In this episode, Jason Carter tells us about the hunts his family has had over the past few months. From general season deer to Wyoming and Nevada Antelope, it has been a great year for them. We also get to hear updates from Cache Lynn who is in the field scouting for Colorado elk.
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Hey everybody. Jason Carter. Adam Bronson. John, how are you doing? Good, Adam. How are you doing? Oh, I know how, how you’re doing. Actually, I’m, I’m fine. We’ll dive into that. Can’t complain. Truck woes.
You too, huh?
Yeah, you too. Oh yeah. Wyatt, you got any truck problems?
Not right now. Me. New set of tires though.
Me? I’m doing fine. Yeah. Why? It’s doing fine. Everybody
Gets a turn.
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Yeah. We have to talk about that today. Yeah. You’re bunch kicked in another gear here in the last week or
10 days. I’m grateful. Now gimme a break. I would
Say you’re father of the year this
Year. Oh. I mean, I would like to think so, but I’ve seen nothing of it. Where’s my award?
I,
I’m gonna make you an award ’cause this year is banner year til I want Janice’s signature on it. All right. Yeah. I want Husband of the year. You want father of the
Year. You want her to present it amongst the whole office. Have a ceremony.
I wanna do it Facebook Live. Just damn. Why not? Oh, it’s, unless you video it or you Facebook Live and it didn’t happen.
That’s exactly true. Right.
That’s true. Mean who cares about this little trophy in the corner of my office, but nobody knows I got it.
Nobody dust. You gotta put it on the Gram
Paperweight and dust collector.
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Oh no.
Having some vibration in the truck, huh? Yeah,
Little, a little more than some. Geez.
Have what? Lug nuts coming loose or
What? I wi, you know, I really wish. Yeah, the, that would’ve been fantastic if it was a loose lug nut. What was it?
Trading rims was the least of your problems
Joint. It’s the space between fifth and sixth gear
Queezy.
It’s the, it’s the shimmy between fifth and sixth gear.
I had a friend
When I was a kid, a consistent fifth, sixth gear probably.
We were kids. His dad truck would you hit between like 35 and 45. You almost couldn’t stand the truck. And then soon as you got past 45, it’s smooth out. It was just
Bad. This one’s about, you know, 65 to 75. It’s pretty bad. And then once you get beyond that, you’re good. But that’s a pretty important speed. Yeah,
It’s pretty common.
Common. That’s very common. So, wow. We’re either driving real slow or real fast right now, trying to get it worked out.
So, so
What is it the drive line you joint problem?
What are we That’s the transmission. It
Is the full
Transmission. You have to, yeah, probably.
Well, he is doing a flush and then he is gonna send it down the road to the next Sorry sucker, right?
Yeah, no, you’re gonna tarnish my Facebook marketplace reputation here.
He’s got an dependable rating right now.
I’ve got five stars. I don’t wanna
Lose that. I’m just teasing. But seriously though, you’re gonna do a flush and
Flushing a filter. And they say sometimes I can, at the very least, that’ll lengthen its life. ’cause when it starts to get that shimmy, it gets too hot. And so a new fluid, it’ll just lengthen the life as much as you can get out of it. I don’t know. That’s great. We’re playing the end game here.
So it will, and then you’re gonna go help cash. Are you gonna jump in this truck and go help?
No, no. Truck’s staying here. And Cash’s father-in-law’s going down today, thankfully. So I’ll hop in with him. And So Cash
Is in Colorado, sitting in the fog. Yeah.
He, he said he was gonna go down three days early, work hard, find a bull, first day smash, smash and grab smash. And he’s been sitting in the trailer watching movies all three days.
Oh yeah. Does this starlink?
Yeah. They got starlink. And what
Was this hurricane’s name?
Starling’s. No joke. Come. Why no joke. Wyatt told me I needed it. I’m even buying into it. And he was not wrong.
I’m not even buying into it.
Oh, you’re right. Wyatt said that you needed it, not me.
Well, you, you said we needed it, but I don’t say it. Don’t, you don’t have a lot of wisdom
Yet. You don’t trust my You’re young.
You’re young. But when Wyatt, what’s that? Bronson, what would Wyatt do? Yeah,
We go back to that a lot. And, but
A lot of truth. But I, but I miss a good deal that you had.
That’s, you deserve it for not listening to
Yeah, it was a hundred bucks off.
2 99. Yeah,
Now they’re back at it.
It now it was 180 bucks cheaper. 10 days after I bought mine.
I feel like for some reason I want to buy another one. Just ’cause it’s a hundred bucks off.
People buy ’em and rent ’em out.
Yeah. Isn’t that, that’s a, that’s a Beaver County thing.
I dunno. It’s a very popular thing.
No, it’s true. They do. They’re doing it Adam. They’re buying them and renting ’em out.
Hey, make some money. I don’t know.
Well, let’s give cash a call. See, a how good is Starlink is and b, what he’s using his starlink for, you know what I mean? Because I think he’s in a fog fog bank right now. Nothing but rain.
What’s up boss?
What are you doing?
Sitting on a windy poll right now. Are you it out looking it out? Yeah.
Okay. So you
Service or are we talking with Elon right now? How are we, how are we talking?
We
Got, we’re talking on ser we’re talking on service right now. Wow. Regular LTE baby. Okay.
T-Mobile. Well, we’re just wondering how the scouting’s going. You sent us a fog bank pick and so then we kind of felt bad
Breaking over there. A little bit. Breaking on you.
The,
What is it? Breaking up a little bit so you can see.
Yeah. Yeah, it broke. Yeah, it broke a couple hours ago. So we came out to a point.
Are you doing okay? You
Seeing anything new? Yeah,
Yeah. No, it’s good. Just
Starts in the morning, right?
Yeah. Starts in the morning. You gotta find something worth killing. But I, yeah,
Logan’s looking at enterprise renter car or whatever.
Does he need, he wants to know whether he needs a four wheel drive to get to your camp. I told him probably not.
I’m picking a Subaru Outback cash.
You don’t need one.
