In this episode, Adam and Jason answer questions submitted by our listeners on our Instagram. They share advice about Mule deer hunting, application strategies, and stories from previous hunts. We also discuss a controversial topic during our new Epic Unguarded segment: High Fence Mule Deer Hunting.
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Hey everybody, Jason Carter, Adam Bronson, and Logan coming at you from Southern Utah. Just us three here at the table. Logan’s at the keyboard. Of course he does. Good work. Thanks, Logan. You’re welcome. How you doing by the way?
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I’m doing good. How’s your
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Love life?
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It’s going all right. I like it. You saw it firsthand. Yeah.
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So this is kind of interesting. First off, we just wanna say thanks to Fierce for sponsoring this podcast. We love Fierce. Okay. Alright, let’s, let’s dive into this real quick. What
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Do you mean, Logan? You saw what Firsthand. Jason, I’m
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Concerned Logan gave me free reign to his phone without Oh, the, the passcode. So I didn’t get the full, you know,
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Without face facial recognition. Yeah. But
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Unlocked. But while it was open at dinner, then I got to dive into his little, I don’t know if it’s his, the dark side of Logan or the Snapchat version of Logan. I don’t know, but I was responding
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Tinder. What
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Was it he was asking me to Mutual. Yeah. He was having no luck on Mutual. Like, zero luck. Right. You had no game.
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That’s not true. So
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Then
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Don’t insult the kid.
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So he hands it to somebody that is married, obviously snagged a good one and is like, Hey, work your magic. And so then I started typing away and pretty soon there was some, there was, there was heated conversations.
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Yeah. I think, I think you messaged two people in specifically that, both of
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Which replied Yeah. Aggressively
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Were that were pretty into it. That’s that. Yeah. And
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Then pretty soon the this the
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Beginning of a new catfish. Yeah. Cat catfishing
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Scenario.
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That’s catfishing scenario proof. So then I gave, I gave the mic back to Logan and they went dead again. Did they not go dead? They
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Took a few days, but yeah, they went dead. Well, I held on for a while.
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I don’t know what, what you’re doing wrong guy.
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I don’t know. What
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Are you doing wrong,
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Jason? Basically, it’s like you’re fishing with your kid. You set the hook and hand the pole to your kid to just
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Reel it in. Just reel it in.
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And
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They, I mean, they actually swallowed the hook. Okay. It’s in the guts belly
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Deep.
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And then, and then somehow they got off the hook. Well,
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I got pretty good game. But when you, when you come back down to Cedar and all the girls are up in Provo and Orum, I think they just fall right off. Yeah.
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Because, hey, because these new apps are showing your locations. Right, right. I guess I I don’t know how
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That works.
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Yeah, price of gas and price of eggs. Nobody wants to drive that.
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No, no, no gonna be me.
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Nope. You’re gonna need to buy a vehicle that you lend them so that they can come and see you. And then, you know, and that’s, if that doesn’t work out, then you give the keys to that same vehicle to the next girl. You
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Need drive down. You need a roving electric vehicle.
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Epic Company car.
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No, not Epic. No, I think it’s good idea. Epic’s not paying for this. Although we probably, Hey, well, it’s never hurts for a guy to get married. The productivity’s good. Oh yeah. He’s focused.
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I think this is a great idea. Did,
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Did anybody pay me and you to get married?
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No, but, okay, so No, but we were different. That’s
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On their own.
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This is a new age Bronson. Right.
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You don’t have to consummate everything for him.
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Well, this is a new age. This is, things are different now, but I’m just saying sometimes work environments, they go and they pay people for continuing education. You know, things like this. We could pay for some dates knowing that that would help the business. What do you think, Logan? This is a great
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Idea. I’m all in.
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Okay, Logan. I’m not sold and never gotta be a majority vote.
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The one thing you’d have to do, Logan John’s in, is you’d have to off offer them, like when you buy dinner or lunch, you would be like, if you get the special, the drinks included. If you don’t get the special, you’ll the drinks on your own. You know what I mean? Because like, Epic’s only gonna have so much of a budget for food. Oh. Oh, you want
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Tom value
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This? Yeah. Well, you get to choose how you spend it. Okay. But I mean, it might be ice cream or it might be you get the special. So
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Let’s just do a cool 500 a month and we’ll
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Go from there. Geez. Okay. Bring your receipts first and then we’ll reimburse you. Okay. With her signature. I’m out. I don’t know. All right. So anyway, but
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Since Jason’s a family friend, all everything he’s saying right now is, is friend to friend, family to family, friend to
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Family friend. I’m all about helping families. Okay. Become families. I’m in. Go do it. Future families become families now.
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That’s right. But I’ve got my own families and other stuff to do.
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But my, me and my family we’re busy. But anyway, pretty funny stuff. But anyway, keep, keep going. Logan, we’re rooting for you. We’re we’re hoping for the best. Logan, when you do get,
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Don’t put any pressure on you. I mean, well, I mean, just live your best life, all right? Okay. Do good things. Live your best life. People that
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Say stuff will happen. You do you, like, I need, I’m gonna do me, you know, like, I don’t, I, I feel like that’s licensed to do whatever they want. And kind of like, we don’t have conseque, we get to do what we want for a week and don’t have consequences. What’s that little part thing that goes on in Mexico? That little? We get to do whatever we want for a week and not ha not call it a sin. What is that? What,
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What happens in Mexico stays in Mexico.
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What? It’s not that. No, Google it. Logan. Whoa. There’s some kind of, you know, it’s, I want to call it a cinco something, but it’s not.
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That’s cinco
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To my own. I know, but it’s not that. But anyway, there’s a, there’s a party in Mexico and anyway,
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Wow. This is info. I don’t know, Jason, I’d like to know where you learned that. Okay, let’s,
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Let’s move on. We’re going straight
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Into, and I bet Jan would like to know you learn
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About, no, I mean, trust me, I, I’ve hunted in Mexico multiple times and that’s what these guys talk about. This is an exciting time for them. Alright, so here we go. Let’s brownson. Where are we? Where are we going? Are we gonna be unguarded? Speaking of Mexico, are we gonna be unguarded for Speaking
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Of
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Minutes, you
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Brought it up. So let’s talk about Mexico for a minute. Mexico mul,
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Unguarded. So, so let’s, let’s, this is
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Not, we can have that segment at any time of the show. Could be the first. We can
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Middle because we, we own it. But let’s also say this. Let’s do a little professional disclaimer. This does not represent the opinions of all people within the company of Epic outdoors.
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Really, John, you wanna epic
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Outdoors itself. You want, this is based off of Jason and Adam’s
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Opinion. You wanna get John in here and then we don’t have to say that. No,
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This is based off of Jason and Adam’s opinions only. Well,
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That’s okay. Unguarded now starts Now. I don I don’t think we have to say that. That’s, that’s what it is every day. Well, alright. How, how, where are we going? But I guess we’ll just say it. What is up with the rampant nature of high fence hunting down there, but the acceptance of it, both by people going down more and more people going down, shooting him and others also. Good job. He’s awesome. I love him and all that. Are people, have we just over the fact that that is not what it was looked upon about 10 years
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Ago, five years ago when we were young. When we were young about two years ago when we were young, let’s just call it 15 years ago. You didn’t say the word high fence. Like you never acknowledged a high fenced animal. You knew it happened, but it wasn’t something, it wasn’t something that was some that was really even acceptable to Western be game. And I think part of that is, and where
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Did the word estate hunting go
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Estate,
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Why was that born? Is it less offensive than high fence?
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Well, probably it’s maybe a more of a professional term and maybe a possible acceptable outlook. You know, 1, 1, 1 word high fence is two words. A state, one word and what
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Down prestigious. Because you can hand it down, it’s an asset. It’s a broad with the,
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And then I think also there’s, you got SCI why is SCI there? You know, I mean we, we take care of, it’s all encompassing worldwide on top of the fact that it’s okay if it’s high fence and all that. And there’s a record book for that. And for people that are into that, having said all of that, it, it is more, it was like hunter’s band together. We all have differing opinions on what hunting should look like. And so we shouldn’t have fighting in and amongst ourselves. And so then I think we all, I don’t know wanna call it accepting. We just kind of ignored it and just said, you know, we don’t necessarily agree with it as western big game hunter. You
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Do you, you do you or whatever the saying is in Mexico, right? You do you Yeah,
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Whatever, Logan, we kind of Google that at some point. But anyway.
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Well, but the other thing that I, and I think completely,
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But it’s becoming co more and more offensive
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Is because of the diff well, and the difficulty for the lower 48, the normal Western states to kill big mule deer, the difficult, it’s never been harder. And so when you can breed ’em in pens and petri dishes and straws and AI and all that, and that’s a different ai than, than artificial intelligence. You’re
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Artificial insemination.
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That’s right. When you can breed ’em like cattle and get, you know, and do that and raise them, and then four years start whacking them for a great amount of money, it, it’s caught on like wildfire. And people just seem like that’s got to be the acceptable methodology down there. And it’s just, it’s
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Disheartening. I think it is. But I, and it, and it’s devaluing to deer. Yeah. A big deer, a big free range deer is something special. And
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It might even Yeah, it, it absolutely is. And it just begs questions, I guess in, in my mind. Well, like, would that mean, how, how could that mean something to you? That’s my, when my mind looks
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At it, it, it’s true. But I think part of it, I think part of it is
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I, I’m I, I’ll be honest, I, I could, I could raise deer. Why? Because it would be fun to pet a freaking giant deer and to, and to mess with the genetics a little bit and to be like, man, if I get A plus B equals C, what’s this deer gonna look like? Look at this giant frame. Typical versus this non-typical crazy mass. And then Joey is born Joey, the monster mule deer with these different genetics of mom and dad, Sally and Sam, and look at these eye guards that Sam had. But Sally had this, like, I could totally see myself getting into that. I ha shooting one in a, in a trailer in a pin or even a, a 3.9 sided fence. So we show that there’s a little bit of escapement. Like that would do nothing for me. That does nothing for me. I don’t wanna kill him. I wanna pet him. I wanna feed him. I want to, you know,
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Probably like people probably like the people that raise race horses Yeah. Or things like that. That’s like you, the combination of finally winning Kentucky Derby or Triple Crown or just having everything come together with the specimen that’s
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In the and bloodline. Yeah. The history of the bloodlines. And, and there’s more that goes into winning a Kentucky Derby than just the, a luck of a, of the draw. No, I was part of that process. We, we, you know, here’s all the bloodlines, here’s all the, all the horses, here’s all the cults. Here’s who didn’t work out. All of those fun things. But then to, and then this, this is kind of like,
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But
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It’s kinda like the guiding client relationship too, is a lot of the guides follow deer specifically from year to year to year name ’em and everything. And then, you know, a guy draws, let’s say the Henry’s or the Strip or something special and then he ends up taking that deer home. A piece of the guide goes with him that, that that had earned him. Followed him. Yeah. But that’s helped in that like, like, you know what I’m saying? I
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Get that. But I mean that is a, that’s a blood, sweat and tears. Yes. Free range. Everybody else. Yes. Mono on him. Man against man or guide against guide or person against person down there. It ain’t that. It’s they ain’t getting away.
