In this episode we talk about some of the best strategies available to you for your license and application season. Whether it’s giving you all the information you need to apply or taking applications off your plate with our License Application service, the Epic Outdoors crew has you covered. Adam Bronson also tells the story of his Coues deer hunt that he recently returned from, where he was able to harvest a very Mule-deer-like buck. The Crew will also be at the Sheep Show in Reno, Nevada from January 16-18th and the Western Hunting and Conservation Expo from February 13-16th.
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Hey everybody, Jason Carter, Adam Bronson, Josh Pollock, and of course, Mr. Marshall
Beaver County’s finest. I told you the
Pride and joy of Beaver
County. I got good, I got a good solid eight in me last night, so feeling good. Yeah, I’m feeling good too. I’ll take you. It’s amazing how got my age agent. Speaking of Carter, happy 20, 25, 5. You’re gonna turn the big five Oh this year. Why
Would you, why do we have to tell everybody? Well, it’s just there’s personal things.
We lived my life a year ago. Now we’re gonna live here.
He’s already, I’m
Excited. He’s already sensitive. ’cause you two have to have glasses
Now. Oh, that’s the other thing. We, we can’t pod or what do we call YouTube these episodes because of our glasses. I, I’m over that
Josh
Can out you in you. So it doesn’t matter. Whatever. Bronson and I have to wear readers when we’re freaking typing up the magazine.
Write things out. Well, this is a, this podcast room’s a little bit dimly lit and let’s blame it on that. When I start to get in my truck and at night, like I can’t even read my phone when it dark. But
What power are your glasses on ’em?
There’s just, I buy like three for $10. So they’re like, whatever basic readers are, I don’t know what, what standard.
No, no. I don’t know.
I bought a three pack for 10 bucks,
But it’s a certain kind, like a one or negative one or whatever they call it. Alright. But anyway, way past that but
Happened 2025.
Happy 2025. We are super stoked about 2025. I’m, I’m excited. New slate. New year, new me. How about you Bronson? Absolutely. Pollock.
Like I always say, we’re batting about Are
You gonna go a little easier on the elk this year?
Ah, not if I can help it, but I’m not very optimistic. Maybe
That’s a good way to start.
What
Plans? What are you, what are you gonna, what are you gonna target with a vengeance this year? I don’t, and we’re gonna go around the little room right
Here. I dunno. We did just look on my way, my way in my New Mexico hunting odds of drawn on that tag that I had where Oh yeah, 0.14%.
Yeah. But like one in what I to
Like 7 14 7
Was Yeah. Yeah. Kind of interesting. That’s
Pretty good. There’s a lo there’s a, there’s a living, breathing person at the end of a statistic. Yeah.
You know who that person is. So Yeah, I don’t know. Sky’s the limit, I guess.
Well, no, you, so you’ve got enough elk meat in the freezer. We know that. And antlers, you don’t have any more room in your office. Can’t
Eat the antlers,
But, right. So what are you gonna do? I don’t
Know. I Now there’s plenty of applications to apply for. Who knows. Who
Knows? Wow.
He’s being vague.
Sheep,
Goats, moose is, oh
Wow. Wow. He’s going for once a lifetime moose. I mean, I, I’m Jason, I know you, but I mean, what do you and I, and I’m might, I’m sick of saying mul deer because you’re setting yourself up for failure.
Failure, right? Well, mul deer, just
Frustrat never been tougher right
Now. Never been tougher. But with that, people are trying harder than ever and we’re gonna be trying harder than ever. And we’re, we’re gonna continue and never give up and all of those things.
But what we are doing, and you’ve started to do it in another Oh, facet, severe trying career. You’re trying to
Weird stuff. Whitetail.
Exactly. Whitetail. And I’m kind of same thing. Yes. Whether it be a co whether it be a real, what do you call ’em when I say ’em? Real whitetail? Well,
They’re many, let’s call ’em a midget white toe.
They’re like the toy, whatever. What’s they are like the toy, the toy toy whitetails or whatever. The regos. Yeah, exactly.
But whether it be those or regular whitetails, like they’re anything big. And if it, I mean for me, I, I’ve said this on this podcast since last year, but if I shoot another antelope, it’s gonna be with y’all and we’re gonna have some fun having a good time dares and maybe my kids. And it’s the
Best my kids meet on planet earth
Dev according to Devon. But hey, there’s a pretty, it’s gonna be a group hunt or there’re gonna be big.
There’s a pretty big antelope dare on the table. I’d say
Minus us.
Why? What did he whyt hunt that he found for all of us?
Oh yeah. It was archery in Idaho. Well, he was up there hunting mul there. He saw some big antelope and he, he was so adamant he hit me direct, hit all of us individually. Not, not
Me. Well, he knows where I he
Hit that one.
He knows
It’s, and it’s sounds, but
It’s an OTC basically a guaranteed tag for, for archery antelope. And we’re like archery antelope. You’re gonna drive like 10 hours each way for that.
I’ve been very outspoken hope, the fact that Jason has taken three or four good lunches for me at nine or $10 a point in Colorado for three or four years I’ve been building points at, at your well request. And I’ve regret it.
No, you don’t regret it. I do. It’s chicken feed and that, speaking of chicken feed, I think that’s part of applying in the west is gaining points anywhere and everywhere. By the way, I want to talk about a little bit about our online odds, Adam, just before we get really cranking our online odds. No joke.
And it’s part of 2025. It’s like it’s time, it’s time to start
Planning. And so we’ve been doing all working with all these minimum points queries. If you’ll go to Utah and, and of course, I mean just because we worked on Utah yesterday, you can do a minimum points query on the general, on the dedicated, on the limited entry, dear, all kinds. And so pretty fun, pretty easy to use. The easiest online queryable odds, they’re easy. Anything out there, they’re,
They’re just slick, slick. You don’t have to filter a bunch of stuff in or out. You can just go look exactly what, what hunt you’re looking for, that kind of stuff.
And the Montana, we did the Montana elk and deer, same thing. You can go on there, do the odds based off of the point
Yes. Kinda like we do in Nevada,
But, and you can see the whole list of this is what your odds were, but then this is what actually happened.
Yeah. Because it’s really probability or I’m not a statistician, so I don’t wanna get emails and texts from people that are college professors and statistics. Okay. Yeah. So if I use the word odds or probability and I use them inaccurately, I’m talking to hunters. Okay. Like it do not rebuke me, but, but it is, it shows you, you, you square the points and this is how many names you have in the hat divided by how many total names are on the hat divided tags and do all the math. And
You can only do so much on paper in the magazine. Yeah. But like Nevada too. You can go look at your point level and look at what your odds were at your point.
Level. Yeah. And it gradually, with every point mathematically gets better the more points because you have more names in the hat now can guys draw with one point when you have 20? Absolutely. Yeah. That, that’s the randomness to a draw. But it’s the probability goes up and it’s nice and so Oh
Our online, I mean trust me, Bron and I using Bronson and I can use ’em and we like to use them then they’re freaking easy.
Well, and if they’re not easy or if they’re not, we it
User friendly. We’re, let’s call it user friendly.
Yeah. We, we, our, our computer guy’s awesome. He can do anything. Well
Wyatt, Wyatt was working on some of our guys’ Utah stuff as far as trying to figure out, they had zero points. What can I draw a dedicated a hundred for zero.
Well, here’s other question coming out for Utah this year is you have to either choose between your general, general season dedicated or dedicated. And now guys are wanna look at their odds. I have, I have four dedicated and three general, what’s my best chance, what to draw
This year? Which one should I go after?
Yeah. And they have to analyze it for that reason.
Part of that that comes into what your schedule is like this year. Would you be sad if you didn’t get drawn this year? Can you go ahead and wait on the dedicated, also dedicated changes from year to year, depending on how many tags are available to get dedicated and who retires out of the program from the three year things like that. So, but nevertheless, and Utah’s not even coming up the, just using it as an example, but all
The states that, that we’ve been rattling off are done and I haven’t.