Oh no, you could. I mean, there’s, there’s a van up here and guys in cars and stuff like that. Toyota
Corolla. It is.
Oh yeah. Yeah. You, you’ll get there.
You get an uneven cattle guard though, and hit that freaking hump in the middle. And your oil pans are done.
Renter’s insurance and Logan. That would happen to Logan. It
Would, if it could happen, it would happen.
Shocks at bottom ’em out. He’d hit the cattle guard sticking up. Only two inches. That’d be done.
Yeah, that’s exactly right. All right. You seen anything else out there? That’s interesting? Any lions or deer? How about any big deer?
One buck was pretty solid, really? Probably, probably mid to upper sixties. Wow. I mean, just a nice buck, you know. Yeah. Pretty
How many bears? Yeah. I mean, how many bears so far?
So far No bears.
There’s more bears there so far, maybe. Anyway. I found it.
Yeah.
Well there’s,
There’s a canyon in that. I’m surprised.
Forties. That is no joke. You know, a lot of bear.
Okay. We thought we’d get it.
Update. Yeah. Nothing solid. Lots and lots of dinks, but we’re picking through ’em anyway.
All right. Well, we wish you the best of luck.
Okay? Yeah. Well, we’ll need a little bit, but hopefully
We can your work in the, what’s your goal? Do you have a, you have a goal in mind?
Oh, I’d like to kill something three 20 or better, you know. Yeah. But at the same time, depends on what you see too. Yeah.
But
I, this country we’re in over here, that’s a lot, a lot more roadless. And so it’s gonna be tough to get into him, but,
Ooh, Logan likes that country.
He does. He does. I’m, I’m doing it just for him.
I, I really was trying to get outta this whole hunt, but were you cash keeps on getting these last minute tags and ruining my dedicated hunter experience.
That’s okay. That’s why you have three years instead of, instead of just
Walking. That’s a good point. Gosh. Keep him going first
Year.
Yeah. Yeah. I will say, if I look clear out here in the horizon, there are, there are a lot of snow capped mountains. Wow. Like, it got some pretty good snow up there. Like 12,000.
Wow.
Yeah. Priscilla meant business.
She, yeah. That squeezed, I guess it’s Raymond Raymond’s following it. Really?
I saw. Yeah. Everybody loves Raymond. I heard that’s the one they’re calling coming from California right now, is that I saw big storm coming
From
California. So what was the, oh no, this one’s, this one’s more central, northern. It’s just a big storm. We got
Priscilla and Raymond. I haven’t heard about about it. What did we have in between that? Like aqua or just a lot of
You just had the off rain,
Wind
Offspring of Priscilla just, you know, spawning and spinning and, you know, wings. But, but
They go down the alphabet. I wanna know what the Q1 was. How’d we skip the Qs?
I don’t know. Have to Google that.
What’s
Discrimination? What’s
A good, what’s a good Q name? Quinn. Quin
Quinn. Quinn Qua.
Yeah. ’cause it was Priscilla, so it had to be masculine, but we went Right. Went to R. Yeah. Yeah. Where was it? Maybe the Q was down in though, in Caribbean somewhere. ’cause they name ’em kind of, I fizzled
Out. So for the, I’m over. I I do. It is interesting. It feels like, like the deer that we’ve killed has got back fat. Like none other two inches of it.
Are they? Yeah. Great.
It makes you wonder if we’re gonna have an early winter or a long winter or both. I don’t know. You know what I mean?
Let’s just have a win. I want a winner.
It’d be a good, we didn’t have, it’d be awesome hunt in Colorado if we got a pretty good winter coming on by then. But anyway. All right. Cash. We’re gonna let you go. Okay.
Okay. I’ve got one spotted up. I gotta better throw a
Spotter on. So do it. Well, yeah, we wanna be here. Throw it on. Okay.
Throw it on. Right. I’ll talk to you guys later. No, no, no, no. I
Wanna know if he’s how good he is. Do can. Okay. Can you manage? If I
Find something worth killing, I’ll say he.
All right. Talk to you later. Good
Luck.
He’s gone. He, he xed off. He, he was like, get out of my way. All right. So then Bronson, you’re, you’ve got truck woes
Too early to tell too early. Yes. Woes. They are. Absolutely.
It was vapors. Yeah. Just had vapors and smoke.
I don’t know. Big truck had a problem.
Isn’t That’s the frustrating freeway part. The older you get, you get newer vehicles so you don’t have these problems, you know? Yeah,
Yeah. You don’t, 33,000 is nothing. Shouldn’t have anything wrong with it. No. A hundred. If you’re gonna run
Hard for a full season, you about need a truck and a backup truck. So
You and a wife’s truck. Yeah.
And wife’s truck. There are three of ’em. Three of ’em. Just in case. Keep, keep you going.
Janice’s truck’s been a good truck. But if brother-in-law’s understandably asked, have you ever driven it? No. ’cause I was saying how awesome it is. He’s like, have you ever driven it? I said, no. And he goes, oh, maybe it’s all right then. Maybe it is. All right. So what are we gonna talk about here on this podcast? First off, we’ve got the epic hunt giveaway, right? Yep. So we’re coming down to the final stretch. Can you believe it? He’s like, came out yesterday. No, it’s a short,
Short giveaway. So the entry period is very, very
Short, shortest ever. Yeah. Deadline of November 3rd, right? Yeah. These are all for hunts in 2026. Bronson tell ’em what we’re giving away.
Well, three hunts. I think they totaled about 70, 70,000. Just a hair over. But first one’s a Yukon doll. Sheep hunts for the opening week. Season opens August 1st in the Yukon for doll sheep. But get there a few days early to be able to get packed in, be sitting there kinda like cash intended to do, be sitting there dead red on July 31st. August 1st. And that’s what this, that’s when we bought these hunts for years ago. Bought several of ’em. Anyway. Awesome opportunity. We’ve had a lot of members. QO rams there with North Crow. Great outfit. It, you know, get yourself to Whitehorse. Everything’s in pretty much included from there. So then we also have, like, we’ve had before, many times a Nevada 2 31 gut, fully guided hunt with White rock outfitters. This is a landowner tag included in that hunt. Get a choose seven day period, I believe it is, with within whichever season, archery, muzzle or rifle. If you go on one and don’t kill, you got the option to either rebook some more days later or hunt on your own or whatever. It’s got a lot of flexibility. Landowner tags in Nevada, good for deer, at least on all seasons within that specific unit. And this is again, 2 31, 1 of the famed units. Southeastern Nevada. A lot of big deer. Lot of big deer. And over the years, John
Spent a lot of time in there. Last few years.