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Yeah.
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They don’t get away. They know what you’re gonna kill. And, and it’s also then what I think’s been happening is even, even low, the lack of the
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Resource, like you said, the lack of the resource
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Is what’s pushing this down. There it is. And then you, and then you run even people down there that are low fence, then you have all the other to, to compete with everybody that you just see that, you know, that’s the high fence, you know, you know, glamor shots everywhere. You can’t compete with it. So then you have, you know, whether it be thermal or thermal drones or flying or selling deer in November, December to the highest bidder on your truck camera pitchers down there before your regular booked clients get down there and hunt ’em. And all of those things are going on in Mexico. Just make it such a place right now. That’s so hard to trust anything that’s going on unless you really know the person, which we know a couple ranches like that. But even you and I have decided, I mean, you know, decided, haven’t, haven’t hunted it. It’s just a different, a different vibe down there than it ever has been. It’s getting worse, worse,
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More of the auctioning. Like, like what you say, a guy can show up and he can go from one ranch and then a hundred miles away hit hit the next ranch and the next day
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And he’s home by the 15th of December. When Jan, Jason, we all remember when we booked hunts 20 years ago, it was all trying to time the full moon, the run all that. It was January, January, January. What we, January
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All January. Always January.
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I’ll tell you now, but I think January they’re
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Dead. But I think, but I think that goes hand in hand with what we’re dealing with up here is technology, technology, trail cameras. Yeah. We, you know, water learning about feed, all, all of those things that now, now you, you know, the big deer get killed in November, December. Well ’cause
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They’re pattern, they’re they’re baited and they’re trca and they know, and then they get sold on on pitchers or,
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Or, or even if there’s a ranch that’s just doing it normal, they’re just hunting ’em earlier. ’cause they know about ’em earlier. Yeah. Just like, we remember when we, I I, so I guided governor tags in Nevada there for years before w right before the tr cameras. And I remember we hunted the rut. Like we, if there was something we happened to have glassed up early, that was big enough, then we killed them early or hunted them early. But a lot of times you waited for the rut because that’s when they were vulnerable. That’s when they came outta the woodwork. That’s when you knew what was out on the landscape. Whereas now, you know, we know what’s out on the landscape with the, the trail cams and all of all of those other things. And so that changed the, the the whole governor tag guiding Yeah. What, what it looked like and what it pertained. All these guys are hunting ’em in August with velvet before they stripped the velvet,
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Before they move vulnerable moves. It’s
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Kind of our and disappear.
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We generally, I I mean I usually will choose archer and muzzle or less effective weapons to hunt sooner, sooner to the cutoffs of scouting or, or, or just mainly you’re trying to hunt deer in their summer pattern period. Whether you know about ’em or whether you glass ’em up, they’re still gonna be in that pattern till, let’s call it late September or early October or later. And so archery and muzz are hunts are time to kill ’em. But anyway, the Mexico thing’s just really been at, at an accelerated rated rate. Unprecedented accelerated rate. Yeah. It feels like of
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What? Well I think part of it is just, is there’s money. These people have a few bucks. Like there’s some money out there. They’re also, you’ve got this group of individuals like us that are coming of age. These guys are well set in their careers. They’ve, they’ve got some money to spend and they wanna put their hands on something super special. And you can’t even pretty much a a, a normal tag in the states. Even if you bypass the draw and you’re, you’re buying a conservation tag, let’s call it a governor tag or some kind of heritage tag of some sort, which they do a lot of good things and we’re, and we’re fine with generally speaking, but to put your money into that or you could go put your hands up. You could, you could kind of shortcut the system. Yeah. And, and go and, and go down there and, and harvest
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Something by ever me, by ever me.
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And put your hands on it.
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Bring ’em home by any means. Yeah. Well, and and it’s also like what happens in Mecca stays in Mexico, how it happened. The details are not not known. I’m, I mean that’s true. It’s a lot of people of a lot of stuff go on and participate of
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Stuff down there. There’s a of night, night night stuff going on and, and night night hunting and stuff like that. So anyway, it’s disheartening. Just,
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And some of it up here, here, I mean, whether it be thermal, whether it be other stuff here in the Lord 48, most states have outlawed that bandit. But I mean, we saw it last year ourselves.
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But Mexico is a special place. Like I, I leased a ranch down there with Marvin James, the late Marvin James for, for multiple years. And then, and then after that a couple of years and, and it is one of those places you could harvest. It’s another opportunity to go down and harvest a or, or have the potential a one 90 to 200 inch plus deer to 15 or 10 or whatever. You get lucky and kill and it’s awesome. It, it, it, I don’t know what it is about it, the place is special, but, but to watch the change, I guess, and it’s what we’re kind of talking about it somewhat disheartening. I mean there’s, you know, darting of deer on, on low fenced areas and taken to high fence areas and all of that stuff. And I think with testosterone, greed and money, all of those things change the what, what hunting down there looks like. Yep. You know, and I, and it’ll be interesting on this, the Trump stuff and, and the, you know, we see it on social media, the targeting with cartels and things like that. Like there’s a, there is an element of of that to people that are hunting near the border. And it’ll be interesting to see how this shakes out. And does it make it safer or is it make it weird? Worse, you know, worse, i, I don’t
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Know, could be a war zone anyway.
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Generally the, the guys we’re working with the outfitters and whatnot, they’re well versed in what they’re doing down there. There’s never been issues super good guys that know what they’re doing and, and have nothing to do with what we’re talking about as far as, you know, the, the estate hunting and things like that. Yeah. So anyway, kind of, kind of interesting. It’s just one of those things that are now staring at us on social media day. On the daily. On the daily.
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Yeah. Just, it just feels weird. ’cause there’s been a state high fenced elk and white till forever, you know, around the west out here for elk and then white tail in the Midwest or, or east. But the mule deer has been newer, been newer in the last, call it 10 years. And man, it’s gone
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To level so’s more offensive. Right. The white tails don’t offend me. Yeah. High fenced white tails don’t offend me because it’s not
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My world. I’d never, and I’d never shoot one. But yeah. It’s just not my mule deer just feels like, geez, for everyone, you gotta put your hands on the good old fashioned way. It just feels, it feels like, man, it’s like you said, sacred maybe a little bit. And that’s me.
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Well, we go back to how to get a tag and hunting within a specific parameter of season date and
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Lawful ways.
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Yeah. Five to nine day hunts or whatever. And and archery, muzzle rifle and, and the scouting that goes into it. And the e scouting or the, or or the boots on the ground or prior knowledge or talking to other members,
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Competition from regular other people out there. They’re just doing the same thing as you are,
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You know, just Yeah. In competition with the state management. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like this deer beat the state management game, you know, they want ’em hooves up at two to three years old or whenever, if they’re hooves up in the back of the truck, that’s a win. Versus in their minds being dead and decimated over a winner loss or over predation or whatever. And so, and and to me it’s okay to lose some of those if the mature bucks, like let’s, let’s try to have mature bucks on the landscape and if we lose some to predation, we that’s expected. If we lose some to once in a while, winter kill, that’s fine. But they’re planning for winter kills, wanting them hooves up before the winter kill happens. And, and, and, and there’s an angle to that. I don’t necessarily agree with it, but there’s an angle to that.
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And so when you’re beating the system, when a, when a deer makes it to six to nine years old and he’s made it through the seasons and made it through the onslaught of hunters that game and fishes put out there to curb CWD for example, in some places in Colorado, we’ve got this specimen that’s special. He made it. And now you and I are all of our members and all of you listening have the chance to get a tag through the draw system and to go hunt during the specified season date. And let’s say you harvest that one deer that made it through the onslaught of hunters or something, how special is that?
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Monumental. Yeah. That’s the Super Bowl.
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And then to shortcut the system and to show it up on social media, like this is something really special, I guess is Yeah. Just where that little bit offensive. Yeah. Slightly. Right? Yeah. It’s right. So anyway, that’s part of this new age stuff. These are, these are the changes that we’ve seen, right. We’ve seen a lot of changes from in the last 20, 25, 30 years. Let’s face it. Like I was booking hunts for Dunn’s magazine under, under the umbrella of, of my dad in 1994. You know, so, so let’s call it 30 years now.
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Yeah. Yeah. You’re
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Old. I’m old. Yeah. And so, and you’ve done the same, Adam, you were in the middle of, you know, getting a master’s in biology and have gone through that aggressive hunting phase and helping hunters when you were a biologist living out of Penguin, Utah. Okay. And so what the, the changes you watch and, and Logan never saw such change. He’s, he’s grown up with what we’re seeing on social media currently. Right? Right. Yeah. You, you don’t even know. And you’ve probably heard it from your dad, your dad’s well versed in hunting and of course Beaver County is and whatnot. But man, when these guys, I mean, let’s just go back to hunting deer, archery hunting deer looked like in Beaver County. I mean, they were, they were riding around in the back of pickup trucks and had quivers Yeah. Upon quivers and boxes of arrows. Yep. Because there was so many deer. Yeah. You know, but these new age biologists and hunters, could they even imagine, could you even imagine though? No, no. Mule deer’s a rarity. So anyway. Well, Bronson,
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What are we gonna kick off? You got a few other, I
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Don’t know,
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Q and as or what are we gonna do? That was a little, we’ll call it a ramp. We
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Call. Are you good? Are you, are you,
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Well, I don’t know.
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You don’t have any closing parting thoughts, huh?
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No, I think I, I don’t think I made it pretty clear what my thoughts.
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Well, all right. So Bronson here, here’s a question for you. The best way to locate a deer, you hunted with archery equipment on the winter range? Not
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Possible. Okay, next question.