They’re
Awesome. I just got back from
The holidays. Oh yeah. Yeah. And is there anything which we couple, a couple states
Are probably not updated, but I don’t know
Many. I Nevada is one. Okay. Nevada’s like one, I think the only one
More complex report that you get from them. But this
Is so easy, so awesome. Easy. People love it.
We’ve made this a priority to get these out earlier by the first of the year.
Part of this, we built this for us when we’re consulting. Yeah. So yeah, we, you know, Bronson and I and, and Josh and all the consultants here, we’re, we’re nonstop on the phone talking to you guys directly. And as we’re doing it, guys are like, well I have nine points. I have a guy right now. I got nine points in Utah. You, you know what I want. Which is, you know, rough, rugged, you know, back country type stuff. Gimme my options. Well, it’s really easy to do a minimum points query and I would do like a, let’s say six to 10 or 11. And that way you can say, well, and if you’re willing to wait a couple years, here’s a couple of other options that may open up to you.
We’re already getting calls for Colorado and Colorado’s a great one to do the minimum points on because yeah, not nothing, nothing really changes year to year. They set their, they they did reset their new five year season structure. It’s basically a day earlier next year than it was last year. And so it’s, you know,
It’ll be interesting as like the archery elk will now be on a drop. Yeah. And, and now, now this year, this year’s gonna be a crap shoot. Who knows what’s gonna happen. But next year that minimum points query is gonna be interesting. Yeah. Now you’re gonna have a list of all of these units that used to be just done OOTC.
Well, hey, you, me, I mean we’ve used our elk points over there before. I mean, I’m not, may not give us, but there’s gonna be some options to
Use your on tell. Don’t paint me in a corner. I’m not going elk in Colorado. Why archery in 2026? No, that’s what you’re saying is don’t, don’t paint me in a corner. I wanna talk about it, but I but don’t Me too.
What else are we gonna draw with minimal points? Like
In, it’s okay, we got 14 other states, right, Josh, who exactly. Well, I I mean there’s white tails that need to die, right Josh, but we need
True,
I’m not even in this country. We can leave the country
If we need to. We can. Well the 51st state. The 51st state, Hey, hey, Trump’s gonna make that the 51st state. Yeah. And we’re gonna go up there. We’re not gonna have to cross the border and be dealing with weird,
I’m going on vacation border
Agents that are, you know, power.
And I’m going on vacation this winter down to the Gulf of America.
I like it. I like it. That’s got a ring to it. By the way,
Speaking of Carter, what we have guys telling us that they’re just calling us. Tell Wendy when you, I know you’re working well, you’re not answering my phone call, I’m gonna call you back. I just wanna listen to your on hold message.
Hey, hey, I Trump’s a big fan of Epic. So anybody that wants to call in, just call in to call, put me on hold. But call in
At five 30 at night.
Don’t know. You cant do after hours. You actually have to be on hold. So it’s the on hold thing. And so people are calling in and saying, telling Wendy just, will you just put me on hold for a minute?
I think they, to put it on their voice or on the speaker in their office and let their friends here. It’s kind of cool.
Let’s should say Trump’s a big fan of Epic Outdoors. Yeah. But anyway, pretty, pretty fun. Alright, so moving right along. We built this for us, Bronson. So that’s the one thing about our service here at Epic Outdoors. We’re so involved in Western big game hunting. We built the, the entire, the entire premise of the business was built around what we like to do and trophy like trophy hunters mindset similar to ours. And so when we go on to do a minimum points square for ourselves, we’re like, well Kurt, we call up Kurt. Kurt fix this. We wanna see this, we wanna see that. That’s what happened yesterday. Why? It’s like, I wanna know minimum points for generals. I wanna know minimum points for dedicated. Okay, let’s segregate those out. It’s done, it’s done. Right. CW are only available, you know, on drawing a c wmu only available to residents. Like there’s a few things we should, those
Are all done now. They’re all done in a matter of overnight 15 minutes. Oh yeah. If he’s, if you get, if you get,
Okay, if you ask Kurt, it was 10 hours. If you ask, if you asked me, it’s probably 15 minutes.
Kurt, we love you. We’re just,
He’s good at it. He’s so good at it. But anyway, he billed it from the ground up. You do it
To sleep. But
If there’s something on there that you’re wondering about, I have, we have a lot of guys that call in don’t even know this is available. They don’t even know it’s available. And so anyway, after hours, you’re chilling out at the house. Go scroll around, look around for a minute. Well,
And if you’re looking ahead, I mean the magazines come out strategically, you know, in, in the, in, in the months that they generally become open to apply for, it’s why we had to cover Wyoming elk in January. It’s why we cover Arizona, elk and antelope because they open up first. They’re due the end of January and 1st of February, first week in February for Arizona. And then, you know, naturally the next states will, will follow follow. But sometimes you’re eager, sometimes your whole year might revolve around, Hey, I, I’m gonna burn my points in Colorado for deer. Well go, go search, go do the minimum points, the magazine’s yet to come out. We also get to assist, you know, the winner and precip in some of the states, which, you know, some states that has a big impact on whether, how aggressive you really wanna be. And speaking of, I hope this farmer Farmers
Almanac,
No, what, what’s
It called? Farmer’s
Alman? Is that what it’s called? Yeah. I hope it’s right.
Josh. They fortune tell, wasn’t it the
Future of the weather? Yeah. And they used, they use Willow ditch witching sticks and
Stuff like that. I I mean how
Do they know that? What
Do they get? Some tides.
Okay. Farmers temperatures
Of the water. You think farmers
Are
Using Pacific? What’s going on course of the Atlantic? Tahiti
They know what’s the the vibe isn’t Tahiti and that that those, I I hope they’re right. ’cause right now we are dry.
We’re so dry
In Arizona. So dry.
Trust me, Arizona.
But
Having said that, New Mexico, we don’t have to put the plow on the freaking skid. How nice is that?
Yeah. But at some point,
Some point we’ll be dragging it out. Hopefully we’re praying for it. I’m
Just saying. So
Yeah. So it says here, this is
What the southern Nevada, Utah, Arizona, New Mexico
Says we need it. Utah, Colorado Lake Tahoe and California. Yes. Precipitation in snowfall will be average or above average throughout the Intermountain region. The snowiest periods will fall in mid-November, which that
Occur
Happen. Well we had those, we had that stuff. We
Had one storm
Around
Guys, we’re gonna, we’re gonna call it significance. So we make
January we
Shovel
Late January is, is coming upon us. I,
I kept hearing February and later I i from multiple sources and it’s probably within this office. But I hope these guys that are market grill and just the farmers that are talking, I hope they riot wherever the, wherever that, wherever they get their hunches. Because we need it
Bad.
We do.
It’s so powdered,
But hey,
It feels like my allergies
Have never been worse since white cells in the 51st state are gonna be just fine no matter what. Here
Are you nodding your head?
Oh, big time.
Allergies have been off the charts this winter. I know. December and January. I’m glad
I don’t, don’t have any allergies. I had
To, I had to go to a doctor and see what the heck I could do. My god. Got it all fixed up. Really? Oh yeah. Sinus rinse changed my life.
Oh, disgusting.
I don’t
Want to hear about a sinus. RINs big. I don’t
Wanna hear about muca.
Oh, it’s life changing. It was
Beautiful. You’ve
Done that too. Poet. We had, I had my kids doing it. They’re loving it. What? What do you mean? My 15-year-old, he,
I never knew there was a
Sinus ran. I think I’m a addicted. You
Guys are having navage
Parties. You do it regularly
Every night. Yeah.
What,
Every night before you go to bed? It’s changed.
No
Way. I’m
Addicted to it. A sinus rans. This is disgusting. Yeah,
No, it’ll, it’s
Life. It’s a really beautiful thing actually. Okay.
So it’s, I like
If you,
You who do we work with?
Two of the most important things to me in my life
Is, that’s like saying I like to get an enema every night. Reading. I like a good clean out.
