EP 121: Applying for Wyoming, Idaho, Iowa, Washington. May Magazine Overview. In this episode of the Epic Outdoors Podcast Jason and Adam discuss the May issue of the magazine which covered Wyoming, Idaho, Iowa, and Washington applications for species that are coming due in the near future. If you have any interest in hunting these states at some point this episode will give a lot of insight into each of them and our current thoughts

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It is not good management to just give unlimited over-the-counter tags

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On the barometer of trophy dear states and your expectations, it should be lower than those other states. But having said that, go more often.

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Anything to do with Western Big Game?

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To the Epic Outdoors Podcast, powered by Under Armour.

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Hey everybody. Jason Carter and Adam Bronson here. Southern Utah, rainy southern Utah. Feels like it’s raining. Good spring and Summer’s never gonna come. Anyway, we, Chris is making this podcast today and

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We’ve been locked in a dungeon for about the last two weeks straight, pretty

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Much since

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December. Printing out two magazines in the last 10 days, 14 days. But it feels good. The Day of Liberation is here,

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Which is today.

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Got ’em done at the printer with the second one. But what are we gonna talk about today? Talk about

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Armor. Let’s think for a sec. Anyway, we appreciate Under Armour for all that they do for us and sponsoring this podcast and about everything we do with them. So they, they’re an awesome partner of ours. We appreciate ’em. They believe in us. They believed in us from the beginning. Much like many of our sponsors that have in the publication. Speaking about the publication, this is coming up on one of the last monthlies. We do monthly December through June. Like Adam said, the June issues headed to the printer. And, and then after that, we’re bi-monthly. ’cause we’re in the field. We’re gonna be scouting heavy. Adam and I are gonna be putting out truck cameras heavy. He’s got a lot of lot on the docket and a lot on our agenda to get things going. But,

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But that’s what we’re here for.

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So we

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Plan, plan, plan, apply, apply, apply, and then hopefully got tags to do something about. That’s

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Right. That’s right. We’re apply, apply, apply. Adam, I think I heard you ordering another rifle today.

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Well, yeah, it’s just about done actually. If it’s that time of year, you think you want to upgrade and get a custom rifle, give the guys at Red Rock Precision a call. I’ve got my another, I’ve got a gun. My brother and I both have them. And I’m actually having the sheep rifle built because end up having a lot of clients every year that we end up using our guns on, which is totally fine. Love doing that. But a lot of times they end up wanting to have a little bit lighter setup there where shooting, you know, 800 to a thousand yards isn’t as important because we don’t, we rarely do that on a sheet punt, if ever. And, and unless a Ram’s got a bullet in it or something like that, and you’re gonna, you know, try to put it down. But go to Red Rock precision.com, great outfit. We’ve known ’em for years. They’ve been with us since the inception here at Epic Outdoors. They’ve got a variety of options from carbon light, ultralight sheep rifles to regular mountain rifles, different scope setups, all the different calibers. And they take you to the course, shoot your gun there on site. So great setup. Red Rock precision.com if you’re looking for a new long range or Western hunting big game rifle.

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This particular podcast, we’re gonna talk about the may issue of the Epic Outdoors Western Hunting magazine. Of course guys have had it online for many days now. And that comes out online about 10 days before you get it in the mail. Once you get it in the mail, of course it’s kind of nice to be able to turn the pages and try to figure out your schedules. And so anyway, the May issue did cover Wyoming deer and Antelope. They have a different application deadline for deer and antelope. And so even though you could have applied several months ago, some

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People do. It’s interesting how many people apply back in January. People

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Are asking us, Hey, what about this unit? And we’re like, why

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Did you apply this before?

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We’re waiting, we’re waiting for the winter kill to figure out what’s going on up there. So,

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But overall, not, not too much except for extreme southwestern Wyoming from let’s say Kemmer to Evanston South in that corner. That’s where it seems to be the most severe in terms of winter snow, most of the region G and H stuff, realizing a lot of those deer drift that far south. But most of the stuff from the bars to Big Pine North have had a normal winter. Yeah, it’s cold. Yeah, it’s been snowy. But those deer are, they’re born and bred for that. Nothing outta the ordinary. We don’t expect too much. So green light, I don’t, I don’t think there’s many places. I think even some of the region K deer might probably suffer more than the region. Region G. Just, just because that’s right where you’re talking

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That’s right. Right in there. Yep. Northern Utah. Northern Utah got hit. Idaho Falls and some of that country in Idaho. And then of course part little parts of Wyoming there on the southern border. So anyway, we’re, we’re pretty excited. We do cover Idaho, deer, elk, antelope, Iowa, Washington, sheep, goat, moose. We’re gonna be talking about that in this podcast. Try to not make it super boring, man. We hate these podcasts, but they are informative and we just got done right in ’em. So we’re right in the middle of kind of having it on the top of our minds. We’re, we’re applying ourselves applying lots and lots of hunters. And so anyway, it’s just that time of year,

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I think what you mean, maybe if I can put words in your mouth. Wow. About

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Just a one-liner. Come

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On. No, no. You just said we hate these podcasts. We, we love them. But what, when we have a podcast like this where we’re actually, they’re grinders to the magazine, they’re grinders. We’ve actually, yeah, been grinding and literally been looking at nothing but this for the last, you know, two weeks as we were, you know, massaging, plugging, and playing on this. You’re

