In this episode the crew discusses a couple of different topics that have been on the mind of our listeners. Would we choose a 200” typical or larger nontypical Mule deer? How do you know how many tags are too many in one year? And how has the unpredictable moisture pattern affected our big game populations for the 2025 season?
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Hey everybody. Jason Carter, Adam Bronson, John Peterson. You’re here with us today. How are ya? I’m doing good. All right. We got Joshua Pollock. Of course. We’ve got him on mute. He’s stuffing his face full of, I don’t know. So who are we gonna give credit to today for Josh’s? Nobody
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For free. Just call us a tropical
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Smoothie. Tropical cafe. He’s got a sandwich and an energy drink of sorts, which isn’t good for
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You kids. Beep that out, Logan. It’s just a sandwich.
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My energy drinks are fine for me, not for you guys. And Oh, hey Logan. How are you doing?
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Hey, I’m doing good. Oh,
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All right.
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Logan. Logan, I’ve got
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Bought his first adult purchase besides a truck. Well, I say
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I did. What do you mean besides, he bought a gun from me a while ago too. Wait a minute.
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A gun. And I’ve got little kids that have bought guns. So go ahead. Logan owns part of a boat too. Okay. Logan owns part of a boat. Logan,
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You do the adult camp. You went in with your, but then on that,
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But this dirt bike, I think is all his, I’m not sure, did you trade this dirt? Are you like sharing the dirt bike with anybody?
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No. No. It’s all me.
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Brand new.
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Yeah, brand new is one mile on the odometer,
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I think on this very podcast within the last 30 days. Oh, Logan said he’s done being lured by us for any epic optic stuff.
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And
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Since we shut our
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Mouth and he goes out and buys from someone else, yes,
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I stuck to it.
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Yes. No, yeah, you went downtown and, and blew us out the water with just what we offer you. Well, but hey, I, and
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What I offer to, you know, dirt really hurts my feelings more than anything is any, anybody that purchases something that has wheels, I want ’em to run it by me. Just, just say, Jason, grandpa Jason, do you think this would be a good purchase? And I’d be like, yes, and I’m good. I’m good. You could go do it, but I just was, I felt a little hurt that you didn’t even run it by me.
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You know? Well, next time I’ll loop you in if you’d have known how fast this happened. There was no time for looping. Do
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You text?
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I I do text. Do
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You? Snapchat?
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Okay.
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I’ll send you a Snapchat next time. Selfie at wrong. You
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Won’t find me on Snap. But I was just wondering, I’m telling
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You, there’s no better cheerleader than Jason when it comes to
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Buying fun
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Stuff. John. Somebody else spending money.
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John was a bad cheerleader too,
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By the way.
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You guys, didn’t I tell you at lunch that I was, I was excited that Logan Yeah. Made this frivolous purchase. Yeah.
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Out on his, out on his own. Real fun without you anybody egging him on so that Yes. But now you’re mad that he didn’t, didn’t
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No, no. I just would, I think there should, you just should have a little more respect than that, Logan. And you should run some of these. Buy
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I was, I was mainly worried that if I told you what dirt bike I wanted to buy, you’d have me buy a different one. So,
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No, I’m good with that. I’ve had those Hondas CRFs,
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But I got, I got another option for you. Okay. Logan, are you ready to buy a bow? I got a couple in my office. I’ve got an Alpha X two and RX nine. I do without home sitting in there. And one of ’em had your name on it. They’re a lot cheaper than a motorcycle. We could,
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To all the listeners, we could withhold some wages to all the listeners. It sounds like there’s gonna be two bows available at the end of this podcast.
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What? What are you say that’s,
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I’m saying
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Logan, you stole me to run all things by,
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I think, I think Bronson, this is what it comes, comes down to screaming deals, is he’s not willing to buy premium gas for his dirt bike. And so I just think that’s where he is at in his budget. There’s not a budget for a bow or a broadhead or anything.
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You’re one, you’re one good archery tag away from needing one of these bows. Keep that in mind. And there’s a lot of draws about to come out, but hey, if you’re gonna pass, we’ll have to find another home for ’em then. So
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Pass, I thought, speaking of which, bro, that’s a hard pass, bro. And throw it out there.
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Well, we just did.
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All right. Anybody needs a boat calls? Yeah. Yeah.
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Just waiting for mine to show up. It hasn’t shown up yet. Yeah, I’ve got some particular,
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It’s hard to keep trying. So is yours are the one you’re
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Selling already set up? I’m not selling any. What do you mean? Oh, you mean these two or are you not selling one of your personal boats? Oh, heck no. Okay. No. Okay. These are not, no, I’m talking brand new boats. NIB Oh, brand new. I thought you were selling em. Okay. We gave them some of the giveaway. I shipped one out yesterday to our gear package winner from our last membership drive. I’ve got another one set up aside for the next membership drive.
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And Bronson, I, I’m probably out on mine. Come
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On. Hey, you, you are definitely one good archery tag away from one.
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Definitely. And I’ve definitely got a good archery tag, but I’m looking at it going, ah, then you gotta set it up. And there’s a lot of guys that really enjoy that part. He said he’s
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Got what? Huh? He
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Said he’s got one. I’ve got a really good arche archery tag. Got, huh? What do you
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Mean? What do you mean you got,
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I know I’m gonna draw potentially in one of these states that has deer with general for residents that are not general for non-residents, and that that has an archery season attached to it because of certain privileges, whatever lifetime. So credentials anyway. And I’ll probably just
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Didn’t know. I just thought we were gonna hear something real big and
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Groundbreaking. Well, maybe a dedicated a hunter in Utah. I don’t know. Alright. So anyway, moving forward, moving
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Past
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The bowls. I’m not the guy that likes setting ’em up. I, I’m just,
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There’s people that do that. We don’t set ’em up anymore. You tell ’em what you want on their bow. Here’s the site I want, here’s the rest I want.
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There is some
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You and the arrow
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Suffering that goes along with trading. It just, it is what? It’s, Ty might need one. I don’t know. Let me know. That’s
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Already been worked out.
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Okay.
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That, that’s where my quote old, that’s where your quote old bow.
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It’s a good place for the old bow old.
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And they get a 2-year-old bow. How about how that’s pretty dang good.
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You know what’s funny is sometimes there’s like, you want to use grandpa’s old gun because there’s some nostalgia. Not
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With bows. No.
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Oh, use dad’s old bow.
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Nevermind. This thing squeaks when I draw back. It needs some.
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I’m sure you dry fired it once or twice, didn’t you, dad? Anyway. Alright.
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Where, where does that leave us, John? What’s, well, before we dive in, we’re gonna do some q and a, but is there, we survived some deadlines last couple of days. These
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Heavy, we got Wyoming done. Goat, sheep, goat, moose, bison. We’ve got Idaho that’s done. Sheep, goat, moose, Montana. Done Montana’s today, right? Yeah. Yeah. It’s
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Done too. Let’s me talking about that. That’d be
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Good. What do you mean? Do you go what it took about moose selection?
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No, it, I know it’s not even exciting. I just, it’s nice to not, yeah. I don’t care what stated thing.
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It’s
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Nice to turn
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The page. Let’s, you know how there’s buyer’s remorse. You had applicant remorse.
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I wish I did before.
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Only
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Like, I wish I’d have done points only. I’m like, why? I don’t know. I just don’t wanna kill in front of them big. That’s the funny
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Animals about this office. You sit in the office and I’m sitting there just quietly minding my own business. And I hear good luck. If I was a fish today, good luck trying to get, you couldn’t throw something in front of me. Get me
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Up under the log. Yeah. I
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Couldn’t get me up from under the log, the
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Smartest bass in the pond. Throw
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The shiniest lu guy
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This
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Morning. This morning. He’s like, I’m laying under the log with a, with a chunk of power bait in my belly. That doesn’t feel right. I hit it,
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I hit it hard
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Swallow, snapped him on. I’ve got three foot liter and a treble hook hanging out my lip, garlic,
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Garlic power bait. It’s, it’s within a couple of hours and he’s hitting stuff left. And Carter
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Hit, got me to hit yesterday on
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Some last minute stuff. Well, I did, I was thinking, you know, don’t need to Wyoming about it. Why would, why wouldn’t we do a, a random tag there? Yeah, I know. For, for
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No less. Such a, such a
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Dead moose, but not sheep.
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How many decimal points do we have to put below 1%? How many decimal points below 1%
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Before it really matters. I don’t know. When you hit a couple of them, isn’t that enough?
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That’s in the thousands.
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I look at Nevada odds and it makes me laugh. I’d like to portray ’em some other way. But what are you gonna say? One in 14,000? No, it’s not that bad. Anyway, kind of fun. Yeah. So here we are dealing with deadlines left and right and, and we’ve got Nevada coming up as well. May 7th. So some Montana sheep, goat, moose, bison that’s over with by the time y’all hear this. And then Nevada May 7th, Oregon May 15th. I know Adam’s super excited about that.
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I haven’t applied there for about, let me do the math. Carry the wand. 18 years.
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Okay. I’ve been Washington again. Adam’s super excited about it. May 28th about Tana Antelope. Adam, June one, Iowa. That would be more along my lines. Of course you’ve hunted it too. And on down the chain, Wyoming deer, antelope, things like that. All right. Where’s that bring us Bronson, take us to the next subject. I don’t know.
