In this episode we call Tyler Bee, who harvested a 245” Mule deer with his bow last year. Rarely is an archery hunt easy and this was no exception. Tyler hunted long and hard and was able to make it happen on an incredible buck. We also talk about some of our trail camera strategies that can save you from missing animals when it matters most.
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Hey everybody. Jason Carter. Adam Broughton. John Peterson. Logan at the keyboard. It’s a miniature little keyboard, Logan. It is. It’s a little lowkey bear keyboard.
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What do we got? It works for us.
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There’s
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A couple of things. Dan
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Apple keyboard.
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Where’s that big board that made it look really high tech? I can
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Bring it back if you want. It just is nice to have a little space to write some sticky notes for When you guys say things that I
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Need to take out. Dunno, this makes it look like you’re replaceable. That anybody could run that little thing. Yeah. Well,
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Okay. Go ahead and track.
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No, no, no, no. Stay right there Logan. Alright. Anyway, having a good time here. It’s kind of a light week we got and we’re right in between everything.
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A lot of draw. We’re all, all the, the draw deadlines are over with and a lot of draw results coming out here very soon. Like California what? Washington? Oregon. Arizona. Deer and sheep, Idaho. Deer, elk, antelope. Yeah. Wyoming Deer and antelope. So anyway, we’re just kind of twiddling thumb. Wait, I,
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I don’t know about twiddling thumbs speed. I, but okay.
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I mean it’s kind of boring.
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We do have some search engines of various things on our, on our computers right now. Really? Well do you tell us? Yeah. I mean, I don’t know. We got
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What are looking for
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Ammo
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For either parts stuff.
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Yeah, maybe stuff. I got a battery for my T TW 200 that I’ve, Kay Bronson, you and I 2022 think we’re gonna set the world on fire with a TW 200. Okay. Okay. We go buy a pair of em. How many miles you got?
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70 something.
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Yeah, I’ve got 53. Okay. I mean, so anyway, gotta get a new battery at some point. Gonna have, learn what oil it likes just because of it’s got a half life. You remember what half-lifes are? Remember how things just naturally deteriorate with oxygen and being in an environment of some sort? I wonder about oil like they say, oh, you know, every three months or 3000 miles. I don’t think it needs that. I think you’d go three or four years. I’ve been, we’ve, yeah, case in point.
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Mines those three fours, three years old. Old
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Doesn’t burn a drop
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If you can get it started.
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Hasn’t even been started so it doesn’t burn a drop. Anyway. Pretty funny. I mean there’s some trails out there that I always thought I was gonna use and be a hero. No, not yet. So anyway, fun stuff. At least we can, we have the options, right? If we want to, we
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Can. Single track unit with a single track. That’s right. That’s right. We’re ready to go.
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So we’re running cameras. We’re doing a lot of interesting things right now as far as getting ready to scout, getting our gear ready. Prepping John, you’re talking about cameras, you’re running cameras using Onyx a lot and whatnot and, and then of course we’ve got some unique gear reviews and things. Why don’t you guys take the lead for a minute and let’s, yeah,
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I think we’ve got
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Some direct this just a little bit.
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Got some gear
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Reviews off the website. So we just wanna thank our listeners who have left reviews on products they’ve bought. So Logan, flip through
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’em really quick. Read us a couple. I don’t really, geez. Yeah, I mean there’s a lot, lot of stuff. Some do we even accept anything that’s less than five star? We’ll even show up zero
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All the way up to five and we’ve been fortunate. Yeah. That we’re not issuing a challenge. We just really like what people like our stuff. You
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Know what we should do is we should give away something crap. That’s right. We’re selling. We’re selling s swirl. It’s legit. But what we could do, Bronson, John, Logan. Yeah. If we want it at some point, anybody that leaves a five star review, give them something.
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Oh yeah, we do.
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I mean we could. We’ve got loads of stuff. Does
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That, does that cross the line of non-organic
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Feedback? Well, I mean what company’s organic besides ours?
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I don’t know.
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Can’t think of
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One. Probably some pet food company or something
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That’s organic. Well, I mean, no, if you, if you dissected what was in dog food, come on, they’d be outta business. You know what I mean? Eh,
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Come on organic. Come on. Doesn’t mean it’s edible.
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No, it could be rotten. Organic is rotten Organic is any bones and bare marrow and everything chomped together. These
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Reviews were sent in never before our giveaway. So these are still organic. Okay. Read real quick. So we had some pretty cool ones,
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A couple
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Of ’em. We had some pretty cool ones for our new releases on our tripod line, the Epic Max QR combo, which is our new big boy tripod. We had a five star review come in just a few days ago. He said it’s well, well-built and the pan is smooth. Love the return tension overall. I think it is what they say. It is highly effective and will be everything you need in a tripod. Had my 95 A TX on it and it handled it easily. Guys this passionate and their livelihood is, this business won’t put something out if it doesn’t perform at a high level. There’s more to follow. That’s,
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Wow.
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That’s another simple what’s
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More to follow me? That’s
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More, hey, he must think we have stuff in the works, which,
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Well, and he is not. I mean he doesn’t know. Right. You know what he doesn’t know, he doesn’t know. But we do appreciate it Chris. Thank you. Appreciate that. We much
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Like personally, much like what I said we don’t sell crap. That kind of said that, didn’t it? Yeah. Yeah
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It did.
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And like we took a lot of time over a year in development on that and, and then this version 2.0 took Yep. You know, another year development,
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The max version for one Grateful Bronson that John and Josh took the lead on the r and d and that you and I have got to say yes, that’s good or no it’s not. And go back
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To work. Well we luckily had been through the other ones for about a year. The light and the ultra and Yes. And that’s where the bulk of our, you know, time went into. Yeah. And so then the, the max was just simply a bigger beefier set of legs to, you know, withstand wind and wait a little bit more. That’s all as simple as it was. So I’m a fan
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Of the beefier legs on that. Yeah, I mean it’s not so big. Remember remember the old Z tripod we had for a pair
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Of highlanders? How about some of those SRO tripods? The older ones?
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I mean, I mean gigantic and they’re, I mean, hey, if you’re gonna shoot a 50 cow standing up, not so bad to throw it in our gun vice and throw it on there. But you who does that?
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Nobody buddy.
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So that’s
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50 feels like,
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Alright, you got another review or too Yeah,
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We got a couple more that I wanted to read just a couple days ago on a pair of Swarovski el arranged 12 by 40 twos said Swarovski’s in a class of their own. These are amazing best glass I’ve ever looked through. If you only need, or if you only have one set of binos that does it all, get the e get the twelves in the EL range. Okay.
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I like it. Yeah. One thing I want, we wanted to talk about Bronson, we had a couple of calls of guys that called in when we were talking about EL ranges versus other range finders and use what you started with. Okay. Yeah. Or if you swap over, fine swap over, run it out, run your pens
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Out, recalibrate
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Your stuff, recalibrate it and make sure you use what you, that’s all don’t, don’t use your buddy’s range finder or a whole different, you know, standalone range finder when you using an EL range. Yeah. And I guess we should go over it again just because people were thinking Oh, you’re saying the range is not good?
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No, we just talked about all range finders of all companies have slight inconsistencies in range. Logan, you talked about you and I think your dad and brothers out on a point. You all have the same range finder at 50 yards. You were plus or minus, you know, some were minus yards. Yep. Some are plus yards. You’re 50 fi two yard difference at 50 yards. The same exact outta the box range finders, not even swirl. So just talked about that period. This got brought to light because the husband and wife each had the same set. It’s a lot different when the husband’s shooting a 70 pound bow and the wife shooting a 40, 45 pound bow. The arc and trajectory of an arrow is completely different. And you’re, if you’re three or four yards off at, at a little bit yard longer yardage or
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Rangefinder to rangefinder. Yeah. From range if you’re slightly off. Yeah. It’s even gonna be that much more exaggerated with
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A 40 pound bow with
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40 45 pound bow. Yeah,
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Exactly. So we’re just saying, and they were
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Using different
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Range finders too, not the same brands. Yeah.
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You know, one was a fair, so keep in mind I, I know a yard is a yard is a yard is a yard. I, I get that. Yeah. Okay. We know what a yard is, but when you’re dealing with optics, you’re dealing with lasers, you’re dealing with, you know, mechanical mechanics of any sort. Vortex does not have to legally match s swirl. SRO does not have to legally match vortex or size.