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Over there research

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To get to go to,

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You’re over there research and you find something exciting about antelope and I have to, that’s you. I have to fully engage, stop what I’m doing with sheep, fully engage on some obscure antelope in the middle of Wyoming or some other crazy place and vice versa. This, I’m in the middle of some COOs deer something or other in Arizona. And I get at ’em to fully engage on something I’m super excited about. That’s a hundred percent dropped for the last 14 years and offers a chance at killing a monster. So anyway, we are excited about some of these things where we get researching them and pretty soon we’re plugging and playing. And anyway, we do wanna thank Tim Ulbrich. You’ll find him on the cover of this May magazine. It’s a freaking monster coming from no less Wyoming. And we say it, you know, Wyoming’s not one of the premier milder states. However, with the genetics and just flat sheer numbers of deer and, and escapement, high elevation, some of that nasty wilderness country, you’re gonna get some of these bucks that make it through. This buck was in our booth at the expo up there in Salt Lake this year.

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That’s right. And, and when you, when you say Wyoming is not known for as many giant mule deer, it’s not that it’s not capable, it’s as capable as any western state. It just feels that Wyoming, the way they manage their deer is mainly for an opportunity standpoint. And a lot of the limited quota deer units that they actually have, have had to have been carved outta their general season units because they get crushed and over hunted when they’re general season. And so they have to pull ’em out and have ’em just be a limited quota hunt. It’s not that it’s not capable and some awesome deer can come from there, but ironically they come from, the highest percentage come from regions G and h for instance, in the general season areas where residents can buy tags over the counter, Walmart and non-residents. I’m not gonna say they’re easy to draw, but, but they’re not that difficult comparatively to what you might label as a better, better trophy unit in some other state. So yeah,

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Six years, yeah, it does. It is getting a little bit crazy. We’re talking about G, G and H, but G especially, it’s just, you know, it’s

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No wilderness. Six points,

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Five to six points depending on the special, regular. As we jump into that. The special and regular license fee, it does put you in a separate drawing. 40 40% of the tags are allocated in the S fee. Guys that are willing to pay $677 and then the regular would have the remaining 60% balance at $389. Same thing, same principle with antelope.

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So study the tables. You know, you sometimes it’s very clear that it’s, it’s repeatedly better to pay the special price license. What normally we see on that is where the tag quotas are high enough. Generally the special will always be a little bit easier to draw. But when you get low tag quotas, it’s very volatile on let’s say five or 10 people switching every year back and forth with max points. It can totally sway the odds. So there’s no absolutes to that. But on general season tags, you almost will always see this. This special will be a little bit better odds. It does because the quotas are higher, they can absorb any crossover year to year, limited entry, you get 50 tags or something. It’s just a crap shoot. Flip a coin. And if it’s up to, if you guess right, you might have better odds. If not, it won’t. One also thing to keep in mind, and this comes into play on some of the deer as it did on elk earlier on, some units don’t have high enough tag quotas to give tags in random, in the random draw, you know, unit one 30 comes to mind. Well

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A lot of these states will issue random draw tags before the preference tags, let’s call ’em. And this is not one of those cases. Yeah, they’ll go into preference first.

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That’s right. And so there’s not very many deer one 30, you know, maybe 1 0 1, but when it says no tag, maybe 1 0 5 occasionally as well. ’cause they’re gonna propose cut tags there this year. And one, you know, maybe one 19 if you see no tag, it means that they do the preference point draw first. They give some tags in the special and regular in the preference point draw. And there’s no tags for the random, like Jason said, Arizona, other states, Utah, where the first tag issued is a random draw tag. That’s not the case there. Yeah, that’s right. So be aware of that apply. Don’t just swing for the fence. Think you got a chance. ’cause you might just loan be loaning them four to $700 for no reason with no chance to draw. So

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Yeah, we definitely apply in Wyoming. Deer and antelope both. You just never know what’s gonna come available. You know, there’s things that I’m looking at that, you know, take a lot less points than the points that I have, but it also allows me to jump in with my kids and point average and they go to the decimal point and they issue tags based on the highest number of points. Point two, 0.3 would take precedent preference over two point guys with 2.1 points, for example. So anyway, you just never know who’s gonna be jumping in your group, get, get all the points you can. It gives you opportunities down the road. Yeah. And Wyoming, dear Elk and antelope especially, we are huge advocates of gaining points. However, we’re kind of hard on the state. We feel like they’re underachieving as far as quality. Not that we’re just talking about trophy, we’re talking about having a good number of mature bucks within a population antelope, they seem to be doing good.

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So I guess, you know, I kind of there for a minute just lump ’em together. But I’m, we’re really passionate about mule deer and we, and we have a problem when a state knows knowingly knows that it’s not good management to just give unlimited over-the-counter tags. It’s not good management. I did have a resident light me up and we had a good, healthy discussion and it was a good discussion and basically, you know, he was somewhat offended saying, well if it’s not so good, why does it take you non-resident six points to come up here and hunt our state in region G, for example? And I said, well, yeah, because there are a few bucks that escape and there, and people do like the high country. And it is one of those experiences and it is a chance, there is a chance because of the terrain that there might be an older buck or two. But is it properly managed? And what would be your answer?