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No, come
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On. I mean, come on. God,
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You gotta get out there. How about that? Now, Hey
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Phillip, a tank guy. I mean, it’s really hard to find a, a deer. You hunt on the archery season, you could be talking 30 to 50 miles in some units, 60, 70 miles. Look at Wyoming. Look at some, some of those deer travel from the g and h winter or summer range down to the winter range. So just spend a ton of time. If you gotta at least know the unit that he, where he goes to or guests, then get lucky. A lot of times it gets lucky. Like, holy cow, that’s where this dear winners. Holy cow. And it’s just sheer time. ’cause there’s not a lot of bread crumbing that goes on, you know, unless you have, you know, which you don’t. Nobody does. Like collar data that you know. Well
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Now there’s some of that that’s published like these trails.
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Yeah. But I mean, just ’cause the deer summers here. Yeah. And yeah, 53% of the deer on this unit down through this corridor to the winter range, well, they’re still half the herd that didn’t, so I, I’m just saying it’s a, it, it’s tough.
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It is tough
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To, to hunt a deer with a bow and to find out where he winters so that you can maybe find his sheds. Maybe that’s where this guy’s going. Some units, it’s just strictly elevational. Even in Utah, there’s some units they’ll, they’ll summer here and they’ll win or two miles right below or a mile. You know what I mean? That is the easiest scenario. That is rare. I would say also maybe, maybe not on the Wasatch front. They go up in the basins, they come low. I, but if we’re talking about southern Utah units, I’d say 80 90% of them are fairly high, highly migratory. You know what I mean? Or mixed so much. Even units that deer will leave, like ponant deer, Zion deer will go up and winter clear on the peren front, you know, winter that way against all intuition or all logic. You’d think that’d go south to, you know, the ponds winter range or the coral pink sands or all that. And some deer don’t. They climb up over the mountain and come to para. So there’s always weird things. Just spend a ton of time. And you’re gonna have to get lucky in a scenario like that.
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There was, there were some units up there in like Idaho or Wyoming where you can look at some of the caller data and it becomes public information. Yeah. And you can kind of Google that. Or there’s also a great big hardbound book. Yeah. Based off of migration
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Routes. That’s that one in Colorado to parts of Wyoming or, or I don’t know, remember who published it right now it whether it’s Colorado or Wyoming, GU Fish. But we’ve, we’ve Yeah. Looked through it a lot. Not northern part of the state, you know, and
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Yeah, it’ll show, like if you have a migration type tag, it would show you where to where you could possibly be on a migration route and, and it’s accurate. Yeah. Like these deer are coming on a string. They’ll use specific trails. You, you know that off the sco No. There’s specific trails that’ll
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There are. And that, that definitely happens. You’re still gonna guess and then you’re gonna go down there just, there’s, you’re gonna have to spend a lot of time. There’s really not, there’s so many variables on finding a deer on the summer range. And then find out where does he go to winter. Because a lot of it’s individual, certain deer in some of these southern Utah mountains, literally they, they’ll, they’ll winter at 10, 11 thousands of feet. If it doesn’t snow ’em off the mountain, they don’t even move. They don’t need to move. Yeah. And they don’t. Yeah. And then you got others that the first cold rain in early October and they move 40 miles. Yeah. I’m not talking snow. Just literally a cold rain in early October. You know, some of those paint
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Gorgeous
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Seasons. Yeah. Just, just date on the calendar. Start walking, start moving. Yeah.
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So
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It’s very difficult. That’s a hard thing.
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I know there was a specific name buck that I don’t want to, I don’t want to throw it out on the podcast just necessarily, but I knew guys that figured out that migration corridor knew where he winter Yeah. Followed it back to the summer range and then killed it. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like figured it out. And I think you could figure that out with like more to your Popeye back in the day, you know, they didn’t know as much as we’re knowing now, you know, and not a lot of public information,
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But you’re still, you’re still going with educated guesses of the, probably the masses of the deer that we called it here winter in this 2020 mile, 10 mile, yeah. Basin, whatever, 40
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Mile, 40
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Mile area. Yeah. And then you’re guessing back and then you’re just gonna Yeah. Blitz it with as much manpower or time that you have on the summer range to try to find him there until they did, or vice versa on the winter range till you find up.
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Did I think too is staying, like some of these desert areas will have, they, they’ll shed summer, winter, whatever, all in basically the same basic area. Yeah. And so like out in Nevada, it’s pretty easy. Like you find a pair of sheds,
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That’s a different, that’s a different deal. A deer can live in a five mile square his whole life.
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So a lot of times when know we were shed hunting or, you know, early in life, more so than now, geez. It’s amazing how life changes. But you know, we’re still shed hunting a lot, but, but when you find a pair of sheds all of a sudden you’re like, oh, I, I might be able to kill this deer. Yeah. You know, like that’s not only is it about picking up the shed. You
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Did, you did with your first, well did you find those or one, or did you find ’em when you killed your first two 30? Oh yeah. Did you find ’em before you killed him or while you were killing him? Basically in the act of killing him, Morris
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In the, in the, in the act. So I, I’m walk I’m hiking out. Yeah. My first 200 or 2, 2 30 book. Yeah. Walking out and had seen him. But anyway, and then went around, went around this entire basin, no deer tracks, knowing he’s right in this specific basin. And then hiking out to a ridge to glass the other slopes of the hills I couldn’t see prior. So I knew he was, if he’s not over here, then I, I should be able to see him from over here. I, I pick up a shed on the way in there and I’m like, holy crap, this is him. You know? Anyway, and then shoot him and then on the way back to the truck to drive clear around to go in and retrieve him to, on the way back to the truck in the dark. I find the other shed. Yeah. You know what I mean? That’s, that’s like,
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That’s what just reminded me when you said about Nevada. Like you get deer in places like that and there’s places like that in Utah that just, it’s just deer range. They’ll have some ru will get ’em going crazy, but then they’ll kind of hone back in, in their, in their, you know, bedroom living quarters, so to speak. The densities are so low, you know, in, in those areas that there’s not really competition. So they find their spot and they,
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What I can’t get over is, is how many pieces to the puzzle puzzle different people have. And so one person has sheds to a specific buck, another person knows where he summers and then the person in the middle, or both of ’em are trying to figure out what each other knows to put all the pieces to this deer. What does this deer do?
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Like two beta fish staring each other in a fish ball.
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I love the beta fish. I love that.
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It’s just, ah, who’s gonna give first? Who’s gonna show a week? Ah, yeah. Come over to
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My office and then if I give him a little info, is he gonna give me the right info? And then lemme
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Show you some velvet footage I got from last August. Okay. Little did you know if the deer’s down, dad, you
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Show me, I show you, you know, just a little Anyway, but hey, good questions. You know, I think too time, you know, the younger you are, the more time you have, the older you are, you have less time, but maybe a little more, you know, financial means to do things. And so you, there’s always this trade off, but I think kids that are out there aggressively hitting it on the winter range and have a better chance than you and I, you know what I mean? But, but, but we, there’s things that we have that just come with age and, and a little bit of wisdom. So bonus points.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. We have point layers. Case in point. Well no Loie bear actually has freaking
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Legit. Yeah, your dad was good. Your dad was good. I know he did what we did with our kids. But you’re one of those, you’re reaping the rewards. You’re so much, you were on the verge of drawing an Arizona elk tag this year that you thought you might have a chance. Yes. Which put you into the twenties. Put you into the twenties I think, right? Yep, yep. Or high teens. I don’t know where you are. No. Yeah.
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High twenties right now. Yeah. Anyway. Alright, let’s see. I, we have this guy that’s asking us to do this, this voice of one of our clients. And I don’t know, this has to be a, a plant. Yeah. But I’m just thinking
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Jason has zero followers and zero posts.
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I know. Because I don’t know what it is, but I’ll do the
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Voice. So
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It’s someone in the office. I’m gonna ask you the next question in this voice, just so we can suffice that and we can check it off
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Just so you can scratch it off. All right. Well, I don’t know. I better be able to understand you.
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I don’t know. This question is for you. How widespread is the Alaskan sheep population Dis decline? Is it as bad as some people make it sound
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Alright, back to normal Jason boys. I’m over that when I check that box,
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I would say yeah, of course. In our lifetime it is as as tough as it ever has been. Yeah. And not just in the obvious areas like the Alaska range, which they’ve closed down, you know, hunting in a lot of areas. But I mean, the Brooks Ranger is tough and, and part of it is because when you close an area down now there’s, there’s pressure, whether that be non-residents going other places, obviously they can only book so many spots. But even if residents of Alaska know certain places got hammered, annihilated, it’s natural. If you go out there and scout, even if you don’t have a super cub word on the street, or if you do have a cub and you’re not seeing anything, you’re gonna go look somewhere else. So it’s naturally that brooks range wr you know, other stuff ness they’re gonna take, take the brunt of that pressure.
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And yeah, I’ve, I’ve not seen it this difficult in my lifetime flat out. So that, you know, the, the shortage of doll sheep openings in Alaska is also another testament to that. Very few outfitters have openings. Those that do not always, but a lot of them have had somewhat marginal success rates in recent years as they’ve had their own struggles, even though their airs are open and you know, they don’t have a quota in Alaska. It’s not like, you know, the stone sheep in BC or something where the government tells you how many you can kill and that’s how many tags you can kill in a three to five year period. And they have kind of an annual, you know, this is how many we take. It’s not like that in Alaska. So there’s gotta be a lot. And a lot of times I’m not putting it all in the outfit.
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There’s a lot of times they don’t know until they go hunt a year after, after the big, big winter. They’re like, oh geez, yeah, this is this, this, they took it hard. We’re dealing with a lot of maybe four to 6-year-old rams and a couple squeakers, seven year olds flirting with being full K crew. And it’s hard. And then every year it’s hard to get out of that. ’cause as soon as those small cohorts of rams get seven or eight in full, full curl, they’re getting killed. Because let’s face it, these sons are 35, 40 $5,000 in Alaska now. And
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They’re no joke. I think that’s, you
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Don’t just go home and try it again next year.
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I think it goes back to the same thing with the scarcity of milder scarcity of sheep. The scarcity of anything and everything. Stakes get higher. People want ’em more. There’s a more a concerted effort. More emphasis. Get one, I gotta get mine before they’re all gone. Yeah. This whole, this perception of that. But winners come and go and things, you know, they’ll bounce back. I think
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It’s just, they’ll in time you need a, you just need, you’re gonna need, you know, several years of modern really good lamb production. And then you gotta fast forward seven to nine years after that before you start seeing ’em show up in what you’d call a legal ram age for Alaska. And yeah. By that time, who knows what costs are gonna be like ’cause yeah, it’s, it’s, it’s a little, it’s just one of those realities of life. It’s like houses right now, vehicles right now, price of sheet hunts right now. Everything is like so crazy high than higher than we, it, it exploded faster than anybody was prepared to accept. Not just stone sheep, but even doll sheep to some extent. And yeah, it’s outpaced the, the, the, I don’t wanna call it the dream, but I guess the dream of a lot of people that wanna hunt sheep kind of surpassed, you know what most people can bite off. My first
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One we booked for 7,500. Yeah.