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John, did you want to
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Talk about the emag? Yeah,
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They’re
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Up. So just just let you know, June, July, EMAG is live, ma emag is live. So all that information’s out there for members. You can go click on it now. There’s quite a delay, you know, for the time the printer gets it and the, the government, you know, takes care of delivery. John,
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You, you, the way you say government, I love it. Well, you’re dealing with some postage stuff. We are not sure which account it’s pulling from 14 layers later. Anyway, keep going. Yeah, so we were, we were talking about some mean bags. So we jammed a couple magazines together. That’s what we do. We jammed May and then June May would’ve been covered. Arizona, sheep, deer and bison, Wyoming deer antelope, Washington sheep, goat, moose, Adams, fave, and Iowa. So anyway, cram those together, cranking ’em. It’s a good, good couple weeks to get rid of right
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There. Oh, they’re
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Rough with, you know how good it feels right now. Anyway, they’re cranking. We’re and, and we’re right in the middle of it too, so I don’t wanna make too light of it. It is a nice weather out there though. We’re excited about that. And then we cranked out June, Bronson, June and July. We covered Idaho, elk, deer, antelope, as well as another one. Adam’s favorites. California talk. Let’s talk about the,
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Everyone that he says a favorite. I don’t even haven’t ever applied in
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Who wrote California.
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Tells it have to be my favorite.
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Alright,
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We got a 250 on the front cover from Idaho. It just goes to show you Idaho’s like one of my favorite states when it comes to genetics. Yeah. It would be nice to kind of get outta this era of winter loss. Winter
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Loss
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In last and drought in some units.
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Yeah. And over the last seven to 10 years. Yeah. And then I think we’re, they’re porpoising, we’re moving, we’re moving in the right direction.
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Yeah. Yeah. I dunno, this two 50, it’s like almost hard to believe it’s from 2024 like that. They still grow like that. Yeah.
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Yeah. It is. You know, and this guy, we don’t see him every day. This Tyler, he awesome guy obviously does incredible photography work, has live shots of this deer. It’s like, yeah. Tyler Peak, I dunno. It kind of, yeah, it kind of feels like you’re in a national park. It’s just, I mean, it’s like, it’s beautiful. It’s like he’s 50 yards, which he’s not. He just has incredible equipment. Imagine
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His live image of it. Imagine
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Seeing that deer when he, about right now, this time last year when he had six inch just shank and five inch I guards. Yes.
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I mean, geez, guy I guards. Unbelievable. No joke.
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Yeah.
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Genetics in Idaho are no joke. You know, age class could use a little help. And of course we’re fighting, you know, here in Utah too, to continue trying to keep some kind of an age class throughout different populations. But anyway, that’s obviously we’ve been, we’ve beat, beat that one. Maybe
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That’s for the next
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Podcast. Yeah. So, but John King, y John, how’s the trapping escapade going?
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The, the trapping is going good. I don’t know if we’ve even talked about, have
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We talked about John’s now become a trapper with
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This, this all started, how did this start? The, the price of eggs started this now. Yes. So the price of of eggs. The price of eggs. So then what did you do?
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So
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Price of eggs caused John to quit buying premium gas. No,
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We
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Had, so we had, we had, yeah, we had some neighbors that are, they’re old, very elderly. Right. And they were selling their house. They were gonna move back Wow. Back Midwest to be closer to family. And they had chickens and they’re already late. You know, they’re laying already. That’s, that’s that’s a, that was a gift. Yeah. So you could have some of my chickens. So my wife was like, Hey, there’s a couple that lay it would, you know, let’s, let’s see if they want to get rid of their chickens. Well, I mean, typically they were desperate to get rid of their chickens. Right. They were. So Yeah. ’cause they had to move. Yeah. And had a deadline and nowhere for these guys to go. I know how to get rid of chickens. Yes. But they they do really well up the canyon. They’re good layers.
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They’re also not, nobody’s attached to ’em. Mike Thero dog or cat. They’re not moving with it. No. So, no. So anyway, they peck your eyes out anyway. If you, if you passed out and laid on the ground, they pick your eyes out. IFA hatches new chickens every day. Yeah. Josh, you got chickens. Yeah. You’re a chicken breeder. I am. Yeah. I feel like I’m the minority, don’t you, Logan? My family has chickens, so I get, well, I’m the only one here. Hey, they, and I have to pay, they’ve fed our family for years. It’s the only quote unquote pet that’s ever done anything for me. I mean, I used to have a black lab that would get some docs. You, so John, so you, this is a good point. You filed adoption papers to Doc. Yep. We took them. I mean, but the, the whole process just dealing sometime.
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Okay, I’m getting older. Right. But sometimes we deal with really old people. They’re just quirky and funny. Well, we’re getting together and did they wanna make sure they were going to a good home? Well, did they interview you? No. So, I mean, we’re neighbors so he knows me and, and whatnot. You guys are the quirky open, just looking. We know. We know. Go ahead. As I put on my readers daily, whatcha talking Logan? So, I mean, just the whole process to get, so I offered him a couple hundred bucks. Just how many chickens? Mostly. There were eight chickens that do the math on that. No, it, it wasn’t a good lemme do. It was more like they were kind of in a spot and, and leaving and having to, you know, leave their home. So it was just to expedite. And I got the coop.
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Right. Wow. That’s a big deal. Was it a movable co kind of, you need the forks and the skid. It was kind of movable. Like he thought it, he thought it would be movable. No. Okay. So he insisted what? That he had this little tractor. Oh, I’m talking like, you know, one of the little John Deeres no bigger than Mike, a riding mower, but 27 horsepower three times as big probably, you know, or maybe it’s a small, it’s like a 25 full size. It’s probably like Cox. Yeah. It could do some things. Like it’s, yeah. But this thing, he, he’d built it out of two by fours and and OSB board. And it was heavy, heavy, heavy. And he starts to try to, he, he like put forks under it and he starts to try to lift it, lift it, the back of the tractor comes the back into the tractor, goes up, come on on. So Max, my 18-year-old son and I, he had to sit on the back. We jumped on the back to try to still, it was gonna pull that tractor over, could not offset the weight. So like for two days I’m like, look, I’m just gonna take it apart so it, I can put it back together. And I just knew like, we’re gonna get this thing, it’s gonna be all over the road. All over the hill.
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You had to move it a block or two
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Type thing? No, just like three houses down. Oh,
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Okay.
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But he’s,
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He’s jumping curb stuff.
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He’s above me on the hill. Yeah, right. Well we, I take enough of it apart that he can get it up, but the back wheels are still slightly off the ground. Oh. And so, my god, with both of us on
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There and going downhill. Yeah, it
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Could, it could get enough traction to go forward.
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It could get enough traction. But once we started going down the hill,
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Oh, the back end came
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Up. He had no breaks. Why?
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Why did you not invite us to? He had no breaks. I mean, where were we?
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It was so crazy. So Max and I are leaning, not just standing on the back, we’re like hanging, dragging on with one hand, putting the rest of our body out for weight. Like as much as possible. My gosh. And he can’t slow down and it’s just skidding, you know. Oh my gosh. Little. So we start like kind of jumping so the brakes would hit like every three feet, feet.
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Hold the bucket down, put it on the ground.
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It was so sketchy. I was like, this, this chicken coop is gonna be all over the road. Like, there’s just no way we’re getting it down there. Wow. Anyway, so, but you know, little by little it would, it would break and break and so sketchy. I know how this
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Ends because John’s been looking for bedding material.
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I know. Material.
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I had no idea the backstory of what we teed up for. Yeah. I didn’t either. The trapping project. But this is a lot of backstory.
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So you get in
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Fox, the fox trapper
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Extraordinaire anyway, and then we get, we
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We, how many nights did they spend? Un un molested.
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I’ve had ’em for probably six months or whatever. Oh really? Yeah. Yeah. I’ve had ’em for a while. So this
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Happened, we didn’t even know about, so yeah.
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When did the break in start happening?
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Oh, so then we had the fox incident where the fox got one of the chickens and killed it. Anyway,
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They’re not gonna coming. They now they know.
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So then I’m like, okay, I, I gotta trap ’em. But, and so I went down and I got But you live in
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A neighborhood with, with but kind of in a
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Rural setting, like on the edge of like the mountains. So rural setting. Yeah. But we’ve got neighbors that are close and dogs and all that. So I went to IFA and bought some foot traps and you know, I was gonna put out the foot traps and Wow. That’s aggressive.
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John. I have probably, I just, 80 of ’em
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Just so you know. Put I got, they also
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Have my number
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Don’t, and a number three
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Trap number in anywhere near up there.
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The
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Number three’s gonna break the dog’s legs. So,
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So I was just looking at him on the seat next to me driving home and I’m like, ah, just neighbor’s dog’s gonna get him or something. And I So you
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Drove him back be
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Hated. No. So I still got ’em. But anyway,
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They got spacers.
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So instead I, I got this giant live trap and it’s, it’s almost, well, a little bit smaller than the table. So, which
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Is, which is five feet, which
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Is five feet by two and a half feet. This gets
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Fit. A small, a black
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Bear. I could get inside it no
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Easily. Yeah. Two people could get in there. It’s big. Have a picnic. Okay.
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We’re
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Gonna change this to the Epic Outdoors and Hunting and Trapping podcast.
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Yeah. So anyway, but long story short, I just, I wanted to make sure that I was legal. So I went down to the DWR office and, and they tried to
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Encourage you to, to don’t worry about
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It. Yeah. Well
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I’m sure it’s a rad
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One. Yeah. They were just, you know, sure that it wasn’t a fox in the rural area and whatnot. But the next day, the day I brought him a fox,
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There’s not, there’s
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Not a gray fox living No. On a rock hillside in southern Utah.
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Yeah. So anyway, somehow
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That was,
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I took it, took it to ’em and they they relocated
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It. Identity. Yeah.
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They were like, oh, it’s not a red fox
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Expanded the species distribution map.
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They were like, what do I do with it? Well, drowning works really well.