Today, when he pulled in, he came in hot to the office today. He came in screeching. Yeah. I thought like,
I’m not buying
Vehicle from
Him. This, I was like, man, he’s mistreating this vehicle.
Well it’s, but, but the reason you’re not is ’cause you owned it before him.
That’s a good, okay. Okay. So that’s a valid point. That was quick by the way. That was quick.
So those are the two, right? Then we got a couple analog pants, which Jason, I mean, geez, you, your, your family’s killed three or four. I don’t
Know, many. Can’t kill up of them. How much,
What are you guys doing with all the ope meat? You guys got eating
It,
Are you? Yeah.
How I summer sausages. Jen Jan won’t eat it. I mean, she’s, she would, if she was starving to death, she may or may not eat it. She would. I think so. But she
Bottled it. Man, that’d be good bottle.
She’s had some bad experiences maybe. Has she? Yeah, maybe they didn’t die right away. I don’t know what the problems were. So they, according to dev, and if they just tip over and you, you know, they’re grass fed, you’re fine. But
I’ve had ’em both ways honestly, too. And, and I felt like I did the exact same to both. So I think there is some uniqueness to the individual animal. Partially maybe how much hard you hard how hard you ran ’em or whatever stage of the rut they’re in. But anyway, this is a pair of antelope tags here in Utah on the Mount Dutton Pogon unit. Two of them for you and a buddy, family friend,
Whatever you want to make her raise her eyebrows. You. So, you know, like, there’s certain parts that are, you’re required to take right. Quarters and backstrap and tenderloin,
Whatever. What you freaking neck meat,
Huh? I I, I, every time I take the neck meat, of course, every time she’s just looking at me like, you know what I mean? Yeah. But anyway, so yeah, on
The elk, that’s a heck of a roast a couple. It
Is. And hamburger. Yeah.
Hamburg.
Lots of stuff, you know, it’s great. So anyway. Yeah. We’re it’s summer sausages, so, so yeah. Yeah. It’s been an interesting run that way.
Yeah. The way it worked out.
You wouldn’t believe how many comments people come up with on Oh, nice to see Jason Mely Carter with an animal, you
Know, let alone three or four
De doing my job. I’m doing my job to rid the earth of him. Well, we’ve
Also talked about somewhat jokingly, but not in tough years in this desert, southwest stuff where we live southern Utah, maybe in Nevada, you know, Northern Arizona, whatever. Yeah. When we get years like this, it’s time to hunt horn game and stacks. Right. Sheep and antelope and true
Goats
And goats and, and
Maybe a moose fade stacks could ever draw
Tag. That’s right. Stuff like that. So, which you’re just following your own advice is all you’re doing. Yeah. You’re, you’re going hunting horn game.
Well, you know, and last year, remember all the big animal pictures we got in? Oh, like, there was just loads of ’em last year
So far this year. Like, bad on that. I think it’s been pretty good too. Good that Arizona’s even killed some,
It feels like last year was better for Wyoming. I don’t know why. It just kind of feels that way, but, well,
You gotta also remember this season keeps going for about another two weeks. Yeah. I They kill whack. I know they whacked some giant bucks the end of October and you’re like, this
Weekend I saw some on the ground. I’m like, geez, I kinda wanna go back. But really? No, it was a lot. I don’t know how many butts we passed, but it was over a hundred for sure. It was, it was
Wild. It pretty soon you’re just over it.
Oh, Sean, I told you Sean, I wish we could, we should call him. I,
Well, I just remember last year going by myself. It’s just not a fun hunt by yourself. Why you
Did it too. Yeah.
Did you go by,
Was it last year?
It’s just not fun. No. Two years ago.
Two years ago For you, last year for you, Devon
Went the same year. Wyatt did a couple years ago, but he, I think he’s had his wife and dad. I don’t remember. But but, but you’re literally by yourself at some point. You’re over it. Yeah. It’s challenging too with as much movement, trying to range. They’re rutting and you’re trying to keep track of the right buck and, and range out the doors, get on your gun and
All of that. It’s,
It’s quite fun. All of that. Any, any interesting scenarios like that play out with
You and Sean? We were in the middle of nowhere, just slept, sleeping outta the truck or whatever, just out on the ground. But it was, yeah, it was pretty fun. Yeah, it was pretty fun. It was Sean. I mean, he loves to kill. Well, yeah, I mean, I don’t know if I’ve met a guy that likes to kill like Sean does. And so he’s like, dad, that’s a good one. And I’m like, okay, short pronged or okay, he’s not super tall. Or he could be a little more massive. And you know, we did after like, let’s call it 76 bucks. 76.
Yeah.
He just got quiet. He didn’t care. He was over. He was so over it. And, and I was like, what do you think? I don’t know.
Tell me if I even need to look, you know?
Exactly. And I was like, crush the next one. Yeah. Inside I was like, Kay, he’s gotta kill,
Crush the
Next one. It’s time. So
Night came, he shot before you? He,
Yeah, he did Night came
The first day.
Yeah. Yeah. First day you went
A full 12, 14 hours of without
Shooting went. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Wow. And impressive. I don’t know. So strange. Anyway, he did smash a Kyle. Like, I mean, there was some things that happened.
Just kept him going,
Oh, I lost a range finder. I’m like a sick. And I’m like, what the, I’m like, this is
A problem. Did you sit it on the bed rail your bed and drive off? Or what
Do you mean on the hood or something? It was like, well he was like, dad, I wanna smash this coyote or something. So we put the, so I got out and it’s gonna be a long distance. It’s gonna be a long range shot. And then there was another one out like 20 yards, another dog. And so then Sean takes off after him. They’re out through the bushes and I’m like sitting there. And then I, you know, so anyway, I get back in the truck. Well, I don’t know where the rangefinder is at this point. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. It lost.
