In this episode the entire crew takes us through their individual optics setups, what pieces of gear they use and what situations they change their gear for. We also talk about some of the application strategies you may not be considering.
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Hey everybody. Jason Carter, Adam Bronson, the entire epic outdoors crew. I mean, pretty much the entire, are we missing anyone? No, we’re all here. Maybe. Geez, we got Logan. One of the most important.
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Not of the male center,
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Right? That’s right. Crucial, critical, critical piece. Alright, anyway, how you doing everybody? We’re we’re doing all right. Here in the Epic Outdoors office. Wyatt. Wyatt, you’re finally gracing the table here. Wt
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Wyatt ushered us into the end of that season. We actually went and picked out yesterday for lunch, and we got all the states officially done for the year and had a little, we
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Don’t go to the American diner ever again. I’m just fine with that. You
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Weren’t a fan.
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It never, never ends. Right?
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For
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Some of us. Ask Josh.
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I played victory. I played
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Victory. What you mean you did? Yeah.
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Oh yeah. I thought there was a smooth sailing. Really? Yeah.
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There was some concern. I thought you were down at halftime. I was down at halftime for a minute, but was always
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Comebacks. Yeah.
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Won the series. That was good.
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Stretch.
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57 games. A little bit of Pepto.
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Just anybody that goes there. You know, if you need a good clean out, try the Spanish omelet. Other than that,
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Well, when are we starting this podcast?
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Where’s going, Devin, how are you doing? Good. Heard Your evening was interesting.
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Always.
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Are you doing all right? Yeah. Good.
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Me personally? Yes.
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How’s your dog?
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He’s not doing so hot. Oh
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Man.
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A little late to work today.
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Well, I mean, you’re out working out trying to get your heart rate up and sure enough you put it right through the roof. Yeah.
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I got my heart rate up. You could say that.
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Blood pressure and anyway, people need to keep their dogs on leashes. Right.
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It would be nice. And your dog is alive, right? He’s alive. Okay.
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There could be
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Assumptions man. And and the other dog’s owner and dog are also alive. They’re alive. So there was nothing but wins last night. Yeah.
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Lot of, yeah.
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Nothing but wins.
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No, not wins. Just a unfortunate event. Kind of really pissed me off.
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I didn’t mean to bring it it up. Let’s, which
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Is 60 seconds alone. Hot mic.
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It’s fine. I just, yeah, I mean, when your dog bites somebody’s dog and you’re on a bike and not on a leash and then you act like, yeah, it’s no big deal.
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That’s a kind of,
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I I’m gonna say something.
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You, you’re blood stains down your arm. Oh
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Yeah. I covered in blood running home like fors, Gump, carrying Bubba. That’s what it felt like. Neighbors are like, guys, are you okay? You know
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I am not. Okay.
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No. You see that guy? Yeah.
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Me and that guy are not friends. Yeah, we’re not friends. But no. Well, it’ll be good. It’ll be all right. You got, you know, moose is gonna end up, he’s gonna be better for it. He’ll be a cool scar. I can tell
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You that.
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And you guys have cool scars.
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I got one.
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Where? Where’d you get it from, don’t
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You? When I was about a day old. Really? My first of my life. I got a scar. Still have it.
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Well, you get branded for what?
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No, I got one under here. They cut me open, clear
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Around. Oh, did they? What’s the scoop? You? I
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Didn’t, I was in a coma for like a week or so. Geez.
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What I was, I,
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I had a traumatic event when I was born.
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Well, we all did will say, you realize
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I’ll say my mother did not hook up all the plumbing.
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Oh.
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My throat was actually separated and they had to go in and surgically stretch it and sew it back together. Wow.
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Down to your stomach. Down to your stomach.
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It was like right at top of my chest, my esophagus.
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Dang
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Geez. The esophageal fistula. That’s it’s called.
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That sounds official.
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Fun. Fun fact. Fun fact about myself. I believe it. How
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About now? Are you good?
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I’m good. Well, I don’t know they, if it causes mental issues, I’m probably not quite. Okay.
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I am not. Okay.
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No, but they say that one out of every thousand babies that go through that surgery come out with some kind of problem. And I came out with zero problems.
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One out of every thousand that go
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Through
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Surgery don’t
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Come out or Yeah. One out, one out of every thousand don’t come out with any problems. And I was the one.
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Wow. So how cool is that? That’s awesome.
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Depending on the problem. I do have other problems. I was gonna say
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We could list, but define
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What problems. Do be more specific.
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You have No, it’s like eating problems. Swallow,
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Swallowing.
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Swallowing. Like some kind of problem.
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That choking. Okay.
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You do have that kind to screw stuff up like you could eat. No, I’m good. All out. You could eat nerds in a Mountain Dew. It’d be just fine. Just fine. See right there. Diet Mountain Dew. Devin,
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That’s disgusting. That
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Is, it
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Is. Diet Mountain Dew. It’s not great. I can drink a lot of diet stuff, but that’s disgusting.
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It’s not great.
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Alright, so here we are. It’s June, it’s now, we’re now on four day work weeks. How’s that feel? Hallelujah. It’s gonna feel really good. This
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Is where you play the hallelujah chorus shout or whatever for a minute, right? Yeah, right now,
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Four day work weeks heading up scouting season. It’s gonna be awesome. Everybody’s headed out, right?
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Logan, are you plant free yet?
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No. June 11th probably. Maybe. Oh,
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Geez. You gonna go fishing?
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No, I’m gonna go hang. Show cameras. Oh, that’s my life now. Is
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It? Yeah. Why’s that? Because
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My dad can draw a lot of tags and I can’t draw any And that makes me a free laborer.
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Yeah. Human trail cameras, live truck cameras, whatever. That’s what we do as suns. Well, good. Logan, do it. Well, I will. I think that’s great. Good stuff. So here we are tonight. Today, I guess what tonight? Idaho deadline. Everybody got their applications in for Idaho. Wyatt, how did you get yours in?
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I applied earlier in the year for sheep.
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Oh, so does that mean you didn’t apply for anything today? That means everyone shut me down for unlimited antelope.
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What
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It means we have, I have not,
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No ones shut
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You down. That deadline just left in the, just
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Left. When you apply for rifle hunts and you know the hoops you gotta jump through to get that somehow fixed with. Yeah, I do.
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Yeah, I do. I know. Depart with wildlife.
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It’s, anyway, it’s not worth it. So why’s flying
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Solo? Why you and I are in? I’ll
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Do it. Let’s do it. I I, I’ll throw in right now. Archibald,
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What are we talking about?
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He’s already in for
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Rifle. He can’t, he’s not gonna go through the steps to him. Man. You
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Applied rifle antelope. I did.
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I told you that today earlier.
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No cash told me that. No,
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I looked you in the United said I applied. I told you
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That is a violation of friendship right there.
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You were there. I told you the unit. It’s true. You
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Must told him
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The unit know. No, you were looking right at me.
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I know the unit.
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I would be offended too. Wat
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I kind. You’re
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On your own wife.
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Nobody does anything without Wyatt’s approval. You
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Guys have known each other for how long?
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10 years. He’s messing with us. That’s down the drain. I looked him right in the eye and I told him.
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Alright. So
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Anyway. Well that’s the last state.
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Yeah, it’s good.
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We had a bunch of results coming out. Wat That’s great. Yeah. What’s, what’s next? Maybe California results. Yeah.
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Maybe California. Idaho turned their last draw around pretty quick. So who’s to see what they can do with this?
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Oregon’s out by the 15th. Oregon.
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Wyoming. Wyoming. 19th
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Ish. 19th for deer and
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All the
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Exciting states. What else? Washington?
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Yeah. Sometime
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Iowa. What else are we missing?
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Yeah, they did. That’s about covered the main ones. Arizona.
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Arizona. Arizona. Yeah. They turned theirs way around in two weeks on the elk and antelope. It was fast.
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Yeah, I’m ready for it. Yeah,
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We’ll
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See what they, I was ready yesterday.
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Change the to update credit cards or shut that period off and we’ll know they’re coming. Oh, you
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Didn’t? I just got my email, so Yeah,
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They’re not that fast
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Dear Adam.
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All right. So what do we got today? What are we doing today? John? Adam, what are we doing? Let’s, I think we
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Got some, some questions, right? We do have a few of those left over. We saved these and we apologize. This last two, three weeks has been, yeah, there’s been a lot coming. A lot of moving parts. A lot of check and a lot of applying and yeah, we’re, we’re finally here. We’re gonna get more consistent doing that throughout the summer. Little fun, little frolicking.
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Little
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Little less serious. Monotone ish. So let’s have it today. Let’s bring it. Let’s have it. Alright. This is Thursday. Which might as well be Friday. More open doors. Open
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Windows in the office.
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Yeah. I wore shorts this last week. I didn’t today. It was kind of cold and stormy this morning, but hey,
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Been a little stormy. Alright. Crazy weather. Been incredible actually, Paul, you guys are gonna wash away up there. John, you were up there fishing.
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Yeah, fishing is a down downpour, but yeah, we
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Crazy, right? Yeah. Crazy
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Downpour. Like so, so much so like all the banks were going into the river and the river was brown.
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Peterson households.
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Yeah. But
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Taking refuge under trees. Yeah.
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Caught a couple toads. Lightning storm. Just a couple lightning up there.
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Probably big fish. Yeah.
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Lightning
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19 inch. Or we
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Stood, stood next to the river and put the rods in the air.
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You know,
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Come on, John.
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Did you?
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I mean, you, you better be living right? If you’re gonna do that. Go out that way. That could happen. Yeah.
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I was like, there’s a tree kind of close. You know,
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I was holding a surveyor rod from my dad once and had sparks popping on top of that. Kidding? And I dropped it and started running like, what’s going on?
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I heard of that guy’s happen to the guys with their tips of their barrels like
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Ark and they walked down there. Wow. He’s a surveyor. Walked down there and the guys with Oh, oh, bull crap. Popped it up. You could visually see sparks coming off the top of the road. It’s only like eight feet tall. It’s like, yep, we’re done today. Yeah.
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Wow.
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I mean, it was just coming in down on it’s, it doesn’t matter where it was, it was spooky.
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It’s wild.
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But
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All right. It’s, it’s gonna be good. I think there’s some parts that are getting some really timely moisture heavy that’s, I mean, yeah, it’s, it could be. What
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Do you think Wyatt
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Pearling comes to mind?
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Pearling. That’s the conversation we had yesterday.
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Lunch. A as a BNE Crockett score. Here’s the question for Wyatt. Wyatt, could you describe
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Pearling?
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The antler phenomenon known as purling.
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It would be
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Oozing with calcium. It doesn’t score.
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Yeah, they say really, really healthy deer kind of shows the health of the deer on the lower part of their antler. It’s just the like nobb
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Really? Do they truly attribute that to health? That’s
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What I read once. Really? Like it hurts your hands when you hold. Yeah. Oh on a good, it’s good. Healthy year. It seems like it’s more prevalent. Just ’cause
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It’s so oozing with Pearl. Pearl.
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Pure slick shank means they’re not doing as good.
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Yeah. Probably not healthy. Why’d you look at me
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Slick and shank. You and I went through a little string boss. We we’re brothers in that department.
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A buck last year.
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Some pearling.
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Yeah, you did. It hurt your hand.
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It hurts to grab
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That thing, but
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No slick shank.
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Alright. Okay. Well, okay, well anything else that comes to mind wt
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Just we tease whyt. Dripping.
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Dripping and pearling candle wax beams.
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It all could be possible.
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Whyt, let’s just say so vague on his opinion, but we’re all optimistic over
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The last
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75 days of water. Maybe actually more. More like 90 now. Huh? Since the 1st of March.
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Hey Wyatt’s. Working on projects that have nothing to do with deer, which is disappointing to me.
