which is a proud moment. I’m in New Mexico getting updates via phone, you know, everything they can do. And they’ve got Justin on a deer. Justin ends up stocking a deer, glass em bed, em stock, ’em doing everything they were taught to do, which is such a great thing for a dad to hear. Right. And then he gets in there with him and he gets in tight and the deer’s gotta get up. He gets up anyway, comes a little bit more crossman. It’s an old deer, giant body deer. And he had left the group. And anyway, so he, but he was like, he, he was betted, he’s like, they’re like dad, he’s betted with the wind to his back and he can see in forward, right. So he can see downwind, but he’s got the wind to his back. Was that like Friday or Saturday? Saturday was that big. The big winds. Yeah. Yeah. And so thing, anyway, and I’m like this dare he, they might have a chance. Well anyway, he comes over and then he gets their wind kitty corner, whatever, and then blow and yada yada. So on his way back, Justin’s like, oh, I see a little jackrabbit. You know, and he’s gonna, it’s gonna just be a kid cut one loose. Yeah. You know what’s, what’s an arrow? A hundred dollars. He cares.
00:41:50:25 –> 00:42:57:03
So anyway, I’m just like, bump the brakes, you know. Anyway, he pulls back and he gets, let’s say halfway right in the heat or of the draw about the right, the heavy part of the draw. And his dlo brakes. And he’s had shoulder surgery on his right shoulder. This would be his left. And he’s right handed. So this is one you’d hold your bow with. And I mean, it, it goes off and he hits himself in the face and it threw his shoulder dislocate the shoulder dislocated. He had to put it back in. And the doctor had told him, we’re gonna have to do that other shoulder at some point. Dude, he’s been in a sling and this is, this is one week before he is getting going on this, the elk, archery elk. And I’m like, okay, well, you know, Utah has the infamous crossbow exemption and but, but you don’t want to do that. Like, it’s not no, not not an archery hunt thing. Like I want like killing it with a bow that you practice with all year. It’s just different, you know what I mean? And so anyway, I’m like, and you don’t wanna turn it back because it was a gift. It was a lucky draw. Yeah. And turns out it was a lucky draw. We thought it was gonna be a somewhat of a forced draw or close to it. No, not even close.
00:42:57:03 –> 00:43:56:23
This year was a grabble of applicants. Oh yeah. You’re not turning it back. You’re losing point. Not turning it back. And he’s got a ton of, you know, great bulls found. He worked his guts out. I mean we went out and set up cameras and then dude, I loaded him up with OnX pens and he just crushed it. I was so proud of just working it. Glassing learning roads. Like he, he’s, he knows stuff. I’m, I don’t even, so now he’s kind of, he’s not shooting his bow. He got his bow fixed D dlo and yeah, he’s kind of letting heal up. He’s just letting a heel up and he’s like, and he’s got a doctor’s note to do the crossbow thing, but he’s not doing it. And I’m, and I’m glad Yeah. But he, the the doctor says hey, and he’s a good friend of ours and, and client all, you know, you know him well anyway. And he’s like, Hey, if you can pull it back then you’re fine. It’s not gonna do any more damage. Not gonna do any major damage otherwise we’re gonna have to deal with this though. We are gonna have to deal with this at some point. And so anyway, he’s just doing nothing, trying to nurse it back to health. Yeah. He doesn’t he deliver ice for his job? Yeah, he does. And he’s been doing it. He says whatever he can he drive. Yeah, he can drive.
00:43:57:01 –> 00:44:59:07
I mean there’s, I know, but he can do that. Like, he’s not hauling blocks, so it might be, I don’t know. I don’t know what he’s doing. He has been working and, but he’s in a halfway in a sling, you know, doing the best he can. So anyway, there you have it. Just trying to, I mean, we’re still doing it. We’re not giving it back no matter what. So I think he’ll, he’s gotta be able to draw his bow one time, maybe two or three times, who knows? In the backyard. You never know how that goes. But you don’t want the first thing time he draws a bow back to be at a light belt. I don’t know. He might, might be. He might be. So I’ve prepped him. You might be sleeping in a blind, like he’s got some, anyway, he’s gonna learn. This is, there’s gonna be some, there’s gonna be a lot of learning on this. So we’re looking forward to it. It should be, should be great. And then just a lot of, a lot of scouting here in Utah and whatnot. So things are gonna get ramped up for our family here shortly. John, how are you doing? I hate archery, honey. Wow. Hey, it’s not the pumpkin patch. Join the club. There’s nobody glassing in front of you when you were worried about drawing a bow back. No, I’m, I’m just tired man. Yeah, I’m like driving two hours.
00:44:59:13 –> 00:46:07:06
So I get up at three drive. Yeah. And then come back and you’re like, welcome to my world hunting Nevada for the past 15 years. Yeah. It’s terrible. You’re going on three, four hours of sleep road. Well you’re trying to be dad, husband of the year, so you’re like, it’s close enough, you can come back. But when it’s that close, it’s still 45 each way, if not an hour. And then you’re working in the middle of the day doing all kinds of honey, do projects, working at the office to bed, get to bed at 11, you’re up at 4, 4 30. That, and that’s your rot routine. It’s terrible. It’d be better if I, you know, took your trailer out, took a camp out, and just made a real run out of it. But I, I wonder, wonder if archery hunter’s lives are shorter on average, because probably they’re dealing with the lack of sleep for a month or two. Yeah. John’s trying to get a magazine out, like he said this week and Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, so we’re, yeah. Welcome to being an old guy. You know that these young fellas screw it off in Alaska doing whatever they want. I’m just wondering, is it just the age or like every day? Like once shoulder hurts, then the older shoulder hurts, then, you know, depends on which one you slept on. All right. Can I still pull it back? Okay. Shoot a couple. Okay.
00:46:07:06 –> 00:47:15:19
I can still pull it back. We’re good. Well, anyway, yeah. So anyway, a lot going on. And then Logan, you’ve been scouting like heck up there hunting with your dad. Yeah, going good. Getting ready to leave again for the weekend. It’s going good. Yep. Getting ready to bust out that hunt. I’m excited for it. We’re pumped. Yeah. Good. Been learning a whole new way to hunt. Different than I’ve ever done before. So the WB special. The WB special. Hey, how about, how about you ask for an onyx pin and you drive there and there’s a giant standing there. I know. How about that from you? Hey. Yeah. Wow. Well, it was a gift on my part. I mean, meaning I didn’t know the but was there, I gave him a pen and he goes, dude, dead on. I’m like, okay, good looking clearing. I gave you three plant pens. Which one? Tell me more. Update me. Give me the real pin. Yeah. There for a minute. I just thought you knew everything. I was like, holy cow. I do Logan. That’s right. Yeah. How could I forget? All right, so anyway, you seen any elk? No. Haven’t seen an elk. We have not had a single report of an elk up there. That’s crazy. Just like, just like, hey, while I was in Alaska, you in reached me about, needed my login for Arizona to put in for those new limited Ries. I know. Okay.
00:47:16:04 –> 00:48:25:25
Those came and went. Did we get any calls from anybody that won them? Zero. But your card was charged and you’re welcome. And the email and the email says that everybody’s been notified. It’s not true because I wasn’t notified and nobody we’ve heard, I mean, nobody gets those tags. Wyatt says it doesn’t happen. I mean, come on. I am on Wyatt side. Just put a first initial last initial And city or, or a state or do it on like the rapid tag. Come on, do something. Come on. Anyway. Prove us wrong. So, Logan, I talked to your dad. He’s, we’ve got him going again. He’s super excited. Again, the the pressure is what changes that hunt. Yes. The difference, the difference between You mean the other hunting other hunters? Yes. Other hunters. Like you, you, you, you found a big deer. That’s great. The big deer has yet to be seen since the hunt started. Right. That’s, that’s the way it goes. Yep. Right. Yeah. They’re, they’re smart bucks down there. They deal with the pressure a lot, so they know what to do. So, but it’s gonna change. ’cause now people have Yep. Gone home. Yeah. We only Yep. We only had a weekend to hunt the first. Just barely. And we’re gonna go down there and kill it for a whole week. Good. Get those weekdays where it’s a little bit lighter and I think it’s gonna go really good.
00:48:25:26 –> 00:49:28:05
Dad said he needed new brakes and new tires. He did? Yeah. That was slow rolling. The pines was a squeaky mess probably. Oh yeah. It was terrible. Yep. Well, just after Turbo truck do for rolling The Pines. Oh yeah. We gotta go back to that. They did not like the turbo. That little V six is silent. And when you’re going that slow and you accelerate just a little, all you can hear, those two little turbos are Yeah. And then they just perk up and run. And they, they were, I didn’t see a single deer. Well, that’s not true. I saw very few deer that weren’t running by the time I could see ’em. I think that high pitched this Eco boost. You got the eco boost. I, I got the Eco Boosto that V six. So anybody that likes to slow row the pints, don’t buy that. Don’t buy that. That low rumley, that old low Rumley V eight. I think your dad’s on the tundra on that old Yeah. 2000 Tundra that whatever. Yeah. That’s your dad. Okay. Sticking that by the way. Who sold you that truck? It’s Jason Carter. Special best truck you’ve ever owned. Best truck in the family. How many people have I vehicle? It was just thinking that like, the people, it’s kinda like the the reach of your trucks is crazy. It is pretty astounding.
00:49:28:05 –> 00:50:32:13
Literally, Paul’s told me that’s like the best truck you guys have owned Best Truck, John. Yep. And I, I had a choice. I had a choice. We had two, two of the exact same tundras. One came from another guy and one came from Jason. And I was talking to my, he said, you can pick whatever one you want, buy it, and then I’ll buy the other one. I said, well, Jason’s Jason, you know, uses, he’s hard on his crap. Yes. Jason’s pretty hard on trucks and, but dude, I buy new stuff for him all the time. And you know what? That thing has not had problems until very recently and my truck gone. Okay, there you go. There you have it. I knew that white one was a piece of crap. My white one. Yeah. Yeah. I didn’t, I love that truck one. I actually didn’t know that they’re, they’re good trucks. But anyway, that was just circumstantial. The downside to mine, it was maroon A I hate that. And BI don’t like, I don’t like maroon. Your F-150 looks nice, but not, not the tundra. And the paint was sun bleached. Like it’s gone. Right. Those t those old Toyotas, they just, the, the paint is miserable. There’s a couple cans of Bedliner in the garage for, for that sun bleach. I talked him out of it so far. We’ll see how long it goes. All right. So we got a lot going on.