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Yeah, it’s, they don’t even know how many hunt, how many people hunt those areas. So if you don’t know how many people are, are hunting it, how can you know whether that’s too many or not enough or whatever. And

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Let’s say we have a monumental die off, okay, 2016, 17, whatever, and you continue the next year giving over the counter tags. Is that proper management?

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Well, they did that and, and then they cut the non-resident quota by a couple hundred each when they were selling, you know, thousands of resident tags. So we, yeah, we, we, what do you say we, yeah, what do you say? What

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Do you say? So that’s our point

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Too hard on That’s our,

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That’s our point. The residents will not allow for what we would consider proper management. It’s not that we’re just after the giants things in the world. However, it wouldn’t be nice to go back to the days of Popeye and some of these giants that are known to, to have roamed Wyoming. And that could happen easily with a few years of limited tag quotas. But the residents wanna hunt. I get it. You know, we don’t like non-residents tell us how to run our state. We’re not gonna tell you how to run your state. We, we do write this magazine from a non-resident perspective, is it worth your money to apply? And, and so we, you know, we have it, we are, we feel like we’re vested financially. We’re given Wyoming 30 bucks a point for antelope. 40 bucks a point for deer, 50 bucks a point for elk. And so you feel like you’re vested. We’re we’re funding the state. So we do have an opinion, but it’s from a non-resident perspective and our magazine’s published from a non-res perspective,

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From a deer’s perspective, I think, and, and, and what we just talked about factored in, you need to be, be prepared in Wyoming to not have, even if you have maximum points, that doesn’t mean what it does in Utah or or Arizona or Nevada with 20 plus points or you know, Colorado with 20 plus points. You’re not, you don’t have something guaranteed on the shelf that you’re gonna go hunt a 1 90, 200 inch deer when you draw that burn your points. You don’t. And so case

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In point you have attack. Yeah,

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Yeah. A couple years ago only because I could see that there’s nothing rising to the top. And my Septembers are very busy with what I normally have going hunting wise, maybe guiding sheep wise. And so I just wasn’t able to go, I should have been hunting g as often as I could, or h I’ve been to H before, but I wasn’t. And so I just, I put in for that late hunt 1 28 in the rutt only because I could do the hunt if I drew it. Not because I thought that’s the best place for me to kill a, a giant buck. I ended up killing a really nice buck, but probably not any different as if I’d have really sunk my teeth into G R H for seven to 10 days. Oh, you might better killed, killed

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A might killed better deer. That’s right.

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So the point is, Wyoming on the barometer of trophy deer states and, and your expectations it should be lower than those other states. But having said that, go more often. It’s a state we, we believe in going a little bit more often and, and hunting either a general season area, if you have a bunch of points, it makes sense to maybe use ’em on li limited quota hunt once, but but then go back often. That’s how you’re gonna bring home a 180 to 200 inch deer a few times in your life. You’re not gonna save a limited quota hunt points unless you’re getting real lucky. I mean, there’s a few limited quota hunts in the state that you can get lucky and kill a big deer. But by general, you’re gonna do as good on the general hunts, namely in western Wyoming as anywhere else.

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I think especially when, when we’re talking about some of these things, Adam, we have outfitters that we book hunts for. So if you guys are out there looking to go, you know, give us a holler. That’s what Jeff does here in the office full-time. Of course Adam and I, you’ve done, we’ve done it for 15 plus years. But you know, there are a few big deer on private land pieces that are within a general meaning over the counter for residents or a real easy draw for non-residents that, that, you know, where they offer very few hunters the opportunity to come hunt there for a, for a fee and, and guide ’em. And maybe they’re more, more known as an elk w ranch or, or whatever. And you know, like, you know, area seven for elk or whatever, there’s just, there are some big deer scattered throughout the state.

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It’s not like we do talk about g and h heavily. Come on, let’s face it. It’s unbelievable. Rewrite the record books. If it was managed correctly, it would, it would challenge any state out there. So I guess, I guess that’s where the passion comes from. It’s just hard to see it not totally reach its potential. And once in a while we see a glimmer of hope. When you have a, a good span of years with light winters, man, you see something exciting, all of a sudden they have a good year and there’s two or 3, 200, 220, 30 inch deer taken and then you’ll go 10 more years and, and it’ll be, you know, it’ll suffer quality wise, especially after these tough winters. We

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Break down what we feel are about the, the best 15 or so limited draw hunts for Deere in our magazine. And rather than go line by line through those one at a time, it, it really just, I can’t overemphasize it really depends on how many points you have. If you’ve got max or one under, it probably makes sense to look at some of those hunts that, that are, are requiring max points to look at. But if you don’t, you need to be realistic on how few of people are getting drawn off the top of those units every year. And when I say those, I mean the one thirty’s, the one 20 eights, the one oh ones, some of those units like that, they’re just not, you’re not gonna make headway very fast. It’s maybe somewhat like Colorado elk on the top end units. You’re just not gonna catch these units if you’re a few points behind. Well,

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You got too many, you got too many applicants that are gaining a point each year and, and they keep, the more points people get, the more antsy they get and they’re just grinding on you and you’re, and at some point we even find ourselves consoling, we’re like, man, let me just be honest with you. This is where you’re truly sitting. And so like this year for example, I mean I’m considering not putting it on the books, but I’m considering going in dual with my kids or something and saying, Hey, you know, that, that I’ll be able to boost them a little bit and bring ’em up to what they need on a couple of these opportunities. That’s, and then we’ll go out there and hey, if we kill ’em, if we kill a monster and it’ll be awesome. But, but, but overall it’s gonna give you an opportunity to be able to hunt with your kids. And so gain points, gain all the points you can. Don’t think about. It’s pretty cheap in the big scheme of things. I mean none of this stuff’s cheap, but this is cheap. Yeah.