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Really? What?
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Oh, the antelope thing
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You mean? No, just anything. Oh,
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Probably elk. You never know.
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A hundred percent focus should be on deer. I think he’s more focused than he indicates.
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You gotta get some tags in my pocket first.
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You’ve got some, you got
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More than me. What? We’ll find
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Out. Huh?
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Jeez.
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The word
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Cryptic doesn’t even start to
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Describe.
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I was gonna say, are we gonna
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Ever know? I don’t think so. I don’t think so. What are
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The, what are the top 10 synonyms for the word cryptic? ’cause all of those together is, might start to describe what, we don’t have to be cryptic. I don’t have a mule tag in my pocket. What do you mean you do too? I do Idaho general.
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I know it. I
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Forgot.
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But what, what I think’s funny is every time we’re like, well Wyatt doesn’t have anything going on. He doesn’t have anything. He doesn’t say a word, which means he has things going on. We just don’t know what they are. Things. Friends. Okay, all here we go. Let’s
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Go through the first question. Question wants to know everybody’s optic setup. Oh. And then if you have thoughts individually on twin spotters versus the BTX, maybe they’re weighing that option out for themselves. But what’s your, what’s your, let’s just go through
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Optical repertoire.
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Vinyl and spotter setup. And then thoughts on twin spotters versus BTX. Got my thoughts. I’ll go last. That’s what question reader guy gets to do.
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Christian reader guy start left or right, which left
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Me well. Your left optics.
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Yeah.
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I run a pair of fourteens. 15.
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I run. I love that word. Remember we talk about that run. I run, I run.
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It triggers. Josh, why do you I
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I a 3,500
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Backpack and
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I, I personally own,
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I use in the field use,
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I use in the field. Fourteens, fifteens. I like range finding binoculars. So we owe range 10 by 30, twos 95. Spotter the big one. But talk about a smaller window mount spotter. But I really need a small backpack. That’s my next one is
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A small, we can help you with that
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Down. I understand. Yes. I,
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We know people that sell this. I,
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I, I.
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So what do you
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We, I’ve
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Had some undue hardship lately.
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Devin, we’d make you a deal. A payment program
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We just started for in-house. I don’t remember. Employees only at layaway program. I don’t,
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I don’t
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Do this. It’s like
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Kmart all cash. You’re up.
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Yeah, I wanna, regarding the fourteens and 50, you can’t just spew every optic you’ve ever owned in your life. Like when you, what do you take now for the 14 peers of the fifteens? I know I take the 14, the fifteens. We’ve all looked, used them so much. Even why that we thought I can never part with these things, but,
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But you like the fourteens?
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I like the fourteens. I think you’d be good. I you could go and do a 12, you know, range and then you have best of both. You could do tripod, just handhold and then you have one item. Yeah. Instead of two. That would be a good option as well. Instead
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Of three actually.
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Okay. I think we should talk about the range finding subject that we talked about the other day. About the EL range. John, you did extensive research on this. The EL range or let’s just say a UA range. Find it becomes, spits out a certain figure. 7 93 arts. It is. And a different range finder would come up with 785 yard 99 or something or whatever, right? Yeah. Well this, this,
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And, and this came about because we had
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A, it was archery, right? Yeah. We had a guy who bought a rangefinder and
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It was him and his wife.
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It was wife were both archery, arche and Yeah, they never really paid attention to which, which rangefinder they were using. One would
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Spot for the other one. Yeah.
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43 yards hand handheld
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Or binocular.
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Handheld. Yeah. Whereas the ones that, that they said, he sent it back said I had a problem because thought it
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Was off. I thought it was a range finding vinyl. A 10 pound. Yeah, you’re
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Right. You’re right in this sw. You’re right. It was.
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And so you were working, you were in the office. We were out
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Scouting. So yeah, it just happened to be, I was the only one. And so I was like, okay, I gotta figure this out. So he sent it back and
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Set it’s off. You sent him another
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Pair? Yeah, sent him another pair. Did a whole bunch of research called all the manufacturers, talked to everybody and did extensive, extensive testing here. And in the parking lot we got a very large parking lot. So I got out the tape measure and taped off, you know, a hundred yards. Well
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He’s lucky he got you, John. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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We have a paint sprayer. You could have painted some light.
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I should have. Yeah. So, so it was exact right, but you but
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You weren’t here. Devon, the paint when it comes to painting, that’s gotta be your job.
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It would not have been straight enough
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Anyway. Sorry.
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So everybody, Devin, what’d you do in your former years
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Before your No, John, just keep going.
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It’s fine. Devin, painted lines for a living.
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No, not lines,
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Walls, whatever, everything. Whatever
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Per parking lot. Whatever,
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Whatever for the Nebo school, school district, right? Graffiti was graffiti probably. They’re
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Still paying. He was so good at graffiti. They had to hire him.
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I scraped graffiti, little buggers. It was the worst job ever. Anyways, go ahead.
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So we did test, we meaning myself, so lots of of testing. I got out every range finder we had every range finding bin we had and tested it every distance. It turns out they’re all different. So depending on slightly, slightly. Yeah. Not, not drastically, but but slightly different. And so what the guy was, was saying wasn’t right, was his wife’s range finder was saying, and it was, it was very close, three to
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Four yards. But, but I think
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The biggest difference was he’s
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Shooting a 70 pound bow. Yeah. His wife’s shooting a 45 and at four yards, that can be pretty big. Differe
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At a 40 to 45. Yes.
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On, on those because of the poundage bow mostly, especially
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If you’re using a dial site and, and it just needs to be perfect.
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And her, her rangefinder was reading different than his rangefinder. That’s what I mean. But slightly.
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So at the end of the
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Day, so at the end of the day it, it turns out a lot of it has to do with the rounding as well. You know, they, they’ll shoot in some of ’em in in meters or whatnot and then it converts to yards. Okay. And so there’s actually, and I can’t remember what the exact yardage is, but it’s impossible to get like 47 yards or something because of the rounding. You either will get 46 or 48 and, and that’s not the exact yardage, but there’s a, a figure you can’t get because just because there,
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Because it was built in meters. Yes. And it uses a mathematical equation to come to yards.
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Right. And so with the rounding, it’ll always miss that. Whatever it is, it’s like 34
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Or four. So now 47 fast forward to a hundred yards. 200 yards. Now you’ve got a difference.
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3, 4, 7, 8.
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Yeah. So it turns out that the most important thing is to use the exact same rangefinder with whatever weapon you have. Cite
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Your bow in with the rangefinder you use.
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Yes. And use that. Don’t, you’re with your buddy. Don’t use his rangefinder because it’s different than what you cited your bow in with.
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And bo is probably the most drastic difference. And especially you’re talking not two guys shooting two 70 pound bows side by side. You’re talking about husband, wife, arcing of the arrow. 45 pound or 70 pounder.
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Huge difference.
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And four pound, four or five yard four yards or whatever the range he’s talking about was, was pretty
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Significant. Monumental. And I think too, as we were talking to Kobe and he made that, he kind of had a guy that was, had that shooting range, was fast forward the story, but basically had a shooting range, knew exactly what they were brought in that a new range finder from SW or whatever. And he hid it and he goes, it’s
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Off. Doesn’t match stuff
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Off. It was off 70 yards. 70 yards, 700 yards. It was, and he’s well yards look in your mic. Is there little dot? Yes. That means it’s in meters. Yeah. So he, he had set it up in meters.
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He said his
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Didn’t even know he keeps using the same range finder. What’s the difference? It matched his gun. He was fine.
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Which is is fine for him and that gun until he tried tell his buddy came over and shot the same steel and dialed to what he said, laid
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Down a hundred dollars bill and they’re gonna have a shoot off. He
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Won
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Every time. He won every time hit
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Hit about a foot low again. Sorry,
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Hit the dirt. I don’t know what’s wrong with your janky saddle.
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You must not He weighing your powder right
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Guy. He probably went through some rifle scouts.
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Oh, and some
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Rounds. Yeah. And frustration.
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He burned through some H 1000 arch,
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Like
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It was you Pollock that was talking the other day about where the range finder actually hits in the binoculars
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Too. Yeah. Some I’d seen the thing where a guy was saying that there’s kind of a sweet spot at times on, on your range finder. You know, there’s obviously usually a square or a circle of some kind and, and that laser beam could be stronger at one point. Orano another of those. And so it was just saying, you know, try and hit that. I don’t know how much that plays
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Into it. Make a huge difference on antelope. Like if you are looking at a flat and you’ve got just a, a slight variation in your optic Yeah. That could be 50 yards further.
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Yeah. So you’ll want to kind of just test your rangefinder a little bit. Try and hit, you know, get a good reflective surface on something. I’d say that, you know, is kind of a hundred yard distance, something to that effect maybe whatever. And test out your rangefinder or like on a pole. A lot of, a lot of guys I’ve seen use like a telephone pole or something. If you’re in a scan mode and scan where it’s far, far, far and then all of a sudden you come into a pole or something and you know, that’s where it starts to pick up. And you can kind of see on your range finder where the, the best, most reliable part of your laser would be. Be, you know, I don’t know when you’re in the hunting situation, if you’re gonna remember that or whatever. But it, it could play, play a difference. Especially at longer yardages or or closer yardages with archery. Yeah.
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Pretty interesting. That all came from you Devin. Thank you for that. Me? Yeah.
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It all came
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From what, from your repertoire of optics.
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I was wondering about that when you say about if your range funder’s hit in the center. ’cause I had a handheld and I mean, we’re talking elk at like four 50 and I’m telling you, I could not hit it. Yeah, I would You had to miss it. 900, 300 like, and it’s flat as a pancake.
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That’s what we was doing.
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Used, I used a a tree line and onyx and we killed the bull. I could not get a
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And then you drew a line on the onyx tools. Yep, exactly. And said, well from here to the tree line, just aim here.
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Yeah. Dialed sand it. But yeah, that was, I don’t know about, I wonder if that’s what I
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Maybe could have. That
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Could have, because I’m, you know, you had
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To miss the elk. To hit the elk. That’s what
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Possibly Yes, there is.
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Because no matter what I did, I couldn’t get anywhere near. And I’m looking at it, I’m like, I know it’s not 300. I know it’s not seven, nine, you know, it’s all over the place. But I, I wonder that Yep. If that could have been the, the issue there, but
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All right. What
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About other setups? We gotta
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Go around the room. Yeah, whoever
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I’ve got, I’m running the NLP twelves 99 KOA and a 55 koa.
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I like it.
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So it’s pretty simple. Eerily simple handheld rain funder.
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I’m running continue. I can’t sell anything. I can’t sell anything. So you, I mean, I could tell you what I’m running you guys, you mean you
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Can’t sell anything.
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95 and 85 Haria. I
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Got a HAR 65. The Attc s tc
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Hey you guys, it’s, you talk about the shiny lure. I hit the thing at these sides.
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I think we should also add, all my spotting scopes are angled. What about you? Cash?
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I, I have my 99 is angled and my little one is straight.
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Hey, there you go. 50 50. Yeah.
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Jason, that’s messed up. You’re
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Halfway to the right side. Keep looking through the straight and you’ll become converted. Yeah, because it’s next level. I don’t know the, the, the difference is monumental.
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I don’t know.
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I have a straight guy. All right.
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We’ve got the new quick release.
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So
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My contention is you’re looking through your s you’re gonna slip ’em out. It’s true. And you put an angle on there, it’s, you’ve got ’em. That’s all
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Your position. All it’s all you guys.
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Your tripod
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All Let’s just talk about time versus target acquisition. Let alone target
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Acquisition. All you donate me, you’re straight for just buy, right?
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For five
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Days of scouting and
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Just right to begin with anyway. Did you finish your, is there anything you would do different or anything you’re aspiring to get?