Did you find it?
Yeah. I, so we went and hunted and I’m like, I do not have a rangefinder and it’s built for my rifle. Like I’ve got profile numbers, such and such, whatever. My prior one has has was waterlogged. So I’ve got a, I’ve got two and now I’m using my backup. The other one’s waterlogged. It’s not turned on anymore.
Just cut. Oh, it doesn’t even work.
Oh yeah, it doesn’t even work. Yeah.
Nevermind. I remember that.
And I’m like, oh. So anyway, there’s more to the story, but yeah. Plus or minus, we we’re out and about and I’m like, and we’re using Sean’s. Sean’s got an element or whatever and it’s great, but it’s not mine. Yeah. You know? Yeah. So anyway, so I’m like, we gotta go back by the way, for the evening, let’s go. It’s gotta be back there by the Coyo or whatever. Drove right up or sitting right on the road.
I did the same thing with the pair of NL twelves. Nl p twelves last night. What? What? Yeah. I get back, back, way back into town getting gas and I’m like, where are I? My Bino harness is light. Is light.
Oh.
I open it up and I’m like, oh, where are they? You know? So I rip through the truck, make sure I didn’t just like set ’em next to me or something. I’m like,
These are problems. Yeah.
And then why then you start, I drive back to, you know, a point that I was on. They were sitting there. So after you took ’em off the tripod, you
Did drive all the way
Back? I drove all the way back. Yeah.
John, your life is hard, dude. John’s life is difficult for,
For a minute. I was like, oh shoot. You know,
Geez guy.
Well, sometimes the project when you get in the dark, like I, yeah, yeah.
Well you were going back to that point though, weren’t you this morning or No?
Yeah. But you’re half panicked. Yeah.
That what if they not there? They could have fell off halfway between here and there and the next dude coming up the road.
Yeah. Coming up the road and it’s like, oh,
Got a new pair of twelves. The
Best, best trip I’ve ever taken,
You know,
So no, I, I went straight back.
Wow. Anyway, so yeah. So then we were out and about and yeah, we come up on a buck and I’m like, Sean, that’s, I don’t know if what we called him a little heavy or something like that. He kind of, but he’s heavy, you know? Anyway, he’s like, I’m killing him. And I’m like, no, no, I think you should look at him. He goes, I do not care. He is big enough for me.
He’s
Over and he’s over this double shot Sean. He’s ev I mean everything since the beginning of time has taken two shots. Yeah. First shot’s, five feet high. Second shot. He smashes him every time. So kind of a thing. Plus or minus. Yeah.
And your other kids just
Riding him on it mean he took, oh, he took it. He took my gun and I mean it was dead on one shot. And he goes, I broke the curse. I was like, okay. Bumped the brakes. But it was awesome. Alls well turned out good. Took care of him. Put him in the cooler and then off again, finished hunting. And then right before dark, found the Buckeye killed the second
Night. Yeah.
And he’s then what I was gonna pass him, he’s like, dad, you just
Big in the pitch
Carter. Yeah. He looks, he’s a good buck. He is. He’s heavy. He’s high Sixes on the masses. Like, just
Look good to me. What? Anyway, if you had to guess why it was a Cratic score, where would you think that Buck would rank from?
Out of, out of the top?
No,
I mean, ANU, gimme a number,
Number. What it would, would rank or what it would
Score. Score. No, I don’t care. I don’t know what
It’s gotta be right there around 80. Yeah.
He’s gotta be right there. So anyway, we were, yeah. So I saw him and I’m like, I’m, I don’t know, Sean. Let’s just, let’s just, he goes, dad, you never like to kill anymore. He says, you just like to scout. And I was like, alright, get outta the truck. Plug your ears.
Plug yours. Yeah.
Plug your son. Oh, wind was crazy.
So then my question is, so this was right at dusk the second night. Hey, did you do a cannonball run the whole night home and drive home?
Yeah,
I knew. That’s
The only thing I know how to do. Knew he did. We got home at four 30 morning and
That’s not a quick one. No, I mean that’s eight, eight to 10. I don’t know how, how far it took. It was 10.
Is Wyoming any better at the nighttime? In the nighttime than it is the daytime?
I mean,
Those are good questions. Yeah. Saw bucks on the freaking pavement, like real bucks. Like, you know how we’re hunting the general here and everything. Yeah. But I mean, four point bucks on the, really on the general side of the pavement
In Wyoming. Yeah.
Rollins. Oh
Yeah.
No kidding. Yeah. So anyway, there’s a, there’s a, a little tidbit for anybody out there looking to smash a mulder at some point. Yeah.
So the, the winter die off or, or the really hard winter that Wyoming had a couple years ago. Are the effects of that pretty much, you know, overcome? Or
Are we back to normal? Well, they, they’re pretty prolific, I think. And then they, they mature fast. So like, while you were talking about it, or maybe it was one of the outfitters on the gram or something, but basically how X amount in the top 10 ever killed? Or like two years old? Yeah. A
Couple of three year olds a goat kind of deal. Wow.
Yeah. Two, three years. Two to three years. Two old. You can kill them years old. They’re big and they’re big mature instead of like a meal there that be
Four, five. But then also I think there’s gotta be some kind of relationship between, you know, less is better, less is bigger. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like when you have less of ’em, they’re just, they do, well, I dont
Know. All kinds of groceries for the ones that made it. Yeah. You know, all, all kinds of space, food feed, everything like that.
I don’t know about this unit. This unit was just a, I don’t know what chicken based. I’ve heard it twice now. Yeah, yeah. It was, it was one of those that Sean and I were like, well let’s go, let’s have a good time. It was kind of a plan attack and, and we did it, looked at the odds and did it. And you know, but why maybe kind of what we’re seeing on Mulder too in places where, you know, they have a heavy die off, but then the quality’s actually pretty decent. Yeah.