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This is a this is a fur bearer.
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Yeah. But I didn’t, anyway, I didn’t wanna take any chances. So Yeah.
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And then some other,
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Let them take care of it. Some
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Other vermin have crept in and out a
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Different Yep. So I caught two of those. And then
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Two Gray Fox, now you’ve
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Got Fox and your, everything’s fine.
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But you, you took it, you took the time out. And then we’ve, we’ve got a fair share of neighborhood cats had multiple nights in a row. Neighborhood cats. And anyway, but then
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We’re waiting for Mountain Lion. Yeah. We,
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Yeah, we’re waiting for, we get, Billy’s had, I mean, max recorded video of, I mean it’s just the audio ’cause it’s dark, but the same, you know, growling that
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We’ve had
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On prior that we’ve had on prior podcast. That sounds really close to other Mountain lion video that we’ve,
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We’ve, I want, I just want the call
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So when
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That gets in that live Yeah,
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We we’re, we’re actively
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Pretty
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You mean when one gets into the chicken food?
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Oh, I just, no, it’s in the live trapp. I got a problem.
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I go I thought we wanted to record that so we could go out, have fun and calling in the new little puppies.
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No, I just wanna see what that thing does to that live trap and how far down you’re down the back.
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I don’t know that it’ll hold it, but I’ve re I’ve reinforced it quite substantially
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Be it’s gonna be, I just
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Wanna see it. So anyway, we’ll see. But I told, I told my son if we got a mountain lion, don’t go out there. No. Like the cage is not gonna hold it if it’s in it, so, oh. Anyway.
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Fun yearling or something. It might, might be, but we’ll see.
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Very good.
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Very good.
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All for a couple eggs, huh? Yeah.
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Yeah. Hey of an
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Eggs are expensive right now.
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I I could have bought a few dozen eggs with the drop drops.
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$140 in fuel going unfortunately DWR
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Relocating projects.
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All right,
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Let’s move along. Where are we at, John? I, when I was turning it over to you, I thought you were gonna go down the roads of optics and tripods.
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Oh, what do you think? Yeah, Josh. Josh. And just let’s
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Turn it over to you, Josh. I’m afraid I don’t know where John’s gonna take it.
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It’s exciting because we’ve just been been getting,
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Speaking in a neighborhood cougar’s
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Story after box. Oh no.
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Okay. Okay. Logan, what, where were we at? On,
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Alright,
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Go ahead.
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We can’t pass that story up. John.
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What, what do you, what do you need John? From
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Me? No, the neighborhood cougar story. No, no. We’ve just been getting box and box after box the last couple days. So it’s kind of exciting. We’ve got some, some inventory on some stuff that’s been either new released or harder to get anyway. Pretty. Yeah.
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Yeah. So we, we just got our tripods all back in stock. You guys probably know we talked about it a little bit. We upgraded with size as well. That’s a little bit bigger. Still very easily to pack, but it goes, goes well with some of your bigger optics in the truck side by side, something like that. But we all have our, our, our quick release head on there. So I love that.
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And the guys that are, that are getting them and they’re trying ’em out. I’ve had them hit me specifically. They like it. Yeah. Really? Do they? Yeah, they like it. Yeah,
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It’s pretty slick. It’s pretty easy. It’s, it’s really nice. So they’re, they’re great tripods. We’re really impressed with them. And for the price that, you know, you, I wouldn’t compare it a lot of similar other tripods and such. And for the price, for the quality that they are, you’re not gonna get a better one. So definitely look into those.
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I I would say it’s, it’s the best fluid head on the market for sure. And one of the reasons is we’ve really focused on that. I mean, a lot of, we put a year into development of just the fluidity of the head. So Yeah. And we do a lot of videoing and a lot of phone scope out of the, the, you know, out of a spotting scope. And one of my huge biggest pet peeves is just, you get a deer in there, it stands up, it walks tens feet, 10 feet and beds down again. And you’re trying to video it and move and find it. And it, you know, there’s too much tension and it jumps and then it’s just not fluid. Yeah. And man, I think we just, we nailed it on the, on the fluidity on that. So that’s, I’m really excited about how well that is.
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And then the quick release, you don’t, you don’t realize how awesome it is until you’re glassing. And I don’t know if everybody glasses like I do, but it’s back and forth between a spotter and, and monoculars constantly. Yeah. I see anything with the binos. I don’t, I don’t study it for hours in my binos. Yeah. I put the spotting scope on immediately. So right now to switch between binos and a spotting scope, it’s one lever. Boom, boom, you’re, you’re a second and a half really cool. And you’re switched, everything’s still lined up. You know, if you’re not crooked and you’re, and you’re straight, very cool. You know, it’s just bam bam. And it’s awesome. And then
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There’s a couple other little tweaks that you guys did. Obviously you guys, you guys are kind of RD department, but anyway, what within centimeters of just a little bit of lengthening on the different legs and things like that. Yeah. On the new, let’s call it the new model. But basically it’s identical. You
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Just, we just get a little more height out slightly the same pack ability and we’re still under four pounds. Yeah. And so it’s
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Extremely light. Very slight tweaks. Yeah.
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Very slight tweaks that
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Just match with the exception of the quick release, which is a significant change.
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Yeah. It is significant. Yeah. So
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Yeah, it’s awesome. So if you’re gonna, if you’re gonna get a tag and needing a new tripod, whatever, look, look for ours first before you go anywhere else. You won’t be, you won’t be upset about that. We, I mean we’ve had zero complaints. We’ve sold a pile of ’em. So Yeah, don’t, don’t really wait on gear right now. If it’s something you, you think you need or you’re gonna want or need, just, just get it and it’ll be well worth, worth your time to do that.
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And I’m just gonna tell you, you need this tripod. It’s yeah, you, it’s bad a
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Yep. You do
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So well the
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Thing, you probably need one of each
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Three tripod. You do. And, and you know, it goes back to when I told you guys, I want the absolute best money come by. Like when it comes to tripods, you’re gonna buy one very often. Yeah. And I just feel like it’s priced that that would make me question, if this is the best on the market, it’s cheap in my mind. It’s cheap for what it is. Yeah. And so then you’re like, man, I don’t know if this is gonna compare to X, Y, Z. It’s price must be cheap. No, we can buy, literally I can buy anything I want. Willing to pay for an, an expensive tripod. If it was better, I would buy it. And I’m just saying it’s not, you know,
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And a cheaper, we cut out one or two steps of Yeah. Of wholesale to retail. Yeah. Pricing is what we do and
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We’re willing to buy whatever it is. That’s the absolute best. Yep. So anyway, enough of that. We’re, let’s crank right along. I got questions. Okay. Before we do that, there’s a board meeting going on today. Right. And so we’ve also talked,
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I they finished before March.
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It was fast. The fastest one I’ve ever seen in my life
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In Utah. Yes. Okay, let’s talk about that one and then let’s revert back to the Wyoming and some of the tag quotas or whatever. And then let’s dive into these questions. Utah was kind of uneventful. Yeah.
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Logan, other than Logan’s unit.
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Logan, you guys spoke up at the rack and you were Beaver east, beaver west? We
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Were, yeah. Were overall reduced that, that was, that sentiment was loudly heard at the southern region rack. Yeah, they did great as well as the division then I guess called maybe reconsidered some things and brought a, a amended proposal to the wildlife board today. And tag numbers were reduced. Other than that, I don’t
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Know
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Of anything monumental
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As
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Proposed once in a lifetime. Elk was antelope. Who knows Jason, you would know. But I,
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I don’t, I mean I, I’ve got some antelope plans but they’re not in Utah.
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So Yeah. It was generally not too hotly contested this year. Guess that’s the best way to put it. So, okay. But it’s over with. And so that means, you know, I guess now they can
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Go
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Forward, send that stuff to the draw company and the results will be out by the 15th. I think
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If you looked at draw, if you looked at some of the draw totals and permit numbers and all that stuff before, I don’t think there was anything that was changed. No, we talked about those. Beaver general. General deer. Yeah. So, but other than that like limited entry once
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A mean, there was a lot changed earlier. But as far as proposals till what was ratified, no.
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Yeah. Yeah. If you saw the proposals and saw a tag gonna have an increase and give a max point tag or another max point tag, a lot of the sheep that we’ve talked about,
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Whatever was
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Proposed. Yeah. Desert sheep, you know, non-resident tags for all the once in lifetimes for max point holders, those types of things. That grouping
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Of skews a little bit for the non-resident loading, non-resident tags. So there’s max point tags and random tags, bison, things like that that happened. All right. And then the
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Wyoming elk, you know, was probably, we got, you know, what is it till May 8th You can Yeah.
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Amen.
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An application. There was, there was a lot, there was a lot more proposed than what actually got passed. So you might want to go look, look at that online. They’ve got their amended, I guess their finalized re regulations on there. Of course for antelope and deer. Those are out. You don’t, you, you have till June 2nd to apply for those. Yeah. So if you see something on there that maybe changes your mind, you know, we went, when we went to print with that, we had to go with proposed numbers for deer and antelope. When we went to to print with the May magazine. They were just proposed at the time. They got ratified on the 22nd, 23rd of April. There were a few adjustments there. Definitely some on elk. But anyway, now you can’t really change anything on elk in regard to regular and special. But you could change your unit selection if you want. Or you can still withdraw it. Yeah. If you want. If you’re like, hey got too much. Pull it out.
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Yep. And so anyway. Yeah. All all of that. So, yep. The sheep, I mean obviously random and five moose, 25, 26, 38, all of that has random. So anyway, it was good. Be
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Interesting to see who draws it. We’re gonna have have those results in about a week.
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That’s
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Right.