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So, and don’t be afraid in Wyoming, the the point hoarders for deer, if you’re, if you’re a couple of points off or beyond on, on deer, you, there’s really not bad options for you to burn something that you got 10 points on that takes six or seven. Don’t look at that as wasting five or six points. It’s not view that as you’re going hunting and you’re gonna be able to go back faster, the more points you gain. Sometimes in Wyoming people get, they, they even feel like more like they should wait and that’s really not the case that to have to wait for the only, the best unless you’re maybe with max or one or two under. So you can’t fail. You can’t fail on Wyoming dear fit it in your schedule. It’s nice to have a May 31st application deadline. It’s after Utah, it’s after Nevada comes out. If you decide not to apply for all species in Wyoming points only is from July through October. And keep in mind, even if you do apply new this issue,

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You’ve gotta go reapply

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For the deer, elk, and antelope. Even if you did apply for a unit earlier on for elk and you do apply now for antelope and deer, you still have to go in July through September and buy your points for those. That’s new for 2019. Yeah, don’t forget you

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Have to apply twice. Well most people, and this is, they’re gonna lose a point this year, but most people will think, I applied, I’m done. They pulled out the fee from my refund, I’m happy no big deal. They go back to go going back to their normal daily routine and not thinking another thing about Wyoming and they did change that up. Yeah. So they’ll probably e you know, send out copious amounts of emails and, and inundate us with, with the, you know, a reminding us to apply. But anyway, just a word. Otherwise,

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Sheep and moose are the only two exceptions to that. They are, they’re taking that 150 bucks

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For they’re gonna keep and they’re gonna keep it. Yep. Not even an option. They’re gonna keep it, which is another. Anyway, that’s a whole nother rant for a whole nother podcast.

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Let’s move on to Jason.

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One thing I, one thing

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Antelope in Wyoming, I thought that’s where you were wanting to go, but anyway, I’m

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Headed there. Okay. I was gonna say we’ve hunted antelope a lot in Wyoming actually, Adam, you have. I have. It’s been awesome. It is times there are good opportunities for antelope in Wyoming. You just never know when it’s gonna happen. Of course we’ve teased on other podcasts with John and some of these other guys who’ve spent some time up there on an antelope and some of the different crazy experiences they’ve had with Kurt’s father and and other. But anyway, it’s awesome. We’ve killed some great bucks. It’s easy hunting. I mean, what a great opportunity for guys that want to go, go out there. There’s a lot of public land and many of the units, some of them aren’t so public, but even if you find a section or two, well Jeff proved it, it’s pretty darn good. Yeah,

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There’s not a lot of secrets to, to antelope punting. You got a truck, you got a cooler drinks,

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Shovel if you get stuck or if you need it

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Ca an animal.

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Yeah, that’s a whole nother podcast starter. But yeah, don’t be afraid for that. I mean these are, they’re, they’re built for low pressure, two to three day weekend type hunts with your kids or with your group of buddies, whatever your point level is in antelope, whether you’re sitting at the top with 13 points and needing to only look at the red desert units, that’s fine. If you’ve got six or eight, somewhere in between, you’ve got a lot of options. As you start to get down to zero, one or two, naturally you have a lot fewer options that you can command or force to draw with one or, or zero or two points. But there are some, and there’s always the 25% of the, of the tags that go in the random draw, especially on antelope where there’s some tags in the random draw. So starting the tables use it as a, as an add-on. There’s more antelope than people in Wyoming and you really can’t go wrong as long as you know that you’re in an area that has enough public land to, to be on. So we

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Do cover, like Adam said, we do cover the be better units and there’s been an un unbelievable number of big old antelope taken up there. It’s, you know, 85 to even 90 plus inch goats. And so pretty impressive. Yeah. Another opportunity you could get in on the super tags, you can apply online w gfd dot y w.gov back slash epic outdoors and you can get on there 10 species, 11 chances to win. They’ve got the super tag options that you can go on there that you can get tickets for $10 a piece trifecta for 30 bucks a piece. Anyway, just another opportunity that one, the deadline to apply is July 1st. If you get past Oh, about June 15th, yeah, past June 15th. If you don’t have a, a hunt that you’ve drawn, then you can jump in on there and and grab something so well

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And every year it feels like we have two or three of our epic outdoors members that that win those. And we have stories in our magazine every year of people that win ’em the year before. That’s right. So there’s real people at the end of those, you know, long shot statistics, so might as well be you. But anyway,

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I do wanna thank a few people though. Travis Osmond killed his first 200 inch out of, out of Wyoming there, his home state on general tag and what an awesome little dropper. Big great story. Of course I guard split. Yeah, just awesome. So anyway, thanks again. Of course if you guys, anybody out there that wants to submit their photos and stories, we’d be happy to have ’em. Chris, where do they send them? C h r i [email protected]. John

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Is the traditional spell. J o h [email protected]. Let’s,

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Let’s talk about Idaho. Let’s do it. Are we moving on?