It seems like the quality comes back faster than the numbers come
Back. Yeah. That’s a good way to put it.
Those that are there, just have all the space. Yeah. And eat the ice cream. I mean, they’re all eating the best.
That’s, that’s what I thought would happen in Nevada. And there ain’t nothing.
It’s still dry Wyoming. At least the normal year is fine. They get a lot of sum range. But
Yeah,
The topic did come up. Devin, Jason’s family with so much antelope meat and what they’re gonna do at all. I don’t
Wanna talk about it.
Well, I mean we’re, I would give you some if you were okay with that. Well,
I tried.
Did you?
What do you mean?
I went to the butcher and they’re like, you got two new antelope in here. Right? And they’re like, yeah. It’s like he didn’t,
It didn’t indicate you, you were coming pick it up.
Okay. So in my, in all fairness,
No. What what did you do with the backstraps?
Oh, they’re probably summer sausage Devin. That’s what they told
Me.
Sorry. I I actually didn’t
Think, does that make you sit?
I actually did. I never take you serious. ’cause you say you would take it and I’m thinking there’s nobody in their right mind that would take antelope me.
I, I believe him. Why? We’ve heard it too many times from his mouth. Did
You ask him? Really?
Yeah. Did you? Yeah. They said that he, he, he sausage the whole thing like
Backs. I got stuff in the office and when I’m out in the hills, I wanted to What?
That’s what, yeah. They’re like, he said he wanted, he wanted sausage for the office. I was like, well a backs strapp, you know. I mean, I would’ve traded all the sausage for one backstrap.
So anyway.
Or throw one of those on the smoker.
Geez man. Little, little.
It’s all good little angry man. Someday I’ll draw.
Well anyway, we had, it was a good time. I mean, and I did miss a little bit. Sean loves to talk away. Well this, Sean loves to talk about this and I brought it up when we were hunting his deer. Was
This the buck you killed? Yes. Or different one that got away?
Oh no. So no, they don’t get away the day just, they just get to have a second chance at life.
No wonder.
Or five chances in life.
No wonder they’re game, he’s tasting. Yeah.
Dude, they did not run from my bullets. He didn’t even know he was being shot at
The day after you got home. There was, I ran into Sean at the Zaxby’s drive through. He ran up to my truck window.
Of course he did.
He, I’ve never seen him. So
Gi ’cause double shot has been slightly teas
In our face. He put back to bed and watched dad shoot.
He couldn’t wait to tell me this story.
Okay. It was 25, 30 mile an hour wind. And Sean had the rangefinder. Okay. And have you been in antelope country with a rangefinder?
Good luck trying to
Good range. It’s it’s five 50. No, it’s seven 50. It was six and a quarter. I mean, and finally he handed me the rangefinder. Yeah.
He’s like, range it
Yourself. And I’m like, yeah, we’re getting, it’s, there’s
Nothing
Hard. And at some point you’re like, well, and then you look up the wind drift on a bullet app and you’re talking like 65 inches at
A 10 mile an hour.
Yeah.
One of 20
Depending on the range. Yeah. I mean, so anyway, we got closer and made him just smashed him. It was done. You know, not a problem. But anyway, Sean, Sean loves
You. Take one of your thirties up there. You you’re normally use a 30
Up there. No, but I should have six five because it would carry through the wind. I should have taken 3 38
Would take 6, 5, 3.
What’d take take seven? Seven PRC seven.
Yeah. That’s one thing about Wyoming. On a calm day you got a 14 mile an hour wind. Yeah.
Yep. And you’re in antelope country. Which made me go back to the El ranges. So what’d I do when I came home order a set of el range.
For what?
For what? Just the, the, the handhold range finders are just different. They’re built different bruh. You know what I mean? They’re not, when they say they say they’re seven or eight, but they look like nothing. They don’t look at Oh, they don’t look at, they
Don’t one
Eye take a eight or 10 power para of binoculars. It’s a hundred percent more magnification. It feels like. You know, don’t you think? And then why you, you’re heavy on the Yale range. I’m like, what does it again, what, what Wyatt do
I’ve been using the twelves of lately. They’re kind of handy there on a tripod and
Yeah. And you’re using one pair of binos
In your one, one pair of
Bino. Nothing in your pack except for a spotter
When you’re packing down a little bit. Yeah.
Don’t have to worry about leaving a rangefinder somewhere on a rock and going back hours later for it.
Yeah.
When you’re in flat country like that,
I don’t know, even an EL range two
I is better than one.
But yeah, two eyes is better power
Or another body
And you’re more stable. It’s everything about it. Go, you go back to these little handhold, maybe it’s our age, Bronson, I don’t know. But you go back to the handhold little range, which you use. I use, that’s our system. But you’re starting to say now where was that deer like? ’cause you, if they’re far enough, you’re like, you, you can’t really see ’em well in these range. No problem.
There’s little antelope better than the sage.
I have had, I
Disagree. Deer across the canyon
In Colorado. Elk and flats is can be a problem. Well I think it’s flat, so it’s the problem. Any
Flat. Did you have that this year? Oh yeah.
Same thing. No, it was year two ago. Oh,
I thought maybe with your Wyoming
700, 300. Was
It? Yeah, I’ve shot
A hundred. I ended up looking on OnX and drawing a line to a little patch of trees and figuring out the yard. And
You used that
Dialed and killed them. I could not get a good, I mean we could have averaged it, but you’re guessing. Yeah.
Yeah.
So anyway. Yeah, it was a, it’s a real
Deal. Antelope ranging is a real, it’s a real problem. Yeah. Real thing. You’re gonna encounter so flat, so much. Or little undulation little a bush that you hit that’s 80 yards in front of it. And
I knew all this. It’s like we, you know it. And then when Sean’s running the rangefinder and then I’m just like, I mean, you know, anyway, I think an EL range will help. So anyway, that’s, that’s where it’s at.
I called BS on the seven power on the
Rangefinders. No, it’s like 1.2. Yeah.