So
Sinus ritz or my bidet, like those are the two most things
I’ve heard.
I’ve heard the bidet
Is no joke. I’m gonna separate myself from Josh on that. I just am the sinus rin guy.
Yeah, there’s
Some days you’ll see the light or lightness in the
Darkness ahead. Tell us about the rants.
No, let’s, it’s disgusting.
Let’s, what
Is it? Either one of these
Just, you just put some salt. Basically it’s salt water. You bite it at Walmart salt water into a squeeze bottle and you stick it on your nose. I do it.
And you squeeze it. Yeah.
And you squeeze it and it just, you can peel. You have it
It
Through your throat. Does it come out throat? Does it come out your eyeballs?
You have to, you squeeze it soft. And I have to put my tongue back to kind of plug up my sinus hole back there. Disgusting. And then this is so
Disgusting. It
Just goes up, fills up your sinus, washes everything out, come out the other end and then that’s half the bottle. And then you do it again on the other side and
It comes out the other’s nostril. Yeah, the other nostril. We are done and a bunch of stuff comes out.
We are done talking about. No,
The first time I did it, it was
Crazy. Is this while you have a cold or something? No,
All the time. Every day.
But yeah, usually that, that’s when it works best. If you’re congested it all and you do it.
But I get,
It’s amazing. Do you think it, do you think you would recover from a cold
Faster or something? My whole life, my whole life is, if I got no less than seven sinus infections a year at least
I was
Always sick. Okay. So let’s say this. I’ve never had a sinus infection. Yeah,
Don’t start it. I wouldn’t. You might.
What happened with grandpa? How did he ever live?
He just lived a harder life than I did. I’m willing to admit that.
Hey
There Google. I want to Google tough birds. Google benefits of the sinus flush. Okay
Guys, let’s, let’s move on. I
Didn’t tell me, I wanna know what the benefits are. Is there just something that is euphoric?
It might be fake but it’s working for me. Placebo?
Yeah.
Oh my gosh.
It’s kinda like,
It kind of stops
This podcast sugar pill every day. Minute. I, I’m
Disgusted. Dunno how to speak.
I don’t, yeah, I just made a comment about this being such a long, prolonged fall. Like winter hasn’t even happened and how I have allergies and, and my daughter, these guys chime in and then I find out I’m not doing anything right with my life. ’cause I don’t use the bide or I don’t nasal flush every night. We should
Get you guys one once and then, then we’ll come back for a week. Give us up B day weekly update.
So do you. Alright. No B day, just kind of clean out the chunky monkeys and you’re good. I mean, what is it
Jana? This is the time. I
Don’t know. I know Jeff. Jeff swears by him too.
Well he’s a plumber. He’ll drive
Across town. He’ll drive to go back to his house. Yes. Well you would too. I’m not taking part in this.
There’s a whole section gone right there.
Yeah. Whisper Carter. Let’s
Get, I think we also should talk about our license application service. This is the time when everybody’s starting to apply. We can apply you if you need help. It’s very simple. You can get the forms online, epic outdoors.com. Go to our services, go to license application. You can download the form, it’s fillable. Fill it out, get it back to us. You can leave a couple of personal information pieces off of your social things like that credit card. But get it to us and let us get going. You should at least, I talked to a guy yesterday, Bronson talked to a guy that was points only for like the last 11 years. And then, then it’s this year again, he wanted to do points, but he just wanted to kind of go over it. Like, am I, what am I, what am I doing by doing this?
Because it was a buddy of his that actually got him going on it. I said, you’re, you’re electing never to get a tag right now, but you are preparing for the future. And he goes, yeah, I don’t want to tag this year again. But he kind of wanted to go over it. Is 11 points good? What does that look like? How does it look for the next 10 years? And kind of get a basic, that idea and, and a plan. Anyway, we’re good at that. That’s what we do. We can help you help you do that. And of course to get these online odds, we’ve been talking about, to go get an e magazine, to get a real paper magazine, all of that, it’s $150 a year. There’s not, we don’t stratify our service and say, well, for EAG only it’s this amount. Or, or for online odds only, it’s this amount, all of that. It’s a full service or nothing. 150 bucks a year. Well worth your time, well worth your money. And and we work hard at it every day. All of us. The entire crew. So
I I think without fail once a year too, I talk to somebody who misses a deadline usually more than once a year. Somebody who, you know, misses a deadline or has, has missed a deadline in the past. And there’s some times where it missing just even one year could really dampen your odds and really, and really affect you when you’re right there at the top end and then all of a sudden you get moved down to the next group of guys Yeah. That are below you. And then you’re five more years trying to get through those guys again. Especially in some of these states with preference points in that. So Yeah. Yeah. It’s, it’s pretty important and big though. So license application, we’re gonna make sure you’re never gonna miss that or with the magazine or you become a member, you’re gonna get text messages and like that reminders, reminder either or
To know. Well, and this isn’t just texting. This is so much deeper than that. Oh yeah. And it’s so much. But, but like you said, these are just a couple of the things that we hear of that people like, right? Yeah.
You get a magazine, you get a text, you get an email, who alert when deadlines are. And so if you are the guy that likes to be in control and do your applications fine. But if you’re finding yourself too busy, your life circumstances have changed. You’ve got such a big raise and so many people that you’re over in life and business and work and all that, you can’t even pause to apply for a point on the application. You might better have somebody do your
Yeah. And there’s some things like Montana’s kind of a crazy system. And so, you know, it’s the bonus point. System preference point in the general, when do I get that point? I needed a year in advance so I know I’m going in 2026. I need to do that this year. If you’re not going this year, you wouldn’t have got the preference last year, but you would’ve got the bonus. There’s just things like that, that’s knowing the ins and outs of a system and not having to know every little thing. Like your tax accountant, Bronson, how about that Tax, the tax accountants this last few weeks. Fun stuff. Eh? I’m sick of it. Okay. And but the good thing is I’m not sick of them. I’m not sick of them. End for them. Yeah.
Just your end stuff is just,
It’s brutal. But we don’t need to know the ins and outs because they do and we trust them. And that’s the way we look at it here at Epic Outdoors as far as hunting applications and, and preparing for hunts and booking hunts. This is also heavy time for guys lining up, you know, for this year, next year, two, three years out on getting hunts booked with guaranteed tags as well. So a lot going on. I think we should dive in. I there’s a lot to dive in. We got a lot to go. Is there, oh dude, we,
We got No sir. We’re gonna hear
About your Creed more Kill the, the most recent Creedmore Kill Creedmore
Is not even, it’s not even production,
Not
Even scope.
We’re lining up another story as well. Yes. And then possibly talking about the show season. Dude, we’re gonna be, if we sell you Oh, a fierce rifle and a scope, we’re gonna mount the scope for free if you’d like. I mean, we’ve got deals coming up for show specials. Yep. And we’re gonna beat the, the expo and the wild show next week. I also want to, before we dive into that though, I wanna remind people we are the best deal out there. If you’re a member of Epic Outdoors, we’re the best deal out there. So you don’t have to come to the show and see us to get a screaming deal. Our members get screaming deals year round. And so I, I guess I kind of wanted dispel that a little bit. However we do wanna see at the show. And it’s always well worth seeing what the show specials are. Yeah.
Yes.
Well you can just, I mean there’s obviously if you, if you spend enough here, it’s free shipping anyway. But if, you know, if you buy something smaller, what other we hand it to you. There’s no shipping. There’s, there’s stuff you’re gonna save by picking it up at the show.
And
If you have the ability to drive home and you don’t, if you’re flying home, you don’t wanna fly home with five grand in optics and you’re carrying on. We get it. But anyway,
Well you might, who knows,
You could buy it and we could have, have the ladyship.
I mean, you can take, you can travel with 10 grand in cash and so if you, you know, might be worth it. Hey, hey, take the mama doesn’t know fund and bring it. You know what I mean? Yeah. All right. So Josh, let’s, let’s let you dive into some of that just a little bit.