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We also have cranked out our epic membership drive world class hunts. Yeah. Like crazy giving away Mexico desert, the Moose grizzly combo and Akima, elk, Nevada. Elk, Nevada, mul Deer, Alberta White tail, which I went on this hunt last year, not the exact week. I went one week prior. But same outfitter, same experience. Just incredible. It was awesome. And Alberta Wolf hunt for two hunters as well as a, as a $15,000 gear prize. $15,000 hunt credit. I mean there’s a lot going on in his
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All to give away before June 23rd. And here it is. May 1st just basically announcing
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This time is lying. Yeah. Basically announcing maybe it’s not gonna be long Bronson. And we’re gonna be in a pine box
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It Phil Logan every day.
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Cut that. No, no, leave it in. Jeez. Pine box dictate what you do in life.
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Are you talking about a box plane somewhere? That’s what I just thought he was going. Are are you talking about six feet under? That’s what I, what are we talking about? What
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I don’t know. Just depends on how you take care of your body. Well you just gotta be grateful for the time you have here. Yes. All right. So moving right along. Be grateful Bronson. Question reader guy. Okay, let’s go along Amy, just some of these questions overt the time
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Of guys peak because some of you guys, when you peak, you have, I like to spur. I like the initial thoughts when I read these from you guys. Not a premeditated answer. Okay. So we’re gonna try to finish up most of these. Josh. We are gonna have to do another one next week. Find Josh. Oh, there’ll be some Josh. Josh’s
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Responses are epic. Yeah.
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Okay. Well
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I’ve been chasing cougars in the woods.
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So here we go. Here’s one. I’ve got one for Josh in a minute ’cause Josh will definitely have an answer to this next one. But let’s, let’s talk about, there’s a question that come in. How do you guys decide what season to apply for? Does your schedule or weather affect that, you know, season, I’m assuming earlier, later, maybe even weapon type? I, I don’t, I don’t know what that’s necessarily referring to, but my schedule usually dictates that. Yeah. You know, archery, we all know usually you better plan on more scouting and more time for that. And so for whether it be deer, elk, that’s an early season, you know, August, early September, some years for whatever reason, you know, whether it be me or a family member, I think’s gonna draw something in there. I’ll end up maybe bumping something if I feel like I have the points to force the draw, bump it to a rifle tag that year because of my schedule. Whether or the moon, you know, I guess you’d lump all that in. Sometimes that has an impact. But it’s my, it’s my personal schedule or what my think might kids are gonna,
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I think. I think also a little something that plays into it and I listen to you tell me this basically without telling me is when you were looking at Amening year Nevada and you were like, oh do I really, is it really ripe enough for me to want this this bad? And that would dictate like what seasons you’re willing to do. You know what I mean too? And so like if we want it really bad, this, there is no question this is the best year we’ve ever seen for Deere in Nevada for example. You would be doing the most aggressive application strategy possible. Yeah. Versus, oh I only want the two best.
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Gimme
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Anything.
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Yes, gimme, there are some years we apply that way. Some years don’t feel that way in general. I would say this year’s maybe not that kind of year that give me any tag
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Feels like a good solid average or something. Yeah. You know,
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You know, and there’s kind of a question a couple down from this one. Nielsen lance, well no, sorry, wrong one. Ethan Schu. Ethan do Schu is less, more when it comes to the number of tags you have a year. And I would less, more my more, my answer would be less is more. Unless it’s one of those years we’re just talking about then, then give me everything. ’cause it’s, I can make ’em all work pretty good, but
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Less is more. That’s the problem. Yeah. I’ve personally had when I was young or
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Like, what, three years
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Ago?
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No,
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Like 5, 10, 15, 20 years when if I had one tag, I made the absolute max out of it. Yeah. You know what I mean? And now it’s like you get a little bit older, you’ve got some points General you can command some draws, get some
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Generals in generals in Arizona and generals in Utah and then add, you might even
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Buy an Anor attack and then pretty soon here I am, I’m so tag rich and I’m like, and I have less time than I had when I was then when I was young. You know what I mean? Yeah. And so anyway, I think less is more. I think you keep it in mind and keep that focus of I’m gonna make this the best ever and do one or two or or something like that within a particular species. And then if you dry elk cage, dry antelope, kill ’em all, whatever. I
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Think there’s truth to that. And especially when things, whether it be post winter kill in a few states which has occurred and you know, kind of post drought in a few states, which has occurred, it’s tougher everywhere right now we’ve set it till we’re blue in the face. How tough it is to kill, find and kill big mulder right now. So giving yourself four or five big mulder tags might, you might say, hey, it gives me the chance to kill one. But you’re probably spinning your wheels to kill one good one is if you had one or two decent to good techs. Yeah, I, I would say. But you get in one of those grooves like we had back, you know, let’s call it 2017 19. Give me just everything I could have
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2019. I wouldn’t have left Nevada. Yeah.
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You would’ve figured
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Out how to to
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Get more mortgage motorcycles sold stuff that you needed to buy more landlord tags or something just for that year. Yeah,
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I’d have sold some things. Yeah. I’d have sold bows and grandpa’s guns and whatever. I think,
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I think something that a lot of times gets overlooked by a lot of guys. Especially just, you know, last week with that Utah deadline talked to a lot of guys about that. There’s not all units or every hunt on every unit is considered equal either. Yeah. A lot of guys, there’s some units in Utah that actually the archery or the muzzle or hunt might be better. Or there’s some of our elk units that a late rifle is actually one of the best units on the, or best hunts on the unit. And and a guy’s surprised to hear that. What? No way. I hadn’t even thought about that. I had the points ’cause they wanted to do something else and you’re like, no, this is actually, and you could draw this. And they’re like, geez, I really wanted to go but I didn’t, you know, you just don’t think that, oh, maybe a November rifle hunt is actually the best you hunt on the unit point. So that’s why something
00:34:28:04 –> 00:34:30:06
And that’s counterintuitive with elk. Yes.
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You know, you just think the ruts when you hunt ’em. Yeah. But there, there are units that load up in November from neighboring units that, that has, I don’t know, half you and our both biologist there in the past. Yeah. But there’s like Mount Dutton or Yeah. Or some other Beaver three have a bunch of big birds. You can hunt ’em. You can hunt that unit late. Yep.
00:34:48:21 –> 00:35:04:17
Three units fill into this other one for later. Or I dunno, there’s certain parts of some of our general seasoned deer units or whatever that there’s portions of those units that’ll actually be vacant of deer. Yes. By the rifle hunt. Yes. And so you’re like actually the archery hunt, if you’re gonna want to come hunt certain parts of this unit or whatever, actually
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Better.
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Better. Yeah. Because there’s twice as many deer there, or deer in general. Whereas you come in a late rifle, there’s not a single deer there.
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That’s a good, good point. So having,
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Very good point having, or like even Zion has, let’s just take Zion
00:35:15:13 –> 00:35:16:03
So much private. Yeah. Land
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That what,
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There’s so much private land the early, yeah.
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There’s a national park and the national park is then surrounded by private. You
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Want a little bit later when you can hunt these bucks or, or if you were a big landowner than great, you’d go early.
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Right? But for most of the average guy, like they just look and say, oh, I can draw the, because the Zion was one I talked about, you know, guys say, Hey, I could draw the Zion. I’m like, all right, it would be good. But actually you, you want to do it later. And then also you need to be aware that if you do do it later there’s, there’s gonna be a little bit pressure because
00:35:40:23 –> 00:35:41:23
Laws, laws of concentrated
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People, those bucks go down. So you can hunt them. You can hunt ’em. But that’s where, where the people go. So I think having a service like ours, because trying to figure all that stuff on your own or look, you’re not gonna find it in a guidebook or you’re gonna try and look on a state hunt planner. You can’t do it for everything. No to to to have the ability to give us a call and say, Hey, let me run this by you or something. We could probably throw out some ideas that you didn’t even know you had. And then next thing you know, you got a tag in your pocket from some of that. So I think some of that who say that a lot, especially a lot of guys think, say that Henry Mountains deer tag, you know, oh, rifle deer tag on the Henrys would be amazing. Well actually a lot of the bucks could be dead by by the time you get there. I would, yeah. So if you’re just rifle hunter, then yeah, it’s a great option. But if you have the ability to hunt a muzzle loader or archery or something, you may want consider that and you could run into a little better draw. It’s too, because not everybody’s just sitting there waiting for, for a rifle tag. So those are some things that I tend to look at when I look at some units and such.
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Yeah, I think it’s great. I think those are great valid points. And I think we do take in a lot of information ourselves. We’ve been alive for a long time. Huh, Logan. We’re old. So anyway, we, we do take, we do have a lot of information and and personal experience, but we also take in a lot of information from membership who come back
00:36:59:06 –> 00:37:46:25
Are well versed. Good feedback. The, a good feedback about their hunting and that’s true. Yeah. Across every state. There’s stuff that shines in the mule deer world, early, early seasons and stuff that shines late and it’s vice versa. You know, good late, not good early or vice versa. Colorado, you have units like that too. Anyway, good point. Along with that last question may be regarding some of these dates, there’s a question that says about the muzzle loader hunt in Nevada, since Nevada is open still for another week. Question is for Nelson Lance, do you, do you think the muzzle loader tag in a Nevada is a good hunt? I’m assuming he’s talking mule deer may. Maybe he’s talking elk. We can lightly talk about that. But you know, there’s so many more mule deer muzzle loader hunts than there or elk. There are, and I’m assuming maybe he’s referring to that September 10 to October four. That’s
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Generally
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It’s a good, that’s where I love 90% of the standard. It’s a good hunt. I love that hunt. If you can deal with the open site muzzle loaders
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Generally a good, generally there’s less tags on that season than the archery. Even
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Archery.