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Let’s do it. So the deadline for moose, sheep and goat was April 30th. So if you applied for one of those three, ignore what we’re about to talk about and that’s Idaho deer, elk can antelope. Why

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Would we ignore that?

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Because if you choose one of those, we’ll call ’em the big three sheep, moose or a goat to apply for. You can’t apply for deer, elk, and antelope. There’s a couple of exceptions to that, which is you can apply for some of the unlimited, unlimited and either sex deer, but, but for all intents and purposes, that’s the case. You can’t apply for the best. We’ll just call it the very best. And actually probably 95% of the, the deer tags you can’t apply for. ’cause there’s not very many either sex or unlimited. There’s

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Not very many, but you’ll see ’em in there. If you did do that and you wanna go deer hunting in Idaho, of course you could do an over the counter general. Yes. Or you could do the unlimited, which it is in essence an over the counter general. That’s right. Where

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Does it take to apply in Idaho?

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Well if you’re gonna have to buy a non-refundable hunting license, $154 and 75 cents, then you can go on there and you’ll be able to apply it with minimal fee after that. Whereas the big three, you’ve gotta front the fees. Yeah,

00:23:37:05 –> 00:23:51:19
It’s over 2200 bucks a a pot for those three. But they’ll charge you that and what a $10 stamp for that depredation thing and then it’s, it’s the application fee, which I think is like $14 75 cents. One for Deere and one for elk, one for antelope.

00:23:52:01 –> 00:24:09:00
That’s right. They automatically load that depredation fee when you go in and purchase your hunting license. When you go on to purchase your hunting license, you’re gonna go in there, you need to purchase it first, check out, save it, save the number and then you’ll go back in to apply and you’ll use that hunting license number right

00:24:09:00 –> 00:24:32:16
After you actually buy the hunting license and check out and it has the thing to print it. Print it a hard copy. They do email. If you provide a good email, they email it to you too. But there’s lots of warnings that they’re not printing you the licenses anymore. Yeah, they’re like, here, print it or, or whatever. And then right as you get done with that, it says there’s a controlled hunt button. You can click that and then it takes you the controlled hunt stream. Then you go, so you don’t have to go log back in anymore.

00:24:33:00 –> 00:24:42:19
No’s. No, you don’t have to go log back in. But when you go in and you’d load your hunt choices, then they’re gonna say, well we need different validate to you as a person. Plug in your hunting license number. It pulls you up, you attach it,

00:24:43:09 –> 00:24:46:08
It should know that you have one ’cause you bought it like three minutes ago.

00:24:46:13 –> 00:24:47:11
But come on. But

00:24:47:11 –> 00:24:48:12
It doesn’t, I’m just telling

00:24:48:12 –> 00:24:52:19
You that I do Anybody from Idaho that’s listening, come on. That’s a, that’s a good, come on. Well

00:24:53:07 –> 00:24:57:17
We can digress to Arizona because that’s the whole other issue down there. I know.

00:24:57:22 –> 00:25:01:01
Anyway, but let’s do a one time checkout. How about that? And

00:25:01:01 –> 00:25:07:24
At least you can do that up here in Idaho when you do these three, you can do the elk, deer, and antelope, you know, together. You don’t have to check them out one it,

00:25:07:24 –> 00:25:24:18
But my point is, apply for deer, elk can antelope along with the hunting license. Come on. So what we’re finding is the Cabela’s kind of ironic or Cabela’s Cabela’s credit card. You go in and pay for your hunting license, then you go back in to pay for something else like a sheep or goat moose and, and it

00:25:24:29 –> 00:25:25:29
Fraud alerts. Fraud.

00:25:25:29 –> 00:25:26:14
Fraud. Alert

00:25:26:14 –> 00:25:40:29
Fraud. Big fraud alert. Might have happened to, well some of you guys, it wouldn’t go through and I guess, you know, it’s the way the fraud are built, you know you have a smaller charge for 160 or 70 bucks and then you try to crush it for 2200 bucks and it and it has lots of red light Amex cards.

00:25:41:05 –> 00:25:46:00
Yeah. They’re thinking somebody’s in Vegas giving ’em grief. So anyway, whatever. Alright,

00:25:46:02 –> 00:25:55:08
Let’s move on. Deadline to apply in Idaho. This, what are we gonna, what we gotta apply for by March? Or sorry March. Ah no, not March. June 5th. June 5th. Get applied.

00:25:55:08 –> 00:26:08:14
All that’s the key application date. June 5th. So get your stuff in by then. Of course they’re gonna let you start applying May 1st. Kind of cool. You’ll have your, you should have your magazines. Of course. Again, it’s online for anybody that’s interested. Let’s move

00:26:08:14 –> 00:26:10:05
On. No point system. No point system.

00:26:10:05 –> 00:26:15:22
Yeah. No point system in I, one thing we do love about Idaho, we love that there’s no point system. We love New Mexico for that.

