In this episode of the Epic Outdoors Podcast the Epic Outdoors Crew sits reunites after a long season of hunting across the West. We talk about some of the major highlights of the season and plan for the year to come. We also cover a lot of major projects we have going here at Epic Outdoors and help our listeners understand what we can do to help their individual hunting dreams come true. We share a lot of humor as we reminisce 2017.

Disclaimer: this podcast has been transcribed from the original audio and likely contains errors. This transcription does not reflect the views and opinions of Epic Outdoors LLC. Please consult the original audio with any concerns.

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It’s like a 50, 60% kill with the youth

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Archery that kicked off a great season. No question. Those are unit wide tags. Sometimes they’re private land only tags right under us, less than a hundred yards.

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Anything to do with Western big games.

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Welcome to the Epic Outdoors Podcast, powered by Under Armour.

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Hey everybody. Jason Carter here along with the Epic Outdoors team here doing a podcast today. Gonna be covering a lot of fun things, some of our experiences here, hunting this fall, as well as our services magazines. A few things that are going on. We got a lot going on actually this time of year. So anyway, before we get started, we want to thank Under Armour for being the sponsor of this podcast, as well as a lot of the things we’re doing, they’re a major sponsor of Epic Outdoors, our magazine, YouTube podcasts, of course, about anything we do, they wanna be involved in and we want ’em involved in as well as others. I guess I could also mention Rockstar

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They’re not paying us, but they do power us up a bit and make for interesting podcasts. So anyway, we do, we do want to thank Under Armour again. We’ll be giving away some different items later on in this podcast. So the Epic outdoors crew sitting in one room,

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Reconvened Turkey days over. And I guess we’re back to the,

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I’m Jason Carter. Adam Bronson sitting next to me. John Peterson, my brother-in-law, or close to a brother-in-law. My other brother-in-law. Jeffrey, Jeff, John, and then Chris Peterson. He’s at the computer. We even gave him a mic today. How you doing?

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That’s right. I’m good.

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We can get a little prelude music from Chris today. Go ahead. Lead us off. Chris,

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I, I just haven’t prepared anything yet. Terrible. I don’t have a song written for

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This. A little acoustic. Ella, you can’t

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Anything. You can’t do anything like an impromptu, just a little something, something.

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I mean shake. I feel like it

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Shake it be slightly awkward. See what you got.

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Make this,

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Let’s make this be like the highway where we just start

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It off. What do you got? Just a little something.

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A little something. The highway. Find Chris Peterson. Bring your guitar. Next time. I’ll

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Have to bring my guitar next time. Dude, you

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Could crush something right now. Come on.

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All right. We, you’ve been warned. We’ll bring it up again. Epic Summer,

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Epic back to summer. Your major favorite first.

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That’s not gonna happen.

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Those of you don’t know we’re out there. We’re trying to get Chris to sing ’cause he is good at it. He’s get a lot of things. You Peterson’s are pretty blessed. Adam and I just have to work for a living. Oh, all right. Well here we are. Let’s see it. What day is today? November 28th ish. Yes sir. Plus or minus. That’s what it is. Finally got done hunting. And just talk about it a little bit. We started off, of course what May and June. Basically June started running trail cameras. Big old, long summer. Of course Adam, he had a long summer. He did a lot of scouting for a lot of people as well as himself.

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Yeah, seems like we, the three months went fast. We, I guess the first I get real hunt was the deer hunt in Utah, wasn’t it? That we all were on That was 18, 19, 20th and August. I can’t remember

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A little

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Bit of, we had an awesome trip there.

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And, and I’m sure, I don’t know when the release of that video is gonna be. Chris is working his magic on that at some point. But, we’ll, we got the teasers and all that on it. Huh? I think we got

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Part of it. It’s on YouTube, isn’t

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It? Well we had the, all the cell phone stuff up and I’m working on the other stuff later once we get rolling with

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Magazine. But that’s magazines and everything. But that’s how, that’s how it all started. That was, yeah, that’s been three months ago and we’ve been, feels like everywhere since, you know, collectively around the west. And we’ve been and done a lot of stuff and it’s been a great year. It’s a little bit always depressing to have it in, but so it is. And here we are back now. I dunno,

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My wife’s, my wife’s pretty excited.

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Of course. I don’t know why. I just come try to boss her around a little bit, you know, and yeah. But they seem to like it. So I guess I’ll keep bossing.

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Her excitement will last

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About two weeks.

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She’ll be like, when did she listen to this podcast? I’m gonna change things.

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You’ve heard of New Year’s resolution. Do something. They’re

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Coming early this year.

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So anyway, yeah, Bronson killed a fricking 220 inch plus deer. We were all there. Of course, he did the work and had him prec scouted. And we were just there to enjoy the moment with you. But what a freaking giant with a bow. It was a lot.

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It was a lot of fun. Part of the thing about archery hunting is you do get to go first and all of that opportunity comes and

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Most of the deer are still alive.

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They should all be other hunters. You know, the muzzle loader and rifle hunt’s. A different story that took place on the Henry Mountains, which is a place, you know, I spent a lot of time over the last 10 or 12 years and got an opportunity to hunt it. Yeah. And it was, it was epic. It was awesome. And second evening of the hunt, we had a, we had a party on the mountain. It was pretty special. Appreciate how you guys being there. Of course, Wayne Brown, one of my guides and good friends, he was there too. So we had a great, great hunt. Killed an awesome deer that kicked off a great season. No question. And it seems like for all of us, the ball rolled pretty hard and fast after that. We all scattered it seems like, all over the west. And we did a couple podcasts, one or two from literally when, wherever we were out in the field. I, I, I mean, I can’t remember where we all were at the time, individually. I know I was in Arizona Truck, one of them. But yeah, it was just in

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The truck scattered across the west.

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Yeah. But it’s been a good year. Been an awesome year. We look forward to bringing, you know, know through photos and through some video stuff and the YouTube channel we have just showing, showing y’all about what we did and what we had a fun time chasing this fall. Yeah, it was a great

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Year. It was. I know you guided a lot of clients. How many sheep hunters did you take this year?

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We took 12 here in Utah. 11. That’s a lot. 11 deserts. It was one of our biggest years ever. Maybe the biggest

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And the best. Not just numbers of clients, but big sheep. We killed

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A bunch of big fans for Utah. Utah. Sheep are doing really, really well right now. And killed the big rocky and a bunch of big deserts. It was another one of those, you know, years you just don’t wanna see come to an end. ’cause everyone would just, they weren’t without some grinding periods, you know, in the middle. It’s not like they all just tipped over. And it

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Seemed like they did. Every time. Every time I opened up Instagram, I’m like, all right, this brons and outfitting, whoever they are, I’m gonna need to unfollow ’em ’cause they’re taking over my feet.

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Those are the highlights. Obviously. They, they weren’t all easy. They, we were very blessed. But there was periods in there I’m like, geez, I hope, I hope we can grind another

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One out. Well, that you would send me a picture of a, like, I, I remember the pair of Big Sheep and you’re like, here’s a pair of giants. And you killed them both. Yeah. I mean, like, these are what’s left to be Oh, it

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Was, they were flying

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Off the shelf. It looked like, you know,

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It looked fast and furious there. A Black Friday sale that first week in September. The hunt we killed. Yeah. Five rams in that first six or seven days. And that was the plan. It was not Well, and I took a quick trip to Arizona. Arizona in the middle of that wake killed

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An elk. And I remember you’re like, geez, I guess I gotta stop hunting sheep to kill an elk. And by the way, 45 minutes outside my truck, I think I’ll killed a three 50 something with mass like crazy and with a bow.

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And you guys don’t come and,

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And don’t come, don’t video because he’s dead. He’s dead too late. Yeah. That was, I had my bags packed, ready to go ready head to Arizona. I was stoked then We

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Were, I was literally gone to Arizona. Well, I left. Yeah, I was gone from Utah and Arizona and back in 25 hours. Oh. It was just one of those things like how does this happen?

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Provided for meat for the family. And

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That night we got home that night, we got home. We killed another ram in Utah. It was just like,

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It was, was whatever.

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It was crazy

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It was good. But had a great time. Burned my, I had a 15 points or something in Arizona. Had to get 27, which I think we talked about before. Just one of those hunts that, you know, got out of the truck and started hiking up a trail. And I’d pre kind of scouted an area a little bit that figured I’d be alone on and heard a bull raking. Heard unmistakable. I thought I jumped an elk first. And then I kept hearing. It was really windy. I could tell that’s a bull trashing a tree. I knocked up and walked right in thinking I’m gonna stick this thing, whatever it is. Or maybe if it’s big enough and it, it went quiet. And after three minutes or so, you’re always like, all right. So I let out a little halfhearted bugle. And he more or less ran me over, you know, when they rake trees and stuff, they kind of get wound up a little bit.

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And I think that that bugle was just at the right moment. And he more or less ran me over. And I saw enough of him coming through that. I was at full draw when I saw vitals, when he came through. And he died pretty close to the truck. We’ll just leave it. And by myself as he is coming, I’m like, this is a gift. This is a gift. With all I got going on, he is big, big bull. And it’s all my schedule. I got bunch of sheep hunters and stuff still to go. It stressful. I’m one go.

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That’s the one thing about hunting, you know, at least the guys here in this office, I mean, you know, it’s stressful. It’s, it’s a great time of year. It’s phenomenal. It’s what we live for. We’re working round the clock the first six months of the year. But then when we finally get to go out, we overbook. I mean, I, I was nonstop, you know, with hunters. I took just a couple of deer hunters. But they’re not just average deer hunters. They want the best. And, and so there’s a lot of pressure. And then I’ve got my own tags and, and, and you guys feel the same way. I know Adam’s just like, and that’s my point of this is, is you go down and you’re hitting, you know, Arizona elk and learning a new unit and, and, and with that pressure of getting back quick and helping your guys, you know, the, the guides that work for you and whatnot and continuing to run the show.

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And so we just, but that’s part of it. It’s part of it. And what’s cool about it, in my opinion, is, is how many states we hunted this year. You know, I was in New Mexico for deer and elk. Both killed a 380 inch bull. Chris was there last morning, special experience, amazing opportunity. Public land drew the tag. And it just turned out that we ended up with a, with a giant. And, and he had broken off a little bit, quite a bit actually an inline and and whatnot. And still, still was right there at three 80, which was a phenomenal bull on a tag like that with a five day season. And, and then we, you know, end up in Colorado, I hit some, a new unit that I’d never hunted before. The cluster of unit 18 28, 37, 3 71. And spent a ton of time, well, not a ton of time by my standards on a ton of time is a month in Nevada. But Nevada was a ton. That’s a whole nother story. Butt kicker. But, you know, just, and then Adam drawn a Wyoming, you know, 1 28 deer tag. Jeff, you went and learned new stuff in Nevada, Utah, of course. Idaho. Your son Drew? Yeah, like a 54 elk tag. 52. 52, excuse me. 52 elk tag. Yeah, 54. That’d be a different, yeah.