Yeah. We’re just starting to get loaded up. I’ve been working, getting a bunch of stuff ready for this week. So yeah, we’ll be leaving Tuesday morning heading out to go to Reno, hauling a trailer out there. A trailer that’s got optics in it. So we’re gonna be bringing, bringing a bunch of stuff and, and even if, let’s say you show up there and you don’t want to take something home with you, we’ll have the option that you can talk about it there. Look, look at it, hold it, you know, we’re gonna be bringing lots of new stuff that’s just come out this year.
Let’s, can we talk about some of that? Yeah, yeah. New because I think it’s important.
Yeah, I agree.
Agree. There are a lot of stuff that that’s, that’s gonna be new.
Yeah. Some of the XI stuff, you know, they come up with a new HDX line of binos. Those are awesome. We were just looking at ’em yesterday in,
In point in, but no joke, clarity of op. Yeah,
I mean yesterday we, A guy was looking at ’em and he’s like, wow, no kidding. Like these are, you know, these are awesome. Significant upgrade to what he, he had and the price was even a second. Wow. When we told him, you know, because for the quality that you get with that Bino, it’s pretty awesome. How about
The V eight scopes?
Yep. We’re gonna have those two. So we’ll have both of those. Probably the first time you’ve ever had ’em in your hands. No. And there’s gonna be an even extra HDX vinyls. There’s actually gonna be a little bit of a show special on those as well. More so, so they’re gonna be a 10 power, hoping to have the 15 powers there. They’ll probably have one in the, in the ZES booth. Hope we’re hoping to have ’em there as well to sell. But swirl, we got a bunch of, got a bunch of s swirl stuff, you know, we got the new EL range twelves that just were announced earlier this week.
I held a pair of, you know what that we had a little shooting event ’cause they unveiled their new rifle scopes. The Z five i line ZZ five I plus or whatever, Z five plus I and the non I. Anyway, there’s a whole new lineup. And it’s that mid range, kind of that mid range for, for ua. You’re talking, you know, down into the 16, 1700 and, and to 2,400. Yeah. Somewhere in there. Yep. And, and incredible rifle scopes that, you know, with 40 minutes of, of, of adjustment on the exterior. Two, two revolutions, 30 millimeter tubes, all of that came out. And while we were down there shooting, they also had the twelves. Right. The el twelves. And it was no joke. You got to look at ’em, feel, hold them, play with ’em, you know, test them, all of that. It was awesome.
And that was the, they had a little contest while they were down there and somebody we know may have took first.
How about I
Have you got a price for that
Condition? Hey, what? Well, have you
Got a price yet
For that wasn’t promised. It’s coming. I’ve just, yeah,
It’s
Six months. Won a, won a rifle scope
I think would, didn’t they say it? Wasn’t it like the, it was because they were shooting like an antelope target? Is that what it was? Like? That’s why he was so tuned
In. Okay.
That’s why he wanted it was because
It was wild. Well, okay. So they lined us up and they, these guys are no joke. Okay. So I little do I know, I’m just Jason, whatever, you know, and you’re bringing down some of the sharp shooters across the west of guys that are selling the scopes and t you know, revere themselves as I’m, I know what I’m doing on the range. This is my job. Yeah. You know what I mean? And I’m just Jason, I like to kill stuff,
You know. That’s how wise, even at that Z thing we went to this summer
Too. How’d that go? Same thing. Same thing. Weird
Was just shooting guns and all of a sudden they’re like, oh, this was a competition.
No, this is the no joke competition. Yeah. Like this is what we came for. Yeah. You know, we’re gonna, we’re gonna wipe you in the freaking dirt. You know what I mean? Some people
Put some things like that on their calendar at the start of the year.
Oh man. And anyway, I’m just like, okay. So anyway, they get going on on this whole competition thing and it’s, and it’s really good ’cause you’re, it makes you use the scope, it makes you dial, it makes you think, you’re ranging, dialing, thinking all of those things. And, and it’s timed. And so anyway, you’re shooting the long distance target, whatever it is, 400 yards or whatever it was. Well, not super long distance, but once you hit it, then you rotate dial down and you’re shooting a hundred yards and you’ve got playing cards. You know what I mean? Just tiny little playing cards.
Spades. And, and anyway, I missed, I missed the freaking out. ’cause I’m so focused on having all the time in the world on the hundred yarder, you know what I mean? And so then you gotta go back and shoot it. This is all timed. So I go back to shoot it and everybody’s mostly just barely making the time within a second or two. Wow. Three seconds, whatever. And I’m like, how do you miss, like who misses? And it’s straight up, the only thing I’m doing, I’m swinging before I pull the trigger, I’m swinging to the hundred because this is no joke, the easiest target in the world to hit. I, I’ve hit it before I’ve even pulled the trigger in my mind. Freaking miss it. I don’t know. Jan it total Jan. And then I gotta go back to it. Hit it just fine. Nothing illegal about, that’s just eating up time. Yeah. And then I swing on the hundred and I pull the trigger before I even feel like before you, the gun even stops. I just pull the trigger because you gotta get a hole on paper. Yeah. Before the, but, and then I’m sitting there in the freak and everybody’s like, huh. And it’s silent. They can’t see a hole. They’re just like, huh. Wow. Good work Jason. How many deer have you killed with a gun? You know what I mean? Kind of thing.
Don’t worry, you’ll get it someday.
Yeah. Don’t worry Jason, you’ll, this will get better for you as you practice. And so anyway, so
Then you walked up there, marched up there.
Well, no, I’m just like, whatever. The guy goes down, everybody’s already looking through the, through spotters down there and they’re like, oh, it looks like so and so probably won and this and that. And I’m just sitting there silent and I’m like, I know I didn’t miss like I just know. I just know. Anyway, the guy goes down there, throws it, here’s
Number
Six. Yeah. He throws it in the trunk or whatever. The hatchback, whatever he was driving, he throws it in. The target comes up and he goes, who’s number six? And I’m like, that’d be me. And he goes dead freaking center. And it is no joke. Look at that dead freaking center. And it’s just part of the whole gig. Who’s the other
Kid next? Oh no, sorry. I the
Other guy. That would be Kobe. Okay. Little fella. Anyway. Good, good friend of ours. And of course awesome guy. Supportive. We appreciate his support too. So anyway. Yeah, I didn’t know it was a big deal. Of course I had to hoot and holler for just a quick second. Now look at me like they’re ready to throw me in the dirt. So whatever. Good times. Anyway, so, so
Yeah, we’re gonna
Have, we do have new product coming. Yep. Well it’s, it’s here.
Well yeah, we have
About
14 coming to, to Reno. Yep. We
Good people. You might have seen them. You, you know, I mean they’re, we’ve sold, I don’t know how many pairs of those, but we’ve got ’em through our waiting list for a while now and got ’em on the shelf. So we have those if you wanna,
So we’re gonna have, we’re gonna have one there for you to look at. We’re gonna hold one for kind of a display model so that way you can have one and whoever probably the first person to come up and ask if we have one will get
One. It’s hard to quantify going back to the twelves a little. I do, yes. The fourteens are huge and, and we are, we do have ’em. And if you want one, call us. And by the way, we’re the best deal out there. But on the 12 el ranges people were like, what’s the difference between an EL range 12 and an NL 12? And I would say like the comfort light, a ergonomics
Yes. Is completely different.
But then when you look at the actual dimensions as far as the specifications and the field of view, I would say it’s like 20 or 25% difference in field of view. Less field of view on the el twelves. Having said that, I don’t think humans could tell the difference in the clarity, quality, light, transmission, things like that.
What about, what about someone like me? Could I tell the difference?
I don’t think you can tell the difference. I don’t think you can tell
Tell the differe difference. You’re saying I’m you’re saying I’m just an ordinary human.
Well, what you’re saying, I think you’re extraordinary. Okay, Mr.
Bronstein. So no, I think you’re extraordinary. Well you’re have a bottom the barrel human or an extraordinary human. You can’t tell the difference is what you’re saying.