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It’s all mathematics inside them that Yeah. You know, slightly different,
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You know. Yeah. And SRO uses a different application when it comes to calculating range. If you’re, if you’re citing in with SRO continuous swirl, you’re gonna be fine. It’s wonderful. The most amazing products ever.
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You pick up something new, you better just ground truth your pin. It’s more prevalent with That’s what it’s, we’re not on a rifle. I don’t know how much difference. Five yards at 700 yards means nothing.
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Yeah. Right. So you’re 5 0 1. 5 0 5. Yeah. Oh, oh, okay.
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But, but Archie five yards at whatever yard or, or that’s extreme.
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Well
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We’ve had, but, but I mean that, that is, that’s the mess.
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We’ve had some of the world class archers, let’s call ’em. Yeah. You know, at 125 yards being one or two yards off slightly or having some inconsistencies and they’re just, they have their own own system and they do not vary from it. And I’m not doing that. No, that’s not, I mean, so what we’re doing is, is wonderful. Great. The products are great. If you’re doing that, I’m sure you have your system
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Just and just use your, yeah. Use your rangefinder for your gun or your bow Perfect. And and calibrate it to it and use it like grab someone else’s. You might wanna ground trees it before you. You rely upon that.
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That’s all we’re saying. You could get Lucky Max. You want the best rangefinder on planet Earth. Go with the swirl yield range. We’ll just say it or say a SIG eight K. Phenomenal. I love my SIG eight K. So, and the 2,400, even though the 24 hundreds to get to Bluetooth it, it feels like it’s the Junkiest setup ever. And the eight K works every time. Plus it, you can type in what gun it is and it’s beautiful thing. I to wonder what Pro, pro on 2, 3, 4. That’s beautiful bill. Anyway, it’s just a beautiful thing and we’ve,
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We’ve got all of those in stock. So if you want one, we’ll sell you one great deals
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Too. All right. So yeah. Had a lot of, lot of five star stuff. I don’t know what else we got Logan. Anything else?
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We got one more that people might be interested in. So on our online store right now, or if you call in, if you spend more than $500, you get a free outdoor edge fixed blade knife and a epic headlamp in a bundle. If you buy more than $500 in our optic store
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We had, which I think is like a $70 value. Yeah. So yeah.
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So yeah, it’s a pretty sweet deal. We had a review for our headlamp come in just four days ago and he said it’s much brighter than the peaks duo. Pretty impressive. Now we’ll see how long it lasts. Carrying extra batteries won’t be a deal breaker considering how much brighter it is. The initial pre impression is a thumbs up.
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Wow. With
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Actually was used as an emoji. Yeah.
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Yeah it was. Yeah. Emoji on there translated. So he probably loaded it with his phone. But you know what I think is interesting about reviews? Name me the last review you guys have done.
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I did one yesterday. Yeah. Yeah I did.
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You did not. Yeah, I did. Okay. I’ve never done a review. I
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Got, I got
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And I love some of the Amazon products I’ve bought. I’m just saying to get somebody to go do a review other than bro, well
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I’ve done it before. It was, it was reminded by, by the company I bought from and it was good. And I used it was Trek boots. Yeah. Okay. I got an email. I bought some boot boots
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Probably. I’ll bet your Amazon bill month ago. I’ll bet your Amazon bill and purchase orders are lengthy. Okay. Have a wife like mine, I and myself. I’m buying everything on.
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I don’t even, I don’t even have an Amazon account. What? No, my wife does. That’s all I need. I go in there, she says, lemme see your Amazon. Let me order it dump. She has my car on file. I walk away. Wow. Because then I don’t get bombarded by You
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Don’t micromanage your own purchases,
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Jason,
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Do
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You? Wow. Yes. Everyone Your
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Own. Your
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Own. I I order everything.
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No, I order my own. What do you mean she doesn’t
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Where? From her
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Account? No. Yeah, from her account with my card. Okay. Have me your phone. Lemme order my stuff. Alright, go. And now you take your phone back.
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Take it
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Back. Yeah. Same thing with the Venmo. I don’t have that either. Okay. I’m proud of it.
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I did want to mention, he said he did say he’s gonna have to take extra batteries. It’s not true. Our headlamp, the cool thing about it’s, it’s got three brightness settings. You can put it on the lowest settings and
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Well he’s got it on the brightest setting. He says it’s brighter. Yeah. And then he said bright again. I think part of this was he likes a bright light. He
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Likes
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A bright light and so he is gonna burn through a little bit. Yeah. And yeah. I love my, I have headlamps in every door panel of all trucks. Like I, I, and I get it. We produced them. I get it. I know. Find
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I said lamps and
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Toms we know where to find more. Yeah, Toms. Yeah, exactly. And Advil. Like I know where to find ’em. Okay. But I’m just saying you can’t have too many, you go on there, you buy something great. We’re mentioning it when you call in. Great. We’ll throw ’em in the, in the box. You buy an optic, we’ll throw it in the box. $500 or more. So
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Log and people wanna read these, they can just go online and read ’em.
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Yeah. When you’re looking at products on our online store, these reviews show up right underneath it. Okay.
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All organic.
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Yep.
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Fully organic.
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Good grief. We don’t even talk about this stuff. Or even encourage. We should. Yeah. People are, you know what Onyx is always saying, right? It’s five stars right now. Right? It’s five stars and I’m in the middle of trying to navigate
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Somewhere. I’m trying to, I’m trying to make a shot in that right
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Now. Yeah. I’m like back off. Yeah.
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No,
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I’ve never rated them five because they keep asking me, you know, drives me crazy.
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Maybe that’s why we don’t ask very often. Geez. Anyway. Geez. Alright.
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So anyway, what else?
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We are in the middle of also our last, what? 12 two weeks of our membership drive Epic.
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Yeah. The membership drive. Yeah. Epic hunt giveaway world class hunts that we’re throwing at everybody here. When, when are we drawing? We’re gonna be the deadline is the 23rd. Probably draw on the, that’s coming fifth or something like that. Yeah.
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Got like a Wednesday, a week and a half left, right?
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Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, get in, get
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This year we decided just something different. We had some extra guns and bows and optics laying around. We’re like, let’s do some weekly incentive drawings. I don’t know what we call ’em. Drawing of the week I
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Think is what we
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Call, for some reason these riots cause me to want everybody to be armed. Like
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Give ’em a bow.
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Okay. Give ’em a bow, give ’em some broad heads. I don’t know, I, maybe I shouldn’t be saying that, but I don’t care. I feel like Don’t you want to just arm, arm the world arm everyone.
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Okay. When we have somebody laying around, we’re like all let’s give an incentive and give in the hat. It’s worked. And John, we’ve already drawn a couple winner. Yeah,
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We, we gave away a fierce rifle and Justin, our Mathis won that one and already
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Shipped it out to him
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Already. We shipped it to him. Yeah. And then the el range B binos.
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Are we making an announcement right here? Jason
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Reba
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Won those. Okay, say
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It again. Yeah. So congratulations. Congratulations. Name’s
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Jason for heck’s
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Sakes. Yeah. Jason RBA won the el
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Ah, congratulations.
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Then we got another one going right now and up until Friday night the 13th, right John? Yep.
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So we’ll run Saturday till Friday night at midnight and it will be over this. So
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If we’re giving away a white RX nine and a Acura L Rx this
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Week, right. If you get a ticket packages in, in that timeframe, you’ll automatically be, you know, entered to win
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Muzz Loader and Bow. We don’t, we don’t need to throw ’em at an FFL. We just ship ’em direct to your door. Yep. It’s awesome. Free for the taking, taking anybody that buys tickets. $125 or more like John said between now and what? Friday
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Night? Friday night. 30
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Night, night. Midnight. Yep. Okay.
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And so if you’re gonna buy tickets anyway, buy ’em. Buy ’em. And you’re gonna be get your name in the hat for one of these people to win ’em each and every week.
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Fun. It’s fun to give stuff. Just more stuff to give away. We like it. Yep.
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May or may not have it next week probably. Alright, moving on. Where are we at? Oh, do you wanna talk about truck cameras for a minute or do you want to go? Yeah, let’s dive into a hunting story. Do you want
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Let’s do a hunting story for hunting
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Story. Yeah. All right, why don’t you set the stage.
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Okay, so we’ve got Tyler B we’re gonna call, he was on our cover in the last issue and killed an absolute giant.
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Yeah. Like 250 inches. Yeah. You know, I was talking to a good friend of mine, almost name, name don’t exist besides Tyler. Name. Name. The last 250 you can think of was killed. I can think of one. What? What’s wrong? Talk about that. What? Like in 1953? No, 2003, 2013.