00:26:15:29 –> 00:26:20:20
We like variety. We like variety in the states to where you, there’s some predictability and there’s some that’s just

00:26:21:08 –> 00:26:21:14

00:26:22:08 –> 00:26:24:11
Applying. I got this bonds, anybody get

00:26:24:11 –> 00:26:57:29
One one year. Adam we can apply for sheep. If they had points we would be locked in for sheep forever. ’cause you’d feel guilty. Yeah. Applying for sheep and getting some points and then digressing, diverting whatever and starting to apply for Deere. And so, and you’d be back and forth. Now, right now when Deere’s struggling in Idaho because of the 2016, 2017 winter kill, I don’t feel so bad applying for sheep, you know, but then if deer is strong and exciting, elk are strong and exciting, then you’re back into de and deer for a minute. And so it just depends on the year and our schedule. But yep. Anyway, that’s kind of how we do it there in Idaho. Couple changes.

00:26:58:01 –> 00:26:59:01
One thing. Go ahead. What were

00:26:59:01 –> 00:27:24:06
Gonna say, we used to be advocates of Idaho starting a point system years ago. They, they were running in the red nonstop and we felt, you know, like, hey well you’re making us buy this $155 license for freaking no reason. We’re not getting nothing for it. We don’t even step foot in your state. There’s no point system, no nothing. So what am I getting? You’re just charging me. Well no, we kinda like it. Yeah, these systems are maturing in other states and it’s becoming harder and harder to get

00:27:24:06 –> 00:28:00:28
That. Yeah, I like the, I like the diversity, I like the differences. Another, another thing you might keep in mind if you’ve got kids Idaho a couple years ago changed their minimum age to 10. So it’s a state you might consider applying your kids and they have a reduced price hunting license fee that it’s called the junior, junior mentored hunting license. Like $31 75 cents. So it’s 120 bucks cheaper than the adult license. The application fees per species are the same, but it, it’s pretty affordable. You know, you can for whatever 50, 60 bucks you depending on if you do deer and elk and whatnot, you can, you can apply them up there. Again, no point system.

00:28:01:14 –> 00:28:28:04
And we also appreciate the fact, Adam, you and I both have kids that smoke things up there. We’re not, if you buy ’em, if you’re, if you buy ’em the mentored priced deer elk tag, you’re not having to front the full non-resident fee. And so how awesome is that there at least taking care of our kids. Of course they’re getting them to ex to be excited about Idaho and then from forevermore they’ll fleece ’em when they become 18 plus for the full license fee. And I get that and it’s good business and and whatnot. But they

00:28:28:04 –> 00:29:09:17
Have had a couple of harder winners, you know, in the last three years for that have really in some places reduce some of their deer numbers as well as some of their mature buck numbers. Their, their bigger deer. Having said that, Idaho’s got a really wide range of archery, a few muzzle loader and some great rifle deer hunting opportunities. They really do. If so, if you forego the sheep, you got some great options for deer. Depends really just depends. A lot of people ask us, Hey, what should I apply for deer? It really just depends. If you’re an archery guy, where are you gonna start? Like that’s you. It’s such a broad, you you’ve got October rifle hunts, you got November rutt hunts that are terrible drawing odds. What one to a time works works best for you and you want,

00:29:09:17 –> 00:29:38:00
You got unlimiteds that are unlimited if you apply for first choice, that’s right. Now keep in mind you’re only, your first choice counts. And so it’s really important, again, awesome, awesome feature. It really makes people really apply for what they wanna apply for. But there’s even an even new things like a new muzzle or season in 74 November 16th to the 30th for 20 Lucky guys. I mean there’s just, man who knows, there’s just so much out there. There’s, there’s, there’s hunts, rutt hunts with five total tags. I mean just crazy stuff out there. Bit

00:29:38:00 –> 00:29:54:28
Of everything, yes stuff that’s just a notch above general season in terms of a limited number of tags. But a lot of people have failed to almost total exclusivity with like you said, five or 10 tags in the rutt and go until November 30th with the rifle. 15 to 30th or first to the 30th or things like that. And a lot

00:29:54:28 –> 00:30:18:18
Of, and a lot of those Adam and we know ’cause we’ve hunted them, a lot of those are, you’re just hunting general units with special dates. And so, you know, it goes from being, everybody can hunt ’em over the counter to, well you can hunt these special units at the end and we’ll give five five guys the opportunity to, you know, smoke a buck on the winter range. That’s easy access from maybe he had walked 20 miles to the winter range. So that’s what

00:30:18:18 –> 00:30:28:01
We often tell folks is if, if you’re scheduled by June 5th, I mean I wouldn’t wait till the very last day but you know what I mean, until the, by the 1st of June, if it’s looking open like you got some openings, least

00:30:28:01 –> 00:30:28:28
Wait for the Utah drivers.