Yeah. I don’t, I don’t think you can tell the difference. You there, there’s, there is a difference in size and there’s a difference in some of that. But if you want an, an el range finder in a 12, you can, you mount this on the tripod. Okay. Yeah. Standard from the factory. If you buy the factory tripod adapter, you’re gonna be able to put a 12 on a tripod. We all do that. You’re gonna wanna do that.
Well it comes down to personal preference. Jason and I have long said,
We have standalone range finds.
We, we like, we like the just the buy knows only. That’s just what I like. Good
Close family friend Reed Miller yesterday was telling me I like an E range. I don’t want a separate rangefinder. Wyatt. I don’t want a separate rangefinder Pollock. I don’t want a s and and Pollock you seem pretty good at killing stuff. So whatever you’re doing’s working. Well I’m just, I’m saying there’s no right or wrong.
Yeah. But, but partly for me and, and I even guide, so it does have benefit to have ’em all together. It does at times. But for me, as much time as we spend glassing scouting all of that, we’d look through my, I look through my glass. I’m gonna say 95, 90 9% of the time I don’t need my rangefinder and I’m looking through it. Yeah, you need it for the 1% or less, right? Yeah. So I don’t, I want the comfort. I want all the ergonomic, I want that for me. And they’re smaller, they’re lighter. I have all those outweigh that benefit for me. And, and yeah, in the moment of truth sometimes, well you don’t have to switch. Usually when you get ready to kill something that’s already outta your little pouch, it’s laying right there. It might cost you a second or two, three, whatever. But all of the other 99% of the time when I’m scouting all year long, you don’t need a range finder. When you’re hunting and you don’t have anything, you’re gonna shoot and you’re just looking for your animal. You don’t need it. So that’s just me personally. Other people have a different take. Just
Like you’re saying, some people like the 10 by 32 el ranges and they’re don’t don’t you
Have a
Parallel? Yeah. Well I mean may or may not. If it green, it’s pretty well. Got it. That’s what I switched. And I think you’re the same. I switched
To the 32.
I feel guilty at times. I mean,
And I don’t get rid of stuff. I, I don’t, well like I’ve got my regular old DLS and I like take ’em when I just archery elk hunt and I’m in thicker stuff.
And that’s one thing about I don’t need 12 buying a quality optic with name brand recognition. So you don’t, we sell it such a deal. You’re not gonna lose much if anything when you go to resell it in a couple years. If you want to trade up, trade down, whatever, change models. Pollock, what were you saying? Tell me again. We breezed over your comment just barely.
Oh no, I just said I switched to the 30
Twos, the 10 by 32. Yeah. Yeah. And how have you liked, tell us a little bit about
They’re,
Because
It’s the least. It’s awesome because I don’t, like Adam was saying, I don’t, yes, I glass through ’em a lot, but I don’t glass through ’em a lot. Like they’re, they’re kind of a, and it all comes back to just muscle memory for me it’s just so much faster. And I can see with both eyes open, having the 10 power, I’ve just learned that and that’s why I like it. But because I usually use a 12, a 14, something like that to glass with the tens just kind of on my chest. And I don’t need another big set of bins in that 10 by 42 is a little bit larger than, especially than the the 32 for sure. Oh yeah. So I I do like that you’re
Trying to, you’re trying to get the same ergonomics that I have with my 12 peers by going down to a 10 by 32
At the rangefinder. Have more electronic capabilities. Yeah.
Okay.
I mean, you know, I just, I’d look a couple years ago I was in Colorado with my brother and, and he’d killed a buck and he had, he had hit him and knocked him down and it was in some thick oak and he was trying to get a range from it. ’cause he had his ballistics built into his handheld range finder. And when you’re looking from seven power trying to get through there, it was hard to pick that deer out. And, but I put my vinyls up and like that I,
I’ll admit that
Thing
I’ll freely admit,
Especially that’s where some of that stuff that I just, I
Just go with, especially like co deer, you can’t even see him. Yes. You have to find yeah. A green, a rock or a bush that you’re hitting. You cannot, I can’t see him. Yep. Out there through a seven power monocular. I I freely admit it just happened to me. Yeah,
Yeah. But we’re gonna have something to think about with these shows. And the show specials is there are some of these products that have gone up in price for 2025. Yes.
So it happens every year. Yes. And then people are holding, holding, holding. And I get it, you got the holidays and Christmas season and all of all the things that are hard on a bank account, but then you do have price increases inflation, which we’ve seen a little bit of that.
Yeah. So this, the show season, whether it’s the the Sheep show or like say Western Hunt Expo that we’re gonna be to in a month, now is the time for you to basically get the 2024 pricing again on those products. On on a lot of it. That’s kind of what most of it is, is you get that reduced price at not the 2025 pricing just yet. You get the, basically the 2024 pricing without going into details and pricing and all that. And so yeah, it’s a good time. It’s a good time to snag some of those. If, if you do have summary.
And I think part of that is we, we are taking a double axle trailer full. Okay. And I, and I hate saying that ’cause you feel like there might be like the, the old train carrying all
I was say, Jason, you tell him we do ride, we, we drive
Highway 50 Josh and he’s gonna be armed to the hill with Logan, with Logan Bear and Bear and Cash. Brad heaven knows he knows how to use it. Right. Logan,
We’re we’re not gonna go through Minville or not way. So we’re gonna go help. Yes. Otherwise we’ll
Probably be seeing that we’re gonna go down deeper through Nevada like Toop. Yeah.
Anyway, having said all that, not like we have a hundred of each and every model. So if you want something, come see us right off the bat and you’ll be able to put it in your carry on as you go home or whatever. Yeah. But, but anyway, but we’re also ordering all the time and that’s fine. A lot of guys will buy at the show and we’ll send it.
Yeah. So I was just gonna say, if you don’t want to come and order it there, let’s get you that good pricing and stuff. Order it and then we can have it shipped the same day from our office.
Yeah. And then also, of course, member pricing always exists. You are gonna get a steal of a deal if you just are a member of Epic Outdoors. Just another side benefit, the crux of all this, this isn’t a, a glassing podcast, but glassing here in the west is imperative to success and of story. And so we talk a lot about it on top of being a dealer for all the major brands and, and and whatnot. And so we get excited about it and it’s, it’s important. I think part of it is just the equipment and u utilize utilizing the equipment and the best bang for your buck and all of those things. So anyway, but the main crux is of Epic Outdoors is tags, applying for tags, buying hunts, booking hunts, planning, strategizing, long-term plans, short-term plans, midterm plans and, and anything and everything. Big game. And so that’s the crux of Epic Outdoors.
So yeah, we’ll be at, just so you know, booth 6 81 there
Talking hunting
Kind of, kind of at the back. If you, if you walk in through front
Logan Beach
To it. Walk, walk straight back. Couldn’t find it. 6 81. I’ve been
Texting Logan to find that so we can announce it here. Paul knew it off the top of his
Back into the left. Just a little bit farther. There you go. Right to your right.
It’s already been case out the
Neighbors. So if you walk Well Wyatt,
Wyatt Wyatt’s doing heavy research at home. On on what?
Well he’s got
Both booth locations.
He’s, he’s, he’s successfully got, he’s gotta walk through them front to the back ’cause we’re located the, out the route. Yeah. He, so he’s got all the fish and game agencies logged so he knows he can avoid all of those booths.
Why does, what is he avoiding them for? I don’t know. I think that guy,
That guy’s
We need to be hyperfocused on Wyatt. If he, if has, there’s obviously something he’s hiding from.
If
He has a volunteer police officer working corrupt parade control here, he’s nervous.
He anybody It’s a hundred percent true. Doesn’t matter. The ones that say volunteer along the side, which means I have no credentials at all.
Yeah. I couldn’t do anything to you if you did anything bad. I couldn’t. I don’t even have a taser.
Don’t tell me about it. Just
Don’t ask, don’t tell.