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2023. 2023. New Mexico Little Gal shot a giant with Muscle
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Loader. Okay, there you go. I like it. Giant. I like it. It was
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Found a set of sheds while they were hunting or killing or packing out or something.
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Seems like you had a raffle tag that year and it seems like that’s, you may or may not have known of the deer and had access to some life trip or photos of the deer.
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Who’s they were? I don’t know. But I was showing them,
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People went quiet,
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Dark, it was dead.
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And I said all ready to come down. And they’re like,
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Ah, we wanna pick his shit. He in a little gal whips a gun out on a freaking smokes
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A giant But
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Muzzled or no less
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Muzzled are open. That was an open sight year. First year I believe. First year of open sight. But anyway, so hats off to her. The thoughts. It’s a no joke. The point is though, we had to think about it. We had to think about another two
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50 bucks. Well, I mean name,
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They don’t exist.
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They’re just, you know. Yeah. Why? It was like he was looking through, you know, my Instagram and was he and hasn’t been updated recently. Why? ’cause there’s no big deer. And anyway he’s, he’s like, he’s a don’t, yeah, he says, did he
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Say you need a post Jason?
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No he didn’t. He just said, don’t go look at your Instagram. I said, I go, why? And he goes, ’cause they don’t exist anymore. Anyway. That’s what it feels like. It’s, it’s hard. Right? Oh,
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It feels like, but
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Hey. Yeah, Tyler found lottery killed one with Idaho genetics, which are no joke. Yep. Let’s, let’s jump over that is story page, page number 10 of the June July magazine. We covered Idaho excessively extensively in depth in that particular publication. I think let’s just see what we can get out of him. Talk about Yeah. What he’s done. He’s killed multiple giants. Okay, so your kid’s doing so right.
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Let’s get in and all Let’s get in and all those stories out of him.
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Today’s get him
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On the Mind milk him milk The two hun Stories dry.
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Every time we talk about milking, I just picture our friend of ours talking about milking the clock and he, I can just picture him like, yeah, the clock going through some safety briefings. Alright, here we go. Moving right along.
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Hello, Tyler.
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Tyler, Jason Carter. Adam Bronson, John Peterson, epic Outdoors podcast. How are you?
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Hey. Doing good. How are you guys?
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Good. We get you an all right time.
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Yeah. Yeah, I’m
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Good. Awesome, awesome. First off, let’s see, have you got another buck found? That’s like the buck you just smashed. Like are we gonna have to this be a regular occurrence? Because I think you’ve smashed a couple like this.
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Well, nothing quite like that one, but,
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And how do you get, how do you get National Geographic type photo photographs of, of a wild deer out in the wild, the regular draw tag in your hand? How does this happen? Geez,
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I think I might spend too much time in the mountains.
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Yeah.
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Bound to happen.
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Are you married?
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I’m okay.
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Yeah. You do spend too much time in the hills. Wow. He’s
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A special deer. We teed up a little bit before we called you about, you know, two 50 bucks. One’s the last one and thought of one in New Mexico in 2023. But I mean, then, then, then it went kind of dark quiet
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After that. Just can’t think of bucks like this
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In recent times. They just seem to be almost non-existent. So yeah,
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He’s,
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He’s an eye capture giant.
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They, they are truly non-existent. I mean, the amount of time I spend in the mountains and in units that I think have potential to, to grow a deer that size. I mean you just, for whatever reason, age class is one of them, but genetically, I just don’t think they can get there very often. Yeah. And what’s weird about it is like some of these units that I’ve spent a lot of time in you, like you get a freak anomaly like that dear, where you’re like, when I first saw that dear, I was like, had this weird feeling is, is this like a hy fence deer that somebody released out here? I’m like, what is going on? Because like I’ve, you know, you see a deer with some cheaters here and there, or maybe an inline or two or whatever. But I’m like, looking at this deer, I’m like, okay, yes, six and a half inch I guards stuff all over and on top of
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The four point frame is legit. The cheaters are legit. The inlines are legit. The mass is great. The I guards are phenomenal. The bleeding. Yeah, like where’s the weakness, right? Like where is the,
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It’s like one of those, one of
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Those books that I think the weakness is his his age. Yeah. He’s the four and a half year old dear. Did
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You have him aged?
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I’ve had two people look at it. I haven’t had a official, the official results come back, but I’ve had two people that are kind of really good in that field of, of studying teeth and bone and school and, and
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We even commented that in, in house. I mean, just look at his face and neck. It does, he’s not an ancient deer. I mean we, you know, I don’t wanna call,
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Call a pencil neck, but he does, who knows,
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Does what he,
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The corsi summertime type high short hair
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That, that makes
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Him look that way. Yeah. Yeah. He is. But like when, so one day I was after a rainstorm, I was looking for his tracks and, and I actually saw him and, and then found his tracks. And, and even his hoof was, if you saw his hoof, you would, you would think it was a, you know, a two or 3-year-old deer at at best wouldn’t
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Have started tracking him down with urgency. Oh
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No. No. It’s, wow. It’s pretty wild. So
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How, how early in the year did you see him for the first time? Like how well built was he the first time it a or was it a multiple year?
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Yeah. Did you recognize him from the year before? Although he probably just blew
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Up. ’cause he’s no, I, I, well I heard of a good buck in the area and I have no idea if it was him or not. ’cause it was a little ways away. Maybe five miles. And so it could have been him that I heard about. But yeah, I, I think the first time I saw him was, it was probably end of June, 1st of July, somewhere right there.
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So he had enough going on by then. You knew that was Oh
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Yeah. Oh yeah. He was over,
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Yeah.
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Yeah, he was over 200 by the end of June. 1st of July.
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I mean, now we’re coming up on the end of June right now. Oh yeah. I mean, you know, plus or minus a couple moments. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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The growth isn’t that great yet down here. But it’s, I mean it’s, they’re growing fast.
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Also don’t have a two 50 book we’re watching. I know.
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You don’t have to tell the public that. Maybe we do, maybe we do.
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Jason don’t press me. I’m just trying to keep people from following me this year. ’cause I have nothing.
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So I’m nothing. So, so did you, do you, you remember anything like it last year?
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What, what do you mean by that? Like that
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Meaning the, the year prior, I should say
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2020. No, no. I mean there, there was some good bucks around that I was keeping tabs on, but none of them had had the potential to get
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Extras or
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Something like that. I think they had the age class. I think they were older dear. But I just don’t think they were ever gonna get over that 200 to two 10 mark. I just think they were maxed out and that still a giant deer, but you know, just kind of a freak of nature really. I think.
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So when you first saw him, was it the end of June and you just were like, ah, this seems incredible. Or gonna be
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Who’s, who’s missing a deer looking for an ear tag in him, stuff like that. Yeah. Who’s missing a buck outta their pen. That’s what you thought?
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Honestly, that my, I had this weird, I was just studying that deer and I was like, I’ve never seen anything in this area that has that genetic. And so I’m like, what is going on? I’m like, you know, I’m like, is this deer moving back to his summer range that is far away from here that I caught him in transition just late to going to another unit. I’m like, is he traveling 50, 60 miles to another unit that, ’cause I’m like, this unit typically doesn’t have anything even remotely like that. So I was like, but then he just stuck around. I mean he, he was a weird deer. I mean he, he literally moved around that hole mountain, which usually if you turn a deer up and you keep tabs, I mean he’ll be within a mile. But this thing would disappear and I’d pick him up five miles down range up range, low land, top of the mountain. I’m like, man, this thing is
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Normal moving a lot. Do you think it was? Yeah. Or something like that? Or just, just moving a lot. Just he
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Was just moving a lot. Yeah, I, yeah, I, he ran solo a bunch and, and then he’d hook up with another deer and then he’d go back to solo and then I would find him five miles away and then I’d camp out there for three, four days and he’d disappear. And I’d go back to where I originally found him in there. He’d be like, what is, wow this deer doing? Yeah,
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Maybe. Yeah. And
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I think maybe that’s how a deer escapes general season units of intense hunting pressures of, ’cause the, the pattern him was almost impossible. And so, like if someone did see it, well good luck finding it did
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Also be part, partly due to the fact he was just, you can start to say fours when they’re just starting to, to mature from an age standpoint. Like, you know, he wasn’t a seven to 9-year-old buck that had done the same thing for the last five years and it really had it down and alluded it for that many years. You know, maybe still figuring out not in
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Wants to be not in his old man phase. Yeah,
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Correct. Not in a routine of
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Any kind. But remember we had a, we had a buck here in Nevada in 20 11, 20 12. But anyway, we called him Jake the snake. He’s full of rattlesnakes wherever he watered. But anyway then, but he would move the rest of the deer we could glass up. We could never glass him up. Oh
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Trust me, I I hunted him with you.