00:30:29:05 –> 00:31:03:12
Come on. Yeah, Utah, Nevada, you know, don’t think we, there’s outside chance now with Colorado being late, you might know that. But if you don’t, if you don’t have much, go a little bit more on the aggressive side of things. Much like what we encourage people to do in New Mexico, since there’s not a point system go more by aggressive, I mean go for something that’s easier to draw. Maybe October dates maybe a little bit higher tag numbers. But if you’re like, hey, I’ve got a lot going on and I’ve only got a gap gap in November and then swing for the fence, go for a late rutt hunt. Or if you got time some of the archery hunts, you know, maybe look at some of those. Yeah,

00:31:03:14 –> 00:31:19:14
Talk about that. We, we got four unit 44 jumping to 50 tags during the archery. Unbelievable drawing odds are gonna be off the charts for great great potential. Never seen a five times tag number increase and so on. One of the best units in the state. Kind of crazy. That’s

00:31:19:14 –> 00:32:00:26
Right. Unique. They don’t have a lot of archery only hunts wanna make, make, make clear that they don’t but they got some good ones. Jumping to elk similarly, they’ve got a bit of everything. They’ve got a few elite, when I say a few, probably a few more than a few, but they’ve got a handful of what we’d call elite, you know, what we’d call trophy units. 54 probably being no question being the number one. The one thing about that is they’ve doubled the tags on all seasons. Now that’s doubled from 10 to 20. And while that doesn’t seem like a monumental change, it’s, we’re talking about unit that has been as solid for three 70 plus bulls as any, any other unit in the west. It’s been right up there. You could rival it with Utah, Nevada, Arizona, Arizona.

00:32:00:28 –> 00:32:37:16
Maybe one of the be it one truly one of the best opportunities in the West. Yeah. And so when you double the tag numbers, you got good hunters, they got great season dates, you also changed the rifle to October 15th opener that’s gonna, that’s gonna kill some bulls. There’s no question about it. And so we’ve just, you know, sad to see it. Nothing stays the same, nothing stays the same. But having said that, guys should jump in on that rifle the first two first couple years that, that that’s available and, and you know, open to those 20 guys, they’re gonna kill some great bulls and then, then the quality’s gonna moderate a little bit.

00:32:38:04 –> 00:33:30:25
And and much like the deer, they’ve got such a wide range of options. They’ve got archery stuff the end of August, they’ve got rifle stuff August 1st in some units where they’ve got deprecating elk and p pivots and corn fields and things like that. 52 45 new, new for this year. Units like that. You’ve got rifle hunts starting at things off and then they finish off in those same units in December with rifle hunts. So you’ve got from August to December pick your, your window and gap in your schedule and they’re, I promise is something for elk hunting that you can fit in and, and really solid bulls outside of 54, maybe a couple. Don’t put some pressure. Yeah, no question. I, I’ll set of 54 and a couple others. I think the, the sweet spot Jason three 10 to three 40 bulls is probably an expectation for a lot of the units there. There’s, there’s, there’s a, a few that have an expectation of three 50 plus but not as many as other states. Well

00:33:30:25 –> 00:34:22:25
And we’ve spent time, we’ve been lucky spent, spent some time in, you know, unit 40 42. We’ve seen a lot of the bulls on those late seasons. It, oh I guess I just want to just say it’s unbelievable those late seasons Adam, like 42, 46, 47, some of that stuff where we’ve seen it, we’ve seen the herds of elk down down there November, December hunts. It’s unbeatable. And so anyway, great opportunities. Don’t be scared of ’em I guess is my point. Hunting late season up there, end of October there in 45. Unbelievable. The herds of elk that you see. And so anyway, it wouldn’t scare me a bit to go those December 1st seasons in some of those units. The August 1st. I mean I’m usually wanting to scout deer or something like that. But if a guy’s open August 1st, why not go smoke one in velvet? I guess I can think of one reason it might take 14 gallons of formaldehyde to preserve the velvet.

00:34:23:05 –> 00:34:49:14
Well it’s unique and, and and you know, sometimes some of those elk could have been in a summer rutt if you will, just raiding fields, raiding fields. I think the legally they probably can’t hunt ’em till August. And as soon as that opens up they wanna break that addiction for these elk and corn and alfalfa fields and and start putting pressure on them. And they’ve done that in 50, in 52 and it’s, it has taken the edge. There’s not as many bulls standing around where to be shot and nerdy. August as there was

00:34:49:26 –> 00:35:05:19
Kind of funny, the landowners whine and complain about some of the depredation then when the hunts come around, they don’t want hunters on the field, you know, or don’t want ’em in my property. So anyway, whatever. Can’t please everybody. We all try to get along a little bit. So anyways, as far as antelope, I

00:35:05:19 –> 00:35:06:10
Think we can move on.

00:35:07:09 –> 00:35:17:01
Not one of the best antelope states by far. Not even probably in the top two thirds here in the west, but if you’re applying for deer and elk might as well throw your lot in for antelopes. Pretty

00:35:17:16 –> 00:35:41:11
Odd are pretty tough really. ’cause they don’t have, you know, we just got done talking about Wyoming where the sky’s a limit in options and, and Idaho has a finite resource, you know, I don’t know exactly, but you might put it on par with, oh maybe Utah not even on par with Utah in terms of numbers. So it’s, it’s an easy add-on for 15 bucks and they’ve got solid hunts. If you’ve got time to work one of those in,

00:35:41:19 –> 00:35:58:28
Well and you know what you could give, give these tags to your kids. You can’t do it for sheep, goat, and moose anymore. But you could transfer it to a child or grandchild and, and so if you drew one of those tags, hey, you know, and it’s not something that you know, you feel like suits you perfectly, who cares? Give it to one of your kids. I mean go up there and smoke something. Feed

00:35:59:01 –> 00:36:05:23
Got the men. Yep, that’s right. The mentor programs in place there. You can give a deer, elk or antelope tag like I said, up until they’re 18 years old. So