Just do good things. I’ll drive straight ahead anyway. Keep going. Yeah,
No. So just come and see us there. It’ll be well worth your time. We’ll be there. We’ve got a little bigger booth this year and we’ll
Have a whole What are the dates section here?
The 16th,
18 January 16th to 18th.
Yep. 16th to the 18th. So right. The Friday, Saturday coming off
Next week. Yep. Coming right at us. And then also then we go to the hunt expo here in Utah. Again, a not a must not miss type show. You’re going to learn something. If you’ve never come out to the hunt expo, you should absolutely come. It’s hunt expo.com. You can apply for your 200 tags, five bucks a whack and and whatnot. And so anyway, one, one entry per tags, like you’re gonna be able to buy multiple
Entries and that’s that It really is a big show. I’ve talked to a few of our optics companies that we deal with and stuff and they’ve, they’ve dropped some shows, some of ’em out their, out of their, their lineup, whether it’s hunting shows, burning shows, whatever, like they’ve decided to, they had to come up with a list of shows we need to drop and shows we need to keep. And all of them have said like Western Hunt is the one they are keeping. It’s like at the top of the list as far as hunting. And,
And we have the best boost space there.
We do in the
White tail world. It’s called the pinch point.
Good point. Hey, I like it. Yeah, I like it.
We’re in the saddle, right?
There’s some scrapes right down the line. We
Got some. It’s right on the hard 90 man.
It’s
Lots, lots of Rutten.
Well oh,
It’s cruising. It’s
Cruising. It is. There’s a lot. It’s called a lot
Of cruising going wrong right there. What’s that number? Zoom in a little bit. Logan. 29 something.
17 Something isn’t
27 4 7 27 44.
That’s what it’s,
It don’t matter. It’s at the pinch point. You’re gonna, you’re gonna see us whether you wanna look for us or not, you’re gonna come right by us.
Speaking of pinch points and Wyatt and loops and everything. Pork eye
Loops.
Yeah. Like eight o’clock comes this morning. We thought he’s not, he’s not here. We needed a
10 40.
He texted me, but I had something I, I couldn’t ignore for a minute. So I couldn’t tell y’all.
We, we didn’t know what was going on with both. But it was, there’s just this weird feeling when it,
People supposed eats on your pizza and it’s the, the, for
The first time you’ve ever eaten at a certain restaurant.
It’s the first question
Everyone asked. That’s he’s blaming Devin, but I’m not. Devon ate the same thing. So Yeah,
Yesterday, yesterday Wyatt very much has a loop. When you go to lunches and lunches there’s about three to six places.
Well there’s seven days in, in a week and one night he might, he,
I don’t wanna violate his trust, tell the loop. I I don’t think we should.
I don’t. But
Nobody needs to intercept him and say, Hey Wyatt, no, Wednesdays you’re here,
Wyatt, you’re a good guy.
It may involve rib ribs at lens at least twice a week. But, but well yesterday me and Devin had been talking about trying to get him off his loop at least once to take him somewhere and I was busy checking stuff yesterday so I didn’t go with him. But Devin took him to a new place. Sounds like he may have got into some new forage, got into local weed a little bit, made him sick, got him off his, off his loop. And
He’s definitely down and out.
You’re gonna see that puked his, that guy’s not gonna trust us ever again. Ever.
No. And Devin
Ate the exact same food, same place. It’s fine. So it had to be something he got once Devon, Devon actually drove him home last night ’cause his truck was
Getting worked on the man dinner that he had last night. Yes. Was was. Or
The ribs that were two weeks old and he forgot he had ’em. That’s right. He
They were under a heat lamp. Yeah. Last 14 years. So
Anyway, he, anyway, he dropped him off and that needless to say what
He’ll be fine.
Why? Because of his loops, we know needs a good,
He needs a good clean out. He’ll be fine when it’s
Eight o’clock in the morning and Wyatt’s not here and we know there’s,
So, but yeah, no, come there. We’ve got, we’ll have also some of the new, those element range finders that we’ve been talking about, some of the new sig image stabilizing bins, those
Sig image stabilizers are no joke. We’re gonna have Vortex Leica cows. Yeah. I mean, geez. You know, where does it end? Of course Eyes, we’ve talked about sro. Yep. Am I missing something? Guns
Stuff a little bit
SA
Little bit of
Pulsar pulsar
Pulsar. Some loopholes. Yeah.
Anyway, stuff. And then talking raw hunting too. Yeah. Everything to do with big game hunting. So anyway, that’s what therefore, alright, so moving right along. Let’s, let’s be done with that. Let’s talk about a, let’s talk about the, the Creedmore Midget Buck Bronson.
Alright. All you listeners
Out. I do not use a Creed book. I haven’t ever, do you have one?
I do. It was my daughter’s gun. It was my, it was for her. Okay. And she’s, you know, they, you’ve got, it was before six five PRC was invented, so it was a big deal. You know, the rifle
That won the west,
It’s just a little, the rifle
That wound the west,
It’s the exact same.
It’s straight up wounded the west.
She’s never wounded anything with it. She’ll come, I’ll get her in the podcast, she’ll get pod You don’t wanna get her mad Anyway, this is the one gun she’s killed. Antelope deer.
Whatever’s not that’s the one gun does not maintain value.
She tells me, she says, I don’t ever get rid of that gun. So if they got confidence in a gun, you kind of want to keep it around. But anyway, needless to say, I had the Jason caught me into making it into a ex extreme. And it’s true Kyle Wolf hunting gun. It’s
True. So, and it would be amazing. Yes.
Right. So,
But, but you did that and it wasn’t three minutes later. Well,
I just decided
It’s on
Craigslist decided I, it’s not on Craigslist, but I just decided, you know, I I I don’t have time, most of the time to hunt predators for, for us is in the winter months, frankly. Because, and
While we’re hunting big game or something.
Well, we’re here, we’re sitting in the office. Yeah. So it’s hard. It’s the same reason I don’t trap, I haven’t trapped for a long time because we
Have no life. We’re you’re dealing with Western big
Game 48 hour trap laws. And who can do that when, when we’re still busy like we are in the winter. So Right. For all you people, you law dogs that are thinking you’re gonna catch law dogs, you know, Bobcat trapping. I don’t even trap. So take the tracker off my truck and move on to somebody
Else. Okay. Okay. Me too. All right. Take mine off too, Jason too.
That’s
Right. Don’t do anything wrong. You’re
Wasting your time and the taxpayer’s money. But
Anyway, Logie bear. I would like it off my truck as well. Yeah. While we’re throwing out requests, he’s been out and about doing a few janky things. Has he? Name one, I don’t think you, I can’t think name. You probably lost a wrapper outta your truck or something. I don’t know. Never.
No, but I just, I did, I didn’t, so I didn’t shoot anything at the Creedmore Carter, but, but I’ve had other people ask me since you’d like to tease
Me about it. Well, I assume they’re onto something.
I’ve got bigger things to kill with that thing. If I would’ve shot a co deer with it. You would’ve said, yeah, that’s the only thing you could kill with it. So I’m smarter than to just, it’s like I don’t wanna shoot a coyote with it. ’cause you’re like, oh, you’ve basically said you gotta kill coyotes with that. That’s all. It’s good for
You. You should truly use it. You should truly
Use it. I’m, trust me it, I’ve got plans and I’m not, until it happens, nobody’s gonna know. And I’ll have proof. It’ll be on video. If I have to have Logan there documenting it with a seamless video stream of no splicing, it will occur.
I wanna see it. I wanna see it on, on live Instagram live
Fine. That means I have to hunt with their cell service also.
Could you imagine? Live on a need more. Let’s do it wound. Try it again. Wound, hit it again. It again. Hit it. He’s still up. Hit it again. It’s like shut it off. Right. Exactly.
We’re it could happen.