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Yes you did. Yeah. And it was, it was
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Terrible. Was in my a
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Most that Well and then come to find out he was actually going like, you’re doing five to seven miles. The steer was doing the same thing in the velvet, which is counterintuitive. Normally they don’t do that. We could find every other buck. But this buck ends up getting killed on a small year with a rifle on, a rifle with a rifle hunter guided by Mark Lane. Anyway, clear back in the day, but interesting that your deer was doing the same thing. And I think those, those, let’s call ’em weird patterns. Awkward, you know, just their personalities or whatever. Yeah. Lend them to get age. Maybe
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They’re like people. I mean, think about people, some people are gregarious, like to hang out in groups, friends, all that. And others are more loners. Loners lend me alone. Let me yeah
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It up. Don’t do the same thing twice except
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Go live. Except you go to work once in a while. No, let me go live in the panhandle of Idaho. Oh. And never find me. No offense to people in Idaho. I’m just picking that rent. I’m just saying, you know, there’s
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Places in a rainforest and not be
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Seen. Yeah. So
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Deer. So your deers doing, your deer’s doing that, obviously moving a lot. So how do you, how do you hunt a deer that doesn’t have a pattern like that? What was your game plan?
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Well it was spending a lot of money on fuel.
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A lot of trips, huh.
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You know, I would, I would, I would glass an area until my eyes hurt and then I would pack up, move a mile down range up range wherever and just kind of just expanding that, that zone out farther and farther until you locate it. And, and honestly I think it was really lucky it all came together. ’cause I was like, if this deer, if I can’t get it done on the bow hunt, he’s gonna get real smart real quick when he rubs his velvet and a lot of those deer go nocturnal. And he was just starting to get to that phase and actually opening day he rubbed, I watched him rub his velvet off completely. He was full velvet in the morning at daylight and by evening he was completely stripped. And I just did not feel good on the shot. You just kept, kept that quarter just a little tied away from me at 80 yards. And trust me, I thought about it many times. I’m like, oh, I know I can hit that shot. But I was like, I am not gonna, I’m not gonna take a chance on wounding a deer this caliber, you know? And thought I didn’t because it all worked out. But
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Did you think he was two 50 or is he a, is he, did he end up drying out at like two 50 and did you feel like that’s the kind of buck you were hunting?
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Yeah, he ended up going 2 45 and change.
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Did he net book, like did you net him, put him in the book?
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I haven’t yet. I got, I got a guy doing it here not too long that’s gonna put him in the book, come and do the official
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Stuff longer. He doesn’t, looks like he nets well.
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So his, his main frame was about 2 0 6 on his typical frame. Yeah. Which, and that was, that was dried out and everything. So.
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Alright, well let’s go back to the story.
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So yeah, how did you, I mean, opening day, you were on him obviously somehow and was it the weeks leading up? The days leading up, he kept track of him. He kind of, did he, did he get a tighter roaming range? Just got lucky, the right timing and kept track of him that last several days and obviously sounded like opening day you were on him.
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Yeah, well he, I hadn’t seen him for about a week prior to opener, which was kind of concerning. But, but at the same time I was like, this deer is weird enough that I’m, I know he is in the area and opening morning I glass the deer up quite a ways out and once I got enough light out that I was like, oh, that’s, that’s him. And he beded down. Actually he was already beded at daylight, which was another thing that I was like, maybe that’s why he is so hard to find if he’s, if he’s even beded in the velvet before daylight, you know, and, and just seeing the tops of his horns. And that’s how I picked him up. And he got up and when the sun hit him and which was another thing is usually is rotate beds. You know, they might move 20 yards, a hundred yards, whatever. This thing got up at eight, nine o’clock and he walked probably three quarters of a mile uphill up a mountain range going up open ridges and in the sunlight went all the way out in the sunlight. In the sunlight. Wow. Hooked all the way to the top of the mountain, embedded down. And I was like, what is this deer doing? And that’s when I went and sat on him for all day and, and was hoping to, hoping you’d just come back down the same trail. But you had other, other plans.
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So you got up and stirred a little bit like your previous store, you talked about 80 yards. Did he get up switching to bed but stayed in that bed all day and just didn’t feel good about the shot. And then fast forward to, I don’t know what time in the afternoon, what, what happened then when he finally started to move for good, I guess?
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Well he sat in the same bed once he beded that hard bed at like 10 o’clock, he stayed in that bed and didn’t move until dark and
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Didn’t get up. Even stand,
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Didn’t even didn’t stretch. Didn’t even, didn’t, I mean my eyes were glued to that unusual, you know. Yeah, yeah. And I was like, well, he might get up and feed, he might go up, you know, go to the bathroom, whatever. Just, just, he might just get up and gimme that window for a shot. But he literally sat just perfectly still in actually in a little patch of trees. And, and then at dark, I was like, well, I’m running out of daylight, you know, I either gotta push my luck, make a play and get it a little closer how and see what’s going on. And
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You were under a hundred yards?
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I was one 50. Yeah. Yeah. I think I was about one 50. And so I closed the gap to 80 yards and then I looked and he was just on the other side of these trees and he was just raking his velvet off, going crazy. And every time he would rake I would take three, four fast steps and then he would whip his head around and look, ’cause I think, I don’t know if he would hear me or just sense something up, the wind was in my favor. And we did this for quite a while and he just kind of kept that 80 yard mark out in front of me. And, and he went up and over the ridge and I was like, oh, like I don’t want to go up over the ridge and bust him. But I was like, man, I might not see this there again. And so I kind of pushed it again and walked up to the ridge and I was about ready just to turn around. I actually had my bow put away and I looked and he just walked out from behind a cedar and was at 20 yards with his head down feeding.
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And you had put the bow away. How did you on your pack, like sneak back like you’re gonna, so he put the arrow back and I’m not gonna push this. I was, it’s getting, getting close to getting dark and you’re, oh my gosh,
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Yep. I’m not gonna, yep. I was dumb. Bo was on the pack getting, getting ready, getting my headlamp out ready, you know, ready for a hike out and, and then all of a sudden he shows up and I arrange it, said 20 yards. I was like, in disbelief. I was like, what? There’s no way that this is happening. His, ’cause his head was down, he didn’t even know I was there. And so I dropped my pack, got my bow range it again. ’cause it seemed a little farther than that. But you know, when you’re losing light and your perception of, of yardage is kind of starting to get a little funny. I was like, man, so I range it, it said 20 again, drew back and let it fly. And I just hear really nothing but brush. And, and he bolted up over the ridge and I was like, what the heck just happened?
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I’m like staring at my bow, staring at my rest, my sight. I’m like, I’m just like, honestly just in shock, you know? I spent like every day shooting on the range. And then I started like, like, well obviously something’s worth wrong with my bow, but I dropped my pack, walked up to where he was standing, got on his track, the arrow was right where I thought it would be clean, nothing on it. I arranged, looked back at my pack and I arranged back to my pack and it said 38 yards. And I was like, what the heck? And then I could see the tops of the, the blades of some sagebrush that I couldn’t really see in the moment that the rangefinder was picking up on. And I was just devastated. I was like, oh my gosh. I’m like, I should have caught that or seen it or, or or whatever.
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But I went back to my, my tent. I sat my target up at 38 yards and dialed my 20 pin. And with my setup it was about eight to 10 inches difference, which I didn’t think it would be that much anyway, but it was just enough just to, I bet I missed him by an inch under his brisket. And yeah, I was pretty bummed. I, and then he disappeared for a week. Oh, I never, I, I just kept pounding it and I was like, man, I wonder if he moved. And I started wondering, well maybe I nicked it somewhere. And just maybe scared him bad enough that he’s completely outta the area or nocturnal now. But I ended up finding him again. And how long ago? A week you said? About a week? Yeah, about a week later. Same basic area or? No, he’d moved probably about a mile.