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I would,
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I feel like you got a great setup.
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I would get a pair of range finding vinyls to add in there. That’s about the only thing that I’m like, I could use that like rifle hunts? Yes. Yeah, I would. I want a pair of those handhelds. I do like for archery still. Yeah, because it’s not two eyes. You can go one eye archery. I feel like a handhelds better for me.
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Okay.
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Smaller, lighter. Yep. But a, a range finding vinyl would be what I
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Would add. Yeah. I, I’m a, I like the SRO stuff that’s treated me so good over the years. And we know that. Right. So I mean the, the twelves, I love the twelves. Fourteens, spotters. I like the interchangeability. But I mean, I have one of everything. You know the shine lure? I mean it’s deep in my guts right now.
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Guilty of that. Somehow, somehow I’m still alive though. You can live with the super duper in your belly
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Cheese hook in your belly. Yeah.
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Super duper been there for about 20 years. Cheese hook and your cheese.
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And usually when Adam hits the shiny lure, he hits the front and back hook. ’cause he’ll get two.
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Oh yeah, no question. He gets a pair. He’ll, that’s a good point.
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Get both hooks. Hey, he’s got, he’s got
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Handy
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Last year. Didn’t that come in handy? What about about two weeks before Adam sheep pun he did smart.
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But he was talking about you Ty Ty wants all the gear. Dad has. Well that’s part of it. My kids want all the gear dad hats. So that’s another reason I don’t sell.
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Well it’s also it is true. I don’t either. I have my ELs I have my old 10 power SLC tents and my 10 probably ought. Those probably. No, they’re just kicking around.
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I know. I get it.
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What you gonna get for ’em? Food. I, I’ve got food storage. I don’t
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Need it. Gas.
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Okay. How much gas spare do you get? A pair spare for a pair of 10 SLCs. And is it worth getting rid of them? Devin? Natural Gas or Devin Premium?
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Do you run, do you run 90 91? Answer the
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Answer’s no. There’s, are you going to Maverick or love’s ethanol free? The answer’s no. They’re, they’re worth keeping.
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So that’s the thing. I’ve, I’ve, the harp is super clear. It’s angled. That’s my biggest contention. I thought I could swap over,
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Not over, but if somebody wanted take it off your hands, you call me. Okay. Call
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The only, the thing is they’re the most clear of, you know, that KOA and swa the top three. But anyway, just one of those things. I don’t know between that and then s swirl, I mean, I, I like a 65, I like a 85. Sometimes it’s not big, but it’s big. You know what I mean? I get
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You have all
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The 95 lets you go to 75. You gotta have that sometimes. And then the one 15, why don’t you guy needs one. Right?
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Hey, you guys just thought of something. You can’t tease me about hitting every lure
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I’ve hit, every lure
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Sol throws, he has 65, 85, 95, 1 1 15, 99, 55 pfs
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Of, of the color,
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Of the color. At a and a 95 Zeis.
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95 and a 50. A 99. A 55. Did you go
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Through the nls? Yeah. Eights, tens, twelves and fourteens.
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Okay. I do have, and the eights are no jokes. I mean, I mean I’ve hit every little one. I in new in the box. I have 10 by 50 twos. Okay. Have you ever heard of them? Most people have
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’em. I have. But I, I questioned when they made ’em like, are these really gonna catch on?
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Remember how the 10 by fifties were next level? It felt like you could look at 3D through there. It did. It felt 3D that came to mind. I said
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It out loud. That was
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In 1995,
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Jason. It was no joke. And it stuck with me. There’s something about that big objective and, and a smaller power. Call it 10 power 10 by 52, they’re gonna be no joke. Did I have I even opened the box. Janice says, you know what’s in this box? I’m like, yeah, I do.
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Hey, didn’t you have another
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Steel? It is still originally closed.
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Don’t you have some eel ranges too? Somewhere.
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10 10 by, those
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Are all eel somewhere. I don’t know where they are. I cannot figure
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It out. The 10 by 30 twos. No,
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I know where they’re those ones. Those ones I are in somebody else’s.
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We could do a service to you and not have Jenna edit this podcast. Hey, I do. These are half of them are hers. I wanna ask you.
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It’s the truth. Ask the judge. It’s truth. Half of them hers,
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Half of them are hers.
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And she, she likes them.
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She didn’t wanna get rid of her
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App
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Either. No, no, she doesn’t.
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And so anyway, I, and that’s the same thing with Riflescope. Same thing. I mean, I hit those lures like crazy. So, but nevertheless, in my backpack, twelve’s pretty common. Gonna have a a a 14 or 15, everyone should have a BTX is always hooked to the one 15. I I pack it. I don’t care. I don’t pack it everywhere. I don’t pack it often. But when I have it, I you need it. And so I have it. And so that’s great. And then a, a straight spotter. And I think the, the KOA and SUA is my choice. You know, no joke on these S and Ros, they are no joke. I do feel like the twin scopes, I feel like we are going, we need them. I’ve got halfway there. I’ve got one. Yeah. I need, I need to get ’em calibrated. It’s not, and the only kind of something I need Josh to help with. Like, you
00:28:22:00 –> 00:28:22:06
Gotta get it.
00:28:22:15 –> 00:28:22:22
You
00:28:22:22 –> 00:28:23:09
Gotta get it right. Free
00:28:23:09 –> 00:28:24:13
Your ice. You gotta get it right. Yeah.
00:28:24:20 –> 00:28:46:16
And the only thing I don’t like about it as much is you can’t, once you get ’em to that point, you can’t lend them to buddies. Anybody else in your hunting party? I’ll, I’ll be out sheet putting a lot. I don’t need my BTX, just like you said, every everywhere you go, you don’t need that. Sometimes I’ll lend it out to one of my guys or somebody take my BTX over here. You can’t do that. If a guy’s eyes are spaced fairly dramatically different than our,
00:28:46:16 –> 00:28:47:11
Even even a little,
00:28:47:19 –> 00:28:52:05
Even a little, I don’t think any of us could use none of us. None of us. We don’t.
00:28:52:26 –> 00:29:02:28
We’ve tried it, we’ve tried setting ’em narrow and I can’t see ’em. We try to set ’em for me or whoever else a little bit wider. Jason and others can’t see ’em. So it’s, that’s the one down sign.
00:29:02:28 –> 00:29:06:21
We just, I’m ready to do it though. I, the ones that we have looked through, they’re awesome. They’re,
00:29:06:24 –> 00:29:07:09
They’re,
00:29:07:09 –> 00:29:08:25
They’re awesome. They’re, you just, you just have to,
00:29:08:25 –> 00:29:09:21
Yeah, you have to set. What
00:29:09:21 –> 00:29:12:18
I hate about the BTX is they are angled. Yeah.
00:29:12:24 –> 00:29:13:29
I hate it. I don’t like it either.
00:29:14:13 –> 00:29:23:22
I mean, have you ever looked through angled binoculars? They’re binoculars, right? They are. They’re kind of like, they’re a binocular. I don’t know anybody else that makes an angled binocular. I just struggle with
00:29:23:22 –> 00:29:32:05
That. Just, I mean, people whose brains are screwed up, you know? What do you mean? Well, Johnny easy. I’m just saying like the angle that just doesn’t make sense. You’re on the fight today.
00:29:33:24 –> 00:29:35:09
We’re also the oldest guys in the room.
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I know. And, and it’s, and
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Before angle
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Was even built against five. Well
00:29:39:28 –> 00:29:41:25
No, these guys do you guys all run angles?
00:29:41:25 –> 00:29:52:05
Yeah. What do mean? They all do. It’s all of them. It’s a hundred percent. Its all yes. A hundred percent. It’s us three. It’s the run straight humble, old Duffers. They didn’t make ’em when we were kids. Really think about it, Jason.
00:29:52:12 –> 00:29:55:22
It’s all depends. The first angle, what kind of spinal issue you want. Do you run? Angles are straight angles.
00:29:55:22 –> 00:29:55:29
So
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You’re gonna
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Trapping me
00:29:58:01 –> 00:30:06:23
Exclusively. When we started using them, angles were weird. If you, if you even made ’em. And so we all started on straight and then try to change that.
00:30:07:00 –> 00:30:08:16
You can’t, you
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Can’t. It takes some practice.
00:30:10:22 –> 00:30:12:22
Why would you practice doing that? I mean,
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You’d have to be like me. I was forced into it when I bought my, my new scope. That was it.
00:30:19:02 –> 00:30:21:06
Do you, do you wanna harp ya or a BTX? I got one.
00:30:22:12 –> 00:30:23:17
Maybe let’s make a deal.
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I’ll make you a deal.
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Just gimme a week or two. I just a
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Little, he’s gotta get back on his feet. He’s got dog surgery to pay for. He had a Crip
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Tells me about does good or I’m, I don’t know. But I wanted to ask you, I think you’ve told me before, but do you still have your vid? 77?
00:30:43:23 –> 00:30:45:07
What? I don’t have the vid. 77.
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What’d you do with that?
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I don’t know.
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That would be probably work. Double, triple. It’s a relic. I’ve
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Got the old bosan home sitting there.
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That’s, that’s
00:30:53:10 –> 00:30:54:07
Cool. That’s
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A part of the sun thing that you were talking about. Yeah.
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Yeah. I was just wondering Slave,
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I couldn’t labor days.
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Did you sell the vin or do you
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Know? I don’t remember. I’m just trying to think where is that?
00:31:04:29 –> 00:31:06:25
It’s probably with your ELs ranges.
00:31:08:21 –> 00:31:10:18
I love that.
00:31:10:27 –> 00:31:14:18
I still have mine. I’ll never sell it. It’s just that the first nice piece of
00:31:14:18 –> 00:31:26:17
Optic I ever had. I would like it was, and it was me too. I, I was so proud of it. I somehow figured out how to purchase it. Had that, I wonder if we put ’em side by side. Devin, if we, if it were, if it’s really as good as we remember, if it was just good for
00:31:26:17 –> 00:31:43:21
The time. Oh, I, I looked through mine. It’s sometimes on a window mount, like a permanent, just under the seat. It’s not the same. Scopes have came a long way since the tele. That’s last one. It’s the eyepiece is much smaller. So you’re used to those big eye pieces and Yeah. You looking that to look straw look and you’re like, man, it’s tight.
00:31:44:00 –> 00:31:45:27
But, but when we were young I could see everything
00:31:45:27 –> 00:31:47:25
With it. Oh man, it unbelievable. Yeah. Curling,
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Dripping, dripping calcium.
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It is amazing on the bigger, you know, eye objectives. It just like, we look through those new ice 12 by fifties and like you said Devin, big screen. It looks like you’re looking at a big screen. Yeah.
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Just,
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Yeah.
00:32:05:20 –> 00:32:17:04
It’s the same thing with rifle scopes. It’s just the eye relief when we’re setting up these rifles the other day. You noticed the eye relief on that Z five I Yeah, it’s man, it just, the whole window’s right
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There. Yeah. I mean sometimes there’s some sentimental, I wanna shoot something with my grandpa’s rifle. And
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Do you, do you be careful what you want? You don’t. No you don’t. It’s it grandpa’s rifle. Stay on the wall.
00:32:27:15 –> 00:32:28:15
Ancient, ancient technology.
00:32:29:02 –> 00:32:40:05
Yeah, it should be revered and reverenced and all the things, but don’t use it. Yeah, you’re gonna miss, you’re gonna miss all. Are we done? Let’s move along with, with John. No, I mean done with me. I’m, I’m out.
00:32:40:06 –> 00:32:42:01
Oh yeah. What is different? Logan? Logan. What is
00:32:42:01 –> 00:32:43:03
Different? Logan? If you have something different,
00:32:43:03 –> 00:32:44:13
Something different. Let’s talk
00:32:44:13 –> 00:32:44:17
About
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Difference. I’m probably the black sheep. I use the Zes HDX 10 by 42. Oh, I like that. I use the HD 1550 sixes and then agave. 85. Angled,
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Angled.