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Minus 5,000, maximum 6,000. Yes. I mean, yes. And I know those weren’t that long ago. Well, but they were in the two, mine were in the two thousands.
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Okay. Mine was in 1996. But, but it was, but at the same time we’ve also had inflation. Yeah. Things
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Are different.
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It’s natural things are different, but, but nowhere near what they’re, what they’re at
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The last five years that accelerated. Yeah. And Covid also played into that with Alaska as Canada was shut down for that, let’s just call it two years. They did open last minute on the second year of Covid and some people came in, but it, it was really two, they didn’t have the, the number of non-residents yet. And so during those years, whether it be doll punts, whether they be caribou, moose, whatever, every hunt that available in Alaska could get booked. Right. Because that’s where you could go as American. You could go to, you could go to Alaska, you couldn’t get into Canada, you know, at all. Unless you’re, you know, it was closed. And then even when it opened up, then you had the vaccine restrictions. Some people were like, I ain’t going there. So Alaska just accelerated and, and it’s, and then you have the shortage of sheep on top of that.
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So there’s still not, not been a correction there, there won’t be a correction either. A lot of people ask us some of these things that were coming down, I think goes down to what you’re saying, there’s just a sheep are the, is it’s a finite resource. Mule deer. Hopefully we have them in such higher numbers collectively throughout the west that if we can string together some good years have mild winters in the winters in the states that have hard winters. And that being their limiting factor. And you have in the call it desert southwest states, you know, string together a bunch of years. We have good fong crops for three or four, five years in a row. Then think then there feels like there’s yeah. More plenty to go around. But
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I know I, yeah, and I hate to go back to milder, but it just feels like, it just feels like, you know, that the game and fish agencies are losing the, the, the, the people are giving up, like the hardcore hunters are giving up the cha the, the, the fight of of and, and let’s just call it trophy. But it’s, it’s more just having
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A good mix of some older
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Structure. Yeah. It’s just, and so you give up because you’ve never win. You never win. They always win. And then they want your help when we, it’s come to fight and fight and the wolf battle or they want your help and it’s coming to fight this or that or, or guzzler issues or, or projects or whatever the case may be. And they can’t understand why, you know, oh, this is just all, we’ve never been able to get along. We game and fish gives up too, you know, and or whatever. And it’s just, it’s like I told one of our local guys, like, you don’t always have to be right. Like, you don’t always, it doesn’t always have to go your way. And it doesn’t always have to be up us against you. Like, it’s okay if there’s a differing opinion than, than just selling the maximum amount of tag.
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And, and so anyway, then I think what happens is they say there’s a silent majority of people that want to just go hunting. But where are those guys, why are they so silent if they’re so, and, and be, you know, why they’re silent. ’cause they’re not passionate. The passion is what creates the, the people that are willing to work, willing to put in a g they’re willing to think outside the box, willing to hate help a state agency willing to, you know, work together. The silent majority is just, they’re just weekend warriors. They’re gonna hunt a week out of the year and go back to their regular life. And we need those guys to hunt. We need them. We need their voice. We need to show that there’s a, a pro, pro hunting, pro hunter, you know, aspect to it by, by the droves. There’s hundreds of thousands, millions of people that are pro hunting. But the, but the heavy lifters are the people with passion. You know what I’m saying? And that passion. Have you not seen it Wayne? A little bit like people are like, ah,
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Getting brow be a little bit too much. Yeah. Maybe some of those passionate people
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Maybe. Yeah. All right. So let’s see how wide, let’s see deer and elk archery open the same day. What do you target first if you pattern the buck and bull? Both. So what do you, what do you target first?
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A hundred percent the deer. I mean, it’s just everything we’ve been saying today by accident. That question teed it up. Yeah. I mean, it’s been teed up. Yeah. So hard to kill a deer even when you know where one is in living, let alone when you have to get lucky and kill one. So absolutely. Go after the deer. Did it, did it say archery?
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Yeah, archery.
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Okay. Dear, dear, dear. Because later in the archery in what happens with elk, they start screaming their guts out. Yeah, you can find him again. But
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If you got ’em patterned I know, but if you got ’em patterned, you want to kill that bull before he leaves the wallows before. But
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You have both, you have both found, I think this thing says you have both found. Yeah. Which one do you pick?
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Yeah, depends on the big, how big they like If I got a 486 point. Okay.
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Okay. Okay. I’m just, let’s just say 220 inch steel deer.
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I, I got a general deer tag with a pengu lake elk tag. They don’t necessarily open the same day. I think
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They’re trying to talk in the, you had a good one of both. A shooter or both, let’s just call it shooters. Different from everybody, whether that’s 1 75, 1 90, 200 plus two 10. Yeah. A shooter of both milder every time. Because sometimes pressure alone will make him go dark. Yeah. And anyway,
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So that’s your, so that’s,
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That’s my final answer.
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Well, and and is it because you
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Well, I know how much days you’re gonna have to put in to hopefully kill it. Sometimes they happen fast, but sometimes they don’t. And with an elk you might kill, I’ve killed elk in 15 minutes before.
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Okay. Okay.
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I say that in Jess
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That that did happen for all of you people. Why don’t, don’t we talk about that for all of you people
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That laughing. This is Eric. I’m not that good about
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This. This is Well,
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I just, I’m just saying
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Like why it says they’re big yellow school buses. You don’t have to be No, that’s not true. That is not true. I just had to throw it out there for fun and get some of the other,
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Collectively.
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Collectively, let’s just say, let’s just talk about that story real quick. Arizona unit 27 years ago, I
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Think we already
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Talked about Adam. Bronson rolls in 20 seven’s kind of a rugged deal.
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Rolls into my, in my Cs, you know, you driving eight hours or nine, whatever, 10 your
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Hush puppies. Well, slippers
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Didn’t have slippers. Probably didn’t have hey dudes back then, but whatever Levi. Call ’em Levi’s denim. Get out, drop the tailgate, you know, get my, you know, get my bow case. You know, I had a, I don’t know, had camper show something on a, on a truck drop. It got my bow out. You know, you gotta put your quiver on your boat, get, get all dressed in camo, get your hunting pack, whatever that took. Okay. Call it 20 minutes. Hike up the trail that I was there on. And I’d seen a good bull in the area about 10, 15 days early when I was down there. A really good bull. So I was going there in mine to try to glass up that bull that night. I
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Like it.
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Walked about
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Seven to 10 minutes uphill up this trail. And it was really windy. Heard what I thought was I busted an out, I thought I ran into herd out because I just heard branches breaking. And you know, when you hear that and you’re out country, you figured you blew herd out. Yeah. Or why a cow or something like that. But I kept hearing it over and over and I realized that’s a, and it was really windy, so I mean, you couldn’t hear very well. It was a bull raking just destroying a tree. And I was in a thick, thick kind of pine, you know, you know, combination ponderosa slash you know, cedar forest and I, so I knocked up and what do you do? You start walking fast as you can towards, it’s like when you hear two bulls fighting, what are you gonna do? Rush ’em,
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Rush him and try to get it to where I can’t see the color of my vehicle.
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That’s right. It’s to where
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For some reason I always think I, if I can see my vehicle, he can too. Yeah. And he doesn’t need to see my vehicle. That’s
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Right. And you want to get so close that all five of your pins only take up about three inches on the elk. So
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That’s right. That’s, that’s what you’re trying to do. That’s what you’re trying to do.
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And that’s what I, so I start and then all of a sudden as I’m literally fast man, last of the Mohicans running through this forest. It’s, it’s probably within a hundred yards. So it’s not like I had a long ways run, but I am, you know, I’m knocked up and I’m, I’m going. And then I heard it stop. And so when it stops you’re like, you gotta stop. You stop.
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You can’t, you Now it’s silent. Now there’s a stalemate for,
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Yeah. For 30, maybe 60 seconds, but probably only 30 to 45 seconds. It’s quiet. And I’m like, okay, he quit. Which way is he going? Is he just standing there? Has he got a headache? Do you shove a stick through his eye? What, you know, whatever. But he was tearing this place, place apart. So I decided to let a little cow call go back behind me, you know, I had a grunt, do cow call that thing within 0.1 second bugles. And he had actually been going the other way and, and he ran me over, basically turned, ran right in, coming straight on quartering toward me, hit him right behind the shoulder. But he’s, he’s coming straight at me with a little bit of quarter, hit him right behind the shoulder, but angled all the way through him and actually came out in his hind quarter. Wow. That’s how, that’s how far quartering he was. And ran down there, died a hundred yards from my truck. So the color of my color of my truck, you know, he didn’t know that he, what was
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Your It was, that wasn’t the orange one
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Probably. What do they call that?
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Was it,
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Was it tens last pewter? I don’t know. Oh yeah,
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That was
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Silver, gray, brown, whatever. But anyway, it wasn’t a minute ago that it was a fun, so, but I’ve said that before, like when I hunted mule deer in Nevada killed the buck the first night a couple years ago and last year I said the whole time the law of average is gonna catch up to a mean it sure as crap did. So I’m expecting that in Arizona this time. The law of averages you
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Hunt. Well you’ve gotta say it because actually it’s reality.
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That’s
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Reality. People are kind of dissing on the unit and, and, and it has, it isn’t prob it isn’t what it once was. But, but I’m excited for you to go down
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When you draw a ran that’s only been, I dunno, six, seven years ago. Yeah. So all like, you’re just a mercy when you draw a random tag, you just go, go hunt hard. Have a blast. It was a gift.
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Pretty awesome. We’ll take it. Right? I’m
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Tea about
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We take the gifts, we would take it.