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And I knew when I saw him and the direction he was going, I had a pretty good idea of where he was going to a water source. It was really hot that time of year when it’s that hot in that type of country, these deer water almost every day. And I was like, well if I run, I had to run about a mile, just, just nothing but my bow. And just took off to cut him off and got set up and, and he popped over literally 30 seconds after I got to where I wanted to get set up. And he just popped up over this ridge at, I think he was about 58 yards when I arranged him. And that time I made it count. So.
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Wow.
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Drilled in, huh?
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Yep.
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How far did he go? Did you watch him go down?
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No. So it was almost dark again. And the shot, I mean, I, I felt, it just felt so steady and calm. I was just so dialed in on the pin and, and it sounded good, but at the same time everything was chaos. He bolted up over this little ridge and then I started second guessing myself, but I was like, man, it felt good. But I, I was like, I’ve, I’ve done this long enough that the safest thing to do is just to give that deer some time and see what happens in the morning. So I backed out. I didn’t even go up to where he was, where he was standing ’cause I didn’t know if he just barely went up over the ridge and I didn’t wanna bump him. So I just backed out, went back the next morning, hiked in to where he was standing and the arrow was right where I thought it would be and just looked like a, a clean pass through on the arrow and walked up over the ridge and he was within 50 yards of where he was hit. He was just laying there piled up.
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Wow. What was your initial impression? I mean, when you walk up, is it, I mean, o obviously that those are moments you never forget, but I mean was it just, I mean, are you the type to celebrate loud or are you just shock off shocking on motionless or?
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It was, it was pretty shock and awe. My dad actually videoed me on the walk up and yeah. And I, I, I couldn’t even talk for a minute. I was just, I think my mouth was just hanging open like a yeah, I was just kind of in disbelief. I was like, man, finally, finally kind of felt like a relief that I got it done and just a lot of emotions of like trying to, trying to chase a deer of that caliber and everything it took to get it done was, it was a lot of time. Invested a lot of work and energy and, and, but definitely worth it, you know.
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So somehow you didn’t have to deal with the general public really
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Well? Yes and no. The area gets hunted pretty hard and during scouting season there wasn’t much pressure because a lot of people glass from the road, a lot of people just drive to little knobs and glass from there, which I’m guilty of doing that too. But opening weekend, they were just, hunters were just piling in all these canyons and setting up trailers at camps and I was like, this is not good. And as far as I know, there was only one other kid that had ever seen this deer alive on the hoof. And that may be his part just ’cause he moved so much and
00:42:03:14 –> 00:42:05:12
Did he, did this, this kid have a tag?
00:42:06:16 –> 00:42:32:05
He did, he was hunting it. He almost, he almost got it done one day and it was a day that, that he, he, it was kind of a funny story. He, he knew, he knew the buck was there. I knew the buck was there. Neither one of us were gonna tell each other about the buck Sure.
00:42:32:20 –> 00:42:32:27
Get
00:42:32:27 –> 00:43:12:07
It. Understandable. And so we’re like, Hey, you seen much? No, I haven’t seen a whole lot, you know, and but, but we both knew the buck was there and we both knew that, we both knew the buck was there, you know, but yeah, I think he was the only kid that that knew it was on the hoof. Supposedly somebody picked his sheds up the year prior, which I’ve yet to see in person. I’ve seen pictures of him, if I remember right. He went 1 95 the year prior. Yeah. Which that’s
00:43:12:07 –> 00:43:15:27
A huge jump, that four and a half. They do it though. That’s crazy.
00:43:16:20 –> 00:43:43:18
Yeah. Yeah. And, and it, it took me a while to like believe that it was the same deer, but after studying it, I’ve seen multiple photos of it and I was like, yeah, that’s, that’s that’s the same buck. Yeah, that’s, he went from 1 95 as a 3-year-old to 2 45 as a 4-year-old and, and who knows what he would’ve been at five, you know.
00:43:44:26 –> 00:43:49:06
Did he, did you say, did you send a tooth in to get cut? You just haven’t got the results back?
00:43:49:06 –> 00:43:51:17
Yeah, really. I haven’t got the results back. Like,
00:43:51:21 –> 00:44:13:24
I want you to reach out. Yeah, let us know. I’d be interested. I I tend to agree about with probably just visually looking at, at the deer’s face and body. Yeah. I mean that’s not, not everything from a picture, but it’s just nice to know it’s Yeah, that’s a 300 inch here in the making on the right year with 7, 7, 8 years old or something. It just, who knows, like you said.
00:44:14:14 –> 00:44:33:25
Yeah. I mean, to tell you how small he was, body, body size is, I was like, you know what, I’m probably gonna, there’s a good chance I’m gonna full body mount this thing, which I ended up doing and I was like, I can pack this thing out over my shoulders.
00:44:34:16 –> 00:44:37:23
Oh man. Small deer. That’s crazy. And
00:44:38:13 –> 00:44:48:11
So my dad helped me, I sat down, we got it adjusted and threw the whole thing up over me and I packed that thing out.
00:44:48:14 –> 00:44:49:21
Cameron Haynes style.
00:44:50:17 –> 00:45:17:22
Cameron Haynes style. Not quite as tough as that guy, but I, I was like, I’m not gonna drag his hide. And it was so hot that I was like, I, I don’t know if I have enough time to, to do the whole skin job on the mountain with no shade in the sun. And I was like, let’s just get this deer off the hill and get in the shade and yeah. That’s how small of a small of a body deer it was.
00:45:18:25 –> 00:45:25:29
I don’t think Cameron’s packed a two 50 buck on his back, but black black bears. Yes. So you got one on him.
00:45:26:22 –> 00:45:28:10
Hey, the horns were heavy. You
00:45:28:10 –> 00:45:44:06
Know, there’s not a lot of people in that club. Oh man. So let’s see. So many questions. Let’s see here. Tell us about, you’ve killed other big deer. Just give us a brief glimpse into that, into the prior history.
00:45:47:10 –> 00:46:27:07
You know, I bow hunted for probably the last 10 years probably. I’ve had more success bow hunting than anything. I mean, I’ve killed a couple nice rifle bucks, but I, it kind of feels like any more, getting a rifle tag is one thing. It’s getting harder and harder in multiple states and a lot of states kind of cater to bow hunters. And on top of that, for me, I’ve realized it’s way easier to locate deer in June July and keep tabs on ’em versus they’re
00:46:27:07 –> 00:46:28:05
Vulnerable versus Yeah.
00:46:28:21 –> 00:46:59:25
Yeah. Versus trying to locate a deer in late September and hoping he’s there October and not in nocturnal and not starting to move to winter ranges or not starting to pre rut and move out of the area. And so it just as far, if you have the time and the dedication, I think the way to kill giant deer is with a bow, especially on general season units, just ’cause no, there’s not very many of them anyway, but
00:47:00:02 –> 00:47:04:21
Gotta go first. We say it all the time. Scout first. Yeah. Get to hunt ’em first, pattern
00:47:04:21 –> 00:47:28:13
Them all that. And when you’re hunting in general type areas, it just feels like you don’t have that trophy hunting pressure. And so some of these deer just, I I get when they’re general and status, you’d usually have a lot of tags and it doesn’t allow for h but but at the same time there’s the, the class of hunter and the, and the dedication they’re putting forward. If this was a unit 45 deer or something like that, you know, there’s
00:47:28:13 –> 00:47:30:01
Just the world would’ve known about like
00:47:30:01 –> 00:47:32:19
Yeah. And there’s so much more professional pressure teams
00:47:32:19 –> 00:47:47:24
Correct. Things like that. They, on a general, nobody’s more 90 whatever, they’re glassing from the road. 8%, they’re having a good time. People are not expecting to even see a deer. Yes. A hundred deer. They’re, they’re looking for correct bucks. They’re just looking for bucks to shoot, pulling in.
00:47:47:24 –> 00:49:06:17
That’s right. Yeah. Right. And that’s what I, what I’ve noticed is a lot of these, these LE tags and premium units, if you have a two 30 buck, you got three, four guides watching it. Oh yeah. With it, three, four clients. And, but if you can go to, and not every state and not every unit general unit is gonna produce big deer, but there are some in every state that can produce big deer. And if you spend enough time in country that can do it, your, your odds of your odds are gonna go up of not having the guys that have the big glass and the guides that spend every day in the mountain to kind of have a deer to yourself. And I’ve watched deer over the years go from 180 to one 90 to 200 to two 10 that never get killed. And you know, they just, they don’t get that pressure in areas that you have to hike to the general units. Most, most people hunt from the roads and that’s, that’s fine and that works for most people. But if you can see it from a road, so can everybody else. Yeah.