I don’t know how they’re measur.
I mean, I’m serious. When you look through ’em, you’re
Like, I’ve been, I know
There’s no way
You can, I don’t even have one.
Okay, well I’m gonna keep mine. I’m gonna have a backup. You know, I’ve learned that I need backups. I’ve got one that’s water logged, won’t turn on. Got another one that just about got left in the hills. And so anyway, I thought two was enough, but it’s not, it’s not.
What else you smash And then, then the next day you got home, let’s talk
To somebody else’s story. Yeah. Well
You, you guys, you guys killed more species than the last week than this whole
House. Well, and it was a gift because I, you’re not, I’m like the kids, I mean, they like to kill stuff, you know what I mean? Yeah. So you start to line and nothing ever seems to go right. You know, when you got dedicated hunter, it’s kinda like, just keeps going and never stops, you know. So anyway, got out, let’s see, went out with Ashley, Sean had to work, went out with Ashley. It’s now her turn. And
What was this hurricane called out here? Priscilla?
What was it? Was it Priscilla? It was not. Was it?
It was Google it. Yeah. Anyway, just like
Did
Priscilla of
That day, was that through Mexico or when does Priscilla start and stop? ’cause it’s been raining everywhere. I don’t know forever. For she’s,
She was angry. She’s still hangry. Yeah.
Yeah. So anyway,
With the fog, but it’s not, you went out there and fog
Just dealing with the fog and Ashley, Ashley’s like, oh, this is a waste of a morning. And I’m thinking she’s right. I mean, anyway, got lucky. Fog lifted a little bit and we
Drove right into, oh dude, really? I like it. I
Heard a four points. Okay, now let’s heard, what is that be two or more, right? There was three and three four points on a general. Oh yeah. Like you’re doing something here. I know there was certain general units in the state that people loved. Did great. There was some big bucks taken in certain parts of the state. It feels like a four point here is pretty rare. Yeah. You know what I mean? So anyway, made it happen. Ashley got on the shooting stick. She’s a killer. And she still looked at me. Finally she’s looked at me and she goes, is he big enough? I’m like, what are you doing? Look through the scope. It’s a hundred yards, you know. Yes it is. Yes. And anyway, she smashed it. It was no joke. It was awesome. And so there’s two other bucks that take off. And so we said something to Sean anyway, broke it down, took it to town, did everything. And then pretty soon Sean got off work, happened to get off work a couple hours early. He takes Ashley out there, they get on the track,
The tracks that busted after her. Sean
At At the gut pile. Yeah. Yeah. Got on the track. Sean got on the tracks on
The 15. Because you had still a rain
Tracking whatever. Yes, it was. He got on the tracks. Ashley got on the glass, was on 15 tripod. Jan and I had a reception to go to. We got done with it. Rolled up on him. I’m like, Ashley, get in the truck. We’re gonna go around the backside of the mountain. She’s like, no, I’m not getting in the truck. She’s like, dad, you go around the mountain, he’s gonna come on this side and nobody’s gonna be glassing on this side. I mean, she’s a hunter dude. And I’m like,
She’s lining you out.
Oh, lining me out. Sean’s on the tracks. He’s, he’s going along. She’s g glassing.
He’s ready to jump. She’s
Pretty soon. She’s like, I got him. And I’m like, what? I got him. I’ve got him right here, Sean. Get back over here. You know, get it with dad. We’re gonna go in and make a stock. So anyway, John and I go up there, we glass ’em up. Sure enough, I can see the butts through the trees. They’re all skittish. They, they ended up wind Sean. Yeah, Sean was tracking. He got within 150 yards or so. And the, it was gale force wind again, one of those wonderful things. And we got within 700 yards. And I said, all right Sean. ’cause he was still riding me. I mean
He’s still going off the one and done. He’s like,
He’s dirt double dirt’s broken because he’s double shot. He’s gonna grind me. And so I said, let’s do, pull out the bullet out. Let’s run, let’s run through the numbers. So I said, how, how heavy is the crossman? And he goes, I don’t know, 20. I said, at least let’s go with 20. Type in 20. It was 64 inches of wind drift. Geez. I said, now where were you aim? It’s five feet. Yeah. And I said, go ahead, hang, hang that far off the deer and see what you think. Does that feel good? No, we should probably get closer. So anyway, ended up at 240 yards. Deer ends up getting a great shot. I don’t know how he made it. It was amazing. It was a miracle shot and smashed two of the three in the group. So we tracked the two off of Ashley’s killed one. Killed another one. Now we got a single roamer out there that doesn’t deserve to live the breeder buck. It feels like you shoot, when you shoot a couple of the four points, you just, it does something to you feel bad.
You’re an violation program
Right there. Oh, it’s straight up teaching kids how to kill stuff. And it was great. I love the general for that. But I also, I also, you know, you care. You, you want ’em to live and be old. And I guess, like Sean says, dad, you just really like to scout, don’t you? You don’t like to kill anymore. That’s not true. Wanna kill something good. These
Are nice four points. They’re not,
They’re nice bucks. Ashley’s had a little cheater. Adam’s like, oh, it’s got a little cheater.
Get you killed.
Yeah, I about said that. Yeah,
That was good. Five before.
Anyway. Yeah. One day and all of a sudden, yeah, I’m still looking for this trophy of dad of the year. I want it presented on FaceTime. Facebook live. Well Instagram live
Your wife, you deserve it. Your wife, you already talked about that. Desert sheep for her stuff for everybody. Yeah. But Jason
Ope. Well I
Killed, well I guess you got,
Yeah, I,
I, my daughter called me. I kid you not an hour before this podcast and was talking about
How great a dad Jason is. Oh yeah. Because his dad amazing. His kids are killing, they’re awesome. Actually. The kids, the kids make it happen. When Ash leaves the house with fifteens of scope, tripod complaining about, you know, which foot she’s gonna use that, you know, like the ARCA Swiss and that they match and, and her taking a pistol and I mean her own four wheel drive truck and going out there and shed hunting or glassing sending me scope cam footage. Yeah, it’s, I’m just blown away. Thankful. I’m not even, it’s not even a proud dad moment. It’s just like, geez, she’s gonna outdo me. Yeah. She’s no joke. And when the boys miss a coyote or something like that, I mean she, it ruins her whole day. It’s so crazy. So anyway, that’s good. If she, if she marries a non hunter, I’m gonna have problems. And he is too. He’s gonna have problems. He is too. And she is too. Let’s put 18 years, 20 years into something that all for nothing. I mean that doesn’t work. Right. Alright, so enough with all that, Devin, let’s talk about some of your, like you’ve been all over heck and back up north, I’ve down some miles up north out on the desert, up in the hills to and fro
A lot of pretty drives.