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Yeah. It’s crazy. Now the late rifles on a few, 1 31, 2 21, whatever. There’s a yeah, there’s a lot less tags there. But if, but that muzzle is kind of special. Yeah. A you can kill ’em. You do. It’s an open sight state. But, but you can still kill ’em. They’re in a summer pattern early enough goes for basically just under a month. I mean, what else does that, I love the season. There’s so many good things about just like the RK about that season. Yep.
00:38:23:18 –> 00:38:29:21
Low tag numbers before you archers. Don’t kill that many of them. Then you get a month to have your fun. Some,
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Some of those bucks are still in like a summer sub pattern.
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They totally are.
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They’re already coming out of velvet, but they’re still bachelors are in that same routine. So any scouting you do that you do in the summer or trail camera running, you can do in catch bucks. They’re gonna be in the same spots. Even
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Now jumping over to elk, like what you brought up, you know, maybe, maybe you mentioned elk or elk is good too. We never give it enough credit. I think
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It’s that late October.
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It’s before the rifle
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Hunt. Yeah, it’s before the rifle. It’s not really ru hump. How many years do we talk to people? I think it’s like October 22nd or something like that. There’s sometimes hunting bugle bulls still. It’s crazy. You don’t naturally think that. But some units, they’re like, holy cow. They
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Go crazy. That’s not think what happens when there’s in low states. Low pressure.
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Low pressure. They just goes
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Back to Colorado. These deer wanna rut and, and if there’s low pressure, like say a unit 10 in Colorado, they’ll rut earlier
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In the second season.
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Yeah, yeah. Earlier than other states. So anyway, I agree. I I think that can, that’s an underutilized,
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If you can deal the
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Open season and you look at the odds and you could say, well that’s not really a sacred Yeah.
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They’re bad odds.
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Bad odds no matter what. And odds again, have applicants and tag numbers make up the odds. And tag numbers are brutal, but a great option. One of your five picks we great. One of your five picks and your hunting number for all the bulls are dead. And you know what’s interesting, the late rifle, you ought always think, man, I’m the last guy on the unit as a late rifle for elk. Here we are on a whole different subject. He was talking about
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What’s your weather like, you know, late
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November. Well it’s okay, it’s cold. Well, I mean you’re talking electric
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Vests, negatives and
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Maybe heater bodysuits. Yeah. You know, it’s, it’s brutal. But having said all that, there’s giants that killed on the very last season. It’s, it’s unique. Some of the best bulls will be killed on the very last season and say it’s a 2 21 to 2 23, 2 31 or one 11 to one 15. So anyway, pr pretty interesting on that. Yeah. So any season you can get a tag for elk. You should be doing it. You should. So,
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Yep.
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All
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Right. Okay. Here’s a, we’re deviating it. Here’s a little fun one. I’m, I’m trying to tee this up for Josh and Logan. I like it because, and maybe John I like it, but not me and Jason. But I mean, I did, you’re gonna know, want to ask you why I say this, but this is a question. I don’t even know who said it. This could have been Logan. You could have planted this on here. I don’t know. Probably doesn’t even have a name. It says, what is the wildest thing or person. This is gonna get weird if you, you know, or person you saw at the 2025 Utah Hunt Expo. The craziest thing, the
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Strangest person was cash for sure. By far. What do you mean?
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You
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The person
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Have this love-hate relationship.
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There’s no love. It’s
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Just hate. I mean, you guys walk into each other’s office and go, you’re ugly. You’re, you’re stupid, not
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Wife. Yeah. Today he asked me how my suspension on my truck was doing on the left side because I’m so fat. I’m gonna break it when I hop in. Geez. Yeah, he’s got some good ones. But he, Josh,
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You guys were there a little longer and set up period. There’s a reason I said that John, maybe at some point during setup and, and, and all the time I didn’t leave the booth. Literally. That’s so what I didn’t, I can’t think of anything crazy or wild that I saw a person. I do know a guy in St. George. We all know him. Some of his outfits. Gold suit. You know, Trevor, it’s,
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It’s pretty hard. You
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Don’t Davenport, even
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When we get the early set and stuff, you just don’t leave that 50 foot spot. Yeah, no. Like I remember we did eight miles one day, eight
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Miles on my Apple watch in a 50 foot booth. You guys are really setting up. Oh yeah. You’re serious. Serious. That’s
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Possible. Yeah. It’s on those two setup days. Yeah. It’s insane. Oh, ’cause you’re just walking back and
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Forth and back. Logan, did you think of something loaded? Loaded? I
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Did. Logan, I don’t know if this counts as in the expo. ’cause I was walking outta the expo doors except, okay, it’s, it, I was, I was at the hunt convention and I’m walking outta the doors and me and Josh were about to go get dinner and I see this 20 2005 ish, 1500 Silverado
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2, 20, 25 or
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2005, 2005, sorry, 2005. Older Silverado jacked up, pin out probably. And it is flying down that road right in front of the expert where it’s got the state street where it’s got the thing that dips down into the parking garage.
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That’s,
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I kid you not, he’s going easily 50 or more miles an hour driving like he stole it. Which in hindsight he probably did. And he loses control of that thing and clips that metal rail that guards the thing going down into it and just destroys the truck. And the guy at the hotel I was staying at runs out and is like standing next to his window and said, I’m gonna call the cops. You gotta stop. You gotta stop. And the dude inside the truck is just freaking out, jerking his wheel back and forth, going back, going forward. Finally he realizes he can’t get it off the rails and just run, gets out the truck. The hotel guy is on the phone with the cops and you can hear the sirens coming down the street. And that dude gets out, books it 50 yards. And then he gets into a crowd of people and me and two other guys, including the guy on the phone with the cops are just walking with him probably 20, 30 yards behind him. You’re
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Walking with the guy that dropped the rest.
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Yeah, I was right there. I, I thought I was gonna be a witness because I seriously watched the whole thing happen from, and so I’m just following the guy and this other guy’s on the phone with the cops. He’s looking,
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You giving the eye like, hey, we gotta stay with this guy, guy type thing.
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Yeah. And so me and two other guys, you’re
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Now a, what do they call that? Citizens arrest type. That’s right. Volunteer.
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He was like two foot long. Like he would, he would’ve taken Josh down in a heartbeat. So What do you mean he’s a big guy? He was big and
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Scary. That’s saying something. Oh, nobody’s taking down my vik. Nobody. Oh, whoa, whoa. So
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Yeah. Anyway, he, he books it ahead of us. He gets in this crowd of people, he puts his hood on and he puts his hand in his pockets and he’s just s sneaking away. He goes across the road just walking all casual. The cops get there and put him down on his knees and handcuff him and toss him in the back. How
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Did they find him?
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We were following him the whole time. The guy was lower.
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Put you the guy.
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I wasn’t pointing just in case witness protection, but the
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Guy was pretty legit. He’s done this before.
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Yeah, no, he was cool as a cucumber walking across the road just like nobody would notice. And the guy on the phone was saying, Hey, he just crossed State Street, he’s at the train station and they grabbed him this, they grabbed him at that train station. Yeah.
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Down further to the north.
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Yeah. Yep. And arrested him, chucked him in the, chucked him in the cop car and interviewed the guy that was on the phone. I asked, I was like, can I go? And he’s like, were you, were you guys together when it happened? I said, yeah, we saw the same thing. He’s like, yeah, you’re good. So I went and got Josh and we got dinner. Were
00:44:53:22 –> 00:44:54:19
You there? Josh? That’s poor
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Investigative. Investigative was waiting. I would’ve wanted his statement too.
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Yeah, I know. That’s kinda what I thought. I was waiting, I could see all the, I walked out ’cause we were staying in different hotels and so I walked out ’cause I was supposed to meet him. ’cause he’s like, I am leaving right now. And I’m sitting out in front. It’s a
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Two minute walk.
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Adam, you and I were working in the booth.
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I don’t know where I was.
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We were in the booth.
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No, when was this? I might’ve been asleep by then. Holy
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Cow. So this is an hour and a half or so later when I came back, he totally totaled that truck. It is destroyed.
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It’s got a bumper. Dude, that’s
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A, it was a trick out.
00:45:21:19 –> 00:45:22:27
That was a ranch hand bumper. That’s
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Why we were thinking he stole it. Because it looked like a truck. Was the
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It was the night, night before the expo started. It was one of the seven nights wasn’t it was.
00:45:29:02 –> 00:45:29:23
Oh, it could have
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Been. I think it was like one of the setup nights. He
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Definitely smoked Wednesday. Yeah, it, it was night.
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Oh, okay. Well on there you go. That answers that question. I
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Dunno, I
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Can’t, that’s the craziest.
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I can’t top it. I mean, you got Corey Whitaker, you know, honorary, shout out to him. He’s dressed up in a monkey suit driving a unicycle. Corey Whitaker. Oh really? Oh yeah. Just giving out flowers. I, anyway. Yeah. Is that Megan’s husband? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. He was in, I didn’t know who it was. And then that’s, then I found out later. Oh yeah, that was, I mean that, that’s good dude. Dude,
00:45:59:23 –> 00:46:00:01
Dude.
00:46:00:10 –> 00:46:02:06
Slightly creepy. That creepy guy. Comfortable in his own skin.
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Is he the dude? There was a dude dressed like Elvis or something? Yes. At the one night getting Rosie
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Dressed
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Up on Valentine’s one. Yeah.
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All, all kinds of stuff. I didn’t
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Know who that was either.