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That’d, that’s the best unit

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In the state. But, but 52, which is still good. Still good. Really good. And made it happen. Tell us a little bit about that. Oh,

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We had a fun hunt. We went up there. We weren’t able to hunt opening day. ’cause we, we were muzzle loader hunting in Utah on the general. We went up there, we knew it was gonna be kind of tough, tough on that hunt, just because it’s a different, that’s a different style of hunt. N 52, you know, it’s, were

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There no aspen trees?

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No aspen trees. Not a tree. No trees. Honestly. No trees. The tallest thing you can see is literally a, is literally corn cornstalk. But you know, those elk were dug down into, you know, down into the lava pockets out there in, I mean, you’re basically hunting lava fields. I mean weird, gnarly, craggy stuff, but short, flat and, and just, just really choppy rolly beds dug into these little crevices and stuff like that where you can tell, you know, elk crawls in here, deer crawls in here. He’s gonna spend a lot of time with nobody seeing them. You, you not,

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Well, what’s crazy about that kind of country? And, and Adam and I have hit some of that type of terrain. There’s more terrain in there than you can imagine. You know, it’s just one of those things where that, you know, little draws and rocks and outcroppings and and whatnot can hide a lot of game.

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Oh, it, it, I think it would truly shock a guy. What’s really out there? I mean, and you see it, you see it. Some of these deer that have been shot out there this year, 52, a 52, all that country. They’ve killed some giants out there, you know, giants. One of our members were out there with a, with an elk tag. He killed a great bull. Three 50. Yeah, 3 51. A beautiful bull. Beautiful bull. So, you know, it’s just, it’s one of

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Those, he was telling you he didn’t know of any of the elk. Couldn’t, didn’t, couldn’t find any

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Elk. Well, he worked hard then he killed a giant, he went there. Oh, he worked hard. He, he got there early. He did it right. He spent a lot of time, a lot of time in there hunting and just made it happen. He did, he did a great job. Did a great job. Yeah. We got there second morning or second day of the hunt that we were there, you know, second full day that we hunted. And my boy made, made a lucky shot. You know, I just wasn’t paying attention to him. Chris was there, he was right over our back filming the whole thing. He wasn’t really paying attention or I wasn’t paying attention. He pulls up with his gloves on and that gun, we, we picked up that gun from Thompson that Weatherbee has a pretty sensitive trigger. And he pulled up, got the, you know, got the hair in the scope and gave

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Him a warning shot.

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Gave him a warning shot. But it was a warning shot.

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But it, it hit him in the head.

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Hit him in the head, dropped him on a tongue

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Break. I mean, it’s the best. It was over.

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It was over

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Instantly. It’s the most ethical kill shot there is. If you shoot something in the brain, it will die. Yes.

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Immediately. Luckily, I mean, we got,

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And it will drop before the camera has trans Oh,

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Get it. Yes. That

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Actually happened. We, we, we got set up and I had the bull on the camera and then we, we moved 10 feet for some reason and got reset and all of a sudden the gun goes off and the bull disappeared. And we’re like, we, you

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Weren’t sure. Okay. I didn’t even have my binos up. I, we had no idea. You

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Guys are like, well, no way. He hit him. ’cause the gun accidentally basically went four ready premature. How old?

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How old’s boy? 13. He’s 13 years old. This is his.

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So we got a 13

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Year old real elk cunt. Yeah.

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Dad should have let him drive. Fired a couple of times now to south.

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But he, he had shot, he had shot, but,

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Oh, so he’d shot it,

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He’d shot the gun. Oh, okay. But he just had the gloves off. He had the gloves on and, and, and I should have been paying attention. Pulled the gloves off and, and just made sure he was, he was good that way. It happened kind of quick. I mean, it happened really quick. Really. But

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It seemed like he didn’t even know that the didn’t bull was dead. Your

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Brother’s like, we didn’t know the bull’s

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Dead over there.

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Yeah, we didn’t know. We had no clue. Like we had, my brother and my dad were set up on the opposite side. On the opposite side of us. And we were just like, he gets down and he instantly, he’s, he’s sick. He just starts going, I didn’t mean to shoot, I didn’t mean to shoot. And we’re like, okay, okay, okay. Anyway, my brother’s like, either the bull has just found some crevice and it took off, or he’s piled up done. ’cause he’s, he just dropped and was gone. And we’re like, well, we can’t see him either. And I could see kind of somewhat on both sides we’re like, he might be dead. Maybe

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He hit him.

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Maybe he had a, we were, we were dying. We didn’t know. So we started working our way over there walking and I’m looking and I think Casson my boy is the one that spotted and he’s like, he’s like, there’s a horn right there. And I’m like, I look up there and here’s just one side of the six point just coming up off outta the sage bridge. We’re like, oh my gosh. Stone

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Cold dead right in his track. Oh my gosh.

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Right in his track. Didn’t move. We’re like,

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Wow, that’s awesome. Was that’s pretty cool. And boy got to walk up on a six point bull at 13 years old. That’s pretty

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Awesome. That’s, that’s awesome. Off a draw tag. Yeah,

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Off a draw tag.

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Speaking of youth draw tag. So Adam’s boy draws same thing. Deer

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Tag two in Idaho, deer in unit 54, which, you know, went to the end of October. All of us, I believe took time. You know John, I know you hunted with your boy in Utah. You killed a nice buck. Jason, you hunted with your boys in Utah. Like you said, Jeff, you hunted. I think the muzzle loader hunt. But I took my, my son and daughter on Utah General, their first Utah General hunt, 12 year old. Anyway, it was an awesome, we killed a couple bucks here and then went up to Idaho the last, about two and a half days. Actually. We snuck in two more rams after their Utah killed two rams for that weekend, then went to Wyoming, went to Idaho, had two and a half days there. Open spot in stock country. Yeah. Found a couple of four point bucks, four by fives actually.

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And he was able to kill one of those the second to last day. Really good looking buck for him. And it’s pretty dang fun. That was honestly one of the highlights of my years. Yeah. Hunting with kids. It’s so fun. I don’t know the pressure pressure’s there, but it’s so different because their expectations are more, way more manageable than our own or the clients we take. It’s sure. No question. Just, just such a relief. I mean, most of the time you’re holding them back. Yeah. I mean, some of Jason’s kids have gotten a little bit spoiled and they see a three point that’s 27 inches and they thumbed their nose at it. Well,

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Had that happen.

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Yes. And

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He didn’t kill one. How about that?

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Right. So on, on a Utah general tag, it’s a three point lip curling dose, I think on the general dude.

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It was an awesome buck. And, and I’m like, really? We should that deer. And he’s like, is he a four point dad? And I’m thinking, well, should I add in the I guards? Yes. Some He is, he’s

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Actually, he’s actually an eight

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Anyway. And it just like, it’s so frustrating. I mean, anyway. And they do, like, it’s just like, I tell this story with Sean, like, I brought home a buck. He was like a 200 inch deer. And he’s like, really? Dad? That’s the best you could do. That’s, yeah. And I’m like, Sean, that’s a giant that

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There, that was 45 days of, of effort. Yeah. To

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Bring that one, to have my son say, Hmm, nice. I guess what are you gonna do if you’re throwing him on the rack? Yeah. And I’m like, Sean, that’s a giant. I said, why don’t you go kill 200 inch? It’s true. Oh, my kids are awesome. Just

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We have talked about it before. I mean, your kids are a little tainted. There’s some unreal expectations

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From all our kids are all our, and some of it’s social media. They’re on social media seeing what we’re seeing and we all wanna be sitting behind a giant, you know. But anyway, and, and these, you know, Sean actually, he killed a buck in Utah and then he’s got a Youth New Mexico tag in January. That tree. Oh, that’s

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Right. That’s still coming up. It’s gonna be fun.

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January 1st. And Adam and I were looking at statistics as we were running through, they’re in the magazine. It’s like a 50 60% kill with the youth archery. That’s amazing. On Bucks. Unreal. Like, it’s unbelievable. And so anyway, of course I’m getting him another dozen arrows. It’s

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Not a bad cop. I’m

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Gonna really try. I mean it’s, it’s, you gotta, you gotta be ethical and take ethical shots, but we all get buck fever, especially when you’re, you know, 15 years old. Yeah, yeah. So anyway, it, it should be a fun hunt and a and a great experience. Again, back in New Mexico learning unit two B have never really hunted it. So, so yeah.

00:19:35:02 –> 00:19:52:00
Where collectively did we go? Let’s, I’m gonna take a stab. We hunted, obviously Utah, hunted Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico, Wyoming, Idaho, Nevada. And is that all the states? Yeah. You said, but a lot of people, we hunted Mexico. Mexico

00:19:52:03 –> 00:19:53:10
In January, this past January.

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We didn’t hunt Montana. I guess that’s, that’s probably one of the main West States. No,

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They didn’t give us us a sheep pack or anything, but we

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Hunted a lot. Lots of, lots of, lots of kill

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And multiple hunts in the water. Those

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States we’re, yeah. And we’re planning for this next year. But I think that’s part of doing what we do here at Epic is, is actually, you know, being in the field and, and putting the time in. Even Jeff, you know, spending as much time as he can spend. Of course we’ve got all, we all have office duties, but it’s just, you gotta hunt. If you’re gonna talk about hunting, you’re gonna write about hunting and you’re gonna, and you got kind of gotta live for it. Right, right. So, and, and we all do. So it’s awesome. We did put our hands on a few giants and it was awesome. Even spent some time Arizona deer with a member of ours that drew a deer tech and went with Sam Derringer, an outfit of ours. That’s a super good friend of ours, Adam. And I’ve dealt with him over the years. And of course he’s a been a podcast guest. Absolutely. And went out there and killed a 218 inch deer super heavy just

00:20:57:01 –> 00:20:58:07
A couple days ago. That’s recent.

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Yeah. A couple days ago. And you know, that deer had holes in his feet, all four of his feet. And like when you actually push on, you know, right around those sores or, you know, hold whatever you wanna call ’em. Very, very sensitive. Like just very sensitive. You can tell just, I mean, you got a fourth inch to a half inch play on the soft part of his feet. I just crazy what the Rutt does to some of these bucks and some of the habitat and terrain.