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I love it.
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Alright, good work. Yeah.
00:33:02:03 –> 00:33:02:21
Sean, you’re
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About, I would say I’m about the same. I’ve got the twelves, the ro NLP twelves fourteens. And last year my son Carter couldn’t, I couldn’t get ’em out of his hands. The fourteens. Oh yeah. He just, well man. Yeah. Anyway, and then I did, I did switch this year to the promen, the COA 55 and N 90 nines. Yep. And I, I’m telling you, if you are in that 45 to 50 and your eyes are just changing, getting worse is what changing means. It makes a huge difference. The fine focus. It’s what I liked about your teles back in the day, that fine focus, fine focus it is to die for.
00:33:44:26 –> 00:33:57:22
So the 99 is a little fatter. I went to, I put it in my pack, you could tell. And I was like, I had to jan around with it. It just getting a little big. Yeah. With aca with a case on it. So it’s you’re adding about that much on it. Yeah, just, but
00:33:57:27 –> 00:34:01:06
Remember when we weighed it, it was actually an ounce lighter than the 95.
00:34:01:28 –> 00:34:02:21
Which is interesting.
00:34:02:24 –> 00:34:12:27
Yeah. Like the back to the fine focus like you mentioned on the tele. That’s I think maybe part of the key. I don’t know if it’s all of it, but it’s fill like maybe that’s the sharpness.
00:34:12:29 –> 00:34:20:22
Yeah, I just, I I went to Oh, that’s out of focus all the way this way. Oh, this is out of focus. Okay. Just put it in the middle and it’s not quite perfect, but I’ve
00:34:20:22 –> 00:34:32:06
Never broke a s swirl focus ring. You know what I mean’s? It’s, it’s, you can’t break it. The other Yeah, the other stuff not so protected. It’s out in the open
00:34:32:22 –> 00:34:33:27
External right there kind of. Yes.
00:34:33:27 –> 00:34:35:07
Just a little out in the open. Yeah.
00:34:35:08 –> 00:34:40:06
We, we’ll see if it can live to the riggers of back of a, you know, side by side truck
00:34:40:06 –> 00:34:45:03
Hauling pack, strapped to everything. Strapped to a four-wheeler rack with no padding. We’ll see
00:34:45:25 –> 00:34:48:21
Josh and why, what, what, what do we
00:34:49:17 –> 00:34:57:22
I like Josh. Josh, Josh used hit every, not even shiny lures. Just lures. No bare hook. He loves the gear. Yeah.
00:34:57:27 –> 00:35:06:07
I mean, my favorite thing, especially during hunting season’s, a good pair of thermal bin noses. God dare you compete with me. Any
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Of you. I love it.
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No,
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If there’s a state that allows it.
00:35:14:16 –> 00:35:16:05
I, I mean if
00:35:16:05 –> 00:35:19:07
Everything guys, you got, you got a chest carry, thermal chest carry body
00:35:19:14 –> 00:35:21:09
On each one of each hip. Thermal scope,
00:35:21:09 –> 00:35:23:03
Thermal riflescope. Yeah,
00:35:24:08 –> 00:35:37:21
No, I, I, same what you guys have. I mean I recently, I guess you could call it these days non-binary. I don’t know. I went with a straight scope. I used to have just angled, but I did and what
00:35:37:21 –> 00:35:41:28
Have you, what have you thought of the switch, Josh? There’s a reason haven’t
00:35:41:28 –> 00:35:51:28
To, right? I haven’t, I haven’t used it much. The, the, the main thing is because the, the headroom in a Toyota 2003 Toyota Corolla is pretty limited off of a window mount.
00:35:52:13 –> 00:35:54:16
That’s the reason I thought. Yeah, that’s so,
00:35:55:03 –> 00:36:38:04
So anyway, if you just one of those little, I I got a new KOA 55 spotting scope and I love that thing that the glass is awesome and the fine focus is really nice, especially on one of those little ones because with that smaller objective, they’re the, the light gathering and some of that stuff isn’t as good. So being able to get it the right focus is sometimes tough. So having that fine focus on, it’s been nice but just mainly off of a window mount because that is such a small little scope. I’ll throw it in the truck even if I don’t need it or whatever. I’ve always got it, whatever. It’s just easier to have a little teeny squatter there with you and throw it on. It goes good on window mount. Other than that I would use angled. So, but love BTX and I, I wouldn’t ever, I’d want to a range finding binocular and can’t go away from it. So that’s pretty,
00:36:38:10 –> 00:36:39:27
Which range finding you buying now? You using
00:36:40:14 –> 00:36:57:12
The 10 by 32 E ranges? Yeah, I went with a, I ended up going with the 32. Just, yeah, they’re just small and lightweight. I don’t spend a lot of time sitting glassing with them. I’m, they’re with me every day on my chest harness, but I don’t sit behind them in glass for a long period of time. But when I do generally I’m just getting a range of some kind or something. So.
00:36:57:12 –> 00:37:05:01
So you’d pull out a 14 or something glass with it. Yep. But then for your everyday carry, just truly not on a tripod. Yep. Would be the 10 by 30 twos.
00:37:05:01 –> 00:37:15:07
Yeah. Yeah. They’re still a 10 power magnification. So they’re good. But they’re really small and lightweight in your hand and getting a range if you want hold ’em one handed and stuff. They’re a little easier to do than they’re like at 42, so
00:37:15:14 –> 00:37:15:23
Yeah.
00:37:16:06 –> 00:37:16:15
Yeah.
00:37:17:11 –> 00:37:17:25
Awesome.
00:37:18:00 –> 00:37:26:25
Wyatt been waiting to hear this all day. Mine’s pretty much the same as everybody else’s. I mean nothing. Come on. I got an angled scope. The UA just so 95. So
00:37:26:25 –> 00:37:29:09
Disappointing as much as you window mount.
00:37:29:19 –> 00:37:30:21
I’ve, I’ve got the, how
00:37:30:21 –> 00:37:38:15
Is this angled? How does it work out? How you guys, how does it work? I, I know that most scopes you can twist, right? You can loosen that set screw and kind of turn them.
00:37:39:25 –> 00:37:43:10
A lot of the times the scope isn’t necessarily on the window mount, it’s just the bin noses. And then
00:37:43:11 –> 00:37:44:18
Let’s say you wanted to put a scope
00:37:44:18 –> 00:37:53:11
On step out and see what you’re trying to do. That’s what you’re doing. Yeah. I do have the new STC though that I got for basically that purpose to try to Do you like it? I haven’t used it a ton. I mean
00:37:53:11 –> 00:37:54:06
Yeah, the little one.
00:37:54:06 –> 00:37:55:05
Yeah the, the little scope.
00:37:55:21 –> 00:37:56:09
17 to 40 power,
00:37:56:16 –> 00:38:05:21
Whatever. Yep. So that, and then the, I like a range finding para binoculars. I tried to go to the NL twelves is my sole carry binoculars and I just felt like I needed a range finder so.
00:38:05:28 –> 00:38:06:27
So which ones are you running
00:38:06:27 –> 00:38:08:16
On that? The 10 by 40 twos?
00:38:08:26 –> 00:38:10:21
Would you ever consider the 12 buy?
00:38:11:07 –> 00:38:21:11
I have considered E range. The 12 buys. I just worry about say like archery hunting scenarios and maybe being a little too much. Yeah. Just just to handle. And when you’re in super close
00:38:21:13 –> 00:38:23:11
Know they make an eight E range.
00:38:23:25 –> 00:38:25:19
Yeah. Don’t fall for
00:38:28:00 –> 00:38:29:22
Piece. I’m gonna need right
00:38:29:22 –> 00:38:33:07
There. Why? It’s one of those bass under log. It would take something.
00:38:33:20 –> 00:38:33:27
It,
00:38:34:00 –> 00:38:34:28
Oh he’s one of those
00:38:35:19 –> 00:38:45:05
Fish, those salmon that get flo I think it takes and right into the side of the cheek with That’s Wyatt. He gets caught by accident. You’re gonna catch him by the tail.
00:38:45:23 –> 00:38:46:06
When he did
00:38:46:28 –> 00:38:50:05
He, he is very calculated. Very calculated.
00:38:50:23 –> 00:38:51:09
Yeah. Makes
00:38:51:09 –> 00:38:55:07
Me, and as such, anything that he does makes me think I should be doing it. That’s
00:38:55:07 –> 00:38:55:10
Why
00:38:55:10 –> 00:38:57:17
We try to get unlimited archery antelope tag.
00:38:57:20 –> 00:38:59:10
That’s why I did exactly what he said
00:39:00:15 –> 00:39:02:24
And did not apply for unlimited archery antelope.
00:39:03:04 –> 00:39:03:07
I
00:39:03:07 –> 00:39:04:19
Didn’t do that the other part I did
00:39:05:24 –> 00:39:06:03
What
00:39:06:21 –> 00:39:07:28
I’m not saying I did exactly
00:39:09:15 –> 00:39:11:28
What unit 54 out. Yeah.
00:39:12:20 –> 00:39:14:18
One of those unique ones that nobody knows about.
00:39:14:21 –> 00:39:21:16
Yeah. That no one knows about. It’s a totally secret unit under the table. You just, you do it. Wyatt said
00:39:21:19 –> 00:39:25:27
Always. What would Wyatt do? Ww wd does
00:39:25:27 –> 00:39:27:27
That have to do with cheap fees and expensive fees? Carter?
00:39:28:07 –> 00:39:28:16
Well,
00:39:28:23 –> 00:39:31:21
I mean, okay Wyatt, I don’t know why you have to be mean about it.
00:39:33:15 –> 00:39:39:04
What I wanna hear this Wyoming fight. These two didn’t wanna fight. Get in the same drop pool. Right? Is that what it was about?
00:39:39:05 –> 00:39:40:13
Well I was being respectful.
00:39:41:04 –> 00:39:45:01
You asked what, what he was doing and you said you’d do the other once that was
00:39:45:02 –> 00:39:48:04
Basically a piece of it. Slight piece. Maybe even an after
00:39:48:09 –> 00:39:49:04
Wasn’t even a factor.
00:39:49:09 –> 00:39:49:19
Maybe
00:39:49:19 –> 00:40:01:24
Even an afterthought. I just think if I’m gonna go to, you know what my schedule’s like not so great. Kind of kind of busy. And I’m just thinking if I’m gonna get a tag in Wyoming, I ought to have something that I can afford to throw on the ground.
00:40:02:08 –> 00:40:04:15
You know what I mean? So you’re gonna go general or regular versus
00:40:04:21 –> 00:40:16:03
Regular because I’m gonna be in the random and I couldn’t pull point, boost and have a clear conscience about it knowing what my schedule’s like. Yeah. So I couldn’t point boost with a friend and cause them to have not
00:40:16:21 –> 00:40:18:21
Maximize their time. And you not even show up. Yeah. Yeah.
00:40:18:23 –> 00:40:27:16
What if I don’t? Yeah, what if I don’t, you know? Yeah, exactly. And so then I’m like, okay, I’ll go. So yeah, Wyoming owes me some money. I have amended poll withdrawn 14
00:40:27:16 –> 00:40:28:22
Times how many deer taxi and
00:40:28:22 –> 00:40:29:09
I reapplied.
00:40:29:14 –> 00:40:30:04
How many deer taxi
00:40:30:14 –> 00:40:33:17
Are I would arrive would say, dear, maybe you
00:40:33:17 –> 00:40:33:28
Went back
00:40:33:28 –> 00:40:35:00
And forth. Can’t talk about
00:40:35:00 –> 00:40:36:06
It. Lot of lot of changes.