00:49:07:09 –> 00:49:31:18
What’s your, what’s your, just like your outta curiosity after the winter we had and after the spring you’re having up there and just with, with the last handful plus years in Idaho, what’s your gut feel on what Idaho, what things are gonna look like this year up there? You know, in a general sense, not asking your hit list bucks per se, but if you want, you can talk about those two, but just in general, let’s talk
00:49:31:18 –> 00:49:32:21
About your hit list bucks.
00:49:33:07 –> 00:49:33:24
You know, general,
00:49:33:29 –> 00:49:36:22
I don’t have my cell number we’re text works chase, you
00:49:36:22 –> 00:50:01:06
Know, it feels like we’re generally moving far enough past some of the bigger winter kill, not talking about extreme southeast part of the state. We’ll just talk about southern Idaho as in general. Yeah. Moving far enough past that and some of those really dry years of like 20, 20 and 21 feels like we’re due for a good year, but it feels like it should be ripening in a lot of places of Idaho. It, it feels like it should be. What’s your thoughts?
00:50:01:07 –> 00:50:46:01
I I think it will be. So we did have those dry years that that horn girl suffered. Deer actually went backwards in those years I was seeing deer that were, you know, at the 200 mark that would drop all the way down to the mid 180 range and just because of lack of feed and, and a dry year. And then they did get hit harder than most people think on that winter. I think it was the winter of 22. 2223. Yeah. That, yeah. That, that winter really affected, well affected a lot of states. Utah, Idaho, Wyoming got hit hard. I spent a lot of time in Wyoming.
00:50:49:16 –> 00:51:34:28
I think they got hit a lot harder than people think. And even the deer in Idaho, the old age class suffered and so did the FA class. And so you have a lot of those deer from that year of 22, 23 that were, that survived that were probably the 3-year-old deer that were healthy and now they’re, you know, the, the 6-year-old deer. And so I think if we can get, I think this is gonna be a good year. I’ve, I’ve seen quite a few bucks already that, I mean, they’re not in the class of that, but they’re, they’re, you know, they’re definitely deer that you gotta keep tabs on. Nice.
00:51:35:29 –> 00:51:36:16
That’s awesome.
00:51:38:00 –> 00:52:08:16
Well, why Wyoming’s Wyoming’s kind of making a slow comeback as well. I mean, I, that year after that harsh winter, I spent 24 days in Wyoming. That was like the saddest 24 days I’ve ever spent glassing. Yeah. I think in 24 days I turned up one deer that was in the 1 95 range and that was just, that was sad, you know?
00:52:10:01 –> 00:52:27:10
Yeah. And I, but I do, I numbers are way down, but I do feel the same thing. The number of older age bucks called five or 6-year-old bucks is, is way down. But they’re, that’s, that’s what’s coming in Idaho or Wyoming. We’re still not gotten huge numbers of two and 3-year-old bucks. ’cause that’s what didn’t survive.
00:52:27:10 –> 00:52:28:10
Oh, deer in general. But
00:52:28:10 –> 00:52:30:12
Yeah, that’s what didn’t survive the fa crop. It
00:52:30:12 –> 00:52:41:27
Feels like the quality’s pretty, pretty darn good actually. Just lower numbers. Yeah. Yeah. What’s on the winter range was pretty impressive considering where we came from the last couple years. Yeah.
00:52:42:06 –> 00:52:52:18
Correct. Yeah. Not as many, you know, not as many and that’s a big range, but there’s still definitely some deer to chase. Nice.
00:52:53:18 –> 00:52:56:25
Alright. I, you’re, I’m sure you applied for Wyoming.
00:52:58:01 –> 00:52:58:11
Oh yeah.
00:52:58:25 –> 00:53:01:29
Probably anxiously waiting for the results unless you, you’re guaranteed attack.
00:53:02:12 –> 00:53:11:18
Yeah, I am. I think that my odds were around 80% I believe on there you go Wyoming. So, we’ll, we’ll see what happens.
00:53:12:18 –> 00:53:17:29
Okay. Alright, well, well anything else you wanna, you wanna talk about?
00:53:19:21 –> 00:53:22:05
Well, I’ll, I’ll send you some GPS locations.
00:53:23:15 –> 00:53:26:22
Yeah. Out in the middle of the cheat grass,
00:53:31:01 –> 00:53:31:10
Most
00:53:31:12 –> 00:53:33:21
Snake infested lava field you can find
00:53:34:09 –> 00:53:37:21
Adam. Adam uses Venmo. He’ll be all over that. Send whatever,
00:53:39:17 –> 00:53:40:12
Find me. I dare you.
00:53:41:07 –> 00:53:41:27
That’s funny.
00:53:43:03 –> 00:53:44:15
All right, well
00:53:44:15 –> 00:53:46:12
Thanks for taking time today. Appreciate with you guys. Oh,
00:53:46:12 –> 00:53:52:07
You be, it’s awesome. Con congratulations. What a world, world class. Amazing deer. Yeah. So.
00:53:52:18 –> 00:53:56:28
Yep. All right, well thanks again for taking time with us today. We really appreciate it. Yep,
00:53:56:29 –> 00:54:00:04
Thank you. Yep. Appreciate it you guys. Thank you. Bye bye.
00:54:01:14 –> 00:54:03:00
There’s a little bit of hope. Yeah,
00:54:03:01 –> 00:54:05:09
It’s awesome. It’s fun to talk to guys like that. Yeah,
00:54:05:09 –> 00:54:05:27
They do exist.
00:54:06:15 –> 00:54:08:03
He, his photography’s amazing.
00:54:08:26 –> 00:54:11:29
So those lip picks do look like they were whoa. You know?
00:54:12:13 –> 00:54:13:07
Oh yeah.
00:54:14:09 –> 00:54:14:28
I mean, stunning.
00:54:15:26 –> 00:54:21:22
They are. Anyway, I don’t know what to say. I guess I was gonna throw a little shout out to
00:54:22:03 –> 00:54:26:06
Disgusting. That’s what I say it is. Is it? Yeah. He’s disgusting.
00:54:28:12 –> 00:54:30:22
Well, don’t think deserves a
00:54:30:22 –> 00:54:33:15
Job. No, no, no, no, no. Not that He’s not just, I’m being
00:54:33:28 –> 00:54:35:03
A 14-year-old kid, John,
00:54:35:03 –> 00:54:35:10
It’s,
00:54:35:19 –> 00:54:41:23
No, he totally deserves it. It’s just, you know, disgusting. It wasn’t me. Oh,
00:54:42:00 –> 00:54:45:23
Okay. Go check out his photography. Tyler B photography.
00:54:46:02 –> 00:54:50:22
John, you got a couple, two or three, I don’t know how many deer tags this year. Yeah, already.
00:54:50:24 –> 00:54:51:11
Yeah, a couple
00:54:51:12 –> 00:54:52:11
Working on ’em,
00:54:52:11 –> 00:54:53:16
Working on trifecta
00:54:54:00 –> 00:54:54:09
John
00:54:54:17 –> 00:54:55:12
Truck problems,
00:54:55:12 –> 00:54:57:00
Putting in some time, that’s for sure.
00:54:57:08 –> 00:55:07:05
Tr camp problems. Alright, let’s, do we want to, let’s wrap this up. We, we were talking about TRO camps a little bit in scouting. Do you want to have that discussion real quick, John?
00:55:07:06 –> 00:55:08:27
We can talk that, talk about that next week too, if you want.
00:55:08:27 –> 00:55:12:17
Yeah, well let, might as well do it now. People busy doing just a brief what
00:55:13:22 –> 00:55:14:00
TROs
00:55:14:02 –> 00:55:35:23
So, yeah, I’ve been pretty hard. I’ve been putting ’em out. I, I mean, this is earlier than I’ve ever put ’em out before. I, I would say, ’cause I mean, they’re barely balling up on, you know, the ends of their ears right now. Yeah. But it, it just, you know, I have got some questions on you guys that have ran ’em earlier. You know, what, what have you seen? What do you look for?
00:55:36:25 –> 00:55:37:29
The best spot on the tree.
00:55:38:06 –> 00:55:39:00
Best spot on the tree.
00:55:39:01 –> 00:55:41:12
So when you’re early, you get, you’re the only camera there. Yes.
00:55:41:19 –> 00:55:43:19
And I got that spot on the, so that was great. Put
00:55:43:19 –> 00:55:46:01
It in your, that was amazing. Black bolt holes from the year before.