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Okay. Well, all right. There, there’s some freak, onward freak show stuff from the expo right there. Onward. So, all right, next one. Let’s see. This is this. There’s two of that. Just, oh, well this is a quick and easy one. Calvin. Calvin Goog from Kansas. Jason, you know him. How big of a Yeah, he’s good dude. How big of a non-typical mule deer would you say is equal to a 200 inch typical, let’s just say 200 inch net.
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Oh, heavy.
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Jason, don’t talk about the I guards next.
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Don’t guard guards. I, I mean,
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Just what do you, what would you, what would you all say? Oh,
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200
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Inch.
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Really hard. Think about this. It is it, I wanna bring Justin’s buck in so you guys could look at it like, well, and
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Even that one appreciate you have That’s,
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We
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Never even got see it. I wanna show it to you even. I’m gonna bring it in tomorrow. I don’t know where to put it because Justin’s gone for a minute. Even
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Tomorrow, even your buck, it’s nets 1 97 or eight. Yeah. Like even that dear, it’s so rare.
00:47:11:27 –> 00:47:17:18
They are so rare. I never gave typicals enough credit in my life. Well, they, I was always taught trash is cash. It did
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Feel though, like 10, that’s the money. 15 years ago, like, like when the Henrys were cranking, we spent so much time hunting
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On typicals. You
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Guys did. It was nothing. Yes. To kill a book. Typical Every year you had three to four five of them. Yeah. You’re after the buck that added up a trash. 2 20, 2 30 bucks. But yeah. But that was a hidden
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But now of a magic. Just let me, let me, Bronson, you can have the tag of your dreams. Go kill a net Booker. Typical. It’s hard to do.
00:47:41:08 –> 00:47:42:10
It is this day and age
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Hard to do? I remember Marvin James, he hunted the strip on a drought year the biggest. And he killed a net book. Typical. But it was, there was nothing. I mean, it was awesome for the year. It was amazing. You know what I mean? Yeah. Just heavy. One of them heavy old strip books. But so what do you think? Anyway, I don’t know. What do you think? Like a, I mean, two 40. Yeah, you could say that If it’s net 200.
00:48:06:12 –> 00:48:12:28
Yeah. ’cause I mean a net one 90 Boone a Crockett, this doesn’t imperfect, but a net one 90 quote equals a net two 30. Net
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Two. If you, if you think that. But there’s probably more net one ninety’s taken Yes. Annually than a two 30 net. Oh,
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Absolutely. Yeah.
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So
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I would say a net 200, it might be like a two. Feel like today, 2 45, 50 bucks.
00:48:27:29 –> 00:48:28:08
What?
00:48:28:13 –> 00:48:38:22
Wow. Even bigger than two 40. Really? Two 40 is big. But, but 200 net. I’m talking net. How many of those do you have? You, can you think of in the last, it’s three, five years. It’s hard.
00:48:38:22 –> 00:48:41:16
No, no, it’s true. But, so, and
00:48:41:16 –> 00:48:48:10
You can think of some two 50 net non typicals, or two forties to fifties. Yeah. Two forties. Yeah, you can, so I think you’re in that range. But
00:48:48:10 –> 00:48:51:00
What if they’re standing next to each other? Which one do you choose? I mean,
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You know, depends on how they’re built. Like
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Fatty agar,
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Because it kind of comes down to like a
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Pipe.
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A a
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35 y,
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A four 20 straight six point
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Out eight Triple A
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Is like, probably my dream out would be a dream. 4, 4 20, straight six.
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Oh, me too.
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I mean, not, I don’t want a non-typical four 20 out. I want a
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6.0. Me too. Me
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Too. Like, so it’s kind of different. But a deer, if it’s heavy and heavy, 200 box boxy, not beautiful. It really can’t cheat as a four by a five by five with the eye guards. It can’t really cheat yourself to 200. It, it’s either is or it’s not. Yeah. So it’s gonna be big.
00:49:30:12 –> 00:49:36:19
Okay. Yeah. But there’s like a spindly one right out here that nets 1 98. Yeah. Right here in our office. There are
00:49:36:19 –> 00:49:38:14
Some that don’t look at, yeah. Oh yeah.
00:49:38:27 –> 00:49:41:15
You show net. It’s full of beams. It’s big beams, big
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Two. But I would say most times, most times the net non tips get in a bullet every time. Oh
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Yeah. It’s
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For me. And
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Probably all of us. Me too. I mean, geez, because
00:49:52:01 –> 00:49:52:06
You,
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Yeah. But you get a, a good wide boxy, big fatty, fatty igar. Typical 20 inches of mass or better. Yeah. I mean, geez, what Jason? The Nevada buck that’s above your desk.
00:50:05:18 –> 00:50:06:04
What is it?
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Gross 2 0 7. Like nets 1 97 or
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Eight. Eight.
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The
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One that’s the one I’m talking about. I guard that one is just so, but they’re,
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They’re four and a half inch I guards that are two inches wide. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like just, it has some things that you just want to grab
00:50:20:16 –> 00:50:26:09
It, add it, add adds that that’s another one that, that like, it’s, there’s 200 inches that, that look. Two 10.
00:50:26:16 –> 00:50:38:18
Yeah. Yeah. Where are those days? You know, that’s what it just, it’s just, we’re not even hunting. You know, when, when we got started killing big stuff when we were kids and Logan was still,
00:50:39:05 –> 00:50:40:01
I don’t know what, can’t
00:50:40:01 –> 00:51:17:05
Say. Not even. Not even Logan. Logan. I didn’t even, wasn’t even, I’m not even sure if he was an egg yet. He might have been. But, but just think about the times that have changed since it’s just not even in the same era. And I’m looking back then, and we had the old crusty dudes that were big buck killers back then. Tell us that we were might as well give up that we’re not seeing nothing. Right. Yeah. And then we had some good years what we thought were good years, and now we’re telling the young guys, it’s not even worth buying a tank of gas. Go, go ride your dirt bike out at three peaks and enjoy it. I mean, don’t, don’t go scouting. What are you gonna scout for? There’s nothing left. Yeah. And, and, and it’s just hard to believe
00:51:17:05 –> 00:51:17:19
They said that
00:51:17:19 –> 00:51:18:23
To us then. They said that to us
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Because it had been that long from the sixties and eighties. Yes. When they just reveled in their era. And we were in the,
00:51:25:20 –> 00:51:27:09
Up until that 92, 93 winter
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We, yeah, we were in the nineties and early two thousands. Yeah. And
00:51:31:18 –> 00:51:32:09
There’s drought.
00:51:32:09 –> 00:51:34:19
We like what are talking about. I can go find a big buck. Yeah.
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Yes.
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And now, now we, now we got our kids. Now we’re telling, now we got our kids that are go gungho and go, dad wanna get it. We’re just like,
00:51:43:01 –> 00:51:53:10
Sean was talking to the shed buyer and said, have you had any big deer sheds? Like where’s all the big deer sheds on the gram? He’s like, only knew of one. It was like a 10-year-old crusty. It was 103 inches or
00:51:53:10 –> 00:52:10:22
Something. The other thing is about a big deer though. They’re so rare. They’re like finding a pile of 50 arrowheads in one pile if you found a brown set or an set. I’ve never found that. But I mean, if you find Yes. A, a big deer set or shit, you don’t sell ’em anymore. No. Mean you don’t keep people don’t
00:52:11:03 –> 00:52:11:18
Em next to your
00:52:11:18 –> 00:52:13:13
Bed. Yeah. You sleep with them for three years.
00:52:14:01 –> 00:52:21:18
They’re, but anyway, they’re just so rare. Everything’s just telling you how rare it is. And elk seems to be Yeah. Fairly good. Can’t get a tag. But it’s
00:52:21:18 –> 00:52:24:19
One the dog chews. Yeah. Milder sheds get kept. They don’t go to sell.
00:52:25:06 –> 00:52:26:11
All right. Let’s move along. Okay.
00:52:26:18 –> 00:52:29:16
I like it. Alright. Well speaking on, on the deer, on the deer three. Nevertheless,
00:52:29:21 –> 00:52:33:19
We’re hot and deer harder than we ever have. ’cause you can’t give up the dream. You know what I mean? Yep.
00:52:34:00 –> 00:52:36:16
Let’s look at the cover of our last magazine.
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Yeah. That gives you hope. He still dream.
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Geez. It
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Does. And and you know, that guy’s done it a couple of times. Yeah. Like I have a feeling he knows what he’s doing.
00:52:44:13 –> 00:53:02:24
Probably hunting, familiar country stuff that we talk about a lot. Probably this day and age when stuff’s tough. Stick to what you know the best. I like it. Okay. Big buck stories. Tell them about the one that got away inside what you could have done different on a big buck story. I only have really, I have a couple, but
00:53:04:03 –> 00:53:07:13
I Yeah. Hmm. Jason,
00:53:08:09 –> 00:53:10:01
These stories. Jason can’t think of one that got away.
00:53:10:04 –> 00:53:12:03
No, I do. Yeah. Colorado Buck.
00:53:14:12 –> 00:53:16:00
I know one of mine of Colorado, but
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I couldn’t do remember when I, when I shot and I was through the grass, it was like the yellow grass. Oh yeah. I thought I could do nothing. And just, I mean, if I could have done it different, we chilled out.
00:53:24:05 –> 00:53:26:04
Yeah. Just, just talk about that part. Not
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Just better, just better execution. I like prone
00:53:30:01 –> 00:53:31:06
Instead of proning and
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Not, or maybe just get above the brush. Like just a couple things. Just better execution. Come to find out one of my base screws was loose. Well, and and that’s the one I’ve been talking about then now need to rescope. Yeah. I just put it in the safe and said I’m done with you. And that was like the most amazing gun ever. You know, Ashley’s first bucks and just an awesome gun. But then it did me wrong. And some time it cost me well over two hun. You know? And anyway, there you have it. I’m, I’m disgusted. I don’t wanna talk about this question. I
00:54:00:21 –> 00:54:05:18
Don’t, I don’t know if, I mean, I’ve got the one in unit 18 that I shot with you, Jason. Oh.