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But totally teasing that, hey elk take 15 minutes to kill. They go. If it happens once, then that’s just a good story. You can always
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Say that. I’ve killed, I’ve killed. What’s funny is I killed a big deer in Nevada in one day, the first day. And I was like, no, this can I, I was booking hunts for the next five years as if it’s gonna be one to five day hunts, you know, and it’s like, has not happened since. Yeah. What it feels like. Especially
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With the
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Ball. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, yeah. And that was an archery buck in my office. But yeah, I just pick
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Your, pick your, anyway picked I’d picked deer, you’d picked deer two even though you’re trying to ask me thought provoking my question 400 inch, six point, blah blah, blah. You know, I,
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You just fleshing me out here. But I do why it does, whyt had an interesting, we had an interesting podcast where Wyatt, he teases about not caring about elk, could care less big yellow school, but totally diminish, diminishes the value. And we know that’s not true. He’s in, there’s not a bulk guild. He doesn’t know the history of, figures out the history of it has connections or whatever. Like he’s into it. He
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Just got frostbit one too many times something bull. That’s all it was in January’s.
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And so it’s easy to talk about him in a warm room podcast room where you’re like, nah, I don’t wanna leave this room. I like it right here.
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Yeah. So much so that I didn’t he pick Wasatch early? I,
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Come on. Come on. Not gonna happen. No, not gonna happen. He went up and hunted Wasatch for moose with his dad or something. And I don’t know if you’d get him go back, although they had a great experience. I don’t know. All right, let’s see. Where, where, I don’t know, these are just kind of good questions. I think let’s dive into the youth for a sec. Maybe just to Okay, yeah, change it up a little bit. We all, we
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Lived, all of our kids are no longer youth, so we’ve got, I guess you’d call it experience
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Youth. You don’t, you don’t have any kids that you know about, right?
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No, none that I know about
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You and Logan. Come on. Don’t phrase it that way. I just, I I know exactly right. I just like teasing him a little bit, but all right. So what age did you really take your kids hunting? Not just, and maybe we’ll let Logan start this off. What age do you remember that you were, your dad took you hunting? Not just trick rides or quick glassing or I’m going to, you know, go out on a Sunday afternoon in the name of, you know, being with the kids and take having some family time. When did you actually go hunting?
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I mean, my earliest memories are setting show cameras out west with my dad. So that was pretty serious. But that’s, that’s not what he’s talking about. I remember like, probably, probably two hunting seasons. I really went and walked with him and before I could hunt, so that would make me like 10. Yeah. About when I was 10 I was walking with him and glassing with him and riding the four wheeler and doing whatever. So yeah. Yeah,
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10 10 I
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Was about right out west is different for, you know, your folks like in Texas or the south, your kids, they can kill whenever they can. Six or eight, whenever they can see through a rifle scope, pull the trigger. Wow. So it’s a little bit different out here. There’s legal, I guess they don’t have to have a tag to, to go. But Jason, both of you and I took at least one of your boys or one of mine. We went to New Mexico when they were like nine, nine, you know. Oh,
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Killed the first buck. Yeah, that was Colton’s first rifle buck kill. What’s that? What local?
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When did we go to Arizona? That was my first hunt and that was way before that was nine. Well, you had
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What you,
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What’d we do there? I can that
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Halina. Oh,
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Did
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You hunt? Ha Melina,
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Jason. Yeah. We, okay, so bumped
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Brake. I thought you bump the brakes. I thought you said you never hunt,
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Bump, brake.
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He was, he was into it. Thanks slogan.
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I appreciate
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That. So this new six five heavy gun, you, you who better us to chime in on the dimensions of that caliber?
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We, we went down there. And then we came home. Okay. It,
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It was a quick trip.
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Why? It was ter it was just snow
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And it snowed on us like crazy. But yeah, I had to have been like nine then,
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So Yeah. I I didn’t know that was your first trip. Hey, Logan, me and you go back.
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We do. Yeah. Way back.
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I like it.
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First one where you went with the grown man out state and all that. Right.
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Serious halina hunter, you wanted
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To call it say grown. Amen. Yeah. But anyway, yeah. So Colton was nine when we actually harvested. Yeah. And I’ll never forget that. That was, we stayed in a little popup camper in the back of the truck and it was like negative five at night. Yeah. It was terrible.
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Yeah. Ty was the same thing. And we actually, he shot a coyote before the deer. And to this, this deer was a fork. It was just a buck That was, he killed a Kyle
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New Mexico unit 23.
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Yeah. And it was when he was nine and I think maybe, yeah. One of your other kids had one that year with, I don’t know if Sean did, but we got, they might’ve been leftover tags. I don’t remember.
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I don’t. But we saw might us spiked up by two and, and it was, that was the best we saw. Well, except remember driving in, we actually saw some off the road
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In the thick, but I think the season wasn’t open yet.
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Yeah. It wasn’t
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Open yet by a day or two.
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And then the kids were like, dad, let’s go back and shit. That one I’m thinking it’s a thick pine forest for
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Miles. We went and looked, I think, but it was like, what are
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You gonna do? What are you gonna do? There’s no deer. Yeah. Right.
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But anyway, that was, but, but I think just before that, not much before that, you know, there’s certain hunts you can trail ’em on. I remember taking Ty around, you know, on the Zion tr hiking ’em way harder than I should. And you kind of find out every once in a while, like, okay, how much is your kid capable? You don’t know how much he’s capable of till you do do so a big death march. And I remember doing one of those with him, and he was, I’ve got pictures of it. He’s probably, what, seven or eight? Just a big long old loop day guide or scouting for sheep, but yeah, nine. So nine, I guess. And that’s,
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I took mine, maybe it’s about right. I took mine and I remember Sean, I took a little too early and it, it’s kind of one of those heart wrencher stories, you know? He, he just, we were hiking, we were out there in Southwest desert and I was scouting for elk. And anyway, there was this big knob and we’d gone in on a fat cat motorcycle. Okay. No helmets, no nothing. Just doing what dads do. Right. Living our best life. And he’s in front of me and we’re just, we’re going up and I grab, you know, I’ve got my backpack on or something. Anyway, we start hiking the hill and I’m just owning this hill like you do when you’re, you know, a young dad. And, and I know in the back of my mind, like, I’m gonna wait for Sean, I’m gonna wait, I’m gonna wait. And all of these things. And I was just like, anyway, we’re hiking this hill. And he, you know, anyway, at some point he calls my name and I, and I go back to him, you know, and, and I, I’m keeping track of him, just, just like a, you know, a dad would. And he looks up at me with these great big alligator tears and it almost, it just kind
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Of puppy dog eyes. Oh,
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Dad, are we, and he don’t, he just says, he says, you know, are you going to, you know, would you, if I can’t keep up, would you leave me? Oh, geez. Like, would you just, would you just leave me? And, and I was like, oh, geez, I would never leave you. I mean, I would, and I, and I guess it just kind of really hit home of, of
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Don’t get too far ahead of him, even though you’re keeping
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An eye on him. The vulnerability, the vulnerability of, of a six or 7-year-old in the, in the big wild And
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That, that was, and that, that thought is what bothered him. Not the fact that he thought I, you know. Yeah. You know, I’m not keeping up on my dad. It’s just if, well, there’s a hundred. I wonder, I wonder if he’d left me, what if he got too, would he, would,
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Would he just leave me? Would my dad leave me? Like, like the, you know, like, and my first off is like, how could you question my love for you? And so there’s all of these things as a young dad of don’t, do you trust? Do you not trust me? How could you question that? And, and I would never leave you. Yeah. I’d actually carry you to the top. You know? Yeah. And, and it just kind of made me realize the vulnerability that kids could feel in the hills, you know, know, is I would never leave him. I would never leave him. You know what I’m saying?
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Oh, yeah. And I’ve had some pretty interesting talks in tents, pitch black tents, winds blowing noise noises outside when they’re little. And kids, kids’ mind go a million miles an hour. They’re convinced it’s this, that, and the other bears lions stuff that you’re like, you know, if you weren’t here, I’d be sleeping under the stars. They, you don’t wanna tell that to ’em, but like, you’re in a tent just so you have a little bit of it. Yeah. But
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I remember, I remember being vulnerable. Yeah. Like, I, I mean, so when we were young, Bronson, did you, did we have cell phones or anyway, communicating. And so you’re always in the back of your mind, okay, we have janky trucks. Remember Carbu rated trucks back in the day, you know, similar to what Logan’s probably driving now. No, actually you’re not, you’re driving a wazoo, freaking F-150. But, but it’s in your mind that dad’s not gonna make it back to me. He could have a heart attack. He could the truck.
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You’re just a kid. Kids just, you’re just a kid. Kids minds just go.
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Yeah. And, and my dad, you we’re gonna raise tough kids, and so you’re gonna sit here to meet me back at this road with no GPS. We didn’t have GPS, we didn’t have phones, we didn’t have radios. So you’re gonna sit here on the road. I’m I, where I drop you off is where I’m gonna pick you up. Okay. And he wants you out there, wherever I, I was a human trail camera and a tree stand or whatever, and I’m gonna pick you up this spot on the road. And the first hour goes by and no dad. Right. But it’s because he’s on the other side of the unit or whatever. And didn’t really
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Talk about all those details like that. No. Will you be here? I’m gonna be an hour and 20 minutes after dark. If he’d have said that, you might, but, but you, he, maybe he did, but you’re like, just a kid. Yep. I’ll be there, dad, don’t worry.
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And then I’m sitting there,
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And then the reality sits in
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And you sit there next to a tree. How quiet does it get? Do you not hear everything? This is the LaSalle Mountains where it’s full of bears and you’re just a kid, so you don’t know that. Well, there’s been, as far as I knew, there never been a
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Bear bear mulling in history.
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Never been a black bear. Yeah. Mulling in history. Except for now we hear about Arizona and now black bears are bad, but it never happens. And so you’re just like, here I am, you know, this three foot 10, you know, 82 pounder, you know, and it’s just a big,
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My flashlight batteries went down.
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Yeah. Bugling, elk, bugling fighting and, which is really cool. But then there’s also, when it gets really quiet, you think, you hear and see everything anyway. And so I’ll never forget too, Sean, I took him on a deer hunt in Nevada and we got video of it. Oh, I remember this one. Yeah, I remember. So cute. It’s like, he
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Was probably, yeah, a little older, but yeah, but 10 or 11. But like, maybe like, he couldn’t hunt. Not he couldn’t legally
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Hunt.
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He could not hunt. He wasn’t 12. But I remember this. And Jason, I killed the deer today.
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Yeah. I was like, I killed the deer was a good one. Well, you know, it was one of those, Sean was with me, mercy kills for, for, for Sean. Oh, yeah. And so anyway, he was like, I was like, should I shoot him? He goes, yeah, dad, you need to shoot him. You know, a little lisp that he had. And anyway, he was, he’s, you know, he’s got a cheater dad, you know. And then anyway, we, we go up to the deer, we kill him. And it was just good for him. And I, and then walk up to the deer and he goes, he thought he was protected Honda. Like, I mean, just the awesomest memory ever. That’s all recorded. And so kind of a family little thing. He didn’t think
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We could see him. Did he died.