00:40:36:26 –> 00:40:40:22
Me and friends. Friends, kids, women and children. Could you
00:40:40:22 –> 00:40:40:27
Imagine
00:40:41:04 –> 00:40:42:05
Checking his apps? Oh,
00:40:42:16 –> 00:40:43:18
You’d be a nightmare. I
00:40:43:18 –> 00:40:44:09
Was a nightmare For me.
00:40:44:12 –> 00:40:44:23
You’d
00:40:44:23 –> 00:40:47:05
Be a nightmare because I’m gonna have to figure out what they owe me.
00:40:47:13 –> 00:40:48:00
What do you start?
00:40:48:15 –> 00:41:09:10
Yeah, because when you pull out, if if if you’re within the app period, you can put it back in Next day it was in two days I had an app back in and I’m okay if they have it as long as I get it back. And so then I’m looking at it. So then I went with cheap fee and the, you know, afterthought how this is, I’m not competing with Wyatt for a general tax.
00:41:09:13 –> 00:41:10:29
Yeah. And then Wyatt did he
00:41:11:11 –> 00:41:16:28
Wyatt? Well the odds say you should go special every time, all day long. Yeah. And I, and I did and I went cheap because I but
00:41:16:28 –> 00:41:17:15
You have you reasons
00:41:17:21 –> 00:41:18:16
I’m gonna draw and he’s not,
00:41:18:16 –> 00:41:22:15
It’s like 900 bucks different or whatever. So it’s just like, and you’re like, I could
00:41:22:26 –> 00:41:41:05
Walk at some point. I didn’t ever been tired. Have you ever gotten tired of giving the state your money or giving buying gear? Have you ever gotten tired of it? I mean I was at that point all the time. I, I’m not saying all the time that we should quit. I’m just saying I got tired of it for a minute. Yes. And, and I was all the time. I was like, I’m there. So
00:41:41:05 –> 00:41:41:09
Your
00:41:41:09 –> 00:41:43:10
Amendment game is strong. Oh man.
00:41:44:09 –> 00:41:45:01
If any of you have
00:41:45:07 –> 00:41:47:17
Questions at 15 bucks a whack, it’s hard not to. If
00:41:47:17 –> 00:41:48:18
Any of you guys ever have questions
00:41:48:18 –> 00:41:53:19
About warn you gonna came $15 your mind. Yeah. Keep it, keep that portion. If
00:41:53:19 –> 00:42:20:06
You can amend your application. Carter knows the answer. Yeah. If he if any, if you know any weird weird ways there is a question about that too. I’m gonna just ask it right now. I well I I will say my, my, just so that people don’t say Bronson ever said what he uses for optics. I use pretty much what Jason did. We, we use swirl forever. I’ve always been a straight, straight scope guy. Use the 95. I love the variability and that I also have a BTX. I use it with a 95 instead the one 15. And,
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And I, I think that’s actually optimal.
00:42:23:16 –> 00:42:27:09
It is a little bit more, I pack it more than yes than what I would’ve won 15.
00:42:27:13 –> 00:42:30:19
The one 15. I just keep ’em married up in the truck
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And I have that set up too. But it’s nice so I can lend it out. So yeah. So I did that mainly so I can lend it to someone and still have my 95 spotted with me.
00:42:38:21 –> 00:42:51:06
But if I’m buying one today, I’m buying a 95 with a BT. Yeah. I’m not buying a one 15. I don’t think it gives you enough. And, and and it’s, it’s a, it’s an amazing spot in scope so you can switch, switch in and out with the eye pieces.
00:42:51:17 –> 00:43:19:12
I use a 12 or 14 NOPI do not use a range finding vinyl. I’ve never, never, I want the best glass and, and every pretty much, I know it’s being ultra picky, but I think Jason and I are more like this. I want the very best glass that I can get for my vinyl. Yeah. And any imperfection, how slight it may be or whether it be laser, whether it be a display in there on a rangefinder, vinyl. It has slight, slight differences. It does
00:43:19:12 –> 00:43:23:28
Even, even if you can’t see it, it’s there. You just figure it’s there. So it just doesn’t matter. Well
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It is, it’s why they, people say why don’t, why doesn’t SRO or all that make their NL is with it because it it, the, the Christmas and clarity gets would take away
00:43:33:04 –> 00:43:33:22
From that. Takes
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Technology slide away. It does. So I use that and I use a standalone range finder. SIG eight K, the
00:43:39:00 –> 00:43:41:00
SIG eight K and the 2,400. I still use it.
00:43:41:16 –> 00:44:04:23
I still have that. That’s for kids. But, but for me, I use my glasses 90, 99% of the time with I don’t need my rangefinder. So I don’t need a rangefinder by No and my twelves and fourteens all the time with me. I you need it when you’re going to kill something. And that’s like 1% of all my time. I put my glasses up to my eyes. Yeah. That’s me. So anyway, but here’s the question for Jason.
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No, no. So well the question regarding, are we good on the general tag? Why can we move on? I think
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We’re good. Yeah.
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We need to expound upon that. What if I draw and you don’t?
00:44:15:00 –> 00:44:16:24
It’d be awesome. I’d be happy for you.
00:44:17:29 –> 00:44:19:22
Okay. What I would feel bad. Let’s talk about
00:44:19:22 –> 00:44:23:15
Great. Wait, geez you guys, let’s kiss and make up. Let’s move
00:44:23:15 –> 00:44:23:19
On.
00:44:23:20 –> 00:44:25:10
We’re made up. Let’s turn the page. Good. Wait
00:44:25:10 –> 00:44:31:01
A minute. There’s only, there’s one of us here that’s not afraid to self-promote. So if you need new binos, give us a call. If
00:44:31:01 –> 00:44:45:00
You need, need new spotting scopes, give us a call. That’s if you need a shiny lure drug in front of you. Yep. Call Josh. Give a call. Do you wanna talk, try to talk. Jason out of one of his old optics, give us a call. It’d be easy. I’d rather sell him new right here from the store. And that way I don’t have to feel bad.
00:44:46:11 –> 00:44:53:09
Okay. Regarding application mistakes or amendments. There’s a question from Matthew says, what mistakes in that
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Have
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You, I’m just gonna kinda gen generalize it. Have you made and or heard of on an application and how is it fixed? Let’s talk about some of those. There’s been some weird ones. I’m gonna, I’m gonna remember one of these, this guy, and I’m gonna, I’m gonna leave out names to protect the innocent, but there’s a guy, how about
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Leave out names to protect
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The guilty applied first choice for with a bunch of sheet points in Montana For an unlimited. Yeah, for an unlimited. Remember that guy and then called and said, hey I, I’ve got an unlimited hunt booked. I applied for that. And we’re like, ugh. You could have bought that during the month of, they fixed it April,
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If I remember right.
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And kept your points. And we actually called Montana on his behalf and they, they somehow gave, yeah, yeah, we’ll do that for you. Gave him his points back and his
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Unlimited, the stroke of the keyboard. That was
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The second guy that year. Remember that? Yes. There’s two,
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Two of them, two guys did that. And we, we’ve talked about it a lot either in the mag or on the podcast that if you’re ever gonna do that, just buy it over the counter. That, that month and when, when it’s open, I say month, but before the deadline. Before May 1st and do it. Arizona’s kind of a stringent, right? There’s only like one option in Arizona. Why? And what is that scramble? The credit card. How does that Yeah. ’cause that might
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They call you to offer it to you? ’cause they’re being really nice. Don’t accept it. Yeah.
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Turn, turn ’em down.
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Yeah.
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Arizona, it does not have any kind of even fix it. Even if you notice three, you have point guard. So that, that, and we’ve seen ’em go through the wildlife commission down there. Well did you have a chance, did you buy point guard? No. Did you have an opportunity to check Yes. And didn’t? No.
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No. Then they turned to Arizona Game and fish representative was our programming faulty?
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No. No. Alright, next please.
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Yeah. And that’s after an hour. They really hear the guy out. Basically the guy, they spend some time.
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I he, he draws a cow tag with his
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26 6 elk points. Yeah.
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It’s like
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He doesn’t have point guard. We now, we now have what we call point guard. Sir. I
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Mean I, I would not apply Arizona without buying point guard ever. No matter what.
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Even if you think I’m only doing early rifle or something, you stub your big toe a week before and have to have surgery on
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It. Or maybe you break a finger.
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Maybe you break your trigger finger. Like one
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You
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Could get attacked by a feral dog or the
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Hunt dog.
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These
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Are exactly struggling.
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Or you could be attacked by a federal dog’s owner. That’s
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Right.
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What fed? Fed feral dogs. Oh, feral dogs. Feral dogs. Okay. Federal. But
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Why? Yeah, so maybe briefly, ’cause this is kind of appropriate. Right now we’re within that two or three week period right in there in Arizona. The deadline’s over, you’ve applied. You might look at your choices and realize I use 2004 hunt codes for deer and I’m in trouble.
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That has happened.
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Yeah. A lot. And it’s worse than the cow thing. ’cause I don’t think they even have dove deer tags anywhere in Arizona. But they have cow elk. But you gotta do what? So when you go, you basically tell people what you do. Why
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You basically update your credit card to a credit card that does, doesn’t exist. Or I guess one of those Walmart prepaid Walmart cards with $5 on
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It. Yeah. Don’t even And don’t even, yeah. The problem with one guy, you alluded Jason the one time he just changed like his expiration date or something, but the card number so that Arizona actually called him. Yeah. And and they’re not supposed to do that. No. But they did.
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They, they’re going outta their way to help you
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It’s very frustrating. Of course. They’re just
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So, the guy said no,
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They probably didn’t even look at the hunt code and realize you’re applying for a cow tag.
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Yeah.
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And that ones tags like antler elk, especially like they’re no joke. They’re kind of hard to draw. Go draw a guy tag with you, you needs some points. In many cases it’s pretty crazy.
00:48:30:19 –> 00:48:32:07
Yeah. What else? What are other,
00:48:32:15 –> 00:48:35:07
Well, it interesting why we learned about California.
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Yeah. California
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You can amend 10 days later.
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Yeah. Can I, I’m not sure if it’s 10 days or they say there’s a, there’s like a hard deadline that she sends out. But it can be up to 10 days after the draw. It’s just
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After the draw deadline have,
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After the draw deadline, the application, you have to deadline them. So as long as you have a submitted application, you can still change it. So
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You have to call ’em. You have to call.
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Yep.
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But it’s in interesting.
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There’s a weird long process in Idaho. A lot of states made it real easy. Utah, Nevada make
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It easy and charge people. You wanna increase your budget, charge people. Well we’re, you’d pay $15 if you made a mistake on a, on an application to go and reapply.
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Well, not even a mistake. Just change your mind or change. Change to another tag came, I don’t know,
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Change
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Mind. Well some of these application periods are so long. I mean, geez, they go for two months and you have a couple state trial results come out. It makes no sense that if you can apply the last day of an app period, why can’t you amend your app that you did a month earlier than that? It makes no sense. It just,
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You, they just hired the right programmers. Exactly. Not willing to spend the money. Yep.
00:49:34:15 –> 00:49:44:06
And most states you can amend most you can some way and, and make it pretty easy. But there are still a few that are paying. I think the only two that you really can’t. Montana and Arizona. Arizona,
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Yeah. They’re, they’re final.
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Final. I think that’s, that’s one thing. Like we heard a couple instances this year with some sheep guys here in Utah that potentially applied
00:49:58:20 –> 00:50:09:09
Inadvertently. Oh we a lot because Yeah, they had some terminology too close. Yeah. S Glen East and West Caparros. East and west. And I talked to no less than three or four people.
00:50:09:11 –> 00:50:11:03
Dear Little Rock, he’s thinking they have Henry’s.