00:21:26:12 –> 00:21:28:16
Sandy country. Yeah. Just wore him down. Just

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Wore him out and he was worn out. But such a matter, I I would love to have had a, a collar on him to see he went five miles in one night, knew where he was on a Friday night at 6:00 PM and the next morning he was five miles away. It just would be amazing to have known a where he summered how much country he covered and then how much country he’s covered in the last 20 days. Probably blow your mind. Oh yeah. You know, but, but anyway, so the December issue, December issue of Epic Outdoors is out. And we changed it up a little bit. We wanted to cover it by species. We, we normally talk about the states and kind of give a brief overview. And Adam and I and John and of course Jeff and Chris and everybody here at Epic, you know, came up with a, with just kind of how to change it up a little bit. So we went species by species to kind of give guys, if you’re a deer hunter, here’s deer and this is kind of what we recommend you do. And, and hopefully everybody that that gets that kind of understands that and then, and it’s well received. I think it will be, it’s what we would wanna see, you know, ourselves. And that’s kind of how we do epic

00:22:34:04 –> 00:23:35:09
Outdoors. Yeah. Just kind of gives you a 30,000 foot overview of if you’re interested in deer or elk or sheep or antelope or all the species as we went through, here’s the state you should be considering. Here’s those that are must apply for in our opinion, here’s some you might consider and why, you know, based on upfront fees, drawing odds, you know, trophy quality opportunity, all the different factors. So hopefully it, it, you know, if you’ve not got, you know, a clear idea of why you should be doing a certain state or why you shouldn’t be doing it, hopefully it just gives you something to think about. We’ll obviously go in much more specific detail from January to June and each state and each species, you know, the ins and outs of why and as far as specific units and weapon types where, but hopefully that gives you a little bit different perspective than we’ve offered before in the past. And just what’s, what’s primarily just been a, here’s a very generic state overview, which frankly when we go to print there could change in a month or two is the new regs come out. And so we thought, you know, this makes, instead

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Of doing out outdated info. Yeah, let’s just talk gen general speaking about the species,

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And I think, we’ll you’ll see coming out in January and February, we intend to give a little bit more insight as to maybe our own personal application strategies, Jason, I and others as to how we mentally approach each year going in how, what we first consider before we start filing our applications, how we kind of base our fall plans around it and how we proceed through it. Because it does stake some, some strategy, particularly when you’ve got points built up that you’ve got some tags that are kind of sitting out there waiting to be drawn with accumulated points and things like that. So stay tuned for that here in the next issue or two, we’ll break down our personal application strategy, things like that. But yeah, the December magazine, if you haven’t got it already, you should be getting it any day. The only real, I guess urgent thing, if you are interested in applying for doll sheep in Alaska, that deadline is December 15th.

00:24:32:27 –> 00:25:25:29
You do need an outfitter, a guide client agreement signed with an outfitter registered guide there. That’s the only urgent deadline that we cover in that, in that issue is the, the Alaska well all species, but primarily doll sheep. You don’t have to draw a tag in Alaska to go hunt doll sheep. They are better areas generally than the over the counter areas. But if you wanna plan or see something two or three years in advance, get in con contact with this. We can help you set up with an outfitter that has doll sheet pumps and guaranteed areas. But if you’re interested, call us here before the deadline. We get you in touch with an outfitter. You guys discuss the units that fit you both from a trophy perspective or physical limitations or any other expectations you have. So you can meet that, get an application in for Alaska, it is a, it is about $200. They’ve increased their license fees, so it’s not an $85 and a $5 application fee like it used to be. So it be

00:25:25:29 –> 00:25:27:06
Non-refundable. It’s gonna, it’s all

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A little bit, it’s a couple hundred bucks and the odds aren’t great to draw, but some great hunts, which if you do decide to put in, yeah, if you

00:25:33:28 –> 00:26:23:18
Wanna go do sheep hunting, we can send you on a hunt. So don’t think you have to apply. And I think that’s what Adam’s point was. Don’t, you don’t have to apply to go hunting, but if you’d like a shot at maybe a couple of the more trophy units or units that are managed on a draw basis, then, then we can sure help you out with that. And so this December issue does mark a year in business, so yeah, it’s pretty awesome. While we say one year we’ve been in this hunting industry in the same basic business for many, many years, probably going on 20 now. And so it’s not like we’re new at this, we’re actually veterans. And anyway, I take pride in in, in being some of the best consultants out there. And I, and I don’t mean that lightly and I, and I also don’t wanna sound arrogant, but but we do what we, we talk about, we’ve done it for years and years and years.

00:26:23:19 –> 00:27:20:19
We live for it. There’s not a lot of other things we do in life or that we enjoy doing. Obviously, you know, a couple of you guys are sports fanatics and of course you got a little more depth than maybe I have, but, but having said that, this is what we live for. This is obviously what Adams lives for and Jeff and and myself and, and of course Chris and John are just awesome at what they do and, and, and live for the business and as well as hunting and, and are are good at what they do, whether it be the digital side of things and, and as well as the graphic design being a year in business. We’ve been working a long time. I want to let you talk John, a little bit about some of the new things that are coming out with the online features. You know, if you don’t have your disin issue, like Adam was talking about, you should be getting it any day. But it is also available as an emag with that. We’ve had an EMAG available all year, but we’re also coming out with new dig digital services for our a hundred dollars membership each year. Go ahead John. Yeah,

00:27:20:19 –> 00:27:54:07
Those, those are gonna be launched here shortly. You’ll be able to log in and go into your account and see the EM mags really easy. You can see when you expire and change your address, change your email. Some of those things that are, are just gonna be building over time. Actually we’re gonna release the Wyoming odds here, here really soon and you’ll be able to go on, look up any unit and have a lot of different tools that way and just a lot more is gonna be coming. So we’re, we’re working on building that Arizona

00:27:54:07 –> 00:27:55:10
As well, right? Arizona

00:27:55:10 –> 00:28:11:26
As well. We’re gonna kind of release those with the states when we go over, you know, state information then we’re gonna release the odds online, but just look for that to build and build, you know, if you don’t see it now, it’s gonna gonna be coming in the future. Yeah, yeah.

00:28:11:26 –> 00:28:30:28
It’s just another way to I guess, analyze, you know, a little bit different depiction obviously when we print something in the magazine, we have a finite amount of space that we can actually go over a unit and you can’t always portray two or three years, you know, graphically on each unit in the magazine or

00:28:31:20 –> 00:28:32:11
Two or 300 pages

00:28:32:11 –> 00:29:06:23
In Colorado, for example. That’s right. You know, so just keep that in mind. It was a feature we’ve always planned on adding and we’re glad to just about start releasing that again. There’ll be state by state as they become available or application opens up in each of those states. That’s our intention. There may be some that are month or two ahead of time, but look forward to just adding that as another service for our members to be able to look and strategize, you know, use the magazine as a tool but also use the odds online as a, as another reference to help see where you’re at, where you’re sitting and making your application plans. Yeah,

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Well I think that’s a, you know, it’s gonna be awesome. It’s one of those things that’s, it’s been a year in the making, you know, coming up with the odds and not, you know, it’s not been taken lightly, been working on it aggressively full-time having, you know, data entry isn’t the easiest thing in the world and it’s not something you can just grab from the state and, you know, plug it in and it, and it converts itself. You’ve got, it’s a manual process to a degree. So anyway, we’re super excited about that. A lot going on with the Epic membership. Of course you get the magazine, it’s nine issues a year, you know, it’s monthly from now till June covering all the states. And then what’s bimonthly is we’re out in the field and you’re out in the field and you know, from then on.

00:29:48:27 –> 00:30:50:22
So it’s, it’s growing and we love it. We’ve had a course, we’ve had a a just rave reviews across the board, you know, and, and we’re just awesome. Just feels epic’s so strong right now and, and we’re gonna keep that momentum going. We, it’s our goal of course, you know, as we know in-house, but we haven’t maybe said it outwardly to, you know, but to be the best. I mean, we wanna be the best at Western big game hunting. We’re not gonna go be doing overseas, we’re not gonna be, we may, we may do it, but we’re, it’s not gonna be the focus of Epic outdoors. Epic outdoors focus is western big game hunting. Canada, Alaska, Mexico. So with that, I wanted to kind of kick off a little bit about our membership drive. It’s a true membership drive. You can’t buy, you buy your way in the, you know, if you refer a guy, you’ll get another name in the hat for, for the hunts that we’re gonna give away. Or if you get two guys, three guys, there’s no limit to how many guys you can get in. You can and you don’t have to pay their membership, it’s just that you refer somebody. So, or

00:30:50:22 –> 00:30:54:05
Renew your membership if you’ve been with us since last year. Yeah. Like in

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There as well. Any current member will get a name in the hat. And then of course you can get more names in the hat by referring your friends family. Yeah.

00:31:00:29 –> 00:31:02:16
All your buddy has to do is mention your

00:31:02:16 –> 00:31:10:11
Name. Yeah. When, when they, so with that Adam, maybe talk about, you know, their options as far as the hunts that we’re giving away. Yeah.

00:31:10:11 –> 00:32:36:28
It’ll be somewhat similar to last year. And yeah, we really appreciate all of you listeners that are already members and those that are maybe considering members. Here’s something you might consider. We are through the, I believe it’s the end of February, John is the deadline for the entry of this February 28th. Anybody that that renews or joins our service prior to that date, or refers somebody that joins our service and mentions your name will be entered into that drawing. There’s no limit how many times your name can go in as long as you, you know, refer members or sign ’em up, give ’em a Christmas gift or, or whatever. The winner will get their choice of a, obviously a fully outfitted Alaska doll sheep hunt, which last year’s winter took that one or a Utah mule deer hunt, fully guided mule deer hunt with the epic crew and participation of that as well as the third option is a Utah elk hunt once again with some of the epic crew there on that. So we, we wanna make those, I guess, appealing. We realize everybody has, you know, maybe a dream hunt or two or maybe is a different position in their life or whatever. And, you know, give you the choice you want a doll sheep, you want to hunt a big mule deer or a big elk. And we’ll draw that the end of February, well maybe March 1st, but, but entries are, are going into that through the end of February 28th.

00:32:36:28 –> 00:33:11:07
Okay. That’s awesome. Super excited to give, give that hunt away. You know, it’s just, it’s a way of us kind of, you know, obviously letting people, having our members let everybody know that we’re in business and what we’re all about and what we’re doing. And, and, and we appreciate you for it. And hopefully one of you guys, we’ll be hearing from you and have you on a podcast whoever wins the hunt. So to get us out, I mean, just kind of boring information. So I wanna, I want to have some more, some light entertainment for a minute. So let’s break, let’s break for some light entertainment and then we’ll go into some more

00:33:11:07 –> 00:33:11:22

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John’s hunting with his son

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Experience with his son in Utah.

00:33:17:14 –> 00:33:31:01
This, this is good. This is a good hunt. You know, there’s, there’s one thing I I kind of forget about before the hunts, you know, you’re preparing mentally to go and scouting online and you know, Google Earth and finding all your spots and then going out in the field and prec scouting

00:33:31:11 –> 00:33:33:29
And getting your kid ready. It’s a little extra pressure.