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Yeah. He thought he was protected. So anyway, hunting’s awesome. But I would say early, just remember, you know, as you’re a young dad and you’re crushing a hill or something, these kids’ minds go crazy and, and just take that into consideration. But I would say take him 6, 8, 10, you know, as early as you can. But, but again, they’re, I think too, being patient of it’s, you’re not gonna, you might not be able to, you know, hunt the, the, the way you would run by yourself or your buddies. Yeah.
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And, and don’t force feed ’em more than they can chew. Yeah, I would say that too. Let ’em, let ’em give ’em little bites at a time and foster it. Foster what they like, take away what they don’t like about it, whatever that is. Until, you know, if you force it, force it somehow. Sometimes kids just say, I don’t wanna go anymore. I put up other people tell me that.
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And there was times I would say, I remember specific times when he took me a lot. Like we were trapping, we were doing all the wildlife stuff, DWR stuff and whatnot. And it was a lot, like, there was times I was like, I hope he doesn’t invite me. Like I don’t want to go anymore. Like, you know what I mean? But I think there’s just that period of time. I’m glad, I’m glad that, that I didn’t develop other aspirations in that time when we, when I wasn’t so enthusiastic about it. You know what I mean? Like, I’m glad we’re, yeah. Hunting.
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Yeah. Well, we didn’t have as much back then, frankly. I mean to, I, I call it distract. We had athletics and sports, but I mean, didn’t have phones, didn’t have iPads, had a TV that you had tinfoil on the antenna up top just to get a Salt Lake channels, you know what I mean? It was, you made your fun. It was a different era too. I, I mean so many of my friends growing up, of course growing up, you grew up Moab most of the time I grew up Monticello. So it’s like small town, you walk outta your house and you’re doing something cool and, but everybody’s packing BB guns and both and all that. It was just what, what you did. It was fun time. Simple time.
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Yeah. Simple time. Yeah. Well bring those times back, you know what I mean? Bring those times back. But, alright, well let’s see. Bronson, yeah, one 90 heavy, three point with a lot of mass, 28 wide three inch chi guards. I mean, this guy’s really prescriptive.
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I’m shooting that deer right now, I can tell you.
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Okay. Or a 60 inch orx. Okay. They don’t make ’em,
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They don’t make them. But the deer, that’s a cool deer. One 90 plus three point heavy, wide whatever.
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190. Yeah. They don’t, they don’t make Well what about a net book? Don’t
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Have one of
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Net book. I don’t have one of those. Geez. No, neither do I. Anyway, so, all right. We’re taking the deer. How about that? That’s great. Well, it’s easy to say you’ve killed Noex. I haven’t. I’m taking the deer.
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Absolutely.
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Pretty easy to say for me too. Alright, so how can we as hunters stay aware of hunting issues prior to them almost being taken away or may maybe hunting issues prior to them actually occurring disappearing? Yeah, I don’t know if he’s talking about, I don’t think he’s just hunting issues in general prior to them actually coming to fruition. So it
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Feels a little hard this day. I mean, if you’re just on a, you know, obviously most people are most passionate about their, their state that they’re resident in. That’s normal. That’s whatever. But it just feels like just applying in that state and you check the box that says, keep me apprised of, or whether you don’t check the box, they still email you all the time about public meetings and stuff like that. So I, I don’t know how it doesn’t feel like with, in this day and age, with social media, even if the state doesn’t alert you, ’cause they don’t want a lot of people, you know, to come protest the, the wolf stuff in Colorado. The, the hunters groups in a state like that we’re very good about spreading the word and sportsman rallied, rallied. So I guess the simple answer is, yeah, unless you, you know, don’t have an email, don’t have social media, you know, it’s hard not to know about things when they’re coming.
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At least proposals or, or proposals or hey, five year season structure and other changes coming to Colorado that was so documented. They do it like a year, year and a half in advance. Like, I don’t know how you can miss a time to input on that or go speak up on that. And that’s just one example. Utah has the same thing. We have public meeting processes on the regional level, then the statewide level. I know most other states, Nevada has cabs and the wildlife, I mean Arizona, they all have commissions and boards. And some of them of course are, you know, what we don’t like are are the ballot box initiatives that just get, you know, enough signatures that they get something put on the ballot and then you have to really react fast by November, whatever to rally the troops to, to not let something pass with a, usually just a simple majority. But those ones are the hardest ones. I think moving in, moving in, in the future. We’re seeing ’em in other states, you know, when it comes to bearing lion hunting with dogs and whatever, you know, it just, those probably aren’t going away. Makes me grateful in Utah that, you know, whatever it was 25, 30 years ago, we had some laws put in place at the time that made that much more difficult. Wasn’t just a simple
00:58:58:22 –> 00:59:00:09
Majority, not just say 51% 50.
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Yeah. One vote over majority prop five, it was called back in the day. No, it makes me grateful at the time it probably didn’t seem as monumental as what it does today. Even Utah’s demographics are changing just like, like at Colorado, what’s happened in that state in 20, 30 years? Unbelievable.
00:59:16:01 –> 00:59:16:28
Arizona, New Mexico,
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You know, and so
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New Mexico’s seen huge changes. Yeah.
00:59:20:06 –> 01:00:04:10
A lot of these Idaho’s seeing it, you know, we’re just, we’re just seeing, seeing changes stuff. Stuff isn’t staying the same. We’re seeing population growth and population growth and urban, urban urbanization in the places where most of the people live. You know, frankly, that’s where your big voting base come from. And a lot of those people, not all, but a lot of those are not quite as in touch or in tune with the quote way of life or the way, you know, you know, when it comes to say wildlife management, whether it be game animals or predators or whatever, how it’s been done forever and what’s been working, or at least working in balance in terms of, you know, we hunt predators up to a certain level to, to help keep them at a certain level for wildlife and mitigate, you know, agricultural livestock issues and all that.
01:00:04:28 –> 01:00:36:05
Don’t, don’t need you coming in here and putting a ballot initiative to stop in any, any feasible way to hunt mountain lions in our state like they’ve done on the West coast. So, and you, you know, so short answer it, it feels hard to not be aware, but I guess the ballot ones are the ones that are gonna come outta nowhere. And then sometimes you don’t have enough time or money or all that to, to react, stop and stop it. Like the wolf thing in Colorado, you know, now they’ve been better on the second rounds of some of those ballot and ifs just very, you know. But that first one came, came hard and fast and it barely passed.
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I think too is we need to, as we become aware of ’em, but whoever’s making people aware of ’em, the groups and whatnot is make it, you know, simple answers of how to, to help. You know? And, and then is your money being used wisely? You could go fight this fight and you go broke overnight and it may and make no difference at times. And so you’re like, how is, how can we really help and really make a difference in the people’s money and time and voice is used well and used wisely. And so maybe I think just a little transparency there. Do we take on this huge giant whatever we will fight or whatever it is. Or is there a better way to fight that fight as we go along? And I think too, the cohesiveness of residents and non-residents, so Colorado has its set of issues.
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Arizona has a set of issues, Utah and have a set of issues or, or California has a set of issues and it’s really easy to say, well, I don’t care about California, they don’t care about me. We get one non-resident elk tag, total one in the entire state through the draw process and it could be a cow tag. So does that help me care about California, you know? Well, and in the big picture, I should be because those things could be coming our way where I really don’t care about California today, you know, but I, but I should. And so anyway, I think the, I think there’s more to these resident, non-resident issues than just, well, you know, we’re gonna ding the non-residents. We’re keep doing OTC in Wyoming and we’ll just keep cutting the non-resident deer tags in general areas for residents. Like what does that tell us?
01:02:13:11 –> 01:02:53:25
Just tells us they don’t want us there. You know what I mean? When in reality Yeah, I, I get it. I I I like to have the whole unit to myself too, here in Utah. But at the same time, we need, they need the non-resident funding, they need the non-resident voice. They need the non-resident support. And so I think these, the, the, you know, I mean I think there’s the, what do I, what do I wanna say here? The participation of helping each other is deeper than just, we should just do this because we’re hunters. I think it’s also the affection we would feel for certain states and the appreciation that certain states would have for all reciprocity.
01:02:54:11 –> 01:03:16:06
Reciprocity, yeah. A little bit. And you know, there’s certain things, man, certain states that we have a really hard time with that it’s a little bit hard to overcome rally at times. Huh? Rally. Yeah. When, when they do ask for your help, when they’ve demonstrated in other situations they, they, they don’t value that. So, and there’s been some strong examples of that, but it’s, that’s a hard, but I guess just what,
01:03:16:14 –> 01:03:17:24
But staying on top of it. Yeah.
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Yeah. And the
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Social medias makes
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It easier. And you got organizations in the state, even if you just got on their email list, hey, we get, I dunno how many emails we get a day and 90% of ’em I swipe and delete. But when I see a headline or something like that from something like that, you know, you’re gonna have to put up with a little bit of over, over notification on every little thing from either sportsman’s groups and or state agencies at times. But if you wanna stay informed, you know, all state agencies have have stuff, you know, on their, you know, website and their commission, wildlife board type stuff to be able to track meetings. There’s only certain meetings of the year that usually deal with, you know, predators and or big game other stuff, time they deal with fishing, you know, and things like that. And if you, you know, don’t have to be involved in every single meeting at every single time. But yeah, it’s hard not to
01:04:04:10 –> 01:04:04:25
Be, not
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Not to know about something in this day and age. And I guess if you, you know, depending on the state you live in, I guess
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I, you know, there’s some states like we feel like, let’s just take Nevada for an example. We feel an affection for Nevada, but we also deal with their state agency. They’re managing for 30 to 35 bucks per hundred dose. They, they actually have made hard decisions that cut into revenue and are taking care of the animal, knowing that at some point the animal will take care of them and, and proper management will all come around and, you know, hopefully droughts will end and things like that. But I feel like they care about what the non-resident thinks, even though we’re limited, you know, obviously all states have non-resident limitations, but, but I do feel like that there’s more of a relationship there and more of an appreciation for non-resident funding in a state like that.