00:54:06:10 –> 00:54:09:15
Oh my gosh, John. And that’s a good slow. That is a, that is a nightmare.
00:54:09:18 –> 00:54:10:09
Yeah. It
00:54:10:09 –> 00:54:14:12
Was horrible. That one was one. I was too picky. And I was like, John, come shoot this one, one
00:54:14:13 –> 00:54:16:13
Had to be one 90 low nineties
00:54:16:15 –> 00:54:21:04
Wasn’t And it dropped. It dropped. And there was cre This is not
00:54:21:04 –> 00:54:24:03
Like, like a fin off the back. What do he call like, like a vertebrae.
00:54:24:26 –> 00:54:27:06
It went under the backbone, I think and above everything else.
00:54:28:01 –> 00:54:29:25
I don’t even know if it did that. It almost like it.
00:54:29:27 –> 00:54:41:28
We were killing stuff. Some, we were killers back then. And, and it was like, we were so confident that thing dropped. Ah, walk over there. Yeah. Way. Deb Buck. Where’d the buck go? John mean? I looked
00:54:41:28 –> 00:54:43:22
For it. It for three days after you left. It
00:54:43:22 –> 00:54:53:04
Was, it floundered around back. We washed it. Flo around, gone on its feet and we were tracking it in the snow. Yeah. And walked away. Yeah. In front of our eyes. You just, you just, it would’ve walked away in front of our eyes. You
00:54:53:04 –> 00:54:56:10
Just shock. Paralyzed it and Yeah. And realized, I’m okay. I’m outta here.
00:54:56:17 –> 00:55:02:10
John smashed it. It was cold. It was so cold. You remember that cold? So cold. Yep. Man. Yeah.
00:55:02:13 –> 00:55:03:24
What? Geez. So to follow up,
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Follow That was in mid
00:55:05:07 –> 00:55:05:27
Nineties. Yeah.
00:55:06:07 –> 00:55:06:27
To follow up
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Good deer. Might have been my best deer ever.
00:55:09:03 –> 00:55:12:10
You kill, you keep shooting up. It might’ve been that other one. Shoot him again and again and
00:55:12:10 –> 00:55:12:27
Again. Yeah.
00:55:14:00 –> 00:55:15:12
One shot kills me. Nothing.
00:55:15:20 –> 00:55:22:17
Me. He went down and he was on the opposite side of the ridge. Oh, that’s right. So we couldn’t actually see him down, but that’s right. We have video. He dropped like a rock.
00:55:22:20 –> 00:56:05:19
Saw that buck before the hunt started. Remember? Yep. Like the day before the hunt started. Yep. And I was like, we’re gonna kill this buck, John. Let’s do this. Yeah. It was really, that was a gut wrencher. Yeah. Yeah. Darn it. I had another deer getaway that was giant, giant, giant. And then, but I think a lion ate him or something. Like it was one of those that we hunted 30 days and he literally was gone. Just he was gone. Disappeared. Yeah. He was gone and then never showed up the next year. No sheds, no buck, no deadhead. No. No. I mean, I don’t know. It was just gone like it was done. You know? It was like a figment of your imagination. Pollock you, you, you’ve had some stuff get away. Yeah. We’ve said some. That sounded
00:56:05:19 –> 00:56:06:22
Leading. I’m kinda
00:56:06:22 –> 00:56:07:03
Interested.
00:56:07:17 –> 00:56:08:25
I don’t know what I’m messing here.
00:56:09:04 –> 00:56:12:16
I just love it when everybody else gets a little mental angu. I’ve told stories before
00:56:12:18 –> 00:56:33:06
And whatever, but, so they’re nothing new. But I, I think back of just from last year, that bull that I hit up here, you know, I, I don’t know as far as score wise that he would’ve been any better than the bull I killed. But he would’ve been more impressive, if that makes sense. You know, just, he was just heavy and just bigger framer, you know, that bull like K’s got really long points. But this bull just had,
00:56:33:09 –> 00:56:35:12
He walked away and said, where, where’s the next cow
00:56:35:25 –> 00:56:42:22
Was probably the same thing as John just crease this top of the back basically. And Stu shocked him, paralyzed him for
00:56:42:29 –> 00:56:43:18
He’s still alive, right?
00:56:44:04 –> 00:56:54:00
Oh yeah. Those vertebrae are what, seven, eight inches off the top of those bowl? Off their, above their spine. Yes. Exactly. And it barely hit the top of it, so it didn’t even Yeah. Broke the skin. It didn’t even do anything. He
00:56:54:00 –> 00:56:57:25
Didn’t was a bomb. Believe did, did it change his pattern? You didn’t find him. You saw him
00:56:58:21 –> 00:56:59:01
After,
00:56:59:08 –> 00:57:00:29
You know, he’s one, you know, he, you know, he’d lived
00:57:01:12 –> 00:57:02:12
Yeah. He was rutting
00:57:02:12 –> 00:57:07:27
Cows, but then he was, he was like, I’m, I’m kind of over this Pollock guy down here. This viking keeps throwing lead at me.
00:57:08:29 –> 00:57:22:03
Yeah, it sucked. So you just think about that. ’cause I was going through the other day some videos and stuff, trying to throw some videos together and that, and I was just like, ugh. Anyway, mainly ’cause Yeah, well the shot I hit him might have been my second shot. So
00:57:22:16 –> 00:57:22:27
First
00:57:22:27 –> 00:57:23:27
One, the first one was,
00:57:24:10 –> 00:57:25:22
Was a sha. Yeah.
00:57:25:26 –> 00:57:26:24
Did you shank the first
00:57:26:24 –> 00:57:28:24
One? Oh yeah. I don’t even know what I did. So
00:57:28:24 –> 00:57:29:21
Did we, didn’t we know that?
00:57:30:15 –> 00:57:32:03
I don’t know that you disclosed that.
00:57:32:23 –> 00:57:37:00
I think we, we saw it was the shot. I think we
00:57:37:20 –> 00:57:39:10
Is the shot top of you showed us.
00:57:39:13 –> 00:57:41:03
Yeah, I think we talked about it
00:57:42:05 –> 00:58:08:23
Possibly, but I don’t know. And then you turn around and like, when I killed that New Mexico bowl, like I think about the shot I made on that bowl and I was like, geez. I was just thinking about it even last night. I’m like, I don’t actually know how I, I don’t know. ’cause there’s some things you just, it’s so automatic. You just get down and do. Yeah. And, and so I was like, geez. I was, I was thinking back at it. I’m like, geez, that was a actually a pretty good shot. But anyway, but yeah, it’s so, it sucks when the ones that get away ’cause it eats at you for a long time.
00:58:08:23 –> 00:58:38:28
Especially nowadays. You got one. You got one. Yes. Probably one opportunity in a hunt is a, is a and sometimes you don’t have any, A lot of times nowadays you don’t have any. Yeah. But one on something special, you better make it happen. Which goes back to why we put so much money in the gear. Yeah. The time. Yep. And the effort. All the time and effort and energy and gas and you know, I mean, Logan buys a new dirt bike. Go have a good hunt. You know, I mean you got, there’s a lot going on, on this hunt and anyway, so you wanna make it happen. All right. Does anybody have a story of
00:58:39:01 –> 00:58:47:00
One that should have gotten away and just by luck, pure luck? It didn’t. Yeah. What do you mean? Yep. Yeah. Yeah. You
00:58:47:00 –> 00:58:48:03
Mean I’ve been really lucky in my life.
00:58:48:09 –> 00:58:54:05
Some shots you mean? Yeah. Just like some that come to mind. That’s like, I got one for you. This is, this is an antelope.
00:58:55:10 –> 00:58:55:16
Okay.
00:58:55:20 –> 00:58:59:00
This is my Arizona antelope. Remember? Oh no. Remember this story? Yeah.
00:58:59:03 –> 00:58:59:18
That’s my
00:58:59:23 –> 00:59:39:23
Favorite. And this was just like, kind of kinda like Jason’s but different Yeah. In that this thing is dead. I it’s 350 yards antelope. Yeah. And, and I’m on shooting sticks. ’cause antelope country, you can’t always bipod down ’cause if you’ve got grass it’s 18 inches, 20 inches tall. You, you can’t do that. So, you know, I didn’t have, and this was a little bit before now we got, you got a shooting vice, put it on a tripod, slip it in and that’s made antelope punt. ’cause you’re, a lot of times you maybe have to stand up out there. This thing, you know, your belly crawling kind up there, this thing’s out there. Rutting. His d and i slipped my shooting sticks, you know, just your homemade coyote hunting, shooting sticks. Right. They
00:59:39:23 –> 00:59:40:00
Were awesome.
00:59:40:18 –> 00:59:48:18
Slipped my gun up in there. And when I shot my gun was just being held in the brush. It wasn’t even, they weren’t even
00:59:49:07 –> 00:59:49:16
The ground
00:59:49:16 –> 01:00:05:28
Solid stick. They weren’t even on the ground. And I just thought they were, ’cause you’re trying to, you’re poking up. I shoot my whole gun falls like six inches straight down to the ground. Like, and, and, and he just took off running and I’m like, oh no, this is my pre scouted number one buck. And it was just like,
01:00:06:06 –> 01:00:07:15
And it’s a chip shot. Yeah.