00:33:34:02 –> 00:33:37:14
Yeah. And then you cannot plan for other people. You

00:33:37:14 –> 00:33:48:28
Forget other people are doing that very same thing. Yes. They’re Google their thing, they know their glassy knob, they know where they’re gonna shoot a deer, drag it out, how to get it out. All those things. An opening day that hits you between the eyes. It does.

00:33:49:03 –> 00:33:51:28
Especially on the Utah general

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Gen Deere. Yes.

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While there’s giants in Utah general, there are also hordes of people,

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Giant crowds ofs

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Often refer to us

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Pumpkin patches, the pumpkin patch.

00:34:03:19 –> 00:34:03:25

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Here we are,

00:34:06:03 –> 00:34:33:27
At least in my, and and maybe you guys can talk about what your strategy is when you get somewhere, let’s say you’re not the first person. I always have a plan B and a backup where I’m gonna go or what I’m gonna do. And so, you know, there’s an option. I also try to beat, you know, the other people there if in case you know, somebody else gonna be in the right, in the place. So we get there and I’d say we are set up an hour before light we’re in place. Are you

00:34:33:27 –> 00:34:36:04
Up on your knob or you are waiting in the truck to hike up

00:34:36:04 –> 00:34:41:23
To it? No, no, we’re on the knob. We’re sitting there an hour before light. And I mean, nobody else is there

00:34:42:05 –> 00:34:42:21
Staking in the claim.

00:34:42:29 –> 00:34:46:17
And your kids like, dad, what are we doing here? An hour, an hour before?

00:34:46:27 –> 00:34:49:26
Lemme remind you, dad, it’s public land and the sun’s

00:34:49:26 –> 00:34:53:19
Not up yet. Yes. And and we’re set up on a rock all the

00:34:53:19 –> 00:34:57:05
While you’re seeing headlights coming at you, right? Yes. Hundreds of vehicles. It feels like.

00:34:57:17 –> 00:35:24:29
It feels like it. And, and we did have a couple that that saw that, you know, our vehicle was, was out at the front of the road and, and we were in position, you could see us, we were up on a, on a ledge overlooking this area that we were, you know, potentially gonna shoot. And, and some did turn, you know, turn around, you know, went in different area. We had two or three that that came and parked right under us. I mean, we’d walked in. So our truck was, they knew you were there. They knew we were there.

00:35:25:04 –> 00:35:26:08
It was daylight enough. It’s orange,

00:35:26:18 –> 00:35:30:23
It was daylight enough by the time they got there. Okay. And we had,

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Which is fine, I mean, which is okay.

00:35:33:11 –> 00:35:39:22
Right. I mean, it’s okay. It’s public land. At least I try to go where the, their gun is not pointing in my direction.

00:35:41:28 –> 00:35:47:16
Okay. So you’re set up, you’ve got, you’ve got a gun in the claw aimed right? Where they’re sit. Where they’re gonna sit. Yes.

00:35:47:24 –> 00:36:01:17
Okay. So these guys come and they hike up right under us, less than a hundred yards. I mean they’re, they’re within, we can hear ’em whispering, you know, kind of thing, like straight down the ridge. So I start, I’m like, oh my gosh, they’re not gonna sit right under us. Keep

00:36:01:17 –> 00:36:03:05
In mind, I know you’ve got a plan B.

00:36:03:26 –> 00:36:08:17
Well, I’m, I’m at plan A and I’m there first. Okay. My plan B is for if someone’s in my spot, my

00:36:08:17 –> 00:36:13:08
Plan B is to go down and kick their butt. What was your plan B? What was your plan B?

00:36:13:26 –> 00:36:26:11
So anyway, so it, I mean it’s dead quiet. Dead quiet. They set up right under us and I turned to my son and I’m like, I, I can’t believe they’re gonna set up right, right where his gun is pointing right at him right in front of you.

00:36:26:23 –> 00:36:33:06
So I can tell you’re gonna do maybe something, you’re gonna do something, you’re gonna teach your son how to take care of the problem.

00:36:33:18 –> 00:36:58:04
Right. Well, I’m thinking, what, what can I do? I’m talking to somebody else that’s got a gun as well. So you know, you Yeah. Anyway, so I, I yell at ’em. Hey, do you want us to just shoot over you? You physically yelled him? I physically yell. I’m like, are you, how this is ruined crack of daylight. How many yards are you away from them? Less than a hundred. I mean it’s, Hey. Yeah. You don’t really have to to yell. So, so Carter filmed it and

00:36:59:05 –> 00:37:04:11
Again, teaching your boy how to take care, how to take the matters into your own hands. I

00:37:04:11 –> 00:37:17:11
Like the place is ruined. The video’s great. It really is. Oh, so yeah, we put, I put it on Instagram and it, it’s just, it’s just amazing. Like, dude, you’re somebody sitting in your spot, don’t sit, you know, 60 yards in

00:37:17:11 –> 00:37:18:26
Front of, it’d better to come sit right next to you. Yeah.

00:37:19:25 –> 00:37:20:04

00:37:20:09 –> 00:37:20:26
Line with your

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Bullet and communicate Right. Or something. And so the guy’s like, well, well no, don’t, don’t shoot over our head. You can see it. We’re set up, the gun is pointing and you sit in front of our gun. Wow. Come on. Yeah. Off. So fast forward day or two or whatever to you guys did kill a buck. There’s kind of a funny story to that too.

00:37:41:07 –> 00:37:42:17
They finished him and,

00:37:42:17 –> 00:38:43:16
And Carter and Carter’s killed a nice buck on the Utah general, you know, a nice four point in the past. In the past. So he kind of wanted that kind of deer again or Yeah. And so, or hunt, hunt for one at least he’s at the end of the, at the end of the hunt, you know, we’ll kill about anything. Yeah. And just for some meat and, and whatnot. But early on, you know, he’s holding out for, for some decent buck. Decent buck. Yeah. So it was still early on, probably two, three days into it. And we, we hear some shooting and there’s only us and these other guys down, you know, down the ridge that were in this area, here’s some shooting a couple shots and then we see a buck coming out of the trees. And this is early though, right? This is early. Early. Really early. Yeah. I mean, crack of daylight. We hear the shooting and, and then we, we see the butt coming out and it, it, it’s got a big, big frame, you know, it ended up being a 27 inch two point. Okay. And so, well it was a two by three, but, but it, it had a, with I guards it’d be three before. Yeah. Right.

00:38:45:01 –> 00:38:48:02
Be a seven point. That’s a good point. Whatever we’re talking It’s a good point

00:38:48:25 –> 00:38:54:13
With point. Yeah. And, and it’s hit. And so

00:38:54:29 –> 00:38:59:26
Obviously it’s dragging something or it’s Yeah. Laboring to even walk, run or

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Whatever. And, and it’s hit twice. So we see it’s in one of the legs and, and it’s in a, in a bad way. Well, but

00:39:07:23 –> 00:39:10:22
It’s beyond now outta sight from those guys. Yeah. Like it’s

00:39:10:22 –> 00:39:50:28
Outta sight get in the way. And it, it showed up kind of at the base of this ridge and we watched it for a long time and it just kept coming towards us. And, and then we saw the, the guy tracking, there’s guy tracking it behind it and at one point he lost the trail or whatever and kind of went back up the hill, up the mountain into the trees so he could, he was no longer on the trail comes by us. I I, I asked Carter, what do you want to do? You know, there’s a chance, I mean we should probably put it down. There’s a chance we won’t find the guy in that case, you know, we’ll have to tag it. He decided Yeah, let’s put it down. We’ll try to find him. Go from there Anyway, so he he puts puts it down.

00:39:51:00 –> 00:40:29:27
Puts it down and couple rounds, right? Couple rounds. Yeah. Smokes a sucker. So Yeah. You know, until the head’s on the ground to keep foot. Yeah. He’s been taught well. Yeah. So anyway, so we go up there and, and I think that the, the head is caught in the tree, but we get up there and realize his head’s still up. So he puts two more in it, point blank, the deer’s, you know, out of its misery. Everything’s great. So we, we go back down the hill and the guys come up in their truck and we’re like, Hey, did you, did you shoot a deer? And they’re like, yeah, yeah we did. I

00:40:30:00 –> 00:40:31:09
Like, well I think we finished it off,

00:40:31:13 –> 00:40:51:08
We finished it off, it’s right up here, you know, you want to go up and, and get it? And he and I said, yeah, it’s, it’s a pretty big two by three. And the guy looked at me and goes, I I think we shot one bigger than that. I’m like, we are the only people here. You are the only other hunters in the area. You,

00:40:51:08 –> 00:40:53:01
You were tracking this thing we watched. Did you?

00:40:53:01 –> 00:41:07:15
Yeah, we watched track. Did you say it? Well no, he, he was just like, I’m sure that wasn’t ours. Yeah. You know, did he, they point didn’t the deer at that? They hadn’t No, they hadn’t seen it, but I told went off two by three. Right. You know, should’ve said three by 4 27 inches. Yeah.

00:41:08:02 –> 00:41:10:29
Got a just 20 typical up here from the looks of

00:41:10:29 –> 00:41:14:14
It. And they couldn’t get outta there fast enough. Yeah.

00:41:14:20 –> 00:41:15:26
They didn’t even walk over to the deer.

00:41:16:01 –> 00:41:46:20
No, no. Didn’t even see it. Just, just wanted to get outta there, you know, as soon possible. So, so anyway. And Carter was fine with it, a little bit disappointed ’cause he would’ve, you know, he would’ve, he wouldn’t have taken that shot. He’s doing somebody a favor. Right. Yeah. But you know, in, you tell, you tell a lot of the last bullet so wins. Yeah. You know, which, and he was fine with that. I think it was the right thing to do. ’cause the deer was, that’s right. The deer was sick, but the guy, they weren’t gonna find it. Well and the deer was moving toward thicker trees. Right. And they would’ve lost. Yeah. He was going up into thicker trees and Yeah. They wouldn’t have found it. So

00:41:46:23 –> 00:41:52:16
Good lessons there. I mean, good. He ended up killing a deer. Maybe not optimally the way he’d want, but the last still

00:41:52:16 –> 00:41:54:05
27 inch deer though. Four rounds.

00:41:54:05 –> 00:41:55:12
That’s a big frame. Sounds

00:41:55:12 –> 00:41:56:16
Like four rounds.

00:41:56:22 –> 00:41:58:12
I mean, I’m gonna put a half pound of lead in there.

00:41:59:25 –> 00:42:00:07

00:42:00:07 –> 00:42:01:00
Always exhilarating.

00:42:01:06 –> 00:42:06:06
I mean, and that good, a good deer didn’t go to waste. Right. Which is what I thinks important.