01:04:54:13 –> 01:05:30:10
And well, yeah, they, and we, we, we talked about it before in the podcast, how few of elk tags, they have deer tags, they have antelope tags, they have, they have for a, a limited, the dry state in the nation, very limited and not honor that phoning is monumental and it feels like they maybe are gonna say appreciates a little bit more. But I mean, there’s other ones, I guess since we’re calling out certain things there other things, like the Wyoming wilderness law on one hand, you, you get that, that most non-residents, you know, you can go up there with your family, you can fish and do anything you want, but the minute you have a big game tag, you can’t cross the line into wilderness area. And that’s for a lot of people, that’s tough to do. Every,
01:05:30:12 –> 01:05:35:12
I would say all non-residents can’t swallow that. Even if you’re gonna hire somebody, even if you’re gonna, if you know what’s not right, I’m forced to do it
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Intuitively. And then, so then the next battle comes down and then the, you know, call it the outfit right? Association are saying, Hey, we’re the only people that are fighting for non-resident rights and this and that and, you know, on the 90 10 split or whatever else is coming down the line. And I just don’t, I don’t believe that all the time because there’s other laws and there’s other things that you will die fighting for that prove that you’re not, you’re not pro non-resident. Yeah. So,
01:05:59:27 –> 01:06:04:21
But there are situations that they do fight for our quotas because that’s the, it affects their revenue. Yeah.
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And that, and that. Yeah. You can’t, you can’t say we always we’re the only ones sticking up for it. And we’ve had some pretty hard conversations, frankly, Jason, you, you’re, you’ve been privy to some of those discussions with outfitters in Wyoming Yeah. That we’ve maybe severed some relationships with because of their stance on certain things like that. And that’s a matter of opinion, but I mean, well,
01:06:23:06 –> 01:07:10:01
And I think if an outfitter’s doing a great job, he’s naturally gonna have enough clients. He doesn’t have to force people that wanna go to the wilderness to book a hunt. I just, so I I have a hard time. I think we people should be able to choose. Yeah. Nevertheless, nevertheless, they, they get to choose. And, and that law has been contested and I’m not gonna lead the fight on that one. Like I know, I know how it’s gonna end and it’s, it’s unfortunate. So there’s something justices that just are going, going to occur in life. And so, but, but anyway, I, I think that affects our cohesiveness as hunters. I I just feel like that, whereas Nevada, I’d do anything for Nevada. I, we have friends in Nevada. Yeah. There’s some things we can’t kill. We cannot trap bobcats in Nevada. Okay. You know, come on.
01:07:10:07 –> 01:08:01:28
You know, but, but, but o but okay, that’s a law that’s been there for, I don’t know, ever since I was born probably. But when they talk about guzzlers, my heart goes out to ’em. Yeah. When they’re, when you know, if we, if we can help ’em in some way, we give them a lot of press and a lot of time podcast wise or whatever, like, I mean, we would, we, we believe in buying their non, non-refundable hunting licenses. Like we believe in, in buying a hunting license just to support the state and get and gain points feeling like it’s going to a good cause. And so we’re gonna, and I bring that up because here’s the last question is how would limiting Nevada to three unit choices instead of five affect the draws in the state? And, and I would even take it further. Let’s do one or two, but how would that affect the odds? And that, I mean this is, let’s just talk theory. I guess we don’t, we’re not gonna run some kind of a mock draw
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Algorithm,
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An algorithm on it.
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Well, if you start at the very end of, end of one spectrum, you’ve only got usually like four, sometimes five California bighorn sheep units in the state. Right. What do 90% of non-residents do? Every one of ’em. They apply for ’em all. Yeah. Okay. Then you move to say the next one, let’s say desert sheep is the next most restrictive, you know, mountain goats, they have one. So I just kind of skip those. But next you get to desert sheep and let’s say you have 15 to 20 units that you can apply, apply for is a non-resident year. 90% of people probably apply for five. Sure. So of those 15 units, when you now have 90% of the people applying for five of those, that’s, that’s a third of the unit you can apply for a 30 units in the state. And you just end up having overlap on top of overlap. Now not everybody does the same five units. I realize somebody sticks to the top two or three, then goes to some better odds. But, but let’s limit princip
01:08:57:18 –> 01:09:05:10
The principles in place. Let’s limit it to one, just an extreme. Let’s do an extreme example to really illustrate the odds, the change in odds. Yeah.
01:09:05:10 –> 01:09:29:29
Now you’ve gotta have a discussion. Jason, you and you’re, you’re, you’ve killed a couple desert sheep in your life. Been lucky to draw Arizona TAG and Utah through the point system in Utah. You probably are gonna be fairly restrictive on, there’s been recently, Jason, maybe you and me have also discussed, is there even a tag you really want, and I know that sounds crazy and spoiled, but we’ve seen Nevada in, its before this drought,
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1 75, 180
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Plus Rams were just unbelievable. We killed some big rams together. So some years like Yeah, you, you feel like you might kill a book ram. Well you have 183 inch already, Nelson. I might not. Same subspecies. So you, it’s, you’re gonna probably, if you do anything, you’re gonna pick probably one of the top one or two units
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In the state. Well, and I, and I haven’t, I’m one of those guys that didn’t fill out all five choices. Yeah. But I’m just saying. But,
01:09:56:07 –> 01:10:06:25
But the principle is you’re gonna pick one of the top one or two choice and that’s it. You’re not gonna go for the better odds units in the state. Right. The other people that need a desert sheep that just want to kill a ram, a good, any representative,
01:10:07:08 –> 01:10:30:00
Let’s just take the colas ’cause it’s considered to be Yeah. One of the top two or three non will be available in 2025. Yeah. And so I do two sixty three and then I call it a day. Right? Yeah. Which I’m not gonna, I’m doing one or two others, but 2 63 and they would go to my name and if it’s full, you’re done. They go to the next guy, you’re done. Whereas I could possibly have drawn my second or third or fourth or even fifth choice.
01:10:30:01 –> 01:11:06:00
Yeah. I’ve drawn fifth choices multiple times for deer in Nevada. Fifth. Yes. And it’s because you rank them in order of what you feel the significance or greatness or difficulty or whatever. And sometimes it’s just a lesser weapon. It’s just, it’s a archery hunt in the same unit. You’re, you’re putting in for muzzle or rifle or a couple units, but, but you’ve just eliminated yourself from all four other units, from competing with four other people. If you put one unit. Yeah. And the same thing goes for deer. All right. Now you gotta really decide. All right, I usually put archery hunts for maybe my third, fourth, and fifth choice. But now you get a side. All right. Are you an archery? Do you wanna hunt archery? You want the best dog? I, I would, I’d probably do that.
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How serious are you Bronson, about archery? Or how serious are you about muzzle? Or would you just accept your fifth choice as an early rifle? I, I don’t, those are questions. Now you’re going, what do I really want?
01:11:18:01 –> 01:11:19:23
What do you really want? But, but for me, maybe,
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Maybe your early rifles, your number one pick. Yeah. You actually do want to tag on a wet year. So I’m willing to go for the odds and my first and only choice, that’s, let’s just say under a one choice option would be
01:11:30:15 –> 01:11:30:17
Scenario
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Or muzzle. Yeah. Might be one of those that you were willing to accept. Not the absolute gold, but in a five choice scenario, you’re gonna put, you’re putting the gold down every time. Yeah. Every time you’re doing 2 41, 2 45. First choice muzzle first choice is what I love
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That season. Maybe late two twenties or late one thirties. Okay. 2 31.
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But if there’s only one choice, are you doing the late one thirties?
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I’m, I’m not wasting my, that’s a waste to me to put one of those choices down. Okay. I would put,
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Now you’re not a valid applicant. There’s one valid applicant that is not in the draw for a one thirties late. Yeah. Or a two 20 late or a two forties rifle muzzle or whatever. You’re going for archery on two forties or or 2 31 or whatever it is. That’s right. Whatever. It might even be in the north part of the state. ’cause it’s what this year. Yep.
01:12:13:01 –> 01:12:18:10
I don’t know. You would just simply, people, you just look at all the other states where you have to pick one. Like Utah,
01:12:18:12 –> 01:12:18:21
Utah,
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Arizona, you get two. But same kind of premise. Wyoming. Yeah. Wyoming. All right. You’re not gonna draw something second choice unless it’s under subscribed. Right. So what do you really want? Yeah.
01:12:28:15 –> 01:12:29:19
That’s what you do Idaho.
01:12:30:02 –> 01:12:33:28
Yep. What you really want Colorado. What do you Colorado? You can draw a second choice. Yeah,
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You could. And same in Wyoming. But, but only for Undersubscribed stuff only. It was a hundred percent. Really the first choice is what counts. And so let’s, let’s talk about that. Yeah. Like what’s that, what’s your application gonna look like? Well look
01:12:43:05 –> 01:12:50:13
At, look at the, well look at our magazine. What are the archery and muzzle odds for deer in all the units in Colorado compared to the third, second,
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Third, fourth astronomically easier. You know,
01:12:52:10 –> 01:13:01:15
In the very best unit you can draw with almost every one of them. Five or less points for archery and muzzle. Almost. There’s a few exceptions. I’m talking even like 44 Gunnison. It’s all of those.
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But if you were, if it was a random draw, which it, let’s talk about 2028, there’s gonna be more of this. And the, and Colorado offered three choices versus the one. Oh.
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How
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I would put in, like if I’m getting a random, I’m doing 44 and all three choices matter. Yep. 44 fourth or 44th, third 44, fourth or third whatever, one that would be second something. And my third might be 44 second or maybe let’s just say it’s a 21 or Yeah. Or a 40 to take or a or a gunison or whatever. Right. And so all three choices matter. Now I am a valid applicant in three choices versus one. That’s right. It’s really easy to mentally
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Two, putting a exact decimal point to how be better your odds are. It’s, it’s very intuitive to see how much impact
01:13:44:24 –> 01:14:03:05
It’s having. And we’ve, we’ve kind of hinted to this pretty aggressively hinted to this, to Nevada. But let’s just say they wanna, you wanna continue to have non-resident funding and, and people spending money and, and for application fees in your state, which are, there are no joke if you do all species plus you do some silver states or whatever, very easy to be over $300 non-refundable. Yeah.