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Yeah. Why didn’t you talk to somebody that thought that was just a rut hunt on the Henrys basically. Yeah. That they drew and they, so
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You gotta, you gotta pay attention. ’cause those guys, yeah, there’s the ability to turn those tags back and there’s, you know, you get some money back, but you won’t get your extra point. Especially on those sheep points. Those guys potentially, if they wouldn’t have drawn this year, they still would’ve ahead been ahead of, there’s a bunch of guys right below ’em that are now kicked into another pool of 15 other hunters. You get cut low and now you’re 10 years out. Yes. And you are, you are one year out. You know, it’s, it could be pretty serious if
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You were to turn it back and not get your point. Yeah.
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Even though also it’s nice that some of these states have that ability to do that, but still
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It
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Put you back 10
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Years. It still recharge your progress on
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That. Like try falling, try try messing up in Colorado on elk when you’re in the 2 0 1 2 rifle early rifle and then you fall one year back. No, you put, might be looking at 10 or 15 years. I dunno. One point. Crazy. Alright.
00:51:04:24 –> 00:51:07:21
Is that, did we kind of vet that out Good? Yep. Do we have any other examples? I,
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I couldn’t think of any of those are but Mo we’re talking about the states that don’t make it easy. Yeah. Those ones go in and change it, but there’s a few, few weird weird ways. What’s the most common
00:51:17:13 –> 00:51:20:11
Mistake? Is it applying for an antler list tag versus
00:51:21:08 –> 00:51:21:28
An antler tag?
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What’s the most common thing? Mistake wise?
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Just a wrong hunt code. That’s, I
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Thinking
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The wrong hunt code just for a different year.
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New Mexico, Arizona. Looking
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At years, I’m looking at last, last year’s New Mexico’s can ratchet sometimes. I mean just, you gotta lose, use that year’s hunt code.
00:51:39:20 –> 00:51:49:13
That’s the one thing on our website, a lot of times we use last year’s hunt code because you gotta match up. Last year’s hunt code with last year’s dates equals last year’s drawing draws to keep everything Same. Same, same.
00:51:49:13 –> 00:51:52:16
So don’t look at that and take that this year and apply with it. You know?
00:51:52:26 –> 00:51:57:09
Yeah. So I mean that should be intuitive. But sometimes guys just in Hayes get cranking. And
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The other thing it could happen is like when Utah did the December archery, the button was right below the, the normal archery. Yeah. It’s easy to see. Archery machine it click, you don’t
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Look at the dates. I remember when moose was a little bit programmed a little different than the goat and the sheep and guys were not getting the point. You
00:52:14:06 –> 00:52:15:06
Know what I mean? Click in the box, poke
00:52:15:06 –> 00:52:26:21
In the box, flip flopped, remember? And they would flip flop ’em, but they weren’t programmed exactly the same on the look. Yep. So you get cranking and get going and anyway, there’s just a few little nuances that screw people up. Yep. All right.
00:52:27:00 –> 00:52:59:18
All right. Broadheads, we’re all gonna start shooting bows here right away if we aren’t already. Let’s go through that. People wanna know favorite broadheads. What do we use? Mechanical fixed. Why? Y probably results based for me kind of is. I mean what’s been working? I keep using, I know there’s a lot of new flashy lures out there. There always is. But I, I use, I use a trophy taker shuttle tee. It’s a little hundred grainer but it’s strong for me and shoots identical to my failed points. I love that.
00:52:59:29 –> 00:53:00:17
That is nice.
00:53:00:22 –> 00:53:02:27
I love that. I don’t have to redo anything
00:53:03:12 –> 00:53:05:04
That’s an oldie. Oldie but goody. It
00:53:05:04 –> 00:53:12:05
Is kind of old. Call me old school. I just, I said this on a hot mic many other times to the screw of many of you guys. But I’m not a tweaker.
00:53:14:04 –> 00:53:14:23
That’s true.
00:53:15:21 –> 00:53:17:16
I don’t like to tweak stuff. If it works,
00:53:17:22 –> 00:53:18:17
You haven’t tried it.
00:53:20:27 –> 00:53:24:15
And I’m proud of that and I’m proud of that. I have not parted.
00:53:24:18 –> 00:53:35:04
I like the grim reaper. That Hades broadhead. I know that one has performed like crazy. Hunter Grainer been awesome, but I’ve used a number of ’em. G five I’ve used,
00:53:35:11 –> 00:53:37:10
I’ve used, yeah, I use that for a minute. Yeah.
00:53:38:28 –> 00:53:46:22
I feel like I’m not so much picky as what it is, what brand or anything. It’s just, it’s got a shoe, like a field tip. If it doesn’t, I’ll just shoot something else. Yeah. I was super might
00:53:46:23 –> 00:53:47:24
I like a fixed broadhead.
00:53:48:22 –> 00:53:59:23
I know I was always a fixed bro head shooter until a couple years ago when I got the Nevada elk tag and I got shooting just right before my hunt and swapped over to an expandable and it’s the G five dead meat. I’ve had great luck with it.
00:54:00:24 –> 00:54:01:03
Yeah,
00:54:01:03 –> 00:54:06:09
You, you shot two arrows, Wyatt? Yeah. Yeah. Killed a 3 75 bull and a 2 20, 2 25. Yeah.
00:54:06:12 –> 00:54:07:07
Two. I’m two for two.
00:54:09:10 –> 00:54:10:21
I’d say they treated you well. What do it do?
00:54:12:08 –> 00:54:40:27
The reason why we ask Wyatt when, when it comes in it rains all night long. We want to know if Wyatt says, boy, I wish I had a deer tag here in southern Utah this year. Like if, if he ever says that watch out, it’s gonna be a year to watch out for. But anyway. Well it’s usually right when he’s bold enough to say it when you can get it out of him. The cryptic cryptic leaves follow. Okay. What else guys? Josh
00:54:42:09 –> 00:55:10:13
I, the ones I’ve used the most is just a little slick trick. It’s a four blade fixed. It’s really small so it flies really good and everything. And yeah, I dunno the same kind of thing with Wyatt, like it’s killed everything I’ve hit with it. So I don’t really feel like they need to change. I did start shooting after, after a while was talking. It was some hard to find some of those sometimes. And so I was shooting that dead meat too, just practicing with it. But I haven’t hunted with it, you know, killed anything with it I guess you could say. So see how it works. But
00:55:10:24 –> 00:55:18:25
Did you say what you use Devon or do you have variety and you just said you, you you most important. You wanna shoot what shoots? Like your field tip? What? What you’ve been practicing
00:55:19:00 –> 00:55:20:17
Mahogany. Obsidian instead of just,
00:55:21:06 –> 00:55:21:12
You
00:55:21:12 –> 00:55:23:28
Know, he’s got a little satchel that when you’re out there he
00:55:23:28 –> 00:55:24:04
Pulls
00:55:24:04 –> 00:55:25:00
Up for the situation
00:55:25:12 –> 00:55:28:27
So you don’t go red flint. You like more obsidian black you like? Yeah. Okay.
00:55:28:27 –> 00:55:31:19
Case you have to just sharpen on the fly. You can reuse ’em. Alright.
00:55:32:09 –> 00:55:33:00
Got an array of bird,
00:55:33:04 –> 00:55:41:22
Couple of barbs. No, I shoot, I like grim reapers too. Okay. I shot wh comes. I like, I like fixed three blades. That
00:55:41:22 –> 00:55:43:21
Three blade micro. I like that. Just,
00:55:43:29 –> 00:55:44:03
I
00:55:44:03 –> 00:55:44:22
Like a fix three.
00:55:44:22 –> 00:55:50:25
That’s just go back and forth every other one with field tips. See what it does. And if it’s matching well I’ll, I’ll run with it. So yeah.
00:55:51:15 –> 00:55:52:09
Did cash say
00:55:54:00 –> 00:56:02:18
If I use a fixed blade? I like that slick trick four blade. And then the last few years I haven’t touched it and I’ve been shooting the sever 1.5 hybrid.
00:56:03:23 –> 00:56:04:19
I’ve heard good things about
00:56:04:19 –> 00:56:08:19
Bulls. I’ve loved that. I’ve loved that. Broadhead killed the bull. 70 yards. No big deal.
00:56:09:22 –> 00:56:11:04
You’ve shot it a lot of bulls too.
00:56:12:22 –> 00:56:13:03
A couple.
00:56:13:29 –> 00:56:15:18
What does that mean? I believe there’s
00:56:15:18 –> 00:56:20:18
A YouTube episode recently released. I love watching the raw footage on some things.
00:56:20:25 –> 00:56:21:04
It’s
00:56:21:04 –> 00:56:21:27
Real it my own too.
00:56:22:24 –> 00:56:23:17
I’ll say there’s a couple
00:56:23:23 –> 00:56:24:24
We’re real haven’t
00:56:24:24 –> 00:56:24:25
Seen.
00:56:25:25 –> 00:56:26:17
We are real around here.
00:56:26:24 –> 00:56:27:23
You don’t think I’ve seen him
00:56:28:10 –> 00:56:32:29
Unless Logan went it against his word. We’ll see if Logan’s honest or not.
00:56:34:01 –> 00:56:37:05
I’m just saying is your name at the bottom of his paycheck? I’m just saying that’s true.
00:56:37:08 –> 00:56:39:21
That’s true. Yours is. Mine’s not. It’s true.
00:56:40:22 –> 00:56:42:29
I think Logan’s pretty honest with Adam and I and John.
00:56:43:15 –> 00:56:45:03
Yeah. There’s a loyalty there doesn’t
00:56:47:18 –> 00:56:48:05
Good answer.
00:56:49:15 –> 00:56:52:21
I could, I could quiz you to see if you’ve seen one. Hey,
00:56:53:09 –> 00:56:54:12
I forget what happens yesterday.
00:56:55:02 –> 00:57:02:29
Does it change for mule deer, elk? Do you guys, I don’t, I don’t change my broad head or deer elk. Do any of you guys do that? Okay. Some people I know if
00:57:02:29 –> 00:57:04:05
We’re doing Cape Buffalo we might
00:57:04:05 –> 00:57:12:13
Do something. Do some people, some people, none of you. But we don’t wanna use the expand pole for rail as much versus a fixed blade. I don’t
00:57:12:13 –> 00:57:19:10
Know why. I mean, if you, they shoot, if a fixed really shoot shoot way shoots, well why would you? I just don’t understand, you know, why would you run to
00:57:19:10 –> 00:57:37:06
The mechanic? I’ve always, my only thing with elk and fixed blades is if it is, if it’s not a pass through. Yeah, yeah. What’s happening inside while it’s moving or if it, if it is broke off, it’s gonna cut, cut, cut. If it, if it pulls back. Yeah. Right. And it’s working its way out. It’s not cutting anything. Yeah. So with time it’s not doing more damage. But that’s my been my only thought.
00:57:37:26 –> 00:57:49:17
One thing I think we’re jaded a little, the old guys are jaded a little bit on mechanicals ’cause they used, you know, throw rubber bands on ’em and I don’t know, it just, they just weren’t built like they are today. So I’m not saying they’re bad. They’re
00:57:49:17 –> 00:58:01:04
Pro, they’re awesome. They were people, lot of stuff. Mechanical saw the first come out and they were janky. Let’s just, they’re definite If Jacob up janky in the magazine, it has a picture of the first mechanical product with the rubber bands and
00:58:01:04 –> 00:58:02:15
There’s some other things too that are in there.
00:58:03:07 –> 00:58:03:23
Yeah, we’ll
00:58:03:23 –> 00:58:04:07
Think about that. We’ve
00:58:04:07 –> 00:58:07:17
Dealt with, what is it, Dolores Elk hunt. Is that the, where you don’t use your janky truck.