00:50:32:13 –> 00:51:36:11
It’s not even September yet. And I’m, we’re out. I, I mean, I mean, I’ve been bow hunting deer, got back from Canada, had like four or five days and I mean, it’s just been nonstop. Thanks for taking, thanks for holding down the fort. Everybody. I mean, well, I mean, and you’re coming in the middle of the day here and there. I, I am now. It’s fun. It wasn’t for those three weeks, but I mean it’s, but dude, it’s been fun. Like we, we lost up a heck of a deer today. It’s, it’s, it’s, I mean it’s stuff’s straight. It’s just, it’s bow hunting. Some days it doesn’t matter. You see the deer’s still not a play on the deer. It’d because of what they did, where they went or where they got gone with that e every day. Yeah. A lot of pressure. A lot of interesting pressure. Bronson, are we going down this road? Well, we don’t have to. Just, just to, I’m just gonna say we’ve seen a lot of interesting things. Okay. Okay. Well some, maybe we’ll talk about some interesting tactics that may or may not be legal. Exactly. Alright. It’s fun though. Very, it’s fun though. But you start to realize for your eyes, honestly, you start to realize there’s so few tags on the unit. The reason why is they want quality and there’s loads of bucks.
00:51:36:13 –> 00:52:47:27
So you’d think it could handle the tags, but with the technology and the, and the commercialized pressure’s, people not willing to give up what they’ve had for a long time, basically. Yeah. And then, and the, and the crossbow exemptions and things like that. These deer don’t live, man. No. Like they, they, they’re taking a, a scalpel and extracting the very top end of the entire unit each and every year. And you can see it. You can see it. But anyway, it’s, it’s an awesome still been. Oh. And we’re not even halfway through. I love it. I love it. Not at four in the morning. I mean, you know. Yeah. I’m a, I’m a monster and a half in by eight o’clock in the morning. Where we at? So let’s, let’s, we don’t have, I can’t believe it’s only been 52 minutes. Well, let’s, let’s just, let’s do a few of these questions. Let’s do this. Let’s, let’s throw out, let’s, okay, we’ll talk about Outdoor Edge real quick. Yeah. We’ve been longtime partners with Outdoor Edge. We appreciate the support of us here at Epic Outdoors. We’ve had several giveaway knives that we’ve given away. Replaceable blade knife, as well as our, our new knife that we have out there. And we’ll probably do another promo for that this next year. But make great products, whether you’re way looking for a foldable fix blade or a straight, straight fix blade, a replaceable knife.
00:52:47:27 –> 00:53:55:07
They’ve got, got it. For everything. I mean, they literally do. So check ’em out. Outdoor re.com. You know, one of the knives that they’re talking about right now is this razor vx. It’s pretty awesome. Very versatile knife there. We’ve got an ad on that in this page, 65 of our August, September magazine, if you wanna check that one out. But check ’em out on the website too. They got the QR code in there and can read up about that, about that as well. Why don’t you dive into this, this Hoyt ad, just because we’re right in the middle of archery season and you’ve been using ’em. I’m I’m shooting ’em. Justin’s shooting them. Like Yeah, let’s do it. Absolutely. We, everybody here shoots a Hoyt. We, we love ’em. They’re, they’re smooth draw. They’re, they’re snappy. They look great. I, I mean, I can’t say enough. We’ve, we’ve said it over and over. I’ve got two in camp. Fortunately something goes wrong with one of ’em. You throw a D loop in camp and don’t want to run back to town to get one ba you know, I’ve got another bow there. But they’re awesome. Make, you know, they’ve always been a cut above. They’re obviously a Utah based company. Yeah. We’ve been good partners of ours here at Epic Outdoors. So we got rid of all of bows that we, that we give away in our giveaways and things like that.
00:53:55:12 –> 00:55:02:28
But everybody who shoots a Hoyt usually doesn’t, doesn’t find themselves asking for more. I mean, they usually, and I’m, I’m, I’m very easily to admit this, they all shoot better than I can shoot. And part of that’s just ’cause maybe I’m getting older and hotter and I haven’t c cranked my bow down in 15 years. Have you, have you yet still shoot 70 pounds? ’cause I started shooting that. It’s a 30 5-year-old. Yeah, but I mean, hey, but hey, you held a draw for 80 seconds. 80 seconds the other day. How about that? And I didn’t know, although you, I was gonna shoot, probably weren’t capable of making an accurate shot after those 80 seconds. That’s another story for I, Hey, hey. Nick did get Nick. Yeah, he did. But, but I mean, they do have a great let off. I will say that you’re not hold, I’m, when we started shooting compounds, Jason Mur Young, you’re not holding money for like, you held 50% of it back then. Yeah. Like literally they were 50% let off. Remember they were trying to outlaw like 75 or 80 plus. They like hoping you starting to look whether was this really legit or should we put more parameters on that? It was so long. Let’s put it this way.
00:55:03:07 –> 00:56:07:23
’cause when I drew back on the, on this deer immediate I got and, and this thing is so dead, he’s like 30 yards feeding, looking away when I draw back. Like just what you, he wants to pee. Yeah. Just what you don’t want. And this thing has a bladder size of fricking this table. Yeah. I been, I’ve been enclosed for two hours on him. So like, he needs to get up and do that. Yeah, but I mean, you, you draw, you know, I didn’t, I didn’t think he was gonna, I didn’t see even a bush he was feeding on, but he starts eating on something, so I had to slide over. It may be, it may be too soon to talk about this story. It might hit a little close to home at the moment. Doesn’t matter, huh? But I did see the, I did see the sliced hair ride at his withers. Anyway, alright, we’ll keep going. So anyway, long story short. Yeah. I draw and, and like when you draw on an animal and they don’t see you like an elk, like a deer, and they’re onto you, that, that, that elicits a little bit of target panic. Yes. Or, oh, I gotta cut. I gotta, I gotta find this pin. I gotta cut one loose. Even though, even though you’ve got all day. Well you think, but no, what I mean is draw back if a deer, an elk sees you Yes.
00:56:07:27 –> 00:57:11:09
That look is like, oh crap, I gotta, I gotta, I can’t sit there for 10 seconds. Yes. And breathe and do all this slow release. And, but when they’re not looking at you, it just feels like you’ve got all, they’re so dead. Like, and as soon as I come to full draw, he lifts his head and, and takes two steps. And now he’s his head’s up and he squats and he’s peeing and he’s got a full bladder. And I don’t, and I can’t see his body. I can see his butt and his head’s poking at a brush. And I’m like, okay, this is gonna get interesting. So I’m just holding normal for a while. ’cause his head’s up. And then, you know, as he starts finishing up, I’m like, this is ’cause kill. You’re he he doesn’t know I’m there. Oh yeah. And I’m like, if he takes a couple steps, I could still kill him. And then he buries his head in a bush right there. And I’m like, okay. So I jam my cam into the ground kind of to the dirt just to get a little, just to give me something to shove against a little bit so it’s not air. Yeah. And now I’m holding it down here and I’m like, okay, if I, if I shoot this thing, the arrow is just gonna hit the dirt and it’s, the knocks gonna be like six inches from my face.
00:57:12:08 –> 00:58:15:25
I’m thinking of all these bad things. And finally he buries it and finally I’m like, here we go. And sometimes, you know Yeah. When you’re weak, when when you’re shaken and you let off, it can be kind of violent. It it, you know what I mean? You know what I’m saying? Well, I know. Exactly. Yeah. And so finally it came down smooth. He doesn’t, and, but now I’m like, okay, now you’re out. Oh yeah. Now I’m just like, okay, you, you’re fatigued. And then pretty soon, because it starts walking, I’m like, ah, come back. And then, and that time he is just walking and I did that old, you know. Yeah. Pray, shoot and pray. No. The just, ah, you know, and he stops. And what does he do? Because he wasn’t gonna stop. And anyway, when you don’t have time to range you sometimes Yeah. You gotta arrange every time. Yeah. But it’s a bummer sometimes you, you can’t, you can’t. I know. But you didn’t even have time to range the bushes in front of him around him. No. So like, you were even, and it was close enough that it’s not like I was lobbing and open a prayer, but like, you know, five to 10 yards off is the difference of nicking or not. You might’ve should have had a crossbow provision. Like you could have, it would’ve been dead 14 times over. No. Huh.
00:58:16:12 –> 00:59:19:27
You know, you know what I think about that When you need one of those, you’re now a gun hunter for this of your life. Okay. Well hold on Justin mean he might be. He might. He does. He does not want to give this out. I know. Well, I know. I’m just saying. Yeah. I know for me personally, when I can’t, part of, part of hunting with a bow, for me, especially mule deer Yeah. Is the thrill of being that close to something. And when it happens, there’s nothing For me and Jason, you’ve killed way more big deer than me with a bow. But there is nothing, there’s nothing like it on the, on the spectrum of killing an animal, like killing a big mule deer with a bow, with a vertical bow. There’s nothing like the adrenaline rush. That’s right. The sense of satisfaction that oh my gosh. I, it’s like the less that 99.9% of stuff had to come together to make it happen. Yeah. Is what it feels like a lot of the time. I mean, last year, and I said this joking, this year, last year I killed the deer, the first deer. So this year I thought, oh, I’m gonna probably have to hunt 13 days this year to make the average of seven day hunt. ’cause last year I hunted one and, and we’re getting close to 13 days. Last year was a gift. Yeah. It was a total gift.