01:00:07:18 –> 01:00:13:15
Like it’s just a top pin, you know, dial three 50 and now he’s run straight away. And
01:00:13:15 –> 01:00:18:03
I’m the way antelope knew. And I, he’s doing, he’s going through 35, 40 mile
01:00:18:03 –> 01:00:18:17
Hour. And I had
01:00:18:17 –> 01:00:20:05
A friend of mine 45 hitting 50
01:00:20:13 –> 01:00:25:29
Eric Hunt. You know him in Arizona? Yeah. Arizona Desert Outfitters. Great guy. He, he knows unit 10 for elk and wa
01:00:26:06 –> 01:00:28:10
He’s like, oh, good job. He’s up Bronson. Well
01:00:28:10 –> 01:00:48:28
He’s, I, yeah, he’s not with me. He’s, he’s spotting over here. And so now I’m like, oh my gosh. And, and now when you get an antelope running 50 miles an hour straight away, the range finder, you don’t No. By the time you range, you get on your gun is another a hundred yards difference. Right. So all I did, I just put one in it. I put it literally right on his butt
01:00:49:13 –> 01:00:49:19
At
01:00:49:19 –> 01:01:03:07
Then and just went high and I shot. ’cause you don’t have time to No. You know, he’s out there 500 and something. Now I shot clipped the top of his butt. It went in and out the top of his tailbone about six inches. Hit him right in the back of the head.
01:01:05:06 –> 01:01:08:07
Folded him and he was done. And just, oh my god.
01:01:08:10 –> 01:01:10:07
And I remember, I remember Eric like,
01:01:11:07 –> 01:01:17:13
Bro, that was a shock. I’m like, well yeah, it’s kind of like Pollock. Like, you know, the first one,
01:01:17:18 –> 01:01:19:00
I don’t know what happened the second
01:01:19:00 –> 01:01:19:19
One. Just
01:01:19:28 –> 01:01:24:15
Remember that. So that was one that should not, I should not have got that. We
01:01:24:15 –> 01:01:26:04
Got brain scattered for 10 yards.
01:01:26:05 –> 01:01:43:17
Well, hey, well hey, it didn’t, didn’t like break it, but it broke the skull. I kept that buck for like 17 months kind of wondering, you know, waiting for it to get mounted because I, I never scored it. ’cause I thought like a deer in an elk. You break that, you can’t get a score. Yeah. Well antelope isn’t like that. You don’t have an inside spread.
01:01:43:28 –> 01:01:44:23
I didn’t know that. I didn’t
01:01:44:23 –> 01:01:49:21
Know that. I didn’t know you could score it until I ran into Huh Brent. Oh really? BC
01:01:50:00 –> 01:01:50:16
Come on.
01:01:51:00 –> 01:01:57:03
And I’m like, you can score that. He come on. He said, yeah, I gotta get this mount. I killed the big. He says, oh you don’t, you can get that scored on an antelope.
01:01:57:16 –> 01:01:58:15
Huh? Come
01:01:58:15 –> 01:02:01:03
On. Maybe I shouldn’t disclose that. They’re gonna strip it outta the book.
01:02:02:10 –> 01:02:03:00
How cool is that?
01:02:03:09 –> 01:02:17:24
But anyway, it’d been like 18 months ’cause I just waiting for it to get mounted. I think Josh, you and Russell mounted a buck for me. But, but anyway, I guess ’cause there’s no inside sprint. I don’t know. Yeah. So I don’t know that about a sheep too. Maybe sheep wouldn’t matter if you broke a skull on a sheep moving
01:02:17:24 –> 01:02:18:10
Right along.
01:02:19:15 –> 01:02:22:00
Well anyway, so that’s one. I should not have killed that. Exactly.
01:02:22:01 –> 01:02:23:03
I love that story. I love that
01:02:23:03 –> 01:02:28:23
Story. I just so make sure like Jason, just the same principle. This thing is toast.
01:02:29:05 –> 01:02:30:00
Just I’ve done it
01:02:30:14 –> 01:02:43:15
And my gun, I remember the recoil, it fell 10 straight inches down and I’m like whoa. That was not betted anywhere. Anyway, so anyway, man, what else? Jason, you wanna talk about one of yours that got away?
01:02:43:20 –> 01:02:48:18
No, no. I’m good dude. I think we should wrap it up. We’ve been here for an hour and six minutes. Yeah, let’s
01:02:48:18 –> 01:03:20:29
Wrap it up. Well the last one, one last question. Well, well that’s just, this is the, this is wrap up question. The other one is what a big buck taught you. But that’s similar to the one we talked about. So last question of this page thought on this year’s mild, very dry winter, I’m seeing animals on summer range, maybe 8,000 feet or higher, rather than being on their normal winter ranges. Will a will a big late spring snowstorm kill off or deer her? No, no, that hasn’t happened. But what has happened is a lot of good spring snow storms. I’ll say that it’s been weather,
01:03:21:02 –> 01:03:21:11
It’s
01:03:21:11 –> 01:03:22:12
Over. We’re talking southern Utah.
01:03:22:20 –> 01:03:25:07
It feels cold. Like I turned in my water ticks me off.
01:03:25:18 –> 01:03:25:24
You
01:03:26:02 –> 01:03:57:03
Pull out again, you turn my water. I, I I I guess we’ve talked about this on a prior podcast and I just can’t get over it because, and I haven’t turned it back in. It is just a cold. It feels like the cold is extending. Yeah, yeah. You know, we got really warm and we’re like, ah, everybody’s out froing turning in the water. My wife’s ready to get the yard going. Last thing I wanna do. ’cause that means you got a mo job for the rest of your life it feels like. And then anyway, now I took it out, I aired it out and blew it out and all the good things and then haven’t turned it back in. It just feels wet, moist, cold. That kind of a early summer.
01:03:57:06 –> 01:04:01:04
I have to tell you what I found ’cause I didn’t turn mine off. Remember? Did you
01:04:01:04 –> 01:04:01:21
Did it break?
01:04:02:21 –> 01:04:04:27
I got, I got some squirters. Oh.
01:04:05:01 –> 01:04:08:15
Because yeah, you, you don’t have as much. You’re smarter.
01:04:08:25 –> 01:04:17:22
A lot of my, well mine a of rock, a lot of, a lot of mine is rock landscaping and their drips to trees and brushes and all that. Well they’re not buried. Oh, so what, what is that prone to? And
01:04:17:22 –> 01:04:20:24
He’s like, I’m not turning mine out. I’m not blowing ’em out. And I’m like, I’m
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Blowing mine out. I didn’t really blow ’em out, I just shut it all down so it wouldn’t be, wouldn’t be pumping water during the cold days. I had, I walked out the other day and I some g
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Dude,
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It got strip 20 squirting at me from 15 feet. I’m like, geez,
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My luck is I’d fill my basement full of water. So I’m just
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Nervous. Anyway, so yeah, I had a one of those heads of drips with all the black hoses going out of them about three in each direction. Yeah. Oh Jesus. I’ve got spider spider sprays. Good thing about our snowstorms now is they melt
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Fast.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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I think it’s good. I actually think it’s good. It’ll be interesting. Those deer and elk, whatever he’s talking about are eating a little different. Yeah. And sometimes it’s interesting. It could be good, you know, depending how things shape up I think is wet enough. May we want it to be wet. Here we go. We’re we’re doing it. April was kind of wet in a lot of places. This is good. It’ll be interesting. I think eye forecast is gonna be average if not a little greater than average. Some states be great, you know, that’s what I would is that the positive in me? I, I think
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Is that,
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Is that positive of an outlook?
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You gotta be optimistic. Can’t I saw some of those, like that email we saw the other day with some fond survival stuff and fond weights and things and the deserty stuff could be rough.
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Well I think it could be rough.
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Some of that stuff there. There’s always some, I mean if, if a buck makes it to maturity in there, I don’t know why they figure out where the food is and they have potential to be big. Yeah. So there, there’s potential for a big deer, but just overall in general, I think some of the, the heavily, you know, deserty stuff might be kind of tough, but I think a lot of our units were deer the winter at say five to 7,000 feet. They actually had probably one of the best winters they’ve had in a long time as far as haven’t had to fight snow or even a lot of cold. So they haven’t had tough winters to survive through and walking through knee deep snow and all that stuff. So actually they obviously don’t fat. They continually lose fat all winter. But it’s a slower rate and it actually kind of started greening up a little sooner. So I don’t know. I, I think some of those higher elevation type wintering deer might actually be okay. Be all
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Right. Didn’t
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Green up quite as much as 2023 as early as 23. Oh Josh?
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No. No, never. Nothing ever.
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We were talking about that at lunch. We were seeing lots of green in the medians, Josh. Yeah,
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But it’s not as green as it was in
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February. Two weeks ago. February, two weeks ago. Adam and I were like, there is a lot of green in the median. Josh would be excited right now.
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No, I have noticed they driving just this morning I was noticing, I’m like, it’s just this week it’s significantly
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Gear. It’s turned on emerald this week. It’s turned on Emerald, Emerald green out there. All right everybody. Good luck in the draws. We wanna know what you get. Let us know if we can help you. I have member draw experience here at Epic Outdoors. We’ll send you a list of members who’ve hunted it in the past. If you wanna go guided, we’ve got guides for anywhere and everywhere, guaranteed tags or draw tags. Hit us up 4, 3 5 2 6 3 0 7 7 7. If you need any hunts with guaranteed tags. We also have the hunts listed. Devin does a great job of keeping those updated on our website, on the, the Epic hunt, whatever it is, profiles or whatever you can go check ’em out. There’s updated stuff, discounted stuff, all kinds of hunts out there. And so anyway, we work with the best of the best. Give us a holler. Good luck in the draws.
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