00:42:06:21 –> 00:42:07:00

00:42:07:22 –> 00:42:07:29

00:42:07:29 –> 00:42:15:18
Sure. So, but just crazy, you know, they obviously it was big enough for ’em to shoot it at daylight, you know? Yeah. And

00:42:15:23 –> 00:42:27:14
That’s general season hunting for you or public land. I mean things like that are gonna happen and that’s good, good teaching opportunity there for you, John. Obviously things you can’t plan ’em out, especially on a hunt like a Utah general, there’s

00:42:27:16 –> 00:42:28:26
Gonna be Yeah, that’s the thing I was gonna say.

00:42:29:02 –> 00:42:35:00
There’s gonna be things dealt to you instead of you making things happen, you know, all the time.

00:42:35:08 –> 00:42:35:14

00:42:36:02 –> 00:42:54:01
A lot of these guys come from California or wherever they come and, and we all know they killed big deer on these general hunts. They really do. Like, it happens, but be prepared. ’cause you’re gonna see a sea of orange in the morning. You are. It’s just the way it works.

00:42:54:22 –> 00:42:57:29
You are. And the ethical thing to do is to clean up everything that’s wounded

00:42:59:16 –> 00:43:01:10
As long as you have a tag be

00:43:01:13 –> 00:43:01:14

00:43:01:21 –> 00:43:03:04
To put on. Okay, good. Good point.

00:43:03:09 –> 00:43:08:02
If you have a tag to put on it. Yes, you did the right thing. I mean, he

00:43:08:02 –> 00:43:12:13
Did the right thing. So, so all right, well, cool story. Cool

00:43:12:13 –> 00:43:14:04
Story. Do you wanna fast forward to Colorado here,

00:43:16:05 –> 00:43:16:13

00:43:16:23 –> 00:43:17:13
To what extent

00:43:17:14 –> 00:43:22:23
Jeff think you wanna, where you going Colorado, Jeff? I take take two.

00:43:22:24 –> 00:43:24:04
Let’s start over. I know,

00:43:24:04 –> 00:43:24:16
It’s just,

00:43:24:16 –> 00:43:43:23
I’m just saying. Well, we might as well go there. All right. So I’m up there. I pre-Cal and John ends up with the same tag I’ve got, which is a four season 18 cluster. And lots and lots of deer, but not a lot of big deer. I did end up finding a good buck. He’s probably, Jason found a

00:43:43:23 –> 00:43:44:01
Great buck

00:43:44:10 –> 00:43:59:01
Low to mid one nineties, and I should have, I should have maybe been more aggressive with him, but I just, you know, I want to kill a a big deer. A giant deer. Yeah. And so anyway, John, I guess so,

00:43:59:08 –> 00:44:04:10
Well, for a little bit of background, I wasn’t up there because I was doing the December issue. Yeah. And so I had,

00:44:04:13 –> 00:44:07:23
And I told you, I told you, don’t sweat it. I got it. Yeah. I’ll go scout for it. So I

00:44:07:23 –> 00:44:29:12
Had two days in a row. I, I had a couple of problems with the, with my computer and, and things like that. Just things didn’t go smooth. And so I put in 23 hours the first day, the first night, went home, got an hour of sleep, and then came back and put in 20 more hours on the magazine. On the magazine. Finally got it to the printer and was able to leave.

00:44:29:19 –> 00:44:32:20
Hard to believe, don’t you think, Adam? Do you think you really put in 20 hours of

00:44:34:08 –> 00:44:43:14
Whatever he says? I believe it’s unfortunate because once Jason and I get it, get it refined and edited and passed our, we’re, we’re literally like,

00:44:44:03 –> 00:44:45:06
We wipe our hands. We’re

00:44:45:06 –> 00:44:47:18
Like, John, it’s all yours. We’re going hunting. Good luck. Good luck with your,

00:44:48:11 –> 00:44:50:13
We can’t, good luck with all the glitches. We can’t

00:44:50:14 –> 00:45:06:20
Graphic those aren. My, my problems graphic graph. We can’t graphic design, I can’t do paint. I can’t make something in paint. You know, I can barely use those little gif and those little emoji things on your phone. You know, those are kind of cool. That’s as far as my graphic design stuff goes. So, so it’s truly in John’s hands. Yeah.

00:45:07:01 –> 00:45:25:17
So I was, I was sleep deprived and then we’ve got an eight to eight to nine hour drive. And luckily I had my wife that made the drive for me, so Yeah. Yeah. You know, I, I was fairly delirious by the time I got up there. And then, you know, we went out, Jason and I went out to, was it second day or opening morning?

00:45:25:17 –> 00:45:26:29
Opening morning. Opening morning.

00:45:27:02 –> 00:45:27:11

00:45:27:17 –> 00:45:34:13
Well, you got there late and I’m like, Hey, just show up at my truck at five 30. Let’s go at, yeah. So I got a spot jump

00:45:34:13 –> 00:45:35:01
In there and

00:45:35:01 –> 00:45:40:14
I’m like, we’re gonna kill this buck. I pre scouted, I’m gonna put John on the steer, we’re gonna smoke it. Yeah. Yeah. And five day season. Yep.

00:45:40:22 –> 00:45:42:28
So Jason puts me on it. Well, no,

00:45:42:28 –> 00:46:03:28
We see it right off the bat. Of course we got the orange coming. It’s, you know, there’s a lot of tags. Yeah. But we see it. And, and nobody else is really glassing. They’re just truck hunting. Yeah. You know, and we glass him up. Oh, he’s good. 700, 800 yards away. Yeah. And it’s pretty windy. So we’re like, well, instead of making marginal shot, let’s get closer. All right. I’ll let you go ahead.

00:46:04:01 –> 00:46:17:08
No. So then we get closer. We’re about five 50 probably. Right? Yeah. And so Jason, Jason finds the deer. I am, I’m struggling. Like I ca I didn’t even see the deer. I couldn’t, you know, I, I was barely functioning. You

00:46:17:08 –> 00:46:23:22
Might as well be on drugs and alcohol for all gen General 10 and purposes. You weren’t, you weren’t thinking straight. So I’m like,

00:46:23:27 –> 00:46:25:29
Where is he, Jason? Where is he? Are

00:46:25:29 –> 00:46:28:28
We hunting deer, elk, deer? So what,

00:46:29:03 –> 00:46:32:04
What about genre? What are we doing, Jason? And do I have the right tags?

00:46:33:06 –> 00:46:36:10
What state are we in? I’m just, so Jason

00:46:36:11 –> 00:46:44:07
Got me on him, you know, got, got a great shot off. I thought Jason was videoing it and the

00:46:44:07 –> 00:46:45:23
Camera says it wasn’t a good shot, John.

00:46:45:27 –> 00:46:54:06
It wasn’t a good shot. It was high. So after looking at it clean miss. Oh, clean miss. Yeah. The first time. Totally missed. Yeah. And then, thanks, thanks

00:46:54:06 –> 00:46:57:02
For making sure that record.

00:46:57:08 –> 00:47:00:02
Really, I, you’re supposed be

00:47:00:02 –> 00:47:00:20
Honest, the first shot was,

00:47:00:20 –> 00:47:02:11
You’re supposed to be honest in all your dealings.

00:47:02:14 –> 00:47:08:20
Okay. You can answer that question Full. Full. You’re good. You’re good. You’ve answered

00:47:08:20 –> 00:47:09:18
It. All right. Keep going.

00:47:09:24 –> 00:47:11:04
Then the second shot was I

00:47:12:01 –> 00:47:14:11
The second shot. You, you, you tipped

00:47:14:24 –> 00:47:15:02

00:47:15:18 –> 00:47:17:20
Crush it looked like and just,

00:47:18:13 –> 00:47:27:11
It just felt like he was done. Of course there was a little ravine, you know, he was in the ravine. We couldn’t see him anymore. We’re high fiving the deer’s done. We go over there. No

00:47:27:11 –> 00:47:28:04
Dear, no dear.

00:47:29:11 –> 00:47:30:08
He’s not. And he’d gotten up

00:47:30:17 –> 00:47:31:23
And was gone. No blood.

00:47:31:28 –> 00:47:38:19
And you know, when you do that, and we looked at the video closer, you know, he’s just fine. He’ll be fine. He’s alive, happy

00:47:38:19 –> 00:47:40:07
Creed him within an inch of the hairline

00:47:40:16 –> 00:47:48:20
Probably. Yeah. Riding along that just right under the hairline shocked him. He got up and, and is happy. Yeah. And so I

00:47:48:20 –> 00:47:50:02
Looked for him for two days after.

00:47:50:03 –> 00:47:52:11
Yeah. Just, yeah. It was a bummer. It’s

00:47:52:11 –> 00:47:55:12
Hard in a five day season to spend two days. Yeah.

00:47:55:27 –> 00:47:59:26
Well and you, you killed and it’s one of the top deer in the unit.

00:48:00:09 –> 00:48:01:20
It be one of the biggest deer killed in. Yeah.

00:48:01:20 –> 00:48:06:02
It was a warm, warm year. And, and anyway, oh,

00:48:06:04 –> 00:48:10:17
I, and I was just sick, sick about it, you know, it just, oh,

00:48:12:03 –> 00:48:33:10
But you know, it’s, it was 18 degrees and windy and cold. Miserably cold. And I think you probably had a slight dose of buck fever. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Kind of excited, kind of excited, tired, excited, the whole thing. And so anyway, it was a great, fun, fun, fun hunt anyway. Yeah. You know, of course you ended up killing a great buck.

00:48:33:10 –> 00:49:22:02
Yeah. Then I killed a buck, you know, nothing compared to what, to the one that I could have had. But it, it ended up being a great hunt. And for me it was also just a break. Yeah. You know, from the office, you know, I stay in the office a lot of the fall and, and cover a lot of the office stuff and the magazine and all that, and, and didn’t draw as many tags this year. So it, it was, man, it was just great to get out, great to, to hike and to, to look at box and learned a new unit, found some good areas. And then, you know, so the last day, last morning, you know, best buck I found, you know, might go one 60, but nice four point, you know. Yeah. And yeah, and filled the freezer and, and had a good time. My wife was there to help me, you know, pack it out. And so it was, it was good times.

00:49:22:13 –> 00:49:43:18
Of course, you know, with having five guys that are very aggressively involved in the hunting experience, we had Chris in Colorado in a different unit. We ought to talk about that at some point. And we ought to talk about Jeffrey a whole different unit. And so there’s a lot of hunting going on. And so anyway, if you guys wanna share your stories at some point, we can do that. I

00:49:43:18 –> 00:49:49:20
Think we, every one of us hunted deer, Colorado, right? Third, third season. Yeah.