00:59:19:27 –> 01:00:21:00
And I said, I mean, you were a freaking hero. I’m like, I’m a hero to the office. I’m here working. I’m a I’m an office. I have no problems. I have no problems. I’m a hero at home because I’m, I’m coming home, honey. I got lots of food. You get to see me again. And in this case, I was in Canada for three weeks. Come home for five. Makes you wonder if the women are like, oh, he only lasted one day out there. She’s no. Or if they’re like, but I’ve gotta act excited that he’s coming home. Or if they’re truly excited, we got, we got good. I know. We know that. But I, I know. I’m just trying to, I kinda like John, you’re trying to be everywhere at once. The best dad, he’s something for John’s got the trophy. You’re not taking it from you. He’s dad of the year. Yeah. Every year. Well, I’m just talking about he’s he’s wearing himself out. ’cause he is driving in and out every single day when he admits if I had a camp, it’d probably be a little bit more enjoyable. He’s got some other things in the magazine. You know, he’s not Well the problem John has is he’s gonna, he’s gonna take starlink with him or he’s gonna take that great big antenna for his cellular phone. So he never is out. You need to go where you have no service. This is true.
01:00:21:12 –> 01:01:20:28
And your inReach is dead. There’s true, there’s true for that. Like in, like in Canada it’s really good. I mean that it is. I was about three weeks into the no monster when I went to Canada. And then you’re cold Turkey for another three weeks. There’s nothing back there. Yeah. And pretty soon it’s over. They say you do 21 days or something. You, you’re cleansed. Oh. And you’ve broke the addiction. Yeah. If you’re 21 days clean, you’re clean. Is that what you’re saying? I don’t, this is the honest truth. December 15th, you’re back in boss. I guarantee you I could be, but this is the honest truth to, I don’t even think about ’em anymore. I don’t even think about Do you want to be Monster Clean? I don’t Who wants to be Monster Clean? I don’t think it’s kind of a self what mastery thing, I guess. Oh geez. I started, I’m thinking I’m, it started because I’m training for this hunt. I’m like mastering the natural man. Well call it what you want. But, but I, I wasn’t getting in as good as shape as I thought I was. So you had to give it up. And I’m like, I’m just gonna cut, cut out, pop and Yeah. Monster. See if, if it helps. And it, it, it couldn’t have hurt. I mean, I’m sure.
01:01:21:02 –> 01:02:34:01
And now it’s just like, okay, if I’m not needing it to save my life, like stay awake, I’m just gonna not well enough, enough free talk because it’s not resonating. I’m not shame anybody resonating with me at all. Not this came out of one morning on the mountain when I’m like, I’m huffing and puffing too much. I should not, I should be in better shape than this. Yeah. Okay. All right. Let’s, I’m the question reader guy. And so I can see why Josh has skipped some of these and he’s probably made some up. Who knows. Yeah. But anyway, Bronson, John, Logan, and Cash, these are for you. This is for you guys. If you could wave a magic wand, what steps would you take to help meal their herdz? Check. Take the, I think the, you could rain. Okay. Let it rain. That’s one. So pray. Pray. Okay. Yeah. Pray. And, and there was a, there was a biologist, I’ve said it before. He said Pray for rain. And there was other people that said, that’s the, that’s a scapegoat. It is. Hey, I believe that. It’s the number one thing. And then I honestly, okay, go ahead. You can’t change. There’s certain things you can’t change. Like, hey, get rid of all the people in highway. So we have no mortality. But I would say get rid of every, every coyote. Every coyote. Okay. 10 80, bring back 10 80.
01:02:34:03 –> 01:03:40:07
Well there’s, there’s, I just kill rid of every coyote kill. Well you can’t kill the coyotes without killing the eagles. I’ve got a magic wand. Remember? Oh, I like it. That’s true. That’s true. So I like it. And and you might just lump predators, like if it can rain Yeah. And they survive. Which those are factors we had, we did have less people. We did less highway mortality in the fifties, sixties. But we also had, we had things like 10 80 and others 10 80 to just annihilate predators. And when it rained and you could and you were consistent pre on predators. They, they, they, that’s what they did. And it was, and it’s directly related. Those, those ebbs and flows Yeah. Directly were correlated with 10 80. The use of 10 80. Yeah. A hundred percent seventies in a lot of places. But you know, but now we, we live in the whatever century this is since they call this 21st century, it is for the last 24 years. So, and you, and you’re not freaking using 10 80 ever again. So, you know, but if we could do something about the predators, great. That’s always gonna be there. Well, I was talking to Gary while we’re glassing this morning and it was kind of interesting. You know, it’s true.
01:03:40:08 –> 01:04:47:06
If we could do something, we’ve, we’ve have certain areas that have ebbed and flowed and you can level those out a little bit if you can take care of the lines. We have one area that the lions have annihilated it. Yeah. And we talked about specific numbers that we’ve kind of isol call ’em isolated places and Yeah. We know it was that because we were seeing them. Yeah. We, the track, the sign and tracks were everywhere. And then at some point the population goes to nothing of of deer. Lions quit coming there. The lions leave and then fire. Five to 10 years after that, deer start doing They’re pro pro. Yeah. They, they proliferate and they, they’re good. Everything’s good. And then the lions come back. And so you have these ebbs and flows and it’s nice to level those out. Smash the lions, have a little longer time with plenty of deer, a little less with no deer. But then you’ve gotta deal with the weather, like John was saying. Yeah. You still have to have that. Weather will trump a lot, but, so you’ve got the wand. We’re doing the predators. What about Yeah. What, what else I what else? I can’t, can’t whatcha you gonna do management wise? I want us, so now let’s go right into the management. Just short answers. Doesn’t have to be forever. ’cause we have vetted this out a bit. What, what would you do management wise? Hmm.
01:04:49:20 –> 01:06:04:12
Stuff that we can really control. I would let, I would let more, if you had to pick some of these, I’ll call ’em a few of these crazy ideas that some people throw out about recur bows and you old s your old mu old lever action guns and all that stuff. Come on, come on, let’s get serious. I mean, that stuff is hokey po hokey space, you know. Well, but I mean like a four pointer better or something. If you, and, and I know all everybody says there’s wasting and there could be, but in theory, if you can let e quote every yearling buck at least live, there’s gonna be a lot more bucks the next year on the landscape for a lot of 2-year-old bucks, you know, for people. And they get a little smarter each year. Yeah. And they do. I I and I in general, I’ve never really hunted a place with antler point restrictions for deer. I, I don’t think I have. And maybe when we were young in Utah, when we were young, maybe they did. I I don’t remember. Didn’t we do it on the book Cliffs? Well you hunted there. I didn’t. So I’m talking where I’ve hunted myself. Yeah. So that would be one. I mean, just short term to recruit bucks, which, which I know, I mean, is is not popular. ’cause a lot of people say, Hey, bucks are, bucks are a waste and all that.
01:06:04:12 –> 01:07:09:24
But I, I still contend if, if you’re not providing a good enough experience for youth hunters or new hunters, all that to give them tags. Everybody get kids hooked on hunting. Well if the hunting stinks so bad and you’re not getting they and they try it for three or four years and they don’t have a good experience hook and now, now you didn’t hook ’em and so they’re never coming back. Yeah, you could actually, so you make that argument. So it’s not just give a piece of paper to someone so they can go to, you can, you can do that with cow elk or, or spike elk or whatever. You got opportunities to hunt. But I would say management wise, I’d do that. You might have some short, short-lived season length restrictions. We’ve done that in the past. Both the southern region, Southeastern, there was one year I hunted the San Southeastern region. That rack approved a five day season for all three hunts. And I had a southeastern tag that year, lifetime, five day archery hunt done five day muzzle. I’m telling you, five day rifle. We saw an uptick. Okay. And they did it in the southern region. We saw an uptick here. And, and and I It’s not the long term solution. No, but that might, that might be the, you might get the same thing. That you might get the same results as a four pointer better.
01:07:09:24 –> 01:08:12:28
Those are just three things that your mind. Well, New Mexico has five day gun hunts. Yeah. Everything except for bow. Yeah. Yeah. Gun hunts, rifle and muzz. Yeah. There’s a couple sevens. I think yours might be a seven or five. Some of those weird ones are fives and sevens around the state. But anyway, but yeah, so it’s interesting. I think I, we saw an uptick in numbers and quality on the five when they did the five day. But then, but the outcry, the public dealing with the public was just pretty well it was. ’cause then you don’t get two weekends of a deer hunt when you don’t, the family tradition’s gone. Yeah. I mean you hear everything, but I mean, there’s gotta be give if, if. But anyway, I, I still think the rain and predators and I know predators and I still think, I mean well, and I think if we can generate some cash, which we are good at it here in Utah, there’s a lot of, there’s a lot of funds and ways to generate money. But I like, like if we were to high fence this highway 56, then they’ve got some of these overpasses and underpasses down in ponds and the overpass over here at Beaver. It’s a, it’s amazing. Over on Highway 89, how many dead deer there are. Or, or were Have you been noticed? Especially this, this like right now, this time of year, like I’m not talking down.
01:08:12:28 –> 01:09:09:04
Oh no, I’m talking the mountain from the under, from Pengu to, there’s lows Glenda Lauder. Dude, how many Every day? I cannot believe I haven’t wiped up the truck already because I’ve, I’ve made the trip 10 or 10 or something times. Okay. Here’s another story. I got pulled over the other night. Yeah. That cops coming my way. I didn’t know it’s a cop. It’s pitch black. You’re rolling through 80. Like it’s your job. It’s 75. Okay. So, but he, I don’t know, he might listen to the podcast. So I’m gonna keep it nice, but flips on his lights and comes up and says, Hey you a little fast and you had your light bar on. And I says, well yeah. He says, well I don’t know if it’s against the alarm. I if you’re supposed to run these on highways. And I said, well, I don’t need Did you say he doesn’t know? I said I, I said I don’t, I don’t either, but I, at my age it’s on or I’m gonna smash a deer there ever. He goes, I would too. And he says to you, I don’t know if it’s legal or not. Yeah, yeah. Exactly. Who does that? Who says that? And I said, I thought I turned. He says, yeah, you, you did. But he says, I just not, not sure it’s not, you know, maybe not safe.