We’re gonna finish the job. Get it, turn it off. Gimme the rum. Yeah, gimme the rum. Well it seems like you did talk about the rum yesterday. Bronson
Did I? Yeah. Well I’m just daydreaming. You bought a new rum or got a new drum a few months ago and I’m just
Well, they’ve got this new seven m backcountry and we keep saying Well they’re just, they’re just trying to get to the rum, right? Pollock. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. The shock and awe break. Its back when you hit ’em in the chest. Yep. Type rum. Exactly.
I’m not, I already have a rum, but you know,
We never can have too many.
Exactly. So I’m just thinking. I don’t, I only have one 30 cow. I, I I like, I like sevens and six fives pretty.
Oh, they are dogs. I a lot of,
I like the, don’t, don’t, I’ve said this too many times, but I’ll say it again. I don’t hunt elk with a rifle very often. Most of the time I hunt a bow. So my hunting elk or even larger game than that, I have a rum for it. And I’ve killed moose. I’ve killed stuff like that with a rum. Killed, killed elk. But I just don’t need it. I don’t need it. There’s a lot of benefits shooting slightly.
There is. And suppressed we’re kind of, it’s kind of, it’s kind of fun too. But let’s talk about, oh, talk about this little fell.
Had a fun time down there. I think I looked over 45 bucks. I was hunting. Hunting for four days. 15. With
Your hoy or what were you hunting?
A 6.5 Hoyt. Yeah.
I like it. I like it. Those are the kind I like,
They also call ’em long bows.
I like that. I like it.
Anyway, but no fun little animals to hunt. I, I like cos deer. I, I like to glass. If you know, if you’re from Southern Utah. Yeah.
Obviously
Hunt a lot of mule deer. We sit behind glass. You sit behind glass a ton hunting sheep, which I do a lot of with hunters and stuff like that. That’s just how you hunt ’em. That’s, and you’d break it apart and you’d look it over some primes for four hours in the same spot and you looked at everything 10 times and all of a sudden there’s one standing there. ’cause literally they can be beded. Doesn’t matter what, where they’re at. They’re just little,
They two and a half times the size of the Jack Rabbit.
Well, and the brush up there and stuff is, I mean the grass, they had a big monsoon season. I mean there’s a lot of grass down there. Yeah. Anyway, long, long story short, they can hide really well. They’re fun to hunt. And finally found a good deer. He was tending one dough. Really wasn’t any sign of rut at all. Wow. Nope. Saw little bucks kind of chasing, which is what you would expect in, you know, first. But it’s just, I think it’s just the warm, it was like 65, 70 degrees hot. Nice. I mean, I got sunburned a little bit. So anyway, finally, what was it? Tuesday found a, found him Tuesday morning. I’d been there since, I think I glass him up at about 10 o’clock. Killed him about 10, 20. Made a metal stalk of 500 yards.
What I, what I really liked about the story was it was like you were laying under the same exact tree as before. Like it’s just kind of those same areas last year. Yeah. That’s really cool.
Killed I killed two deer it back to back gears and shot ’em from under the same tree.
How cool is that? Was your brass laying there?
Well, I picked him up, but I actually thought about that. Yeah,
It’s really cool.
Anyway, it’s kind of crazy. I mean, literally the deer were dead 200 yards apart.
Wow. I just don’t understand. It’s weird. That’s what happens all the time is you, we’ll pull big deer, mule, deer, whatever it is. Seems like sometimes those same areas pollock you on elk and some of your scouting and stuff reveals the same areas are consistently good no matter what. There’s even, every
Year, not all units, sheep are a lot more nomadic, but in our desert sheep world, we have a couple places that will always check first or that we check more often throughout a hunt, knowing something’s gonna show up here. You know, you got some Es and a big ram will show up and boom, there he is. We kill one. And I dunno how many little secret spots we have like that of sheep that this is gonna be good for a big Graham. He’s gonna, we’re gonna kill him if we’ve got a hunter with enough time or you know, oftentimes that’s maybe a resident of Utah where you can go hunt for a few days, go home, come back for three or four days, come back if you need to or put it off. So anyway, but had a fun hunt about a 410 yard shot. And anyway, had a slight wind. It actually drifted on me. I didn’t, I didn’t hold for the wind no good. But, but it hit him just in front of the shoulder. You can kind of see it there. Yeah. Right where the shoulder meets the neck. But yeah, it dropped him in his tracks. I mean, there was a slight right to left ear, but,
And so, and the wind, obviously that was the wind.
Well, I, I’m blaming it on that. How about that? The wind was coming from that direction.
I’m with you.
But anyway, it was fun and, but yeah, it set off my eyes. It was little farts something, something about them. They, they set me off. I don’t, I’m not allergic to many animals, but those, those get me. Oh, sneezing like son of a bee. You
Need a good clean out. What do we, the nage clean.
Well, and I got back to the truck and I, you know, have all my, you know, ’cause when you, you know, when you’re starting to, you know, you’re starting to want to go make your way back to civilization, meet with other people. You don’t wanna work camo through, whether you’re going through airports or you’re going through driving through the real world again, you’re, I guess this, who’s this guy pulling into McDonald’s? Walking into full camel? You know, so, but I, I took everything off, threw it in the back of back and, and wore real good clubs because I don’t want it in, in my cab with me driving, I was, I was in a bad way. Cool. Little buck. I don’t so bad. I walked through the office yesterday and Devin looked at me and says,
You look like crap.
Yeah.
You, you get sleep, you’ve been crying,
You get sleep.
You and Becky. All right.
Awesome. Buck though. Heavy little sucker. Looks like a mully.
It is. Awesome.
Well, I saw that the first thing I saw about him, I saw it. He forked in the back and then I could see kinda, I mean, Wyatt wouldn’t give him as maybe squarer ball, but what is, what is Wyatt?
He doesn’t know everything. He
Doesn’t, he’s trying to learn how to he score ecky at the moment. He
Doesn’t know. Well there’s people that are really excited about it. Guys here in Cedar City are losing their mind.
Well, somebody’s gotta have a world record.
Well, the first entry, I wanna be that guy. Yeah. I told him, let’s put on like courses. It’s pretty easy to scoring courses.
Who do you, how do you field judge one?
I’d like to know. Huh? I don’t know. I’d like to know. And then what are the rules? Like if you baited one, is that bad fair?
Is it
Not fair? Chase? I mean, I think if you kill one of those, however you did it. You were, you were a, a solid citizen.
Have you ever killed one? And then if you actually ate the whole thing, oh, you’re even a bigger man.
Nah, you’re, you’re, you’re gonna have good clean outs, Wyatt. I mean, you’re gonna be sicker dog. Let’s
Ask, ask Wyatt. It hit first day back when white’s back. Hopefully that’s tomorrow. Want some color
Pepper?
You wants a avelina steak? You
Want avelina steak? How about some ribs? I dunno. Yes.
Pork be amazing. Pork family be amazing. They might be good, who
Knows? Anyway, but yeah, Boone and Crockett’s, except now we’ve got, I guess they need something to breed life into, to the, to the program or the entity. I don’t know. I don’t, I don’t quite understand it, but hey, I think
You could have a wolf in there before
Coyotes.
I mean
Ery, you know, jackrabbits and stuff. There’s some big, big jackrabbit. I’m driving along. I, okay, so story.
Some of these will throw your front end alignment out. Oh,
I had a jackrabbit, I remember right. It was no joke. We’re driving along in Nevada and I was back in the guiding days anyway. And this jackrabbit went from standing steel. Okay. And it was a 2007, three quarter tons, you know, up high, the six oh motor. Anyway, it was up high, high hood, high kind of a hood. Jackrabbit went, bounced straight up. And I’m doing like 55 and hit the center of my windshield.
What?
Straight up. That’s Bill Goff. He was in the passenger seat.
That, that would’ve been a bill
Go in California. That was
Straight up breeder buck. Oh, that thing with the jump that he could out jump Kyle, anything that those genetics are gone.
Dude, jackalope Jack, that’s
A 48 inch
Vertical came to mind. I mean, it, it hit the center of my windshield and we were like, what? Just like, normally you’re just like, it’s
Like an hour or something. Might do that. But not a jumper.