Family.
Saw a lot of country. Yeah.
My family. You’re juggling the family thing.
Yeah. Just see how the next one goes. Yeah, same thing. Dedicated hunter. You’re like the next time, the next one, that’s the next one. This is it. Yeah. You know, so yeah, this weekend try
Again. That’s the things coming up.
Yeah.
It’ll be good
Chasing box. That’s about it for me. Nothing too exciting since New Mexico. Yeah.
The New Mexico was awesome. I think we ought to do more of that. We need, I need more outcomes in my life. I just don’t know exactly how to go about doing that, Adam.
Yep. I agree. I had, I had one this year.
Oh yeah? Did we? We already talked about it though, didn’t we? We
Just did.
You had a tag. That’s right. Had a tag.
Yep. Had other stuff going on too. Yeah. Tough year. Riding on the wall. Sometimes you cut your losses.
Yeah. Yeah.
Simple as that.
Throwing good money off
That had a good friend of mine had a sheep tag, got some sheep hunters and kids would dedicated a hundred tags too. Same type stuff. And yeah,
Been good. Been
Quite good.
Yeah. The more to come on all that look, we got a lot of hunting left to do. That’s what we’re right in the middle of. Actually we weren’t even gonna do this podcast today. Just a lot. We
Were just here, we’re all leaving again between family and friends and other stuff. Guiding a little bit hunting the family. Yep. General Deer opens the second general deer on for the units that have two different rifle hunts opens up this weekend here in Utah, which, anyway, it looks like a little bit better weather than last weekend gonna be.
Yeah. All right. Wyatt, you got anything to add?
No, I think we’ve covered what’s
Happened here in the office. Wyatt, what are you doing next?
Me?
Me, I, I’ll go get something to eat. Yeah. I
Think I better get back on the phone. You know you got a few few clients to call
Where you go on next. Why things
Like that.
Oh, so it’s good. I, Wyatt, whatever Wyatt’s doing, it’s right. He, he, he analyzes things to death and he knows, he knows when to hold them and he knows when to fold them.
He follows when to
Tell us and when he tell us he does, he knows it. And what did he tell me? He told me where to be. And did I, did I do what you said?
No, I didn’t either.
It’s just basic strategy. Just like 21, you know, playing cards, just basic strategy.
Okay. I never was good at it. Never was good at playing cards.
Yeah.
If he tells you, if he tells you, you must listen.
Wyatt. Wyatt, listen to Kenny Rogers and we listen to Wyatt. He knows him in the holding pole.
It’s why he’s so good at his job. So anybody out there that’s looking for somebody to do your applications, why? That’s what we do here at Epic Outdoors. Need a little help. Also, you don’t have to know anything if you don’t want to. If you don’t know the units or you want us to help strategize you, help you with your strategy, then we’re really good at that. Adam and I, Wyatt. Devin, we all work on that heavily. Especially Wyatt Wyatt’s dealing with the guys direct generally. And it’s just, it’s awesome. You get a good plan going between him and Devin and coming up with outfitted hunts. You supplement your draws with some guaranteed tags and hunts that you can kind of book in advance anyway. You can have a full schedule and it could be great. Right. What?
Right. Yeah. Talking about application service a little bit too. We still have till the end of the month to get on on Wyoming points. I’d almost say they’re a, they’re a must apply for, I mean yeah,
Yeah.
Even if you don’t have anything to do with ’em right now. I mean future years, there’s always options.
You’re not talking like can moose necessarily,
But the deer, elk can, deer, elk, cantelope. Most definitely
Something I would never miss. Would you miss it?
Never miss, no.
So anyway, got some over the counter archery deer. November 3rd coming up for Arizona. Arizona. If you’re just wanting to tag great Bronson you in.
Who’s doing that?
I do it. I waste so
Much money. I’m always usually hunting sheep right then. And you guys are trying to get ahold of me and I’m like the only one out and I’ve never been more thankful.
Oh, I know. You’re like, geez, I feel like I got left out. It’s like not one of us went one sheep. We didn’t Was that last year
Too?
I feel like there’s two states that gets this on.
Oh, Idaho General every time.
Now you’re gonna have to make a conscious decision. Am I gonna apply in the
Draw? They don’t charge you application
Fees. I know. So you’re probably gonna do it.
Probably do it. It’s free till December 5th to the 15th.
It’s free till it’s not.
If you got the right one, it’d be pretty fun. I guess. I don’t know
The
Right this year. Well, I mean you’re like, basically Yeah, late season they big deer show up in some of these units and so you could hunt right up to the end of October and maybe you get the weather this year. It looks like they’re getting weather, they’re getting snow up there in Portmouth. So Yeah,
I saw snow in Idaho. Yeah.
Yeah. Wow. That’s a
Lots going on. Sounds like we’re laying the ground work for a plan. No, what’s the deadline for that?
There was a year I, when does that, I supplemented the entire state’s budget
Fish and game agency.
Me, my kids, others all had general tags just in case. Right. So you can make sure that’s that you have something to do and didn’t use it. But anyway. Yeah, December 5th to the 15th
That it,
Yep. So anyway, you’ll be able to apply. See,
I have to look that up. Jason, you
Off
The top of his head? Well, I mean, what do you think he’s doing?
December 5th? I may or may not have written that section. You’re on it. Am I right? Yeah. All
Right. So the reason I’m not on it is I’m not on it.