01:14:03:05 –> 01:14:05:22
Okay. And, and, and, and over 200, even if you don’t do silver
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Just for the regular, if you don’t do the silver states, you’re at two 40 easily, or
01:14:09:06 –> 01:14:12:22
55 or whatever for license and 15 to 20 per species per after
01:14:12:22 –> 01:14:59:00
That. Per per species m PWS or whatever. And so let’s just say from a, from a resident perspective, I don’t even, let’s not even care about the non-resident. Who cares about the non-resident. I’m a Nevada resident. I can do all five choices. I live in Reno. I am now doing the two forties ’cause it’s known to be the best in state. I’m gonna do the, the very upper echelon, top two or three picks and then I’m gonna accept something close to home. Okay. Now if you have only got one choice, this is the extreme example. So it’s really easy for people to, to see it mentally. If you only have one choice, you’re probably gonna do something close to home. Yeah. Okay. ’cause your family can enjoy it. You can enjoy it. You can go sleep at home at night. You can hit it really hard. They have very liberal season dates, especially archery. So now I get to enjoy this versus traveling all the way across the state
01:14:59:03 –> 01:15:04:21
And probably hunt something you don’t really know as well. But you’ve heard as good and heard as the buzz and maybe, maybe you
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Have some friends that have hunt
01:15:06:01 –> 01:15:18:24
Exactly. Or whatever, but you don’t hunt it regularly. Even at the very best, just like sheep, right? You’re gonna put in for the units down by Vegas. ’cause they generally is where the biggest rams in the state come from. And then you’re gonna jump up to those ones out, you know, two 13 East Fallon or
01:15:18:28 –> 01:15:19:25
Whatever. Yeah. The one eighties.
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2 0 5. 2 0 7.
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Whereas maybe if you only had one choice, you would hunt next to Fallon. ’cause you live in Reno and it’d be a natural. Yeah. So I, I think there’s, I think there’s some obvious examples of how it would help residents too. Yeah. And, and if you do make two 40 deer as your first choice or an Ely elk or something like that, then great. You get to choose that and, and the guys that really wanna hunt close to home are making that their first choice. And now they have better drivers, better drawings, you know. And so I think yeah, there is a finite number of hunters. The number of actual hunters applying is the same, but there’s less each overlap. Hunter has, you know, less Yeah. Less overlap and, and a less of a presence in five different statistics options. That’s right. In the statistics that hunter is less of a statistic by five times five he’s contributing,
01:16:11:00 –> 01:16:13:21
He’s contributing to drawing odds in five units instead of one unit.
01:16:13:24 –> 01:16:25:00
Yeah. So best way to put it, if if non-residents, we had the Callies, you, you, you brought up the Callies and there’s generally four options. So we have the Cali, are you gonna do the rough stuff in the Jackson? Not everybody’s gonna do that, right?
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So a couple people do one or two, but
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A lot of ’em are gonna go to the best of the best and call it a day, do one choice of the best of the best. Some people are gonna go to the worst and just do the worst, the worst unit which has less quality, a less perceived quality and or you know, a tougher hunt physically or whatever it is. And so,
01:16:42:07 –> 01:16:46:10
But the odds, if you look at the odds for the Cali units, they’re pretty similar all across those four.
01:16:46:13 –> 01:16:48:04
Oh they’re, yeah. I mean, I mean there’s
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The word 90%. I threw out 90%. I haven’t even analyzed it. Call it 80, 90% of people just put it for all four of ’em.
01:16:54:14 –> 01:17:00:06
Yeah. No, these, again, so these podcasts are very, they’re generalities.
01:17:00:28 –> 01:17:05:24
Don’t hit me with the 77.2% fact that of, of applicants apply for all four.
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We have people like, they’ll, they’ll listen to us and they take it so literal and just, and, and it’s, and maybe even judge us to a degree. And it’s like, we’re just talking, we’re just talking like normal people for a minute and just spewing.
01:17:19:08 –> 01:17:45:10
So that’s our opinion on Nevada. I guess. I mean, I don’t, I can’t give you a statistic, but it makes, and all those scenarios we just threw out, it’s very logical to see how, you know, swinging for the fence occurs in 1, 2, 3, 4 choices. And then you got other people willing to put down what they’re willing to accept for say a fourth and fifth. You’re just gonna have less competition for, for the tags you really want. Now, if you’re a best of the best, yeah, you’re still odds are gonna be bad. But you choose to put in for the best of best.
01:17:45:13 –> 01:17:54:24
I think it’s a na I think it’s a natural state. You want to do, you want to make drawing odds better without changing tag numbers and without changing applicants. That’s
01:17:54:24 –> 01:17:56:09
A way then that’s a way to do it. It’s
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Pretty hard to do without changing those two variables. But here’s an idea. Yeah. Go
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To one. That’s right.
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Go to one.
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And it’s hard when you’ve done it your whole life ’cause you’ve had the wishlist, but even Jason, even the two forties rifles odds are gonna get better. ’cause why the people that put it now is a first choice. Because people in
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Reno, people that wanna hunt next to home for residents are not gonna be applying there. Or, or,
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Or me. You know, if I or you, if I choose about one of of them, I choose up some rifle hunts Now just because you, I put a late, I’m not gonna waste my chance, but it’s my
01:18:22:18 –> 01:18:25:24
Only chance. You call it a waste because the draws are still gonna be tough for us. They’ll
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Still be bad, but they aren’t even gonna get better. Yeah. People will leave those units to pick their one choice somewhere else.
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But it goes back to people don’t like change. We’ve, we’ve done five choices since the beginning of time. Yeah. My parents did five choices. I’m gonna do five choices. And so it’s hard for residents. And so, hey, develop your system. We’ll play by it. It’s all good. We, we support you. Just, that’s just an option. I think it’s a valid option. I think you should be considered, but hey, one last one. Just a fun one. Yeah. Okay. Favorite CD to put in the truck while road hunting. Okay. The word cd. The, the, the kids little initial CD do my
01:18:57:27 –> 01:18:58:27
Oldest. What does daughter
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Tells
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You Remembers that Colton probably does too. You probably have CDs in his age. I did it in mine thinking, throwing the Blake Shelton
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Bread, serious X Mountain say podcast or, or whatever. We stream off our phones,
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But it, it’s
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Cd, no, I don’t know
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Y two country. How about that?
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Yeah, the highway. I like the
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Highway. I end up going to y two more highway’s, a repeat all day long.
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It
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Is a repeat, but i’s go to Y 2K and it’s just good stuff from when I was maybe raising kids and younger.
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I don’t like the song. I’ll click Y
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Two. Yeah, it’s a 20 year chunk instead of, you know, the last basically two years and, you know, six months.
01:19:35:10 –> 01:19:37:04
I’m not doing Garth channel or whatever else.
01:19:37:16 –> 01:19:38:06
No, no I don’t
01:19:38:06 –> 01:19:44:06
Those What about Fox News? I’ve got, I’ve got my favorites that it’s all three of the Fox business, the regular and the headlines.
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And I’m, I’m ESPN. I have E-S-P-N-I number 80, 81. Then, you know, if I got games on at night and yeah, I’m one of those guys. If I’m traveling and there’s a golf, golf I’m gonna admit golf major on, I’ll listen to golf. The radio. Yeah, I’m one of those guys. Okay.
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Okay. So I’ll, I’ll make one admission. I don’t have CNN saved as a favorite, but I love to listen to it once in a while. It just kind of lo I just love it. They’re going crazy.
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Well, it’s fun. After I did,
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I don’t even think you could call it news anymore, they’re so mad
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I don’t listen to it. But after the election, it was fun to go listen to for that few days after because it was like their life was coming unwound.
01:20:19:21 –> 01:20:27:13
And I’m like, yeah, think about us for the last four years. Like that’s how we felt, you know? All right. I’m way past that. Politics.
01:20:27:27 –> 01:20:55:23
Did you scratch those off? And we’ve got lots more to go through, have some of these with the other guys. So many. But we appreciate everybody’s sending ideas in. Some of ’em are thought provoking, some of ’em are just fun and they’re all good. So we appreciate the input there. We do have a few others that are probably gonna turn into either singles, podcast episodes, the whole thing that are pretty big and or maybe combine a couple of big, you know, ideas that were poised into one whole podcast.
01:20:56:03 –> 01:21:02:28
Keep sending ’em in. Yeah, it’s awesome. This stuff’s thought provoking. Brings up some old stories and whatnot. Yeah, it’s just awesome. Sometimes
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We gets us through the off season too, ourselves included. Sometimes
01:21:05:27 –> 01:22:06:15
Adam and I sit at the table and we’re like, what now? Gee, what, what rant do we want to get on now? Whose feathers are we gonna ruffle today? But anyway, also just a little shout out. We we’re wrapping up our membership drive. It’s been awesome. We, we appreciate the support. These are just world class hunts. We’d encourage you to get your name in the hat. You should at least have a name in the hat, if not five or 10 of ’em, if not more. Anyway, DOL sheep in the Yukon. We’re doing the, the Yukon Moose with dueling stones. Super good people. Again, as a reminder, elk in Utah, elk in New Mexico, Nevada Mulder, Utah, Mulder Antelope in New Mexico. Gear packages 10,000 toward a hunt. Just a ton of cool stuff that’s really fun. It creates an excitement around here. It creates an excitement within the membership. Also give you a knife, headlamps, things like that for, for a certain level of participation. So we’d love to have you support us and put, and I’d love to call you up, put you on the podcast and, and announce that you won it
01:22:06:15 –> 01:22:13:03
Very well. Probably Logan, after people hear this one, the next podcast we do will probably be the winners. We’ll be, yeah, right. Yeah, that’s
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Pretty much where we’re at. Right close.
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So the next podcast you listen could be, you got get your interest in by March 3rd at 1159. Well of course that’s a Monday. We’ll be here in the office that day. But if you don’t get ’em done, you’re gonna have to go online to epic outdoors.com. Buy ’em online. We’ll be, we will be here Monday on the third all day if you’re one of those procrastinators. But we’ll be here or we can go online. Hope the next podcast is full of fun.
01:22:38:08 –> 01:23:33:28
Oh, it’s gonna be fun. So anyway, epic outdoors.com or 4 3 5 2 6 3 0 7 7 7. We’re open Monday. You’re gonna hear this Sunday night. You got 24 36 hours, I don’t know, somewhere in there. 24 hours to get your name in the hat and we’d love to see it in there. So anyway, from all of us here at Epic Outdoors, we appreciate your support and we’re gonna keep these podcasts rolling weekly. We promise. One way or another, sometimes it’s hard to get in the office or get in the, the podcast room here, Bronson, we’re break away from our desk. It’s hard, but we’re gonna do it. We’ve committed to it and, and it’s good. It’s good for us too. We got a lot of rants going on in the office. ’cause that’s what we do when we’re discussing mostly application strategies, but, and what we personally gonna do, which hopefully gives you guys a few ideas on what maybe you might think about doing. Alright, that’s enough for now, Bronson. Let’s call it a day.
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