01:09:09:07 –> 01:10:20:03
And I’m like, well I’m using it ’cause it’s worse for me to plow a deer. You know, going 75. I got a warning. But you did for what? Speeding. Yeah. 10 over. Okay. Well you’re lucky. Yeah. It’s because he admitted he didn’t know a rule and he brought it up. Like, don’t even bring it up if you don’t know a guy. Well there are, there are some that light bars that you can get that are below a certain threshold. I know. But those and they’re street, why even put those on? I know. But he might have been saying, I’m not sure if yours is okay. I’m saying burn the retina. Exactly. I don’t know. But I mean that is, there’s stretcher roads here. There’s reason why I get like worse. There’s a lot of fawns that are dead. I’ve, I, I mean so many Adam. Every day, every day. You know I was gas highway 1289. We were gassing up at Todd’s Junction one night. Aaron was there. You were probably there. Oh I was Did you hear that freaking commotion? Right out on the highway. Semi obliterated a deer right out in front of you. Todd’s while we’re gas out there. I mean and right pull out there. And it looked like Texas chainsaw massacre. I’m just saying overpasses and underpasses. If I’m telling you if we could save, you could save the mamas, you’re gonna make a difference.
01:10:20:10 –> 01:11:27:03
’cause they’re having a pair of fons every single year. Yeah. And those are having fawns and those funds. It doesn’t take long. Yeah. Anyway, so we got that. I don’t know how we’re gonna fix that. ’cause we’re just getting more and more people. It’s just gonna get worse and worse and worse on every highway. It just has for the last 40 years. Yeah. Then you’d be accused against hunting high fences if you got a high fence down one side of the road. How about that? Exactly. Yeah. All right. So anyway. Cash. I’m trying think Oh think magic wand. Cash. What do you guys say? I wanna talk one real quick to add on before I forget and then we’ll go, we’ll jump right into more discussion. But does antler point restriction? There’s been biologists contend that the four pointer better forces somebody to really analyze what they’re shooting. Can’t shoot a four, he hoping a three. Yeah. Or whatever. And leave them lay and go kill the next one. And also found a lot of do dead. You’d just be surprised that hunter’s not checking. Yeah. Hunter’s just shooting and praying. Yeah, exactly. And walking away. And so I’ve heard all that you take care of the mamas as best you can. Make sure every dough lives as, you know what I mean? If possible. That’s why I say it’s an alternative. It’s maybe short term season date.
01:11:27:05 –> 01:12:40:00
I mean, you, you know, there you’re done honey. But we’ve been grasping at straws at like, and John and everybody here. Like we know, we’ve been through these processes of, of curtailing the weapons, curtailing the season day cur. We’ve gone through every scenario possible. Every, none of it’s made it dramatic out. And, and the hunters are willing to, a lot of hunters, not everybody, but willing to self check and be like, for the betterment of game. We, we do need to analyze technology tactics, things like that. So I don’t know. We’ve dealt with some of that, but obviously it’s on people’s minds. Well if you guys had a magic wand, I’m gonna go with something a little bit different. Okay. Might edit this. Where are we at? Might be dumb. No, I think if you split the state into three, maybe four regions and took and shut down all of the gun hunts in one unit, in each of those regions and cycled through the regions. Okay. I like the, had an had an archery and a muzz loader hunt max. Just to limit. Just so you’d effectively cut, cut tags in over half that unit. Right. For that specific unit. Yeah, for that specific. And then just cycle through that one. Gets a year off that one gets a year off da go through. I think after time you would see an effect.
01:12:40:14 –> 01:13:50:18
We could, through the five basic, we could put five damn Pine Valley and then swap it out. Do Zion Day. Well you’re kind of getting there the same way. You’re basically looking at saving the young bucks. Yeah. Right. Because for 80, 90% of the people shoot yearling and 2-year-old bucks on general deer hunt. That’s just what they shoot. So you’re just saying let ’em live. So there’s many ways to do that, but that’s a different way, I’m sure. Yeah. Just something a little different. I like it. Yeah. John got, he already said rain, make rain. Oh, rain. Yeah. Okay. What did you say? Do you got anything else since we’ve been talking? No, I, I do. I like all of the others. I like the rotating, I like the, you know, all that. You know, Bronson, what did you say? Jason? Jason, you were in your, in your era, you did see the San Juan closed for like five years. Oh yeah. And the Henry’s and the Henry’s and the gon and the Go Cliffs and the Ponson. Yeah. All, all those were closed. And remember they were closed. They were all in general season. When they opened back up, it was like, what do you want to call it? Chia Pet. What? Well, they just had immediate age and they also, they weren’t closed for the reason of let’s try to make these awesome Ry No, they were all general seasons.
01:13:50:18 –> 01:14:57:12
Lack of deer, San Juan, elk Ridge books, Henry’s book, cliffs Ponson were general season hunts until they were closed. They were just too vulnerable. Partially, you look at each unit, they’re, they’re different. They’re much different. Henry’s had higher deer numbers then than now. But it’s generally it’s a desert mountain range that pops up. Yes. And if you just high elevation, but in the middle of the desert. Yeah. And if you went out there and just crushed it general, you could see how the deer numbers are not incredibly high. Like gon they migrate to the southern end just like the Zion does. Yeah. And you can crush, you could crush that unit in the late rifle hunt. Oh, oh yeah. And then you had the late, late Uz mz, which is my favorite ever On a general. Yeah. Remember Ponts General? I mean, geez. So, so I’m just saying closing them, like when you close ’em for five years, you see huge, huge. But they’re, I contend the public could not handle it. No, I could not. They can’t handle it. Let’s see, the first buck, two, two years later when they saw the first buck on that unit that had a cheater, that’s the first cheater they’ve ever seen in their life on that unit. Because the deer were growing. They’d lose their mind if they need to reopen, lose their mind, lose their mind. This, this unit doesn’t grow bucks with cheaters.
01:14:57:19 –> 01:16:07:27
I saw 20 bucks tonight. We are not, we are letting a, a a, a great resource go to waste by not issuing a bunch of tags here. Yeah. This could have handled 19 tags. That’s why we’re, because one buck makes it. He breeds ’em all. I mean, have we not heard all of this? We’ve heard it all. Yeah’s one guys saying, let’s, let’s load the ponds with more tags. We’re letting resource waste. I mean we’re, we’re fighting against our own, you know? Yeah. Here. All right. Logan. I’d say mountain lion. I mean, I know Adam said predators, but personally mountain lion have, and I honestly think just messed me up, dude. It’s OTC with trapping. What do you, are you trap? I honestly think coyotes, I have traps collectively bigger. I want you to trap or do something. Trap a mountain lion. Yeah, for sure. What do you mean people are doing it left and right. Friends of ours. That’s awesome. I would do it in my backyard if I wasn’t afraid of getting a dog. A neighborhood dog, John. Yeah. John’s got Yes. John, you’ve got some tactics. All right, let’s move right along. So Bronson, this is gonna dovetail into this one for or against. And notice how I’m not throwing out the names. I don’t want, I want people to participate not thinking they’re worried about their name being bashed. Right. We’re already mixing up the question reader, guy rules.
01:16:07:27 –> 01:17:16:27
That’s who I don’t think Josh does it. Right. We’re gonna override him. We’re gonna override him today because he is not here. You want people to speak their mind. So, all right. So for or against trail camp seasons, are you okay with private land use, government studies, et cetera? I mean, how many, how many studies do we need to do? And that’s being abused here and there. People are getting a few little tidbits from I’m sure friends and family. I’m, I don’t, I I understand I guess pr private property. But you can’t spotlight on private property. You can’t bait on private property. You can’t What do you mean the spotlighting you can do without a v gun in your, well, during the hunt. Like, like with and kill a deer at night. Right. Okay. I mean, just ’cause hey, private property rights, you can’t, I can hunt deer on my property. I all want, so you’re saying all, there’s still rules on private property. The rules from public to private should be the same. I think in this case, I think it gives an advantage personally. And, and, and we all know there’s, there’s giant places in north northern Utah. You got DT 200 something thousand acres. Okay. Whatever. Yeah. But you can’t let them and not let somebody else. My point is ask, but you can get a 40 acre piece somewhere in the middle down here and surrounded by BLM.
01:17:16:27 –> 01:18:26:15
And you could learn a lot. You can, we’ve seen it. We’ve seen it during these hunts. I’ve seen cameras up still on pieces of private You drive right by a, it’s a checkerboard call it. And, and there’s a camera pointed on That’s true. Right there on water on the private. But true. It’s just, I would very frustrating. I I don’t have a problem with it if everybody plays by the rules. Yeah. That’s my problem with it. So if you’re gonna, so big game laws and rules should apply to everybody waiting cameras, everybody stop You hide weapon, the restrictions, whatever they may be. Yeah. You know, can’t use a 50 cow. What? Whatever the rules are. The rules. Private property, you have rights, but, but there are still laws on how you can harvest. You can’t hunt before or after sunset. I mean, there’s all laws. So you can’t just say, Hey, you can’t tell me I can’t run a camera on my property. So why, why allow the camera and, and not just let ’em use thermal imaging on, on rifles too. If it was really Yeah. Private land. Do whatever you want. We don’t say that. That’s not real. So why I don’t, so why cameras and not everything else. That’s right. Why not everything else in cameras? So, so I actually, and we’ve said this before on podcasts, like it’s a little nice to stop running cameras at a certain point.
01:18:26:19 –> 01:19:32:23
Oh, it wears us out. And if you look at John right now, if you’re, he looks like crap. If you checking cameras, John, you got white, your white face, you’re luck asleep, John, if you now you had to go check cameras all the day during the day out there. I don’t It does, it does give you something to do during the day. Oh, I love cameras in the middle of the day, you know, but I am Why it’s kind nice to be done. I was, I’m grateful long as everybody else is done. Okay. But if you’re not done, yeah. So at the end of the day, let’s just say everybody had the same rules. Would you be for against the trail camp season? I’m okay with it. No, I loved it. I really liked it during the elk hunting. Especially. You could be working wallows during the hunt. I killed bulls. The 3 85 out here in Southwest Desert came, I killed it because of a camera during the hunt. Exactly. So I like that on certain hunts. He came in to rut. I saw him and I went and smashed him. Yeah. With my friends. Dusty. And, but I fully acknowledge and understand and there’s other places, some places that they’re extremely vulnerable. Arizona Strip and other places that cameras change things dramatically. Dramatically. So, so what do you say? I love the cameras. I i running ’em for a season.