00:58:07:17 –> 00:58:09:16
Truck janky vehicles. We had to use. So Adam,
00:58:09:24 –> 00:58:14:12
For all of you, for all of you guys that ever saw that and had a chuckle that was an insider. Adam and I
00:58:14:21 –> 00:58:16:22
Challenge each other to use certain words
00:58:16:26 –> 00:58:22:15
Once in a while we throw out one word to each other. Say throw it in the state somewhere. Just throw it in there and see if it gets through the editors.
00:58:22:19 –> 00:58:25:17
Sure enough. Jana’s like really? You want to use this? Yeah. Yeah.
00:58:25:29 –> 00:58:30:19
We’re leaving. It fits. It’s fine. It’s not the place to take. Somebody’s gonna vehicle deep the
00:58:32:14 –> 00:58:34:09
Use of English on that particular hunt.
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I love finding those.
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So you know what they are when you see ’em. Oh yeah. I love it all. Well, here’s another one. This is a little bit, well there’s a couple office questions. There’s one, and I don’t know how we answer this one because we rarely hunt together. We,
00:58:47:17 –> 00:58:49:15
This has gotta be the last one ’cause it’s 105 degrees
00:58:49:15 –> 00:59:06:11
In here. Well, we’re no, we’re not near done, but we’re we’re But there’s a big, there’s a doozy at the end. I don’t wanna ruin it for, there’s a doozy. But who in the office is the best glasser at, at finding deer? And also what are some glassing tips? I I don’t know how we answer that. No, we don’t becausecause we don’t hunt together. We don’t Wait.
00:59:06:15 –> 00:59:07:21
I will say I’ve, I’ve
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Glass next to Jason a lot and anytime I can see a deer before he does, it’s like I won the lottery.
00:59:13:15 –> 00:59:42:23
So, but I have glass next to Devin and I think he does is amazing. And I have glass next to Wyatt and he does, he’s made a living glass. So I think there’s, I I I feel like we’re, we’re, we’ve all, we’re all in this industry and we’ve been in it a long time and there’s a reason for it. I feel like, I feel like we’re pretty darn good at it. I think we have favorite systems like gridding patterns. I feel like there’s places I’m gonna set up. I’m gonna look first. There’s places you guys would look a little bit different. Yeah. So speed. And I can’t, sometimes my vary slightly. I’m picking something
00:59:42:23 –> 00:59:54:00
Up sometimes. Can’t explain why you do what you do sometimes. Exactly. You just, I’ve done it. And I think that the biggest tip is to do a lot of it. Be be patient and and glass a lot. Yeah. That’s how you’ll learn. I
00:59:54:00 –> 01:00:06:09
Feel like I lack, I know what I lack and I think we all probably know what we lack in. I lack in I think patience. Like I’m a speed kind of speed to, to a fault. It’s good sometimes, but it’s sometimes
01:00:06:09 –> 01:00:06:28
You cover more
01:00:06:28 –> 01:00:12:06
Ground, but sometimes you miss stuff. Yeah. I oh you miss stuff. You know, like sometimes it’s just, just chill out for a second, you know?
01:00:12:11 –> 01:00:32:15
Yeah. You, you’ll see guys come out whether they’re one eye in a spotting scope next to you and you, you know, you’d think everything’s here so I can see everything with 12 or fit fourteens. Yeah. And you got somebody, usually it’s like a hunter or something in there panning with a spotter with one eye, which I hate to do by the way. And all of a sudden, like I got a buck an they beded. I
01:00:32:15 –> 01:00:33:11
Do it all the time. And you’re
01:00:33:11 –> 01:00:33:13
Like,
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I’m not a fan of that. Oh, Kevin does it.
01:00:37:10 –> 01:00:37:13
I
01:00:37:13 –> 01:00:54:25
Talk at long book. I’m, I’m not talking long, I’m not talking long stuff. ’cause we’ve all done that. When you’re like, I need more. I couldn’t pack the BTX and the spotter and my, and my glass, but then all of a sudden find, find a ear or piece of antler and they walk you to it and you’re like, oh yeah, I see that now.
01:00:55:21 –> 01:01:13:27
I think, I think a lot of over a lot of your success class and also is based off your level of engagement for that particular hunt or day. That’s right. So some days I’m just off, but I’m also like, if I don’t have the conviction that there’s something big there, I’m on, let’s call it a Utah general somewhere. Yeah. I’m just not as effective versus if I treat it like, like an Arizona strip type tag
01:01:13:27 –> 01:01:19:22
Versus, I would say that’s more important than any other strategy. Yep. Level of engagement. It’s, it’s what is in your
01:01:19:22 –> 01:01:28:16
Mind? Like I think Devin, what’s impressed me about Devon, he can go 10 days without checking in with society. Like let’s just say it was a, a Nevada deer hunt. Let’s just say
01:01:28:22 –> 01:01:28:29
He
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Can go. He is, his level of engagement is excessive. Yeah. And, and is what I think is a good reason for his success is every day he’s excessively engaged. Yeah. And not checking his phone, not checking email, not checking social media. I’m, if I can get service, I’m like, I’m 15 minutes
01:01:47:19 –> 01:01:48:24
On. Who’s something who’s killing. So
01:01:49:01 –> 01:01:52:07
I’m 15 minutes off and two minutes on social. Okay. And then I’m another 15.
01:01:52:11 –> 01:02:00:15
Yeah. Devon’s, Devon’s maybe to a fault you could say that point. ’cause he can get married one week and then not check in with his new bride for two straight weeks Right after that. Right.
01:02:00:23 –> 01:02:02:27
Well that was Garmin and at t that wasn’t me.
01:02:03:20 –> 01:02:05:01
No. But the rest of us would’ve fixed it.
01:02:06:11 –> 01:02:08:06
Devon’s like, I’m hunting moose right now.
01:02:09:12 –> 01:02:09:22
I’m in,
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I’m in Alaska point.
01:02:12:22 –> 01:02:14:25
That is good to that. I appreciate that. I mean I think it’s,
01:02:15:04 –> 01:02:16:07
I think the level of engagement,
01:02:16:07 –> 01:02:33:01
But I think down to the morning, like sometimes I’ll be, I’ll be in a place and I’m like, I know there’s a buck here and I have convinced myself in my mind there’s a buck beded in here and I’ll find one. Yeah. I’ll find an ear, I’ll find. But then sometimes like, I’m like, dude, the day is over. Yeah. There’s,
01:02:33:09 –> 01:02:33:17
I’m over.
01:02:34:07 –> 01:02:36:01
And because you say there’s not Jack, it’s 11 in the
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Start speeding up
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And I’m blasting with my tens. Like it
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Handholding,
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Handholding. I haven’t set up,
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Don’t see nothing.
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And that’s when I up, that was exactly what I thought.
01:02:46:05 –> 01:02:46:24
I hit it hard.
01:02:47:18 –> 01:03:05:07
I think Wyatt’s level of engagement up there on his deer hunt last year up north. No joke. Level of engagement. And I feel like there’s a difference between we’re all, if you’re just going through the motions, ’cause I’ve got this tag and I really feel like I, I I really just wish I was home. I’ve hunted too much this year. You know what I mean?
01:03:05:15 –> 01:04:14:21
One thing I’ll, I’ll know what I know a deer’s there. And what I mean by that is I’ve either seen it scouting and you just assume he is not killed by a lion. You can’t assume Okay, a week or two later he’s already dead. You don’t, we never assume that until you see birds and find him. And you go days, 2, 3, 4 days. There he is right there where you’ve been looking. Yes. Or you watch your buck, you watch your target buck and you watch him bed right after daylight. And you’re like, how was I in on him? I just got lucky to find him. Yes. And now he lays there for two hours, doesn’t get up, barely can see a piece of him. You know, he is there and you go back and you’re glassing everywhere else and you go back every once in a while he’s moved and then you’ll see him barely move. You’re like, that. That teaches me like slow the crap down because Yes. That deer is laying there and, and while I’m quote babysitting him looking for other stuff, I’ll go back and I’ll convince myself four times. Always got up and moved ’cause you moved for five or 10 minutes and come back. And then he moves like he’s still right there. Yeah. You know what I mean? And you, that’s when you realize pump the brakes. There’s more here potentially. But I,
01:04:15:01 –> 01:04:42:21
Well also when, when that happens too, is I realize when they’re bed, when I watch ’em bed at the crack of daylight, I’m like, I feel useless. Yeah. I I feel like our our that hour two through four is an absolute waste of time. Yeah. Because this is what they’re doing. Yeah. In Nevada. Yes, exactly. They avoid sun like the freaking plague. Yeah. You know what I mean? Even if it’s cold. Yeah. They just hate the sun. They’re trained to hate the sun. They hate the sun. They don’t wanna be in the sun. And, and so
01:04:43:04 –> 01:04:51:23
I think part of that too, ’cause you know that small amount of time is so valuable. You probably, I always go too fast at that time. Yeah. Like you’re like, I gotta hit this, this, this, this. He’s, because
01:04:51:23 –> 01:04:53:15
I only got, they’re on their feet right now. I got 30
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Minutes. You’re looking
01:04:54:04 –> 01:04:54:11
For
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It’s an arch
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Vote. Only
01:04:56:05 –> 01:04:57:13
Case you’re scouting in the summer. It’s
01:04:57:13 –> 01:05:04:07
Archery. I’m not gonna change that. I think that’s good. I think you cover as much as fast as you can. ’cause if you, if you’re just, it’s a good point. Microfocused on one place in
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The first 30 minutes or now
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Missing your day shot. You have, you have
01:05:07:18 –> 01:05:12:28
Now, now a co deer hunter’s gonna argue with you and say slow down. That’s a whole different covered this piece. Different
01:05:12:28 –> 01:05:14:21
Animal piece there. Yeah. That’s a different deal. But
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Deer, that’s when, that’s when you pan with BTX at a thousand
01:05:18:03 –> 01:05:26:06
Yards. You live behind A BTX. Yeah. You’re, you’re and your neck’s sore because it’s angled. You know you’re cross-eyed just cramp
01:05:26:06 –> 01:05:29:25
Because you got cramps in your legs. You’re cussing lower back. You’re
01:05:29:29 –> 01:05:35:28
Cussing the angled. Why do we have to have angled? Why wouldn’t they make a straight, not a wipe Tell tell me another pair of binoculars that are angled.
01:05:36:12 –> 01:05:39:19
You’re taking so frustrat, ibuprofen. You should be all right.
01:05:40:18 –> 01:05:46:29
You double chasing it with Tylenol Y. It’s affecting liver. Things like this.
01:05:47:10 –> 01:05:47:18
That’s
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Right. Kidneys. Yeah.
01:05:49:04 –> 01:05:54:23
New. Another question. Two more. And I promise we’re done. So this is a fun one. This is for Josh and Wyatt.
01:05:55:08 –> 01:05:55:18
Oh, I
01:05:55:18 –> 01:06:02:27
Like it. You are the team captains for the company basketball game. Who would, who would they pick for their teams and why?
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Oh, come on.
01:06:04:07 –> 01:06:06:05
God. That’s a question. I didn’t make that up.
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Who gets to pick first? That’s,
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That’s legit.
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Ruck paper
01:06:09:12 –> 01:06:10:21
Scissors right now. One
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Time that that’s determined right now. Do it quick, quick B play the game. Scissors.
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We’re way off.
01:06:18:25 –> 01:06:19:07
You’re
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Way off. And I
01:06:20:08 –> 01:06:20:15
You
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Got him. You got him. You cut me. Alright, take someone.