00:49:50:08 –> 00:49:54:11
And fourth, third floor. It was warm for Adam. It was just warm. It, it was warm for everything. It

00:49:54:11 –> 00:50:35:05
Was, it was very much like 2016. I didn’t think we could have two back-to-back years as bad as 2016. It was like, we’re due, they carried over to deer and I’ll be, if we didn’t have pretty much a repeat very little snow. If you have a had a, we’re in a unit that had a lot of high country, you know, there’s no reason for Deere to come down. They didn’t need to. It was 60, 65 degrees. Yep. Little bit of storm, two or three days into the fourth on some units and more central northern end of the state, southern end didn’t. And so I, I think they carried over a lot of bucks again in Colorado this year now. So barring a heavy winner or something like that, better be back because, you know,

00:50:35:23 –> 00:50:39:07
For a good year there’s, they did kill some great bucks, but there is a lot of escapement

00:50:39:18 –> 00:50:50:16
Body Yeah. Just seems like spotty here. And there wasn’t consistent, and it wasn’t even in one unit. They didn’t have an incredible hunt in, in one unit. It was pretty scattered throughout all the, you know, units.

00:50:50:21 –> 00:51:33:11
So, well, let’s talk about our license application service a little bit. We do do a lot of licenses for, for guys that, you know, don’t have time or, or just don’t, or just don’t want to deal with applying in the application process. Of course, with our service, you go, guys can call in any and all times we cover the states with ’em individually as it comes time to apply. Or we just, Adam and I choose the units we specifically hand pick units and, and different hunts that pertain to them. And so anyway, it, it’s a full service where we apply you as if you applied yourself. And so we’ve got, I don’t know, Adam, just a super response on that.

00:51:34:15 –> 00:51:54:26
It has been. And I think, you know, that is one thing, even though I think you alluded earlier, been in business for a year, that’s been the, I guess the full service of Epic outdoors with the magazine and everything else. But this is what our fifth or sixth year doing of a license application service, maybe fifth. I think it’s fifth. Yeah. So that’s something we did, you know,

00:51:55:07 –> 00:51:58:07
And consulting and writing magazines, we’ve been doing it for 17

00:51:58:11 –> 00:51:58:26
Plus years.

00:51:59:01 –> 00:51:59:07

00:51:59:07 –> 00:53:21:13
So our license, application service, we realize that that getting tags in the west is a totally different ball game. And our job in, in helping take care of that from a full service license application standpoint, we don’t view that as just an Xs and nos. We’ll get your applications done, trust us. Our really, our job is to get you drawn or try to get you drawn on the hunts that you tell us you’d be happy with. Yeah. Based on the criteria you’ve given us with weapon preferences, any physical limitations, whether you’re gonna do it, self-guided or guided trophy expectations, which varies across the board. Some people have killed a, a few big mule deer, but never a big elk. So maybe they’re fine with a 300, 3 20 inch bull, just get me drawn for that. But on deer, maybe they have, so they want 180, 1 90 plus if, if they draw a mule, deer tag, sheep and goat and mu moose, for most people, they don’t hunt those more than once in their life. So more people than not are happy with a really good representative, you know, moose, sheep, or goat until they kill one. And so our, our job is to tailor your applications to fit what you want. Not not do a cookie cutter approach, throw you in with the masses, wipe our hands and say, we got you, we got you in for the draw and built your points. That’s right. Because our job is to get you on the hunt. You want to go

00:53:21:13 –> 00:53:23:25
On, when we want people to draw, we want them to

00:53:23:25 –> 00:53:28:22
Draw. Well, we wanna draw, we wanna look for every angle ourselves in getting tags. And so we use that same mindset.

00:53:28:22 –> 00:54:05:08
It’s good for business to have people drawing and hunting in the field and submitting stories, photos, going without fitters. It’s good for business. We want guys to draw. Having said that, we don’t want un unhappy customers, but you know, with seasons like we had in Colorado, you’re bound to have hunts that just the weather plays a role and, and maybe aren’t go, don’t go as well as, as you wish they would. I, I had hunts that didn’t go well this year. Everybody too. And that’s part of it. But having said that, it’s not indicat, it’s not a indicative of the unit or, or my effort or anything like that. A lot of it is weather dependent or, or depends on the air.

00:54:05:14 –> 00:55:00:15
Well, there’s so many levels to the license application thing. I mean, and it’s not just, oh, we just do this service for you to, to, you know, get this off your plate. I think, I think part of it’s that, but part of it is, you know, a guy can sit there and be applying in Colorado and he’s got 16 elk points and and he’s been doing it for years. Well, maybe you should have talked to somebody and you could have been building points in several other states this whole time too. So it it’s just that it, it, it’s not just the we do it for you just because maybe you don’t have time. It’s also the advantage of having Jason Carter or Adam Bronson going through your specific strategy and applying you for hunt. Say the guy has 16 points and he, he’s fine with killing a three 20 bull talk to, I talk to guys every day. Well, I got 14 points in all these states and you know, I’ve never killed a three 20. And I’m like, you should

00:55:00:21 –> 00:55:00:28

00:55:00:28 –> 00:55:13:28
Drawn. Why do you still have 14 points? Yeah, yeah. You, you could go hunting three times Yeah. In that four, you know what I mean? Oh yeah. And, and just, it’s just easy for a guy to, instead of just doing the same thing every, just let us help you. Just talking

00:55:14:12 –> 00:55:58:23
Them through it from a i I guess adding some confidence to them as they’re talking about their points and their situation. Obviously you have to have a time in 2018 to go do it. We all know we have family vacations, weddings, maybe a, a big hunt that we plan or book around, or a family that’s gonna draw something big that we wanna be there on that we have to first block out on a calendar. But once that’s done and you have time to hunt, then yeah, just going through the motions and building points, we all know it’s, it’s expensive, you know, it’s, you know, 50 to $200 to apply for some of these states non-refundable. And that adds up. You know, you can spend a thousand or $1,500 non-refundable pretty easily in the Western states every year. Just, just applying, just getting it

00:55:58:23 –> 00:56:22:18
Done. Well, let’s, and I think, you know, all that planning and preparation, you know, of, of building 15 years worth of points or 10 years of points, you know, is, is awesome because you never know when you’re gonna actually want to go. Adam and I, and you’re obviously Jeff and John and Chris, everybody’s plans changed year to year. Adam and I, we look at what happened this year and we’re like, I don’t, I’m gonna avoid this and this and this, i i this, you know, and then we’re, we

00:56:22:18 –> 00:56:26:28
Learn something every year. Yeah. We learn stuff. You want, you want to, I want that again or no, I’m gonna

00:56:26:28 –> 00:56:33:22
Tweak it or no, I’m gonna change it and I’m gonna tweak it. And and same thing with now, now that you’re Arizona and you used your Arizona elk points, you’re on something different.

00:56:33:22 –> 00:56:37:01
I’ve got a different mindset. You got different mindset. I may try a late rifle for some reason,

00:56:37:09 –> 00:56:48:06
And I, and I’ve got a different mindset. Maybe I am tired of relying on bad weather in Colorado. Oh, I tell you, you know what, maybe I’m tired of waiting for that storm. I’m thinking Ria muzzle, and Adam and I talked about that.

00:56:48:12 –> 00:56:57:18
Maybe, maybe I’m gonna go extensively, make it happen more by scouting and all that prior to the hunt and hunt a deer we find versus let’s hope they come outta the high country and they’re looking for us.

00:56:57:21 –> 00:57:26:16
Tr trophy hunting in my po in, in my opinion, is in large part due to controlling as many variables as you can. Yeah. I, I’m gonna, I’m gonna go hunt where there’s less hunters. I’m gonna go hunt where the deer are old and then I’m gonna go hunt where I can scout because I can control my scouting. I can’t control the weather. Having said that, Adam and I probably end up doing an archery, a muzzled or hunt, and we’ll have four feet of snow on a third rifle season and every, and you’d, everybody, you’d be dumb if you didn’t kill a 200 troops are just falling off.

00:57:26:24 –> 00:57:28:26
We’ve been on those hunts. So we know it can happen.

00:57:29:14 –> 00:58:30:29
And that’s why we keep fooling with it, you know, and Colorado is a little ways away from us. And so we spend our time scouting in Utah, in Nevada or something else that’s closer to us. And so anyway, that’s always going through our minds and that’s what goes through our clients’ minds. And, and they’re, their obviously plans change, like ours do. And so they get to visit with us and we get to adjust that strategy. And like Adam says, it’s not just cookie cutter. They get to adjust that strategy every year with us. And so anyway, with that, we are giving away a Red Rock epic series rifle, giving it away an 80, what? $500 value? It’ll be December 31st. If you, anybody that’s a current 2018, that renews license application member will get a name in the hat if you refer anybody, including your family or friends. There’s a lot of guys pay for their daughters, sons, whatever. And we do give a discount for, for children. But anyway, you’ll get an extra name in the hat for that if you refer somebody that isn’t current license application member license. Yeah. So,

00:58:31:05 –> 00:59:16:11
Or if you’re just somebody that’s listening to this podcast or gets one of our mailings and you’ve been considering having somebody do your applications, or if you’re having somebody else do them and you feel, you know, for whatever reason you’re not satisfied with that service or, or whatever, or wanna make the switch, like I said, what we’ve talked about in terms of our approach to helping you get the most outta your application strategy, we feel is the biggest reason you shouldn’t consider us. But as another incentive, make the switch. Do it by December 31st, you’ll be entered into the drawing for a, a free red rock precision long range custom rifle, which, you know, we all used, they’re awesome. And you know, so got about a month to get that in and we’ll draw that the first week in January.

00:59:16:25 –> 00:59:30:11
Even if you’ve done your own applications in the past and you want to change it up, those points do stay with your social security number or your hunter ID number. And so it, it makes no difference who files those applications. So we’re happy to do that for you. Yeah. Well,

00:59:30:11 –> 00:59:38:14
And every year we talk to guys who miss a deadline and miss out on a year’s, year’s worth of points. And and yeah. They call us. And

00:59:39:04 –> 00:59:53:20
That’s worth pointing out because in all reality, some states, take Arizona for instance, I don’t know what my elk tag would’ve cost. ’cause you can’t buy landowner, outfitter tags in Arizona of any kind, you know, with exception of statewide governor tags, let’s

00:59:53:20 –> 00:59:55:06
Call it 15 to 20 grand value. Yeah,

00:59:55:17 –> 01:00:45:26
Probably. You know, really, it really is. And you look at, you know, what points are worth in in other states for mule, deer and elk. Yeah. You’re, you’re very easily four or 5,000 for fairly minimal tags. Yeah. You know, it take five years to draw for equivalent landlord tag in Colorado. So you do want to get the most outta something when you draw it. And, and as we talked about a minute ago, you can’t always predict the weather and things like that. But missing out on a year or two of points is, can be worth thousands of dollars. Yeah. Especially if you fall out of a top tier maximum point type level. If you have that, it can be devastating. If you missed a year in Arizona for deer in earth, max point, I might not get a, it’s 50,000 dear term, you may not get outta bed for two weeks because you not only lose one point, but use, you lose your loyalty point for another five years.