01:19:32:29 –> 01:20:37:16
I don’t think Arizona, I don’t think the whole camera. I don’t either put a season on ’em or something. Don’t Yeah. Let people run ’em. But but pull ’em down. But if I had to, it is gonna change the place if everybody plays by the rules. Yeah. It will change it for the better as far as quality. And I’m all about that. I like, that’s kind of what I’m saying. I like to wake up thinking you might see a two 80. Somebody doesn’t or somebody know. Shoot. How cool is that? Do you think during the archery season that it’s, it’s going to have a big impact on success rates? Oh no, I think people are gonna, people are shooting, people are opportunities. People’s standards have changed throughout the season. I’m just as unsuccessful, you know, now as I was then. And that’s what they’ll contend. They will contend that no matter what the muzzle restriction is, success is always, is very roughly the same. Yeah. So that these, these advances in technology don’t make a difference and it’s just not necessarily the case. That’s what I’m wondering. But back then there was not man mandatory check or mandatory reporting on top. And so the, the stats aren’t perfect, but it’s just like, but on top of that, my your your my expectations changed.
01:20:37:17 –> 01:21:38:23
Like I would Well yeah, you, you knew a 3 85 bull just to hear did now I’m g Galvan, I’m gonna go, I’m gonna kill that thing I did, but other, otherwise I might killed 40 or 50. Yeah, exactly. I might’ve so it, it, it make, you’d have still checked the box and killed an elk and see it didn’t matter to that guy killed them either. Success didn’t matter. It did. It doesn’t change. Success. Well, success on giants. Exactly. Like a, a strip is a great, you’re only hunting. Those guys are targeting the top 20% of the bucks. Most people at draw strip tags top the best of the best. That’s what you in, in a way. Like to see a few of those make it every year. And that’s what cameras will help. There was a guy, I was listening to podcasts. He made a very good point. He said out here on the strip we have, we used to run cameras and so all and and hundreds, right? So lots of cameras indicate, and I know some of the outfitters would run a lot of cameras and they should, I would too. And so anyway, they would know about, they would have a hit list X deep, let’s call it 20 bucks deep, 30 bucks deep. And so when you got tired of hunting buck A, you might move to buck B.
01:21:38:24 –> 01:22:50:12
If you got tired of hunting buck B, you might work, go to buck F or whatever it is. Right? And so you have this hit list to continue hunting new areas and freshen up your being your energy, right? That you got a new place, new, new, new glassing knobs, new everything. And now we’re back to feeling like we’re, we’re in the game. Whereas right now, you know, of two bucks or three bucks that you glassed up in the summer. And so you don’t have the, you don’t have the conviction. You don’t even know about buck F. Yeah. And so you don’t have the conviction to go hunt where Buck f might li might’ve lived. That’s what I’m saying. Yeah. And so now you’re really honed in on these couple of bucks, but you also have less pressure because other people don’t know about your bucks, but you don’t know about their bucks. And so it’s kind of changed the pressure, the competitive nature. And also I think, and in my mind, guys are willing to hunt a little bit lesser. ’cause we only know about two giants and we can’t turn ’em up. So now we see a 180 5, we’re gonna hunt it. Whereas, so you have a hit list of 25, 2 twenties or two fifteens or dual fives. But you Yeah, but the guy’s gonna kill a deer. So on the end That’s right. The fish game’s gonna say it didn’t change success at all.
01:22:50:20 –> 01:24:02:29
Well, it changed the success. The 200 to two 30 bucks, maybe that could be 2 50, 2 6. I contend we’re gonna see some of the on good wet years, it’s, you’re gonna see, you’re gonna reap the benefits or however you wanna call it, of, of feeling like the new world record might live out there. You know what I mean? Or whatever might wake up and see something just monumental. It will be interesting to see how you know the results. And I think bottom line, I like to see the change. Like just so they’re trying different stuff and you’ve got different things in different states. And I like where he, he I like that John, you know, I think that’s valid comment. And also he’s talking about, like, the part of the question was government studies. I’m so freaking sick and tired of studies. Do we not know something in the 21st century? Exactly. How many predator studies have we done Bronson since 1973. Okay. Do we not know that predators eat meat? We know this. Do we not know that bears have an impact? Bobcats have an impact on fonts. Do we not know this? Like, I’m so tired of it. We can’t do everything in the name of study, be done studying. We’re over it. We know the ponds got deer migrate. We know this. Do we need to know every little trail they use? You know, is that not gonna be abused in some fashion?
01:24:03:07 –> 01:25:05:04
I, I don’t know. Am I, am I just barking down roads that we shouldn’t be about? Adam as a biologist, let’s, I’m over it. If the biologist can’t talk to your outgoing B biologist, talk to the new biologist, tell him where they migrate to and be happy. We know this. We don’t need to, what’s it gonna change for management? They’re not willing to change anything. Yeah, I don’t, I don’t know. They’re gonna, they just want to issue more tags. The gal over here, the gal over here is making up numbers only surveying fields and places. She wants to, to make her numbers better, to give more tags. She doesn’t, this study did nothing for her. These studies do nothing. They do nothing. Am I wrong, Bronson? Just tell me. In that case, you’re not. And by the way, don’t cut that out of this podcast. All right. What do you think that’s the best general unit of southern part of the state though? Well, according to these fudge numbers that had nothing to do with studies that are going on. Okay. Get rid of the studies. We know enough. That’s whatever. Yeah. I’m not willing, that doesn’t change. I’m not willing to say like that. It’s not possible doesn, but a study could help something sometime, but I don’t think they are. But take the money and, and, and protect the highways and protect the fawns and let more do lift.
01:25:05:04 –> 01:26:07:17
Like take the money and do something else. These studies aren’t changing populations. That’s my, that’s my gig. I’m alright. Okay. Or figure out a way to kill less dose. Well just, just tell me I’m wrong in some fashion. And, and be the devil’s advocate. In some ways you’re not, I mean, there’s a lot of reincarnated studies doing the same thing. Different place, different era. There are things, there are changes in technology. Most specifically when I was a biologist, we had VHF callers. Okay. Those are pretty ru rudimentary. They just, you get a, you had to fly over them Yes. With a fixed wing to get a signal. But what’s the, to know whether there was even alive? Now they get GPS callers from your computer, you know, when something dies and you can say, I need to go fly and pick this up. I could see desert sheep in the escalante having callers making a difference on we have a lion problem. Things like in the escal things, you know, I that, so there are things like that, that, that change. Technology changes. But I mean, but jeez, you could you not go on the winter range and see your deer herds and see what, and, and have some common sense. Do we need to study ’em? Yeah.
01:26:07:18 –> 01:27:11:25
Well, and I, I, I think if you’re, if you’re trying to go after funding for a highway overpass, underpass, big bill, having ammunition of, hey, we’ve got, we’ve got GPS callers on X number of deer. This unit, here’s the hotspots. This is where we need to target. There’s things like that, that, that, so not, not all studies are, are a waste of time. I’m with you. Coyotes, eat fawns. I’m, I’m so sick of hearing that. I’m so sick of hearing that. I mean, it’s fun to put a collar on a fawn and, and watch it be dead 30 days to a well. And you’re paying a biologist Kate, even though he’s on, let’s call it salary and he’s got a certain amount of hours, but he’s gotta go out there and deal with it. We have a dead one. We’re gonna go out and decide what killed it. Some of those, some of those things are getting a little bit, I mean, man, we’ve done, we’ve, and I like the information’s interesting, but it’s only interesting the dudes have, it’s also cost you money. You, you don’t have it, you don’t have the information. I mean, you’re gonna, you kind of get what you’re told and what the general overview. 20,000 people maybe when you start grammar requesting some stuff. Well, I mean whatever.
01:27:12:00 –> 01:28:20:05
All right, here’s a fun couple questions and then, and then one more deep one and then, dude, I’m over this freaking podcast. Okay, here we go. Colorado ZR ZR two or a Toyota Tacoma. Bronson, you and I both had 2018 Tacomas over ’em, right? Had it for about nine months. My back’s never been the same. They’re, it’s not even a comparison. Your knees are in your freaking chin. I mean, that’s not even comparison to get a Toyota Tacoma to have everything that the ZR two has from the factory front lockers, I mean front rear lockers, the suspension and everything. Have you ever looked and maybe they’re better. The shocks on a, on a stock Toyota Tacoma. Okay, how big a round are they? Oh my pinky. Yeah. The rods my, my, I mean, geez. So it’s not even a comparison. And hey, if you want to, but let’s go for a ride sometime. I could be, it’s true. I’ve taken two and the backseat of a Tacoma, you guys remember they’re, they’re, they’re tiny compared to the ZR two. The ZR two is, is pretty handle. It comes with a little bit of a lift compared to a normal Chevy Colorado. It comes with the suspension. I, I added a leaf, I had a leaf spring in the back. I love that. It’s best thing I ever did. Best riding little truck.
01:28:20:15 –> 01:29:21:25
But from the factory that you get, and I’m not a big, you know, Amar, I mean there’s a lot of things when you start doing that, sometimes certain trucks aren’t made for it, but when it comes from the factory it’s like it’s, everything’s covered under one. But Tacoma’s, there’s a lot of Nevada was built off Tacoma. It is. And, and they, and here, hey, they have the best resale value. Okay. But that is true. It is. But I, if you’re me, I don’t, you’re a kid that’s, that’s you really concerned about the resale and you should be buy a freaking Toyota do it. Nothing holds up to like that. I sold your, I sold you guys that truck for nothing. Yes. In fact, I want money back when you guys sell, sell it. You should have it. You should have it. Alright, keep going brother. But I mean, so I hear that thrown out a bunch. But I guess, man, I think you have a lot of deficiencies to just have that in the back of your mind. Well, when I’m ready to get rid of this, I’m gonna get more than what I am. My Colorado. Yeah, you’re gonna have a little bit of money in back braces. Okay. And then what do you think about the Colorado Chevy Colorado? I like it. Cash. I like it a lot. What about the Tacoma? Plenty of friends’ house.