00:55:46:07 –> 00:55:46:16
Yeah.
00:55:46:17 –> 00:55:50:29
Yeah. That’s nice. Or use, use the other somebody else’s that was there before you last year.
00:55:51:03 –> 00:55:54:19
I had a little bit better angle than you did. Now you got it. Now you got it. That’s cool. Face,
00:55:55:05 –> 00:56:03:00
Face them north to south so you don’t have the sunrise and sunset because that’ll set ’em off. So that would be ideal. Although it never works sometimes
00:56:03:03 –> 00:56:09:15
Quite like that. So it’s, yeah. I’ve got one or two that, that gets some sun once in a while and there’s just no other option. Face
00:56:09:15 –> 00:56:12:04
Them north all the time, which is where you want,
00:56:12:06 –> 00:56:12:21
Where you
00:56:12:21 –> 00:56:25:04
Want ’em. And then I like scheduled like Right. If I’m on a pond with a lot of cattle or whatever, or a corral with cattle or whatever, I’m scheduling it. So I’m, you know, but you, you will miss a big deer coming in at 11 there.
00:56:26:00 –> 00:56:26:25
But it also, it
00:56:26:25 –> 00:56:27:15
Happens once in a while,
00:56:27:20 –> 00:56:35:06
But usually he’ll hit again another time in the evening night. But you’re also gonna save yourself one to 2000 cow pitchers every
00:56:35:06 –> 00:56:47:24
Day. Yeah. Every day. Yeah. And so, yeah, here, so anyway, there you go. Scheduled if he, you gotta sheriff if it’s a guzzler or something that’s protected or no cattle or no horses or whatever, then, then obviously you can run it.
00:56:47:24 –> 00:56:48:17
It’s a better ride
00:56:49:03 –> 00:56:51:22
All day long. That’s right. Yeah.
00:56:51:22 –> 00:57:01:00
So I actually went back out. That’s why I went back out. I changed, you know, some of them that were scheduled to not scheduled. Yeah. And just adjusted. Yeah. There’s a few that you know that
00:57:01:02 –> 00:57:17:28
They were low. Well they’ll come in uninhibited in broad daylight if they don’t have a lot of other use on that water. Yeah. You know, and what else? I don’t know. I to just quicken mine up. Like, I, like, I don’t like my camera falling asleep. Well, you know, so I like to quicken it up like personally. I mean, you probably don’t need much quicker than
00:57:17:28 –> 00:57:19:23
15 seconds. Think cameras have brains 10 seconds.
00:57:20:24 –> 00:57:21:07
They just
00:57:21:07 –> 00:57:23:06
Act like they can go, they can get lazy, stubborn,
00:57:23:14 –> 00:57:24:29
Lazy, the whole thing.
00:57:25:13 –> 00:57:29:04
They got brains. I, I’ve got my work cut out. I
00:57:29:04 –> 00:57:31:28
Haven’t thought about it. Well, I mean, guy needs to, well
00:57:32:10 –> 00:57:36:18
You do wake ’em out, bear hibernation every spring and somehow they turn on. I don’t know
00:57:36:21 –> 00:57:58:28
How they do. So I do 10 seconds or nine seconds, you know, three shot bursts. One second delay between the burst, you know what I mean? And a nine and a nine or ten second delay. Total. Lots of photos. You’re getting lots of photos. Yeah. But you’re also gonna have every angle. Sometimes you’ll get a deer. You only get him once or twice. He’s using another water. He’s going in on the other side. Your camera, camera doesn’t quite get him. Camera gets his hot.
00:57:59:14 –> 00:58:01:28
You get him a couple times of June, then it rains like crazy.
00:58:02:06 –> 00:58:03:11
Doesn’t show back up, up.
00:58:03:11 –> 00:58:05:13
Just come up for three weeks. You gotta put cameras down. Yes.
00:58:05:21 –> 00:58:14:19
So the other reason I like to run early and I know Adam does too. Just like when you go and you put out your cameras, sometimes you get turned on. If you only had one check, you’re done. Right? Yeah.
00:58:14:20 –> 00:58:27:27
Yeah. So, or or you, you just, you didn’t stay there long enough and, and maybe do a test pick or something like that. And it, your angle is a little, you get in a hurry sometimes you do ’em in the dark. Yeah. Frankly, you’re trying to get home, throwing ’em up in the dark screw.
00:58:27:27 –> 00:58:28:09
I did one on midnight
00:58:28:09 –> 00:58:31:27
The other night. Yeah. Screw at night. And you’re, and then you go back in the daylight and you’re like, realize it’s
00:58:32:14 –> 00:58:33:03
Jan 20
00:58:33:05 –> 00:58:52:07
Degrees off pointing to the water. I’m like, yeah, it’s not really how I wanted it. You redo it. So doing it dirty allows you to catch some of that. Or a setting that was slightly off. Yeah. Sometimes you change the batteries, they wipe out completely Jason and then Yeah. Stuff like that zeroes out and it hits some other Yeah. You know, programming changes your, your
00:58:52:07 –> 00:58:53:03
Time default setting,
00:58:53:03 –> 00:58:56:04
Your date and times are all gone. It goes back to zero. Back to 2019.
00:58:56:04 –> 00:58:58:09
Yes. I realized one of my cameras had 2019 on
00:58:58:09 –> 00:58:58:11
It.
00:58:58:27 –> 00:58:59:25
That probably ought to get some big
00:58:59:25 –> 00:59:05:28
Cameras. Well that’s when my camera was built. Mine were in 2022 this year. ’cause some of mine were, I reprogrammed were back in 2022. But I
00:59:05:28 –> 00:59:08:21
Don’t want to change ’cause we fit this perfect little box back
00:59:08:21 –> 00:59:10:09
Then. No, it’s, Hey, you and Mike got ’em all.
00:59:10:13 –> 00:59:12:05
Same. Oh, I’ll buy yours from you. No,
00:59:12:21 –> 00:59:13:12
I’ll buy yours because
00:59:13:12 –> 00:59:17:21
I know yours. Oh, you will. ’cause they’re wore out. Yours aren’t. I’ll buy yours right now. Trust me.
00:59:19:12 –> 00:59:19:18
Sun.
00:59:20:13 –> 00:59:30:04
Some of them are rough. I, I don’t know. So anyway, I I, I quicken ’em up and go through the photos and or Ashley, I love coming home and just like, here you go, Ashley. I mean, tell
00:59:30:04 –> 00:59:30:16
Me if there’s a,
00:59:30:17 –> 00:59:42:24
It’s like Christmas for her and she doesn’t miss anything. Yeah. I, that’s pretty nice. I’m like, I, I’ll roll through it. I’m lazy. I’ll just roll through it. Start rolling that mouse and pretty soon I just know I’m missing ’em. So I stand up and give her the computer. There you go,
00:59:42:25 –> 00:59:44:09
Man. Take over. It’s over.
00:59:44:22 –> 01:00:31:00
So anyway, John, you’ve already done a check. Sounds like I, I haven’t Yeah. Need to. And then, and then what else? I I take a test pick. So my, my, I I pretty good with this particular model. I don’t usually if it’s daylight, I don’t take it. I don’t look at the test pick. I just cover the lens with my thumb. I force it to take pictures and I watch the number ratchet. Yeah. If the number doesn’t ratchet, it will. And it’s pretty regular. It won’t because when you’re using old cameras or old cards, so then I throw new card in, I lick the card, whatever. So make sure the terminals touch and there’s not dirt in the terminals, stuff like that. Lick the card, throw it back in, see if it ratchets. If it’s not ratcheting, try another day. It might ratchet. Yeah. Just the way it works. And grab another one.
01:00:31:02 –> 01:00:37:29
Throw some new batteries in something. Yep. Sometimes I’ll throw, throw a hundred percent on your battery indicator. Yeah. And they’re not, and
01:00:37:29 –> 01:00:45:15
They’re not especially a white energizer. They, they’ll, they think they’re a hundred for five years, you know, they’re just so white Energizer does something
01:00:45:15 –> 01:00:51:23
And it foolish you sometimes it, it usually fools you on the first of the year when you think, okay, that’s good. I must already put batteries in it. No, that’s a false
01:00:51:23 –> 01:00:55:17
Reading. And then me being a cheap skate, I’ve got a lot that had batteries already in ’em from last year and there.
01:00:55:18 –> 01:00:57:05
What’s your per, what’s your percentage?