01:00:45:29 –> 01:01:31:20
There’s just things like that that, that the stakes are high. Don’t wanna beat that too much, but, but if you find yourself too stressed, not picking the right units, or just find yourself picking points only every year, because that’s the easy way to just keep up the pace and you want some expertise to help you pick your units. We’re here to do that for anybody that, that that renews or joins our license application service and adds at least three states might add that, then you’ll be in for that Red Rock Precision rifle. So, you know, maybe you, maybe you got your own home state or a couple states nailed down your steal yourself, but maybe there’s a few states or a handful that you want some help on. We’re glad to do it. We’re glad to do 3, 4, 5, 1, 2, you know, all your applications. You know, it’s, you know, we’re, we can do it little

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Bit about the Red, red Rock rifle. It’s, it’s one of the best custom long range, you know, of course I say long range, it, you know, even if you’re not into long range, they’re an amazing rifle. There’s, they’re, they’re as lightweight as you want. They’ve got several, several different models. I’ve got one that comes in at like seven pounds, mid seven with the scope mounted everything, and it’s nothing to shoot 700 yards plus. And so everything I point at it dies point, you know, it’s just crazy. So anyway, it’s a, it’s awesome. It’s in the Ridge Reaper UA barren camo, and it’s just a good looking rifle. It’s state of the art dialed with the guys up there at Red Rock, who are good friends of ours and, and know what they’re doing. And so we’re extremely excited to give this away. Of course, the epic series is gonna be a fif a 50 rifle series that we’re coming out with. You can buy those rifles or reserve ’em sp you know, choose your serial number. It’ll be a numbered edition. And, and mine was the first, I think it’s zero zero or zero 50. But anyway, love the rifle. Used it extensively this year and, and can’t say enough about those guys and, and the rifles they’re making. We

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Also went up to the range this summer, all of us, and we got to shoot that rifle as they built the first one. And we have a YouTube video on it. You can go check that out if you want to, but yeah. Awesome. Rifles.

01:02:59:01 –> 01:03:16:26
Well, let’s wrap it up here. I mean, I can tell a hunting story or two, maybe Reed’s two 15 at some point, but, and maybe that’s for another p podcast. But the January magazine, we’re working on it right now, it’ll cover Arizona, elk and antelope as well as all species of Wyoming except for deer. An antelope, you know, as those may

01:03:17:01 –> 01:03:17:23
Deadline for those. Yeah.

01:03:17:29 –> 01:04:03:02
A later deadline. And there’s gonna be, you know, maybe some effects from the winter and whatnot. And so there’s various reasons for that, that they have a separate deadline. And we will also cover the wolves, some wolf hunting as well as conservation tags and a few other opportunities where guys can bypass the draw and obtain a conservation tag of some sort. So pretty awesome. We’re gonna have a few other items there in the January magazine as well as Jeff will be covering booking hunts and, and some of the different hunts with guaranteed tags that are available. Yes. And, and we do that, we work with the best outfitters here in the west, continually, you know, adding, adding guys that are good, that are proven and, and that represent epic well. And so tell us a little bit about that, Jeff.

01:04:03:09 –> 01:04:28:25
Well, and we’re seeing it now, a lot of the, a lot of our hunters, a lot of our members who have been on hunts with these outfitters are getting home. They’ve had incredible, incredible hunts. You know, talking to a guy, I actually just got a text back from him today. He said, let’s see, I think we sent three guys with him. I think they’ve killed a 3 35, a 3 45 and a 3 55 bull Wow. With this outfitter. And let

01:04:28:25 –> 01:04:29:28
Me, what did that hunt cost

01:04:30:06 –> 01:04:39:17
Under 12? That hunt was under 12,000 so far with tag. Yeah. Not a drop tag with tag in hand. So, so that, so that is a guaranteed hunt. I mean, you could go back and do it every year.

01:04:39:22 –> 01:04:41:18
Not guaranteed kill, but a guaranteed tag

01:04:41:22 –> 01:05:30:20
Gu Yeah. Guaranteed tag gu Yeah. Guaranteed tag. So we, we have a lot of opportunities like that. The other thing that, you know, we really need to get, you know, at the forefront of our minds is, is coming up this next year on these guaranteed tags, you can buy landowner tags, pair ’em up with a great outfitter and kill some amazing animals, whether you’re gonna be, and sometimes those are unit wide tags. Sometimes they’re private land only tags. But for the most part, we’re gonna be hunting, you know, unit wide tags. Say you want to go on an elk hunt, let’s find you a, a landowner tag, landowner voucher in New Mexico. Say, we’ll pair you up with an outfitter, get you on a hunt. Most of those outfitters have tags for you too, and let’s go hunting some good animals. So to do the same thing in Colorado.

01:05:30:27 –> 01:06:38:22
Yeah, yeah. So to to, to kind of take it from there for just a second, AV and I, and Jeff as well as of course John and, and Chris have discussed this landowner tag situation at length. And it is a viable way to get a tag. It, it’s as getting tags is, is key. If you don’t have tags, you’re not gonna kill anything. So, so getting tags is key and part of that process is supplementing your draws with some landowner tags and guys are willing to buy a landowner tag. Landowner tags are not necessarily good just for the private, generally speaking, people are buying tags to be able to hunt the public ground as well, just to be able to hunt the same as if you drew the tag. There you go. And that’s what we concentrate on. So starting this month, we are gonna accept $500 deposits. If you want a particular landowner tag, we’re gonna accept $500 deposits. It’s basically an escrow account. We’re holding it, it’s gonna go toward the purchase of a landowner tag. That money is your money. If you ever want it back, we will give it back to you. No problem. But what it does is, and we, and we went through this this last year, is guys say they’re interested in tags. We find tags, they weren’t, they buy tags, they weren’t that interested.

01:06:38:27 –> 01:06:39:24
We buy tags. Yeah,

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We buy tags and we’re, we’re holding the bag, so to speak. And, and then we have the tag and, and it’s, and it’s on us to be able to sell it because the guy doesn’t really want it. That $500 basically tells us who’s serious. If you’re not willing to put up 500 bucks, you’re not that serious about getting attacked. There you go. That’s true. And, and we’ll work hard. So we’re gonna work hard starting right now at buying some New Mexico tax,

01:07:01:11 –> 01:07:16:14
Being New Mexico or Nevada. I mean, we’re not, just to clarify, Colorado changed their regulations a few years ago. We’re not facilitating a broker or anything over there. No. So we’re not talking about deer tags in Colorado, which is a very, very big demand, as we all know. This is talking about New Mexico

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01:07:17:17 –> 01:08:15:23
You know, maybe some Nevada tags, which are, are a lot tougher to get. But just to clarify, that’s it. And, and just to add on what, what Jeff and Jason are saying, you know, we’ve talked a lot about now being kind of the time of year to get your game plan ready for 2018. And whether it be a guided hunt or a landowner tag, that’s a great way to ensure in December or January here, you know, six, 10 months in advance, you’re gonna have something to go hunt this year. Now obviously they cost, they cost money. It’s not, not like drawing a tag and getting a quote freebie, if you will, out of through the draw system. But that’s totally unpredictable and whether that’s gonna happen unless you know, you’ve got the points built up. So if you have the means or, or have the time or both in your schedule this fall and you know you want hunt an elk or a deer or an antelope or something that we can secure a, a unit wide landowner tag and let you go do it, or you know, you’re gonna go guide it and you want to get something on the books, now’s the time to do it.

01:08:15:23 –> 01:08:47:19
So then you can plan around it with all of your application strategy. I know I booked a Utah elk hunt on a private land hunt September 15th to the 22nd. And I’m going, I can, I can stay away from that with all my other application plans. And if I draw something great, then I have a couple good hunts. But if I’m left in June with nothing, your options then are a lot more limited. They’re not, they’re not non-existent. I don’t want to say that. Hey, you better get your deposit in now or you won’t be able to get landowner tag, but your options get a lot more limited in June or July after time is all the draws are out.

01:08:47:23 –> 01:09:33:05
It is. It is. It is. And so it’s one of those things, if you know what you want now, tell us what you want. If you want to go on a sheep hunt or something with a, with an outfitter call Jeff, call us here at the office. Of course Adam and I work with Jeff on a re daily, daily basis and, and we can help you as well. But, but Jeff is primarily responsible for working with our outfitters, Adam and I can help you with landowner tags as well as all the draw and application processes and, and kind of your long-term short-term strategies there. Having said that, I want to just revisit the license application real quick. The most you can spend with us is $500. We will do all states for $500, or it’s $50 a state for two species or less a hundred dollars per state if it’s three species or more. And then 500 cow

01:09:33:09 –> 01:10:15:20
Can’t spend more. I mean, and they’re, I can tell you from experience, we get people that switch to our service all the time as recently as yesterday, that spend over $2,000 for other services to do the same thing that we’re gonna do. Which is crazy. That’s, that’s, that’s a lot of wasted money in our opinion. And like I said, we rest on the merits of, of our research and our expertise and us helping you draw what you want. And we really wanna emphasize that of being the main purpose that we, we would recommend you trying our applications. You’re well, youre in control, but every but saving a thousand or 1500 bucks is another, you know, put that towards a guided hunt or a landlord tag or it’s three years you’ve put it in the bank.

01:10:15:23 –> 01:11:02:26
Yeah, yeah. And so I think that’s key is we’re not, we’re not out there to convince you to switch. If you already have somebody doing your, if you’re happy, stay there. No problem. We’re just putting it out there that we do a great job for our clients. It’s our goal to be the best we feel like we are and we’re gonna continue down that path. That’s our goal. And anyway, first and foremost is, is hunting, the hunting experience and whatnot. And then rolling that into the epic business and, and helping our members succeed in the field. So anyway, I guess that’s about it. Is there anything else you guys wanna bring up or anything you wanna talk about? Got the Jeffrey, Christopher, John. I think we saved some of the other stories for

01:11:02:26 –> 01:11:03:02

01:11:03:02 –> 01:11:05:01
Podcast. Oh, there’s a lot of good stories there.

01:11:05:01 –> 01:11:06:02
There’s some good ones. Yeah.

01:11:06:11 –> 01:11:10:18
Some classics. But everybody’s healthy. Your families are good,

01:11:10:29 –> 01:11:22:17
Fat and sassy after Thanksgiving. Little little emphasis on the fat, but we’re, we’re already, we’ve all, I’ve already heard the, the plans of a few of us, myself included. And I’m

01:11:22:17 –> 01:11:23:01
Working out every day

01:11:23:05 –> 01:11:25:14
To not, to not slip back into the winter.