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I I, my first pick could probably be Adam. Of course you got it. You know,
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Height and he plays plays. The other Viking is is on the other team. I can’t
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Remember what the Monticello gym was called, but he spent a lot of time in there. I
01:06:36:10 –> 01:06:46:18
Don’t know if it’s got, I haven’t been back for a while. Right. I’ve been waiting for him to call the retirement number. I haven’t been back for a long time. So I has a name, but
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I’m taking Devin ’cause he’s, he’s gonna take Adam out and he says he could dunk a ball still. No.
01:06:51:27 –> 01:06:52:29
To this day. Can you really? What?
01:06:53:07 –> 01:06:53:13
No
01:06:53:22 –> 01:06:56:07
You could at one time. I’m five, eight and a quarter.
01:06:56:18 –> 01:07:00:27
So is that why you think in a quarter? So you think Devon’s gonna undercut me when going for a layup?
01:07:01:08 –> 01:07:03:13
Yeah. I’m not a center dude. I’m a point guard. I’m just telling you
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Devon’s. So Josh thinks you’re dirty. So he wants you, he thinks he thinks you’re the bill Lamb beer
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Today.
01:07:13:01 –> 01:07:14:18
I bet I could still touch the net.
01:07:17:13 –> 01:07:21:11
Well then I’d have to be next. I’d pick Carter. ’cause I think it’d be a hard screen to move once he got
01:07:22:05 –> 01:07:25:05
That could fundamentals. That’s right.
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Come out
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All. Well
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Let’s get out of this freaking sweat. Freaking
01:07:31:28 –> 01:07:34:25
Filled. You wanna save the very best one for another one or not?
01:07:35:10 –> 01:07:38:03
Let’s hit it. Okay. If it real quick, let’s hit it. If it’s dealing with Pollock
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No, it’s dealing with what changes would you make if you were subtly in charge of Utah DWR in regards to deer? Oh, let’s
01:07:45:13 –> 01:07:48:03
Save it. I feel like we’ve answered, are we so over them?
01:07:48:22 –> 01:07:49:03
Maybe?
01:07:49:25 –> 01:07:52:15
Yeah. My gosh. Do we have to end on a downer?
01:07:54:02 –> 01:07:56:24
What does your writing say? I can’t read that. Something.
01:07:57:04 –> 01:07:58:28
How about this? How about, how about this
01:07:59:03 –> 01:08:00:27
Buck dough ratios? How about
01:08:00:27 –> 01:08:01:17
We suggest
01:08:01:20 –> 01:08:03:24
This is in red so this is Jason’s thoughts.
01:08:05:06 –> 01:08:05:17
Fires.
01:08:07:00 –> 01:08:07:09
What
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Do you mean start fires? Something about starting fires.
01:08:10:15 –> 01:08:12:04
Start lights of people on gasoline
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Matches.
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Here, lemme put my glasses on. Bunker ratios. That’s Carter for sure. Bucks over. I just think that they should, I think they should suggest what they really want to have happen. Gain the public’s trust back and instead of working in and around janky weapon types and things like that, just give give tag numbers of get the people, give the people what they want. Give the vocal public what they want. That’s what I think. Even meeting in the middle will be better than what we’re doing. We’re not meeting in the middle. If we think we’re meeting in the middle, it’s off of numbers that are, that are inflated. Hey, I’m over it. I you guys, you guys take it. Take it.
01:08:53:23 –> 01:09:15:16
Yeah. There there are two topics. One’s general season one’s limited entry. I’m really, I’ve said it before, but I’m really bumed that they had to lower the limited entry and premium limited entry bucket deal ratios last year. We only get like, that’s caught. One and a half, 2% of the deer tags in the state under limit entry or whatever, you know, call 80,000 versus what, 1500 or something.
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They gave the extra tags and some management seasons or things like that mean, I mean they tried to mitigate that a little, but it’s still,
01:09:21:09 –> 01:09:34:16
Yeah. And, and okay. Yeah. But let us have something. Yeah. If you’re gonna take it down on this end on the general and lowering them to 15 to 17 bucks per hundred. Which I’m sorry there was, there were some people that wanted it. But all the surveys. All the surveys,
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It doesn’t
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Work before that saying that wasn’t the majority of it and that’s what we’re getting. But why take that on the other end as well. Why? Why, why generic eyes? Just vanilla. Make it, make our deer hunting vanilla in Utah. We’re so vanilla. We’re vanilla without good vanilla flavor.
01:09:51:06 –> 01:10:08:09
Well it doesn’t have to be that way we can, we can offer a ton of opportunity. We just don’t have to have everything go that way or so much opportunity that it’s just not even a even close to a que a a a good experience. So anyway, I, I don’t know. Yeah. I’m happy though. I’m over it. Like we’re, we’ve baked this Yeah.
01:10:08:13 –> 01:10:08:22
Hard
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For the last two or three years. Like,
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But we also gotta remember these people submitted these about three months ago and this was a hot topic.
01:10:14:27 –> 01:10:15:21
Well this
01:10:15:27 –> 01:10:17:00
Question, so we have,
01:10:17:14 –> 01:10:17:21
We
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We have moved on. We’ve had, you know, we’ve had happenings Yeah. Come and go since then and we’ve, you know, obviously things got passed. I think even the division of wildlife were surprised with what they got passed this year. But, ’cause I think people’s, you know what was busted? A little bit.
01:10:33:22 –> 01:10:34:00
A little.
01:10:34:18 –> 01:10:35:10
I think it was busted.
01:10:35:21 –> 01:10:36:12
I think it’s okay to listen.
01:10:36:12 –> 01:10:37:03
Listen. Like
01:10:37:06 –> 01:10:49:03
To the people that are vocal. Yeah. I mean if there’s so much need for tags for everyone if there’s so much. This silent majority is so big. Why do we have a bunch of leftover tags? Yeah. When’s the last time happened?
01:10:49:18 –> 01:10:51:13
That’s a valid limited, great question. Limited
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Entry
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Tag. If it’s, if it’s all about
01:10:53:09 –> 01:10:53:21
That limited
01:10:53:21 –> 01:10:58:24
Entry, you didn’t see muzzle litter tags on any of these units last year that were available when it was just a regular
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Muzzle loader. So where’s the silent majority taking ’em up? Yeah.
01:11:01:21 –> 01:11:02:23
Yeah. Take them. That’s
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To have
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Them. Everybody had a chance to get a tag. Yeah, sorry, sorry. Back off that number of tags next year and leave that to the new num level of tags. That’s about who wanted them.
01:11:11:21 –> 01:11:12:29
It’s just good ’cause you see
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’em, things like Antelope Island as examples for deer or like cactus bucks,
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Buck to do ratio. Cactus bucks for an what does to farm production for
01:11:20:09 –> 01:11:20:25
Age cactus.
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Cactus bucks for age growth and antler growth and stuff. Look, this buck didn’t even grow. He’s 90 years old. Yeah.
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And he’s a normal, he’s a normal buck. Yeah. That would be one to face everything on diff He wasn’t
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Any different when he was three or nine
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From two to 10 he looked the same. Yeah. Yeah.
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And we got, we got the more cheatgrass than anywhere in the world.
01:11:39:13 –> 01:11:48:03
Yeah. Antelope island’s the worst habitat for deer in the state of Utah. And we’re using that somehow as an example, what a high buck to doe ratio can do to keep your population from growing
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And the quality in the 14,000 other little
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Extrapolate that to other units have 20, $30,000 deer you wanna really get going on
01:11:55:18 –> 01:12:07:13
That. It, I think it, we are in challenging times. We are always trying to find that weird place that was overlooked. Maybe tags. There were some places in Colorado they cut tags maybe more than, what do we call those? What they needed? Well, I don’t know. Josh knows
01:12:08:06 –> 01:12:09:07
Tender mercies.
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Okay. Happy accidents. Okay, there we go. And I can’t say it, it’s just, anyway, so there we are. Anyway, so these, the, the accident, the management accidents that happen, we’re trying to, you know, pay attention to, but I think there’s states like Nevada that are just dealing with dry weather and long term drought over the course of time and they’re actually high bucked door ratios right now according to their records and files and surveys and
01:12:36:04 –> 01:12:45:16
Whatnot. Yeah. It’s just interesting though. I’m for interesting how they’re future, their county advisory boards and wildlife commissions are so drastically different though.
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Yeah.
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In that state. They,
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They, they have all the survey data in the world to say we
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Can give more,
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A lot more Adam, I mean way over 35 bucks per hundred dose. But
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They’re like, no, we’re not recover. We don’t and then we don’t wanna go too fast and the, and
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That’s all, it’s endows politely saying, well maybe we need to revisit our management. If you don’t wanna do this, we don’t know what you want. And they’re saying, all we know is it’s not ready ’cause the quality’s not
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Here. And yeah, we don’t wanna take it before it’s there. We don’t want to anticipate a two point crop and crush the tags. Yeah.
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That’s what we get. And where a lot of the boards including ours, say, well the biologists know best. Well why do we have you then why do we have you, let’s just let the DWR do it all.
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Just set up, let set tags and draw ’em.
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Why do we have a board? I I would just like to know that. Yeah. You know, so anyway, off we go. It’s great. We’re we’re excited for this year though actually. Yeah. I mean Wyatt and his unlimited antelope. I’m excited. I’m gonna go apply Wyatt if you’re good with it. Let’s make fun.
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We got a few hours left.
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There’s the one thing is though, why, where this is unlimited. He doesn’t actually have to link to your application like you would if it’s a real draw. Better
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May not be
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Heart hunt. You better watch him actually do it.
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Gonna be, or it’s suspended. I know you can’t amend it so
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It’s good. I know, but, but if you do it and he says he is gonna do it, I might you better
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If you gotta pay for it. Well there’s no affidavit after five o’clock and we’re to four 20. So
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Affidavit, driver’s license, 14 layers
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Of notary proofs
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And IDs.
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I’ve
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Got one question for looking to the future. What’s the most primitive weapon they could go? Most ineffective one
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A. Why’d we all think of that?
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That’s
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Weird. Well we learned that in Utah history in the first and second grade.
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Yeah,
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I’d love to smoke something with an aade. That’d be awesome.
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Unlimited tags on the most ineffective, oh you know, weapon you can find but you
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Give, you give technology and some u tars two years and per they’ll perfect an Adela. You can kill something hundred 25 yard yards. Hey
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We’re gonna, we’re gonna have a turret you,
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They’ll
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Have a turret for an ada.
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You give it two years and they’ll have to, you’ll have to back off.
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Have you seen those bionic legs to help you run? There’d be just a
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Probably made by a uar.
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A hundred percent.
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If you want an idea. Yeah. Go. Go watch Hunger Games, catching fires. Go watch some of that stuff you see there. You’ll see that stuff show up.
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I mean
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You think it’s primitive. Just wait two, wait 48 months.
01:15:13:24 –> 01:15:16:03
John, weren’t you gonna say about next week’s
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Giveaway? Yeah, I just wanted to remind everybody. We’ve got our hunt summer hunt giveaway in full swing and we, we’ve got weekly drawings. So if you buy tickets this week before Friday and midnight, you’ll be in for a pair of EL range ta 10 by 42 binoculars and if you get a get a ticket package. Then starting Saturday we’re going to the primitive week, which is a Hoyt RX nine carbon bow and a CVA muzzle loader. What’d
01:15:44:00 –> 01:15:45:06
We decide on the muzzle type? An
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Acura. LRX
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Lrx.
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So yeah, don’t laugh at us. We call it primitive week. But you know what we’re talking about bows and muzzle loaders. I mean we realized they’re carbon fiber bows RX nine top of the line. Best to that they make. And same thing with the CVA muzzle loader, but hey, we’re giving two of them. I like it. We gave a wife rifle away a week ago. Yep. So give us a vinyls this week. Love
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It. Just go to our website, epic outdoors.com. The main banner, the first thing you’ll see will be the summer hunt giveaway. So
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