01:29:21:25 –> 01:30:23:04
I, I had a 2008 Tacoma when I first moved to Cedar. That’s a year. It was, it was great just for what I was doing. But it like looking back now, like I would hands down have a a zero two or the truck. They’re roomier They’re roomier than the crew cab. Yeah. They’re just more comfortable. Just the, a little bit bigger cab and I mean the beds are maybe slightly shorter. Right. But I mean, I’m not putting four wheelers in my Colorado. Okay, here’s, here’s one you can, but I’m not doing it. No, I I get to have my anti government comment. Okay. I, I wish we had the chance to get some of the other trucks that are available out there that are not available because of our government. Okay. Like L 200 and the Toyota Hilux. Oh yeah, the Hilux. These in Europe, John. Yeah. And they’re big roomy four door. You got terrorist mountain machine guns in the back, in the desert, like Yeah. Anyway, there’s diesel uses these, you’re saying? Oh yeah, like crazy. The Hilux. And what was the first one you said? The Mitsubishi L 200. Oh, okay. Or anyway. Do think their little truck, do you think Kamala knows that the vehicles that these foreigners are using?
01:30:23:04 –> 01:31:30:00
Like, do you think, do you think our government, well if you remember the question, she said, you know, she was voice of the question that she’s never been to the border, but then she’s, she’s never been to Europe either, so she doesn’t know about, that’s fine. Okay. Alright. Willie. I don’t know why we’re, I do not recall. I do not recall. Okay. Alright. I’m, I’m all okay past this. Let’s see how many monsters in a row makes it okay to score deer with a bun, with bungee cords asking for a friend. All right. So what is it? Oh, John, do you know what they’re talking about? Look at John. This a direct, I’ve got. Is this a real question? Yeah. All right. We should, we gotta dispel this though. If you score something with a bungee cord, it’s gonna score smaller. Smaller. If you stretch it ’cause it stretches. Each one is shorter. Yeah. Yeah. It’d be like a rubber, rubber rubber tape. Measure the joke of a rubber tape. It actually, it actually shorter because you’re stretching it and then you put it down against a ruler and it’s smaller, right? Yeah. Is that what we’re talking about? Yeah. Well, I mean it’s, I mean, people say mean rubber monsters, bes in a row makes it okay to score deer with bunche courts asking for a friend, I don’t know who you did, somebody score deer with bunch of cords that we know of.
01:31:31:05 –> 01:32:49:11
Joke guy, circle of friends maybe. I think they’re, I think they’re meaning like score it with a shorter face. If, if I had a friend on monsters scoring a buck with bungee cords, I’d definitely bring it to WB Wyatt Bowls and get it official in 16 minutes. He’s, he’s on Mountain Dew now, which I contend for him and his system. He fell off the wagon. He did a face plant like you did up there in the territory so bad. And that and that. Oh yeah. For as long as he’s worked here, he’s been awesome until, until three months ago. Yeah. He was on water when he had the kidney stones. I don’t pure And he, he crawled, crawled to his truck. I’m him. I’m not drinking water ever, ever again. What’s the deep one? You said you had two fun ones or the deep one. Well let’s, I mean, alright, here’s the deep one. Oh. Outside of Premier tags, how do you prioritize your criteria for areas that could hold giants? Does it say deer or doesn’t say? No, it doesn’t say, this guy’s an elk hunter and you don’t Yeah. Based on his name. Elk Hunter 3 56. No, he’s an elk hunter and killed giants. But anyway. So outside of premier tags, how do you priorit prioritize your criteria for areas that can hold giants? A there has to be escapement in my mind, has to be escapement. People don’t like to hunt it.
01:32:49:23 –> 01:33:58:00
Call it desert areas or low tags. Like there’s, there’s been some places like New Mexico that you and I both got lucky and drawn tags with like, call it 10 to 20 tags per season. Yes. Yeah. And the elk populations are not really high either, but they’re higher than the tags given. They could be higher than what they’re given. Yeah. So tag numbers is, is is one of them genetics? Like you got, there’s history, we have enough history. You talk about studies, Bronson, we know areas that we’ll never produce. Yeah. Call it the Bighorn country of Wyoming for Mulder. Yeah. Whatever the feed soil contents. Yeah. Certain stuff like that. Weather patterns. It’s not known for it. Very like I’m not going up there to saying I’m looking for a 2 30, 2 40 bucks now. I promise please send your 2 30, 2 40 bucks to email Jason it [email protected] for this area in Wyoming. North central, central, Northern, whatever. I’m not talking about G and H either. ’cause but I, I’ll see those photos too. So send those. I’d love to look at ’em, but I’m just saying, so yeah, like, like in a state like Arizona and New Mexico, I, I, I don’t know there’d be a state, a place in the state. You could, and I’m sure somebody in those states stuff. Yeah. There’s no genetics, there’s nothing big in this area.
01:33:58:00 –> 01:35:01:17
But in general, or even Utah, not very many places you could say genetics wise, you don’t have potential to kill a big bull. I don’t think you could say bull. I’m talking out. Yeah, I don’t really know that you could. So really then it’s about, okay, you go where the masses are and there’s tons of elk, but you got more people to deal with. Or usually if you’re gonna have a chance at a real giant, it’s in a little bit of those fringe areas. Call ’em some of the twenties and thirties units that just, they’re kind of on the southern end of where elk really live and thrive. But they, they live there. I love the fringe areas. Yeah. Like these desert areas in Nevada. Same thing in Nevada. Yeah. I mean, I mean it’s been long documented that you are the individual that got two forties. So what’s, what’s the problem with the book Cliffs for Elk in Utah? Like what in your mind you would not think to go there for a giant next level Giant. I But what’s holding it back? Well, I mean they’ve killed like the biggest six point I ever have in my own. The most beautiful ever. There’s never a pretty one bull. That’s right. Ancy bull. No joke. But that was, it was an anomaly, we’ll call it. Okay.
01:35:02:05 –> 01:36:18:04
I think in general, not the roadless area, the roadless area’s always been managed to cut above in terms of age. That seven to eight, kind of like San Juan, beaver, Pavan, Monroe, Boulder, and maybe some of those bulls bleed out there later. But, but the regular call, the regular book close feels like they, they just hunt. Not too hard. They’ve hunted had too many attacks and it’s easy. It’s easy access. Yeah. So it feels like that from an elk standpoint and to some extent the same thing for Deere Deer. Deer. It’s easy to access. So, so more pointed question, when you are looking for an area that’s not known, let’s just say it’s not Boulder Beaver Pengu San Juan Escape. When you’re looking for an AR area, why, what would you choose without having the very best text escapement, which is either roadless wilderness, something that just certain people are not gonna hunt here, freaking thick trees. It it might just, yeah, it might not. Roadless might, it doesn’t mean you’re 10 miles in. It’s just, it might be, yeah, you can’t, you know, you’ve gotta spend a few nights on the mountain outta your backpack. You know, two or three miles in like, you know, certain units in Utah or Nevada. It or, or, or Nevada or I guess Nevada’s a bad example because everything’s so limited entry in Nevada.
01:36:18:06 –> 01:37:21:23
Like there’s no, like you could kill a big bull in almost any unit state in Nevada. It feels like Nevada’s the promised land. Like they just don’t give enough tags. But, but I mean if we’re talking other states like, like, you know, Utah or New Mexico or Arizona, some of those fringe areas are doing a weird season. Why would you, let’s see, why would you not choose seven East over a unit? Eight too. Eight. I think it’s too easy to hunt in too many tags for that for an eight is, you know, you and I both know there’s you, you still, you still stock about a stump that stopped your truck in its tracks. It’s so rough roads. Oh dude, that truck’s never been the same. And I’m looking to sell up to Logie Bear next time. No, I’ve actually got that problem fixed. It was a little, it was a four wheel drive it anyway stopped my truck. But it’s a rough roads and it’s got a lot of escapement in a unit like that. If you threw out a unit like eight, it’s, it’s not known for a powerhouse. Tons of big bulls. But, but it throws ’em for the number of points to draw escapement limited tags versus a seven E. So, so I guess there’s easy to get around other than the peaks and you know that, I mean they have the C but cash goes there and has a next level hunt.
01:37:21:23 –> 01:38:26:03
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That’s awesome. I, I funded there too before, but in, you know, we’re just talking in general, but I’m looking for like an 18 A or or something, 18 B or something. Fringe. Fringe desert, low density. And you’ve got, I love that personally. You’ve got some private lands at harbors bulls, but then in the, now they roam off get reservation lucky or whatever, river reservation boundaries. Those are things like that. I mean I know we’re talking about elk pretty much, but I guess we’re, that’s kind of, well we can talk about deer. Well based on this guy. We kinda talked elk, but let’s talk deer now then well even co deer. Whatcha looking for co deer? You’re, I mean, bordering reservation’s not a bad thing. Yeah, exactly. Some of the reservations like are next level for, for a k deer San Carlos, you step on ’em and you feel like you’re so there’s walk through big room in your 50 years in the past. Yeah. When you get some of those places, you just do so yeah. So mule there then. Well let’s talk about what do you look for for the people that want I think it’s my, what I would look for and you would look for, I think we’re similar, very similar might be different than what Scotty Thompson might look for. He’s hunting high country stuff. Yeah.
01:38:26:04 –> 01:39:31:18
And, and it’s not what I can’t And he does well low density desert dryer units myself. That’s right. And Travis Haws, it’s where grew up some of this stuff. It’s like some of these guys like to hunt the higher country and they’re doing really good at it. And, and I wouldn’t necessarily do really well at it because we didn’t, I opened that part of the state or Wyoming or Idaho. I learned how to live out here with the freaking scorpions and disgusting desert critters. Yeah. The desert comes a lie. What I like about the desert is there’s always more than anybody ever would guess. Yeah. Especially when you cons string a couple decent wet years together. Yeah. I mean you kill a big buck outside. I could see the lights of Vegas. Right. And that’s doesn’t happen now. That’s a Jason. I can see that from 200 miles. Okay. So all those units you should for all you people should, I think you’ve narrowed it down. Okay. That’s a big circle. But I’m just saying out. I’m just saying out loud like that would be a unit. I don’t know that, I don’t know that I’ll ever hunt it again. No, it’s kind of one of those things you go like you won one and just call it a day. Yeah. Well ’cause you’re probably not gonna ever win down there again. Yeah. And and it doesn’t have history.