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01:11:27:06 –> 01:11:29:08
Softness, we’ll just call it that. Jason, did you

01:11:29:10 –> 01:12:04:05
Say you’re gonna start supplementing and working out, I mean, Jim Rat, is that what we’re hearing? There are certain people on Instagram, there’s okay. No, that I want to address that right now. There are certain accounts that I do follow for inspiration. Having said, having said that, you will not see a Jim selfie from this guy Jeffrey, though. We’re excited to see some from you and just amen. Keep them from the next, and Chris is single. It’s a natural he needs to be doing on. That’s right. Jim. Selfies country, single. It’s

01:12:04:12 –> 01:12:06:10
Advertising. Chris, you got Advertis.

01:12:07:05 –> 01:12:18:24
There is no, there is no bad advertising. Chris. Bad is good. Good is good. All is good. If you wanna see a gym suffer from me, you better show up at the gym. Take it yourself. Take

01:12:18:24 –> 01:12:20:11
It yourself. You’re a pirate. Your own picture of Chris.

01:12:20:11 –> 01:12:33:25
So by the way, doesn’t it, like if you take the picture, isn’t it legally your picture? Yeah. Even though you are in it. Yes. But if you’re gonna publish it, you probably need my permission. Oh, I’d have to sign a release. Sign a release. Yes. Oh,

01:12:34:09 –> 01:12:51:08
Well that would re that would require the, we’ll just say the, the female taking a picture of you asking you for your number so she could text you for permission. Oh boy. So I see where you’re going with this. I see where you’re going with this. So you need Chris’s permission. You need his phone number. All right guys.

01:12:51:17 –> 01:12:51:24

01:12:51:24 –> 01:13:02:00
Rest of us. Yeah. You’ll not even see as much as a beat of sweat on my head as a gym selfie. That’s, you won’t even see that. Let alone a muscle in action or working out or squat by the way that

01:13:02:00 –> 01:13:02:04

01:13:02:25 –> 01:13:03:08
None of that.

01:13:03:13 –> 01:13:15:22
By the way, this office today and this podcast is, is powered and energized by Rockstar because they were on sale this morning. Yeah. Jeff, what’s not about,

01:13:16:15 –> 01:13:17:29
We broke the mold. It’s kind of like

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I refuse from white monsters. And so, so we, we sent him to the store, get some white monsters. They’re full

01:13:25:13 –> 01:13:25:29
Price. He

01:13:25:29 –> 01:13:31:19
Comes back paying, he comes back with white rock stars. I’m who in this room has ever had a white rockstar before? I’m not. I have,

01:13:31:19 –> 01:13:32:24
But somebody gave it to me for

01:13:32:24 –> 01:13:33:00

01:13:35:03 –> 01:13:39:28
Oh. Anyway, they were, instead of 2 69, they were three for 5 55 or something.

01:13:40:18 –> 01:13:49:05
Whatever. That’s right. Speaking of which, I rewarded them for the, we told him we’d reimburse him know for the white monsters. I know there is nothing in writing about white rock stars. That’s right.

01:13:49:05 –> 01:13:49:24
Thanks. Thanks

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For we’re outta your own pocket. Thanks for

01:13:51:10 –> 01:13:52:18
The drink today, Jeff. Thanks.

01:13:52:26 –> 01:14:00:16
Tell Angie thanks. You’re welcome. There you go. I’ll, she’s powering the office today all. Okay, well with that, look

01:14:00:16 –> 01:14:11:14
Forward to you. Yeah, look forward to a lot more of these now that we’re back on a regular basis. Appreciate the support we’ve had from all of you on the podcast. We’ve been almost a year doing those too. Yeah. Nearly.

01:14:11:19 –> 01:14:59:10
Yeah. Come January, February is when I think we started publishing. Chris would know better, but we started cranking in January. It was just an idea and, and for guys to kind of get to know us a little bit better. And, and it’s been good for us too. We’ve had some incredible guests. We want to, we want to say thank you to everybody that’s been on. And of course we’re gonna have some phenomenal guests lined up with that. I do wanna throw another plug in there if you want to hear from somebody, let us know. And you might even preface it with them. Say, Hey, maybe you do an epic podcast. I’d love to hear from you and, and have ’em hit us up. We’d, we’d be happy. And a lot of, a lot of these guests have, have hit us up and, and that’s how we’ve got hooked up. And so anyway, we’ll be doing these. We’ll be cranking out a lot of ’em. And again, strictly western big game hunting or something to do with it. And so maybe

01:14:59:10 –> 01:15:02:04
That’s maybe a little entertainment here and there. Sprinkled in. Oh yeah. And

01:15:02:04 –> 01:15:06:28
If you like what we’re doing, go on iTunes, leave us a review, you know, subscribe, follow.

01:15:07:16 –> 01:15:08:01
Speaking of that,

01:15:09:02 –> 01:15:48:04
Let’s give some something away today. Let’s do, how about we do a pair of fat tires? No, let’s do it. Yeah. All right, let’s do, so let’s give a pair of Fat Tires away. It’s Under Armour. We do wanna thank Under Armour for sponsoring these podcasts. They’re a phenomenal partner of Epic Outdoors and we appreciate them. You know, they’re, they’re in the magazine. They sponsor the YouTube, they sponsor the podcast. They sponsor a lot of my hunting. ’cause I’ve dealt with them a lot in the past on various projects as well as many of us here in the room and in various fashions. And so anyway, we want to thank them for the sport they give us and the fact that they believe in what we’re doing and, and know that we’re doing the best we can. Yeah. And

01:15:48:04 –> 01:15:51:26
Some of their new clothes that we got to use this year were just phenomenal. The wool

01:15:52:11 –> 01:15:52:18

01:15:52:18 –> 01:15:55:18
Awesome. Wool pants, man. I just loved every minute of ’em.

01:15:55:20 –> 01:15:56:26
I don’t think Adam has a pair of wool.

01:15:56:28 –> 01:16:33:00
No, I think, Adam, thanks for bringing that up. That’s what happens when you’re in the throws of probably a three or four week stretch out guiding sheep, hunters nonstop. And all of a sudden the gear comes in and some people, which will remain nameless, John, Jeff, very Jason said it, get very eager to ship it out to a lot of our partners, Outfitters people with some great tags and all that before he checks in-house. And before you know it, I’m in a fairly, I guess, common sized guy, you know, pants wise, skinny and

01:16:33:00 –> 01:16:33:19
Tall. Mine

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Are, they’re outta stock. And so I’ve watched a lot of clients bring them on Hunts with me as well as my guides, wear them with me and

01:16:43:04 –> 01:16:43:24
They love them

01:16:44:02 –> 01:16:48:26
And rant and rave. And I just look at ’em and say, huh, I like to know what that, oh,

01:16:48:26 –> 01:16:49:13
Where did you get those?

01:16:49:15 –> 01:17:13:26
Yeah, where’d you get ’em? And they said, Jeff, your office. And I said, okay, well, so anyway, I’m waiting. I guess I can try hunting coyotes in ’em or something when, if and when they come in. So anyway, but appreciate the response and support from Under Armour helping us outfit some of the people with some great tags. Well, some of our outfitters, I’m only making light of it just because I didn’t speak up soon enough. That’s really, I guess what it’s about.

01:17:14:17 –> 01:17:20:01
You’re letting Jeff off easy. Yeah, but having said that, let’s do it. Let’s give away a pair of Fat Tires. What episode number is this?

01:17:20:10 –> 01:17:22:04
Oh, I think this is gonna be 48.

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Okay, let’s, let’s, you’d go into epic, go to the podcast page. There is a giveaway spot where you would put in the code. Let’s go with Fat Tire, f a t t i r e four eight and you

01:17:34:23 –> 01:17:35:00

01:17:35:00 –> 01:17:35:20
Tire four eight.

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And you’ll receive a,

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We’ll, a random drawing of the guys that registered

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A United Kingdom Size 48 Boot,

01:17:43:09 –> 01:17:46:20
Broon. I don’t know, Aren, they have, they have weird sizing, something like that.

01:17:47:12 –> 01:17:48:14
Whatever size that is. 11

01:17:48:14 –> 01:17:50:17
Have to make it work. Nine, 10, whatever. Size.

01:17:51:09 –> 01:17:51:18

01:17:51:18 –> 01:17:54:01
Exactly. So once again, what’s the code that they didn’t?

01:17:54:08 –> 01:18:23:06
Fat Tire. F A T T I R E, double TTT Square Fat Tire. Four eight, go in there, register. And we are gonna give you away, give away a pair of fat tires. I believe they’re 199 bucks. I’m going from memory, full retail value. And they’re gonna be shipped to you free of charge on Epic as well as Under Armour. So anyway, appreciate everybody that’s listening, let’s give that away. And then is there a way we, people give away stuff for reviews. Can we give away something for review too?

01:18:24:10 –> 01:18:25:02
We can do anything

01:18:25:08 –> 01:18:26:08
You want. Yeah. All right, let’s do it.

01:18:26:11 –> 01:18:38:06
One of my favorite products that they just came out with that I tried this year was the wool base layer. It’s reversible, it’s gray on one side, barren camo on the other. I loved it. I wore it. Let’s do it. I wore the All right. Heck outta.

01:18:38:06 –> 01:18:41:17
Let’s do that. So if you leave a, you do it, Chris, tee it up.

01:18:41:23 –> 01:18:51:22
All right. So we’re gonna give away the new Under Armour base layer. It’s made outta wool. Top and bottom. Top and bottom. I wore it this year and absolutely loved it.

01:18:52:02 –> 01:18:55:16
It’s not like the, the squishy, whatever they

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Call it. It’s not compression. It’s not

01:18:57:02 –> 01:19:01:24
Compression. It’s fitted, but not compression. And I mean, I wore it, dude. I loved

01:19:01:24 –> 01:19:17:01
It this year. Okay, yeah. So let’s go top and bottom. You leave a five star review on Epic Outdoors podcast. We’re gonna go through there and give a random, give it away randomly, right? Yes. Yep. Sound good. So

01:19:17:02 –> 01:19:20:05
The awesome thing about that too is it’s reversible. So you, if

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You’re not in a hunting season,

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You can flip that over and got a gray shirt. It’s great. It’s go out to dinner. It is awesome.

01:19:26:12 –> 01:19:56:13
Leave a review by December 5th, let’s give ’em a December 5th, leave a review by December 5th. We’ll go on there. We’ll give that away. And so you get a base layer, and then we’ll give away pair of fat tire boots also. So anyway, go to epic to the podcast section. Enter fat tire, 48 f a t t i r e 48 to get a pair of fat tire boots possibly. And then of course, leave a review and you’re in another drawing as well. So anyway, kind of an expensive podcast for us really, guys, you came up with this idea,

01:19:57:11 –> 01:19:57:19

01:19:57:20 –> 01:20:10:19
We’re losing money as we speak. So, all right, let’s go back to work and appreciate everybody listening. We’re gonna have a bunch more podcasts coming out. It’ll be pretty interesting. So with that, I’ll talk to you later. All.