01:00:57:08 –> 01:00:59:23
So my, my drop dead 80, about
01:01:00:01 –> 01:01:02:04
70, 75, 80, 75.
01:01:02:19 –> 01:01:09:07
I’ll run it. That’s right. But it’ll probably be dead when I get there. But then I got a fresh set for the remainder of the month. That’s right. Which is the most important part of it.
01:01:09:11 –> 01:01:14:09
I, I don’t know why, but if they’re 78 to 80, if they’re in the eighties and up, they’re good.
01:01:14:19 –> 01:01:16:24
Yeah. But if they’re below that at 50,
01:01:17:12 –> 01:01:18:04
No. Heck no.
01:01:18:07 –> 01:01:21:27
No. And you’re probably gonna lose night picks at 30. Who knows. So anyway, just
01:01:22:15 –> 01:01:22:29
Do you run
01:01:23:05 –> 01:01:24:04
DVR mode or not?
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No. DVR. Yeah.
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So what happens
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Is where it fills,
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It’ll start, it’ll save over top of your old
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Pictures. I don’t, I should,
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Would you, would you rather lose the recent pictures or the
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Older ones? It just depends. ’cause of the rain, like Adam talked about, you might have a bug on the,
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It might only be once you’re, you’re guessing
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Or, or he come in multiple times. But you got his hind in, you got Yeah. His nose right up against your,
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The other bucks triggered it while he got his, then he got his head in there and the 10 seconds to drink, they triggered again. Then he turned to left and the nine or 10, 15 seconds, he didn’t have all of that. It happens. You think it won’t It does. It does. You, you’ll get it just does. Your best bet is he comes back routinely every two to four nights and you got him. But it doesn’t happen then until it gets super bacon hot either.
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Kind of fun. Anyway, so that’s kind of just part of it. There’s, there’s, I did you guys try those self-tappers I gave you for the Not yet this weekend. So there’s some self-tappers. You cannot drill through a tpo. So TPOs metal is like the hardest metal on planet earth. Yeah. You know what I mean? They’re,
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I think they’re meant just to not bend easy with those
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Big you. They just make them out frames from vehicles that are in the crusher. I mean they’re, I don notice,
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But they hard planet
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Earth. But anyway, maybe like devil says
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They’re made outta tridium and radio after I,
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He
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Doesn’t know what that
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Means. It’s probably from some metal in Ukraine. That’s
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Right.
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You know, it’s gonna get rarer and rare. Sounds like maybe. So anyway, best
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In TPOs, we,
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We ended up, there are self tappers that work better than others. So I found the one type.
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Yeah, you found did
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Good luck finding
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Guy gave me a example. I’m gonna, their diamond tip, they cost $296 for 10 screws.
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Hashtag worth it. Anyway. Alright, so that’s it.
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I I did have one kind of interesting thing. I had a camera hidden to just take photos of the other camera and if someone messed with it. Really? Yeah. Any interesting info. Yeah. Wow. So I got a buck on what the hidden camera that
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You didn’t get on the right,
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But I didn’t get on the one that was right on the water. Yeah.
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So you lose faith in cameras kind of crazy. That’s where the Ds, like we talked about the four Ks, they never mess. Yeah, but they’re expensive. It’s hard to run a whole bunch of
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Them. It’s hard to,
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Yeah. So there’s cameras, like there is a value in really making good investment and spending good money. Yeah. But I like that medium range that like the 32 max that we’re running. And then you can go to the cheaper ones that are up close and personal on a guzzler. Those are, they’re, they’re great. But I find, I’m telling you besides the quality of pitcher is they don’t miss the 4K. Doesn’t miss Yeah, you’ll miss And you, and you just think how, what else am I missing? And there was one year I was like, what am I missing? This, this costing me a deer. I’m putting add up all the fuel, like what Tyler was talking about. Add everything. You got into a hunt and then you realize you’re missing bucks. You’re a ticked off unit. I’m just telling you. Yeah. All right. Moving right along you, anything else? We done Logan Berry, you running cameras running like crazy cameras now you are. Keep sending those photos. All right. You
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Got it. Yeah. Is there anything that surprised you over the years of, you know, a buck that grew different or you know, had a spurt you weren’t expecting? Or is it all pretty calculated? You know, I think
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We’re pretty good anymore figured not just us hunters in general. Like yeah. We, we never used to look at rain. Like I look back in year 2019 96 to 2005, I would be like, oh, 2005 was actually a pretty good year. And then when you go match up, what happened there? Waterwise on history, on the weather history. Yeah. It was a good water, good
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Water year
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For, for Nevada. You know what I mean? But then I’m like, oh, that year was exceptionally tough and you look back at it, we never knew that. Now I think people are pretty good at it. It’s almost like you talk to Clay Bunny and those guys on the strip. Yeah. They got it down to the, the science, they,
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They know it’s common or not common. They do for to within a pretty tight Yeah. Reasonable expectation.
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And I know like Greg Ro and those guys, I mean he, he always had theories on heavy rain, timely rain. Maybe more important than overall. And I probably put words in his mouth, but generally speaking, yeah, April and May is important. And, and it is important and I think we’re just better as hunters at understanding what those dynamics are. Colorado, who knows, I can’t tell you when Colorado’s gonna produce big deer or not. Like Yeah. Dry years are not that dry. They’re compared to what we’re dealing with.
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Most of the states covered in mountains and really good upper elevation, summer range, that that just like some places in Utah, like some of our elk in Utah don’t have the wide, you know, wide sweeps up and down. Like say Northern Arizona can
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Have, has a huge sweep. Yeah. Those, you know, up and down. And when you can kind of peg those now that we know more, now that we’re better and you know how we know more, we have ’em on camera. Like before it was just, what are you seeing arbitrarily out in the hills when, when it’s go time. Whereas now with cameras. Yeah.
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Wow.
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Things are off. Wow. It’s amazing. The year is off. Unbelievable. You know what I mean? Yeah. Oh. Anyway, kind of fun. Yeah. I
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Would just say I’ve, I’ve never ran ’em more than probably a month, you know, and, and now it’s, I’m gonna have two solid months. Yeah. You know,
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I’m so, and northern states
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Just that you got,
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You know, Nevada, Utah, you gotta take them down. Gotta pull ’em down by July 31. So there’s no possibility to run ’em for three, four months there. Know for the people that don’t really get, why wouldn’t you run ’em longer? We
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Can’t. Yeah, we can’t. Yeah.
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So buy your s swirl range finders. Buy your cameras, get after it. Yep.
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Get after it.
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It’s time. Shoot
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Sunday afternoons with your bow, with your family or whatever. Get ready. You know, lots
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Going on. Days are long. A lot of time to do stuff after work now, but we’re jammed every night. Like there’s,
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It’s just when you’re,
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You don’t have too
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Much time when you’re in dad life. Oh
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Yeah. I mean, it’s not like you ever have nothing to do. Gimme
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The days back when I was, I mean, I just answered to me and Jana, that was the end of it. Yeah. We had time coming out our ears. Nothing else. We had nothing else. No other assets. Nothing but time. Yeah. Now it’s don’t have any time.
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And I would mention father’s day’s coming up, so if you’re a father and you, you know, want to get your something, get yourself something like now’s a good time
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Call. I like it. Or you wanna buy something for your dad.
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For your dad. Yeah. But I think we have noticed things are not getting cheaper and so sometimes you’re thinking, oh, I’m gonna wait until, you know, right before the hunt, I’m gonna wait till August to buy something. And companies are coming out with, they’re calling it tariff increases and well, or we
01:08:06:03 –> 01:08:41:29
Saw production stop or halt in some instances because of the excessive tariffs or the shipping mostly in Southeast Asia, China and other places. So now there’s a, you know, backlog if you will. We saw it last year on Muzzleloader scopes because it got states like Utah and Washington both changed their muzzle order requirements and yeah, it was a, it was a nightmare. So yeah, don’t wait until right when you’re thinking about shooting your muzzle order two weeks before the hunt, start looking for one of those or anything else that you need. Get it now. Get it now. Or you know, just while it’s here. It’s easy. You know, you’ll, you’ll be grateful you did.
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Yep. I like it. Are we good? We’re good. We’re good. Everybody go get your tickets in the membership drive and get it. Get your name in for the primitive package for the Muzz. Which Muzz and Bose. Are they that primitive bro? Are they
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That primitive? Met out carbon fiber RX nine. I like it. That RX nine,
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That’s my kind. Impressive.
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It’s
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Awesome. But okay, have a good week.
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