01:39:31:27 –> 01:40:39:00
It doesn’t have the history and it’s way susceptible to drought, which we had gripping years down there and it’s just brought deer and sheep herds in southern Nevada to their knees. I mean it really has. Yeah. And it doesn’t have the history. I I like, I I think there needs to be some history there. It’s the soil’s proven, the feed’s proven. There’s, there’s genetics are proven. I like to have a, there has to be a little history. If I’m going out on a limb and saying I’m I’m gonna kill the first 200 ever from this unit. I’m, I’m gonna make history. No things. No, no. If my forefathers didn’t have big bucks, there’s not big bucks. Yeah. There’s gotta be something to that. Don’t you think there’s a lot of, a lot of truth to that? Unless there’s been call it some monumental change in that unit burns or who knows what that would be. But, but although we tease about the oakers and then you hear about a big one beer on the ok. So I don’t know. Well those are in the places we tease about. Probably ought to go there. Probably ought to go there. It’d be just fine. Well, okay. I like that was pretty good. That was pretty healthy. I don’t, I don’t, I’m, I don’t know. Are we gonna shred that? Are we done or we still got more maybe next week.
01:40:39:29 –> 01:41:55:27
Logan’s got, I want one more thing because we got the little fellas here. Young. I’m not little young. Come on. Geez. Young. I’m offended. Y what? And, and, and you guys, you, you’re not this but it, but I like to tease you a little bit, but Bronson ’cause you’re the senior member. John, are you senior? I’m senior baby. You’re the dead gum senior here at the table. What tips and advice would you give to new aspiring hunters? Write to me. Adam, what would you tell me? No, you’re not new as hiring. I do like to tease you though. You guys are young compared to us, but what, what tips would you give Mary? Well hey, that’s a good piece of advice. I’m gonna take that one a little private land or no, Mary, well, I mean very into some private land. Yeah. I would just be able to go and be able to spend some time. How are you gonna be able to spend time the rest of your life? Yeah. Your career and your wife. Those are a pretty big deal. Yep. They’re a pretty big deal. So you really care about hunting and fishing or whatever. Pick a career that you can be able to afford to do it and be able to have a little bit of time and then pick a good lady. All right. Absolutely. That’s mine. Now you guys get a really give them some hunting advice.
01:41:56:07 –> 01:43:02:07
Well, but you also, and we’ve said this a lot over the last feels like three or four years. You have to be in this day and age, you have to be willing to, to try to get by, get more out of less meaning. You, you, you’re not gonna draw elite tags if you’re just starting to hunt right now. Right outta the gate. I, I’m just talking about from an odd standpoint. Yeah. There may be some years you put in swing for the fence type units and get lucky and hit one here and there. But you’re gonna have to hunt every one to three to five years in turn around states like Colorado, Wyoming, Utah, and just just get hunting because it’s just, it’s changed a lot. If you know, we, you know, Jason, I, John maybe we, we still have some units. We’re in the twenties, some points that have never drawn certain things. Yeah. There’s half of the states that we have had that many points we’ve already used, but, but we apply completely differently the second go round, don’t we? It seems like because a hundred percent I’m not waiting 20 years, 25 in ev for every attack. But then there’s other things where I’m like, I’ve killed, it’s all a couple desert sheep. My next one better be, I’m talking my next one. Better be next one. I’m talking deer elk. Pretty much. Yeah. Sheep is totally different. Or even goats.
01:43:02:07 –> 01:44:16:07
I’m done with those moose. I’m done with those pretty much. I haven’t even started. I’m done. What do you mean? What do you mean somebody’s got max up there in Montana? Well, I, I know. Alright, so, so I just think you have to be, just get after it go hunting. There’s nothing like learning. The learning you get from just, just grinding out hunts whether you’re successful and punch a tag or not. Like you have to be, don’t get caught up on the glitz, glamor, Instagram and big stuff everywhere. That, that is such an inaccurate portrayal of the reality of the, the units that you’re gonna probably have to hunt if you’re gonna hunt because well we, we wait around for these elite tags and they come and go here and know here and then, but you’re gonna have to hunt general season. You’re gonna have to hunt easier to draw tags or you’re making hunt. And I think, and I think you should learn. So, so a little hunting advice on my side. I think you should learn which states know when to hold ’em and know when to fold ’em well. Like which states do you really hold out for the long-term plan and which states do you hunt all the time? Hunt Colorado deer all the time. Yeah. Hunt all the time every year if you can. And then, but don’t hold out for a 20 point unit Colorado all the time. Yeah.
01:44:16:13 –> 01:45:33:06
But then maybe you use Arizona as I’m gonna hunt OTC archery, but I’m gonna gain points and that’s my long-term plan. I want something really special because I’m hunting Colorado. I’m getting satisfied up there. I’m hunting Utah general. I’m pretty well satisfied. I go TC Wyoming in Idaho. Yeah. OTC, Idaho, OTC, Oregon. Even if you want it or, or whatever. And, and fill that fix, you know, get, I mean scratch the it, get something killed and then say, but save points and invest in the points. Invest in yourself. There’s a lot of people out there that are saying points are no longer a points are not, the future points are never gonna work. Point systems don’t work. And there’s some places that’s, that’s true. May maybe it is, but, but, but invest. Find the ones that are worth it to you and invest the money in the points when you’re young, you can buy points but you can’t buy time. You know what I’m saying? Yep. Like time go gets away from you and now you’re 40 or 45, whoever is out there and you’re going, man, I wish I when I was 25, I would’ve done that. Yeah. And the money that seemed like a lot back then is chicken feed now because I’m mature, matured in my career job. Yeah. You’re not just right out of school. Yeah. So anyway, spend, spend the money on points that, that make sense. Invest in yourself. Yeah.
01:45:33:06 –> 01:46:48:17
Invest in yourself. John. Mine’s very similar. Just realize first maybe stay off Instagram and if you’re really young, just, just keep yourself happy. Go hunting off Instagram. But what, what I would say, have you, you guys should do a seven day fast. Have you done the seven day social media fast? When I was like a sophomore in high school. Yeah, I did try it again. It was really hard. So I was like, why don’t you try, it’s difficult but we should all do a Instagram’s my job. How am I supposed to? Well, yeah. Okay, nevermind. We’ll wait until Josh gets back. Okay. Sounds like I just lost my job. Every applications getting fired up. Yeah. So just keep, keep your your, don’t compare expectations yourself to the, to the highlight reel reality. I think there’s, especially if you’re new, well just, just go as much as you can and then plan for the future. You’re not gonna draw those amazing tags. You typically until you have 20 points. I like what you’re saying. You realize Bronson and, and John, we’ve talked about this at nauseum. There’s hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of deer tags. Okay. Take Colorado, you add Colorado to Utah to whatever, Wyoming, Idaho. Yeah. Adam, Wyoming.
01:46:49:09 –> 01:47:57:05
And then go look at Instagram’s highlight reel of let’s say legit 200 inches and don’t, don’t count the reposts of the same box either because, or angles or throw back Thursdays or, or bring back Tuesdays or here you go again Wednesdays or whatever. Look at the numbers that were actually killed versus how many hundreds of thousands. It’s, it’s exactly. That’s what I meant. Don’t get caught up. It, it’s kind of like when we hunt with our kids, you know, we’ve got kids that are like older teenagers or young twenties now and you kind of just, well like we’re talking about Justin, you, you gotta just get a tag somehow. Yeah. Like just to get ’em hunting. That’s the mentality you have to have. Especially you gotta, and you, you learn how to become a better hunter by going hunting. You can’t put in for 10 or 20 years and be, I don’t know, and then think you’re just gonna go hunting. It just, you can’t flip the switch. So you’re gonna have to go and fail. Go and learn. Be willing to accept that and have a little bit lower standards. And, and if that’s not the case, be okay hunting your guts out and eating your tag too. We’re we’re fine with that. It’s not like, you know, you have to kill, but you’re just gonna have to have a realistic expectation. Yeah.
01:47:57:06 –> 01:49:07:15
It’s a different world than, than back before states had point systems and you know, even people, Jason, 10 years older than you and I that are five or 10 years older that capitalized on some max point situations like sheep in Arizona and maybe sheep in Wyoming, you know, before we were really applying hard. You know what I mean? That, you know, some of the biggest regrets of Yeah, well exactly. Given up a little early on, stuff like that because or you knew you were already two or three years behind where you needed to be. Yeah. And you’d be going through the same thing we did in Wyoming the last two years when they cut to 10%. So, you know what, you know what’s hard on me And then I’m, I want to go to cash and talk about our tripod and then give them, and then I’m gonna, we got some really good advice on the very end. Really hard on me to, we’re trying to duplicate the experiences you and I’ve had. We’ve had a couple real special ones. You can’t duplicate ’em. Those are memories. That’s right. Those are very cherished memories. So this is what I think when something special happens, lay there around a fire all night long. Don’t with a full body deer and just chill out with your buddies. Yeah. Like, just do it because it’s probably not gonna happen again.
01:49:07:25 –> 01:50:20:00
A lot of times in the moment you’re like, woo hoo. Next year we do again. We do again. And the next year comes and the next year comes and five and 10 years pass by and you can’t make it happen again. Management won’t allow for it. The times have changed. The the tactics have changed. The hunting has changed. The whole world’s changed. If you kill something special ram up in the northwest territories enjoy it, you might not be able to go back some day. Exactly. You know what I mean? Yeah. These are memories that you cannot just duplicate. Now sometimes we get lucky and we duplicate something and it’s awesome. But, but anyway, it’s hard for me to wrap my head around. Those are memories. I just have to mention that you said that after we went on the Escalante and you killed your desert sheep and we, you know, took us half a day to hike down to him and then Yeah. We, we slept in the canyon and where we killed him. Where we killed him. And that was special. Yeah. It was, it was a memories that we, I don’t even wanna make that memory again. No, but it was special. But they were, it was But you’re still talking about it. Yeah. I don’t know. 20, 16 years, whatever it was. Yeah. Yeah. They make you, they, they’re part of who you are. Like they’re part of your fiber.