I mean,
Geez, you had a jumper
Jumper straight up. I mean, not, not like running from the truck or anything. I was just gonna center it. No problem. I’ll take his head off with the diff and it went straight up dead center windshield. I was like, did
You have green off the side or did it just do a dust spot on your windshield?
Just a big
Dust spot. Like those owls, like
A dust bunny. And I mean it plastered the whole window I had to turn on.
That’s what happens when you hit a owl. Yeah. Or bird. Yes. It just puts that group dusty grease stuff all over
It. Okay, well, okay, got an owl story. Ki threw his whole windshield out with an owl. Yeah,
It was, Wayne had it
Back when I was getting married. All that kind of stuff. So Wayne
Had an encounter for now
This year anyway, kind of, I don’t know, the little fun stories I miss. We need to get out in the hills. What
Do you mean? We
Have been, well we have been, yeah, we’ve been
Smashing some, but it is dogs of Epic. We’re already January, first week in January and we’re cabin fever round here. I mean, it’s when we’re in the office, we can’t complain. We’re talking about stuff we love and like, but hey, when you’re talking about a jackrabbit, you know, things are,
Things are
Wild, things are low.
Oh, it’s good. We’re, we’re working our guts out on, on the magazines and information. That’s what this business is all about, information service. And so anyway, appreciate all you listeners out there. I don’t know, I just feel like giving something away. Is there any really,
Yeah,
I would like to, like is there something you got that we could give away? We wanna give away like an element range finder We could or something. Yeah. For
What?
I don’t know. Just for being a good guy or
Gal. Okay. Well how do they enter
A loyal listener? How do they come up with something? Logan? How are they gonna enter just for being a good person? Hey, listen, if you’re listening to Epic, epic Outdoors podcast, you’re probably a pretty good person.
I’d agree with that.
Wouldn’t you say? Yeah. Paula, nine
Out 10 people.
You had to seek
It all. Paula, you got any ideas on how to, how to give something away? I wanna do it quick. Like, I think we should do it by, we’re gonna Wednesday or something,
We’re gonna post the announcement of this episode on Instagram. Go comment on it. We’ll put your names into a drawing. Give
Straight up comment. You don’t have to lag, no gimmicks straight up. Just
Call, let us know you listen to the episode. Hey,
Just
Say, hey listen, but listen, I’m gonna, I’m gonna put some sideboards on that comment. If anybody mentions need more creed more, you’re, you’re thrown out of the drawing. Fuck.
Come on, let’s do
That. Logan. Logan.
Let’s call it hashtag
Need more. No, no. If you do it
Need
More. If you, you’re kicked out on
A post. I don’t even And they get a free home optic.
Yeah, no you’re not. If you mention that in your comments, you’re, you’re not eligible to enter any contest we ever do at this company, ever. This
Company?
No, I don’t use the gun and it’s very capable. It would
Vote. We’re gonna have to vote on that.
It’s more of like a, an elk gun.
I know. If they say that they listened. That’s, that’s all we’re asking. Alright, so if, just make a comment. Huh?
Make a comment. We’ll put your name and
Comment
Of Halina. You could comment. Just say Ha
VY. Your
Comment has say halina. That way we know you listened or havi you’re just following your, we’ve actually
Hashtag hashtag havi.
Let’s, let’s, okay, we’ve talked about this. Hypothetically, let’s wildcat that creed more into a 6.5 havi. Let, let’s just call it that. It’s probably good for Havi
It guaranteed it is
Six five Havi.
I’m looking up the
Tag. It has a ring.
Oh, there’s 21,000 posts under. Have you? How about about JADY? Let’s do IE
They can, as long as they comment on the post though, we’ll keep track
Of them. Oh yeah. It’s only a thousand plus posts on J-A-V-I-E.
What? That must be a name, like a Spanish name or
Something. Yeah, I don’t know. Javi
That shouldn’t have that many people.
Okay. Just make a comment. Just make a comment. Make a
Comment. Non creed more we’re good or need more.
And it’ll have to be on what? Facebook and Instagram? Either or, because some people aren’t on Instagram that are on Facebook. It’s all right. We can do Facebook and Instagram. Both of them. You’re good with it? Yep. And it’ll be by Wednesday. We’ll give it away. Yep.
How about threads and x
Wednesdays X. Oh, I’m just,
Where do we draw the line? We’ll, we’ll announce some people. We’re setting up trucks while we’re setting
Up trucks. Social media, truth, social, I mean, come on, Trump. That’s a good one. Could there not be a little better name than that? Truth.
Social can’t be two words. It’s the best.
There is. I dunno.
You could just call it maga. Do maga It’s rolls off your tongue better than we could.
We could, we could say
Six five maga hashtag
Maga in the comment.
Let’s just make it easy. But there we,
There we out. All of our good friends.
Friends, there’s only one thing. You all of our two words you can’t mention. I just don’t wanna hear the comments anymore. People
What do you want know what the need more agreed more either one.
Yes. I wouldn’t know. I wouldn’t know if how effective they are. We need to know. I’ve never shot anything with it.
We need to know the orx hunt coming up needs to happen.
Yeah, from what I’ve heard, those things, I’m taking a little bit bigger bullet. So plus, plus I would do this, but I’m also hunting with my daughter. Yes. And I envision potentially this happening. You need a, a herd of them. And, and what is a herd of Orx called? Look it up, Logan. I, I’m pretty sure they’re called a herd because they’re planes.
They are. It’s
A herd. But, but, but I, I’ve also, Hey, here’s another thing that’s good. Kinda interesting. We’ve got two tags the same time. Of course I want her to kill one first, obviously. But I’m gonna be, you
Would mentor your tag and have her killed two,
Whatever. I can’t but yeah. Horse
Meat for everyone.
Yeah. But, but I have my rangefinder built. How, how am I gonna do that?
Well, you’ve got two range
Rangefinders.
You’ve got two rangefinders.
Yeah. And I’m gonna have to have one for one, one from the other. Boom. There’s your MOA hold, boom. Here’s mine for this gun. It’s gonna be a little interesting.
You’re gonna put it on her belt. You know it’s gonna,
It’s gonna be a little interesting for a minute. It’ll
Be awesome because honestly, I don’t think you’re gonna lay down, get a twofer. I don’t, I think it’s all about her for a minute, don’t
You? It’s, but she, if I see her hit it good. But the good thing I’m you, I’m gonna make a memory. You
Got a turbo, turbo truck. ’cause you’re gonna, there’s a starting line and there’s a little whistle. I don’t care about it. Everybody go come. Yeah. Open the gate.
Release the hounds,
Get em noise. Be, be kind of wild.
Anyway, I’m looking so that’s, yeah, I’m a pack.
A bird is called a pack. What? Come on. AI doesn’t know. Yeah.
Little bird. That’s chat. AI has gb. LGBT. What is that? Chat.
Chat. GPT. Oh, sorry. I just googled it. It AIed it
For me. Help
T You you guys, you’re gonna get us kicked off the air. A
Pack. These aren’t, these aren’t canids. It’s go down to Wikipedia. I trust that. More stallion. Let’s look at this gems book down there. East African ORs, da da da. A gaggle. A gaggle of orex. I’m
Just teasing. I was gonna say, I get, I’m gonna call it a gaggle. You guys call it a pack and a herd
And a prickle, whatever you wanna call it. Okay.
Okay. Anyway. Good stuff. Alright guys, I’m over it. We’re good. We talked how, how long? Oh, this is perfect. One hour and one minute. Good grief. We should never be longer. An hour. The
The last minute was a waste. Anyway. X it all off. Speaking of X, that’s the second time we mentioned it today.
Alright, well anyway, go. Go promote true social. Trump’s a fan of ours. You can come listen to our own old music. Listen to Trump. He’s got a lot of good things to say and, and then you know, go follow a true social alert. Do whatever you do on there. Okay. Are we good? Sounds good. Let’s call it.
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