I’m over it. All right. So do we have anything else? Oh, Devin, we were supposed to shoot rifles this morning.
Really? He did.
It didn’t. We don’t have to shoot rifles at tomorrow. No, we’re good. But we do have an option where we have fierce in, in stock, brand new where we’ll throw a scope on it side of man for Yeah.
Scope of your choice, whatever you need.
Yeah. Or you can do it yourself. Just buy the gun and maybe you have a scope of home.
We wait 10 minutes from a good range and
Yeah. Yep.
Put put, install everything and Yep. Ready to roll.
So the older I get, the more that appeals to me, you know, get it out of the box. You know, it’s pretty close.
Adam been like that, Adam. I’ve been like that for a little while. Yeah. You know, just anything turnkey like that to make your life a little bit easier. Logan, you got anything?
I got nothing. You’re
Over
It. I don’t even have a truck. Yep.
Hey, how’d you get here? I was gonna, I thought about that.
My roommate has a work truck, so,
So if I was a nice guy, I would’ve asked you from eight
To five.
So you’re just nervous to drive it. I thought it was only between 55 and 65.
I am nervous to drive it. Yeah. I don’t know. Well, it’s getting work done on it right now and then, oh, I don’t know if I’m gonna take it. Yes. I don’t know if I’m gonna take it to Colorado. It, it does make me pretty nervous, so we’ll
See. Heck no. Come on bro. Would you,
Would you take it
Hundred percent? I would.
Jason, but
You’re only between fourth and fifth. Once in a while you’re gonna set the cruise and you’re never gonna see that shimmy again until you get there. Oh,
Maybe.
I’m totally in if
You get there.
I’m totally in and I mean, come on.
How
Are
You
Gonna let a truck stop stop you from going places?
I’m going to Colorado. You got, I just might not take that truck. You
Got star link. You know, people can follow his movements the whole way.
Yeah, we’ll follow you. We’ll have what? Drive following.
Find my phone. I’ll send you a pin when it breaks down.
Just share your locations with us. Okay.
You got it. You will. It’s happening. Doesn’t
Matter where you’re at in the Santa Fe. Well,
I cannot. Yeah, exactly. We’ll know where you’re at. I cannot stand being trackless like it’s just a
No, it drives me nuts. Yeah, I’m, I’m like on an enterprise right now trying to figure out how to get a car so I can get around. But
You are for a rental.
No, but that’s what I was thinking when I thought that the transmission was done. Done. Yeah. But I’m good now. I’ll have it put around.
Your folks got a vehicle. You’re all right. Pump the brakes.
Yep.
All right.
I, I’ve been in the field quite a bit, but I do get notifications when we get reviews on our store and we’ve been getting a ton of five star reviews on products and I didn’t prep Logan to share any of those, but maybe we will next time. Well, the
Store is bit cranking. We’ve had, we’ve had it up and going and, and fully stocked. Like anybody that’s looking for something go to the Epic outdoor store.
Yeah, I I I mean the testimonials are phenomenal. So I mean, if, if, if you haven’t left a review and you bought something from us, please do. They’re awesome. It’s good, you know, good to read. I mean, it’s, it’s just interesting the, the feedback that people get and how you know it, it really teaches you something about those specific products. So appreciate that. And I, I’ve got a testimonial on my own. I’ve got really bad problems with cramping up when I, when I hunt. Devon, do you not want to inject right here? So what some of the grandma’s recipes.
Is it mustard?
Mustard, pickle? Mustard, mustard seeds, pickle. I’ve tried. It didn’t, what were you saying? It didn’t work. No mustard
Didn’t work. You
Got problems then. I’ve been smashing the, the apex next evolution stuff. So you’ve been, you get leg cramps or sleeping at night or hiking leg cramps at night and sleeping at night. Yeah. But also when I’m hiking you drink water. So, and I don’t drink take c much water. That’s, that’s
My problem. My dad was saying that the other day and I was like, it’s ’cause you don’t drink water. You’re not
Hydrating. Yes. That’s me.
So I have a hard time. I I really hate drinking plain water. I do too. And so what about
Creatine? Are you on
Creatine? No. No. Jesus.
Don’t. You should talk your cine if you don’t drink water because
Yeah,
No, I don’t do creatine. We should
Talk to your brother about cramping.
Yeah. Know all about that.
Back me up on that.
Wyatt was a creatine taker.
That’s what caused the kidney stones that
Yeah. The t to porcelain.
Yeah, exactly.
So the mustard only works if like you’re in the heat of it, like you’re cramping.
Right, right,
Right. Then,
Right then immediate bandaid, it’s a bandaid. Shouldn’t
S slur mustard before you go to bed at night. Just for a pre
Pre preventative.
I’ve done it. Especially if
You’re sleeping next to your why you burp that thing up.
I’ve, I’ve learned to like it. Come on. Care. Oh yeah.
Well,
Okay.
Anyway.
The apex
Also. Yeah. So you know, it, it works. Awesome. At least you know, for me it makes it so I can drink a lot of fluids and the, and forces you to drink water. Yeah. If, if you want, we’ve still got that 25% off deal to try it. So if you do epic 25, how do you do that? Go to
When you go to their website,
Their website, order
It, use it as a discount code, use
It at the discount code. You get 25% off. Geez. It’s, it’s phenomenal. And you just put it in a water bottle. 16 ouncer and yeah, that quench and the recover has been freaking awesome. So also another, maybe just shout out for our podcast. Leave a review. We haven’t got any reviews, we haven’t pushed it at all.
We, we should give so
Away. But yeah. I appreciate when we get reviews on that. Helps, helps, helps promote our podcast. So
We should be giving something away. I don’t know how we gotten away from it. Basically we’re just, our heads are barely above water being out in the field so much. Yeah. But next podcast, we’re gonna give something away For sure. We’ll figure it out. Okay. Yep. Logan. Got it. Don’t be forgetting. Alright, I’ll write it down. Don’t let us forget. All right, well that’s all I got. I, as Wyatt would say, I got nothing.
Nothing.
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