01:50:20:08 –> 01:51:32:25
They make you who you, who you are, you know what I mean? Those, you’re full of memories. You’re a dude that’s full of memories. But I think we did it right and we laughed a lot and we made a fire and we just enjoyed that whole spray deed around where we slept because of all his, the all scorpions scorpions and me and Jesus. Hey. It worked. The deep, the deep barrier worked. We had a deep fence, but we joked about it. It was fun. That was really fun. 8, 8, 8. Most succulent sheep meat ever. Wow. And and it’s also nice ’cause you know, when you’re eating it, you’re not packing it out. Yeah. That, that piece. But there is, it’s, it’s all true. All right. So cash. Yeah. Give us a real quick update on our tripod. Just some kinda learning curves on these tripods. Some I’ve had people ask a few different times. One of my buddies was asking whatever, but I kinda learned a few different tricks with this, with this tripod is these knobs, the, the pan knob and the handle knob are both spring loaded. You can pull that and adjust that whichever way you want when it’s tight. So it’s outta the way. It’s not John, we do this convenient. We should have, we should have done better at training. We could do a follow up advertising. We need to do a follow up. YouTube. YouTube. So Yeah.
01:51:32:27 –> 01:52:34:27
And the reason that’s important is you get your hands like just your muscle memory and the, the knobs right where you want it. Well let’s say you turn the knob and, and the lever is going the wrong direction. Will you just pull it out, turn it, there’s a couple for instances cash it that you brought up. That’s kind of changed me too. Yeah. Even though you kind of know you can keep screwing with it. I we always just get it out of our pack and make it work, right? Yeah, we do. And so one of the one day I was just sitting there dinking with one and the clamp that holds the handle. Yeah. I pulled that off and you know, other handles, they’ll just fall out and this one doesn’t fall out, which is great, you’re not gonna lose it. But I was just dinking with it and I was like, there’s gotta be some way that that pin can come out. And so it’s threaded in there. I learned it. It’s, it’s threaded, you can completely flip it so it goes on this other side. You can for like, there’s like six different ways. Also way you found it gives you more Right. Finger space, more finger space, things like that on the, on the tensioner. Yeah. So we’re gonna have a little, a little picture coll diagram diagram. Yeah. On our, on our magazine collage this month. Yeah. Collage.
01:52:34:27 –> 01:53:39:21
That’s what I was looking for. And it’s gonna kind of break it all down. So just another feature of how, how this tripod is very customizable to you, whether you’re left-handed, right-handed. You like it forward, you like it back, you like a higher low or whatevers are a big deal when you’re sitting there panning and I’m panning this morning and I’m like, you just like to barely touch something and pan ever so slight. I love that. The fluid, the fluidity of this head is just amazing. But you can do it with your bridge of your nose a lot of times. Yeah. I when you’re sick of your, your hand needs to be down for a minute. Yes. You just, just, just sit there and just use it with your bridge your nose. Yes. And if we did, and, and you can adjust that tensioner, but if the tensioner iss here versus here versus whatever your spring loaded tensioner, like what you’re talking about that just those littlest things that you take for granted. You don’t even, you you don’t even think about because we just are used to as hunters making dow. Right, exactly. You don’t have to make dow. Yep. So if you, if you already own one of these tripods, great. Mess with it. Play with it, get it to where you want it. If you don’t own one, get your hands on one. They’re awesome. They’re, they’re cheap.
01:53:39:23 –> 01:54:46:21
They’re the best ones that I’ve, I’ve ever had my hands on. Cheap. They’re cheap for what tripods called. And we’re talking about our flagship Epic ultra correct tripod on this talking 466 bucks that includes the head and the plate, everything. The light one obviously unique, the light one obviously has completely different uses. You stuck one of those to NWT. Like that’s, that’s what it’s used for. Did it truly replace your gizo? Yeah. And it’s, you know, probably gonna, well we ran it, you know, you run it with like a 65 millimeter scope or something a little. You’re not packing with a 95 there. I I mean you’re just not, but yeah, we’re talking about the ultra, you got a lot more adjustment there. The, the head’s a lot has a lot more fluid in some of these adjustments we’re talking about because it’s, you know, slightly bigger and heavier and it’s meant to carry a little heavier load BTX or big 95 or something like that. Right. Alright, what else was there, was there anything else you guys wanted to talk about a little bit? I think that was about it. Just kind of the, the customization you can put with that and just kind of how much adjustment there is. Okay. There’s some new things we’re working on. We’re going to, there there’ll be some updated stuff I don’t want it to say yet, but anyway, it’s awesome. Just very development.
01:54:46:21 –> 01:55:52:18
Some minor changes that we thought, oh, we’ll tweak this and that. Know or mixture. Yeah. Probably have a little bit bigger model maybe also. So, all right, Logan, what do you got for us? Wanted to talk about Zeiss in their brand new line of conquest. HDX binoculars. Okay. You have a pair? I do, yeah. What do you think? I’ve been using them for the last four weeks now and I love ’em. Been using the tents. Yeah. 10 by 42 for the last four weeks. Slow roll The pines. Yep. So, so slow rolling The Pines. I’ve used them for some longer range stuff too, just to make sure I got an accurate sample size of everything that you’d use ’em for and yeah, I really like them crisp. They’ve, they’re, they’re really crisp, a lot of light. They sleeked them down a lot. I they lost like three and a half ounces from the old, so they’re just a little bit lighter. But they made the old conquest, they made ’em a lot more comfortable to hold ergonomic. Yep. And from an already comfortable binocular there. And that’s my big thing with tens God like to hold them and not only are they affordable, they’re extremely affordable for what you get. It’s amazing for hearing it at Epic Outdoors. Yeah. So if you buy from us, trust me, but best pricing ever. Absolutely.
01:55:53:05 –> 01:57:02:17
Okay, so the best piece of advice, I left it for you two young fellas. Oh. What would you, what advice would you give to kids younger than you? Go ahead Logan. I’ll let you go first. I know what I’m gonna say, but I’ll let you go first. Yeah. For me, like growing up hunting with my dad and just barely getting to where I’m branching out, kind of doing my own thing. It’s really intimidating because I’m worried about going somewhere and I don’t know, messing up, not seeing anything, not being able to do anything. Right. And I just, what Jason talked about, betting on yourself, putting some stock in yourself, you know how to hunt and you can learn if you don’t. And I think to go along with what he said, Colorado is the best place to hone your hunting skills along with your home state generals. But if you wanna hunt somewhere new and learn how to figure out deer, how to figure out hunting, Colorado’s the place to do it. Spend some time over there, hunt some new units, branch out a little bit. I mean, it, I, it’s kind of intimidating, but I’ve really loved being able to branch out and just trust myself a little more over this last couple of years. Yeah.
01:57:02:24 –> 01:58:13:11
I like it to kind of caveat what, what Logan was saying, I grew up, I didn’t get to hunt very much growing up, so I never, I can never really say that I had a mentor, you know, a lot of kids growing up have their dad, their uncle, whatever, and like, we hunted a little bit. So I never really had a mentor. If you want to get into it, just dive in. Just, you know, find things that you can study, watch what other people are doing. YouTube, just kind of YouTube. YouTube. Yeah. YouTube. The crap outta things. Like, I can’t tell you how many hours and hours of YouTube I watched. I’ve just watching people’s hunts and not just watching ’em but studying ’em. You know, kind of watching what that deer’s doing, whatever it is. And then kinda like what Logan said is bet on yourself. You know, get out and explore. Don’t get so stuck on one area and one particular deer or whatever. The last, since I moved down here, really, we, we got really, really good at hunting this one spot. And we know, like we know exactly the route that these deer take and, and whatever. And it’s just kind of a luck thing whether they do come this way that morning or not. And it’s been really nice the last couple years to kind of branch out and explore new country because you, you just learn so much more.
01:58:13:15 –> 01:59:27:12
So adventure, get away from people. Sometimes people aren’t a bad thing, but just spend time outside of that too. It just comes down to time. The more time you can spend, the more you’re gonna learn. The more you’re gonna learn, the better you’re gonna be. And don’t be, don’t be afraid to, to screw it up. You’re gonna screw it up. Yeah. I did this year already once and it was something that I thought was so slam dunk that was so easy. Done deal. Hey, it can be 50 year olds. You old to screw something up. Yeah. And don’t be afraid to make mistakes. Mistakes we never screwed up. Whatever happened, it was supposed to happen. It was for the better. That’s right. And at the end you’ll be grateful. Right. All right. Yeah. But don’t be, don’t be afraid to make mistakes. You’re gonna make mistakes. Everyone. Everyone says it if you like, especially bow hunting. If you bow hunt long enough, you’re gonna wound one and one’s gonna get away at some point in your life it will happen. Yeah. You don’t, you don’t think it’s gonna happen on a 35 yard shot, whatever, blah, blah, blah. But it happens. And and after that, do your due diligence. Look for that stinking thing. If you can’t find it, do you know, do your best. Your best is good enough and you’re gonna learn and get your friends into it. It’s better with friends. It’s harder.
01:59:27:12 –> 02:00:29:18
Or solo. Yeah. And if you don’t have a mentor, just dive in head first. Alright, I like it. Well, anything else? Or we freaking covered it in two hours possible? Were you over two hours? We are at two hours. Geez. Just hit the mark now. Well, I mean by the time Logan. Yeah. Two hours, 32 seconds. But by the time he takes out a few things, we’re gonna be under two. So we better go for a few more minutes is what he No, we’re gonna leave more question. You really want one more? No, no, no. I, that was a joke. I gotta go pick up my truck. I got about five minutes to get down there. Did you get the wine? Calm down? No, just had us patch tire. Oh, ooh, okay. How to find big bucks and bulls when nine to five wife little kids is necessary right now. That’s tough. That’s tough. That goes to what John’s doing. John. You’ve got a lot of wrinkles from it. And I did. We scouted and we made it back to work. Yep. And then we scouted and we took little kids and it was brutal and it was tough and but when you’re young, you’ve got the energy to do it now. I couldn’t do it again. So my kids are on the ground grown and out and I’m grateful and wearing you out. Just watching them. They wear me out still to this day.
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