00:36:05:25 –> 00:37:02:22
As you can see in the publication, we continue to have great stories. Even from Idaho. Wasn’t one of the best years last year, it was a tough year quite frankly, but there was still some pretty significant mule deer. You’ll find them throughout the pages of the magazine along with like Kent gss a 200 inch or what a stud. Big old point mass. Just a amazing animal. Good friend of mine, Ben, he smoked an amazing animal second year in a row. He just, man, there’s some good hunting up there. Even the over the counter great opportunities for guys. I went up there and spent some time last year seen plenty of nice four point bucks. Even stuff that, you know, glassed ’em up four up four plus miles with the btx as I probably should have run and gun and get on ’em. But you know, it didn’t look like there was big old hangers out both sides. So I just kept glassing. But anyway, there’s great opportunities and awesome to go up there and continue to learn. You feel like you, you learn something every time you go up. I know Adam, you spent time with your kids up there. Yeah, in fact

00:37:03:21 –> 00:37:24:16
You shut antelope. My daughter shut her antelope last year. Yeah. So it was one of those afterthoughts, you know, applied ’em last year for deer and deer and elk and added antelope. Just I guess because, and went up there. She killed the first antelope. Had a great time. Just a quick two day, two day trip like most antelope punts can be. And it was fun. Saw giant, saw a big one speaking away. Saw

00:37:24:16 –> 00:37:26:19
Did. Sorry we dis on it a little bit. Yeah,

00:37:26:22 –> 00:37:39:29
Yep. It was, it was fine. It was good. But yeah, just opportunity hunt. We obviously live in Utah so we’re a little closer to Idaho. We can run up there in seven, eight hours and you’re hunting and you know, which is, you know, not, you know. Well and

00:37:40:05 –> 00:37:44:28
You drew one of the muzz loader deer tags a few years back. I mean, yeah dude

00:37:45:06 –> 00:37:50:13
Felt lucky there. You’ve drawn some good tags. Like I said, our kids have drawn some good deer tags in the kid. Drew

00:37:50:16 –> 00:37:50:26

00:37:51:07 –> 00:38:02:16
Yeah, he drew a youth tag a couple years ago, actually that was 2017. 17. So yeah, we’ve been to Idaho a lot, both of us every year for probably the last handful. Feels like we’ve been up there. Pretty

00:38:02:16 –> 00:38:14:22
Awesome state. Awesome. We appreciate you Idaho. Hope you can make the budgets continue to work without an issue, a point system keep, keep unplugging. That’s what we’re gonna do too. We’re gonna keep funding you. Alright, let’s jump into Washington.

00:38:15:14 –> 00:38:27:11
All right. Washington has a deadline of May 22nd. That’s the deadline for their applications. We only cover the sheep, goat and moose in this issue. Why? Why,

00:38:27:13 –> 00:38:28:05
Why? Why is that?

00:38:29:01 –> 00:38:50:04
Well at at $110 that fills cheap compared to what they charge non-residents to apply for deer and elk. And the reason for that is a special permit home application for sheet moose and goat is $110 per species. They’re well established. Jeez. They’re well established. 25 plus years into a point system that is squared. And so what do you mean by that?

00:38:50:06 –> 00:38:53:00
I think it’s just so many applicants. If you look the drawing ons,

00:38:53:04 –> 00:38:55:01
That’s terrible. Terrible drawing ons. Not

00:38:55:01 –> 00:38:55:07

00:38:55:12 –> 00:39:05:18
Squaring the points. That’s right. And they square ’em. So it’s hard to tell you that this is a no-brainer. But having said that, every year we have members that draw with less than 10 that I know. You know, we do it every year. It happens. I know

00:39:05:18 –> 00:39:19:04
It’s like a poo-pooing freaking Oregon and both of us crank out of sheep out of there. I don’t know what you say. That’s right. Apply, apply, apply. I guess it’s just one of those things though. If you have limited funds, you talked about it in in the Washington writeup with the raffle section. That’s right.

00:39:19:04 –> 00:39:31:04
You can consider the raffle tags maybe get banged for the buck. The only issue is you, they don’t don’t accept phone or wire or wire over the internet sell. So you need a connection there or be able to be close to Washington to go buy one at the vendor,

00:39:31:05 –> 00:39:32:05
Pay somebody off. So

00:39:32:05 –> 00:39:32:18

00:39:32:18 –> 00:39:33:17
Some something to do there.

00:39:33:17 –> 00:40:32:17
Yep. The reason we don’t cover the deer and the elk is, is when you go apply for the controlled and quality hunts for those, you have to first then add a general season tag for those species, for deer and for elk. And for most non-residents, now I emphasize most, they’re not gonna be going there to hunt a general season for deer and elk. And so the controlled on application fee is very cheap for deer and elk. But you’ve gotta have, you’ve gotta buy a general season deer and elk tag as a prerequisite to do that. A little bit like Montana does it. So, and that’s non-refundable. So unless you live in Oregon or maybe the parts of Idaho or somewhere close or you have a connection you’re gonna go back to anyway, it’s just, it’s cost prohibitive. You’re talking about, you know, hundreds of dollars for such a slim chance. So we don’t cover that in in the magazine. We just cover the sheep, moose and goat, like we said, they’re in a point system squared. You get four choices on your application, all of which get looked at before they go to the next applicant. And one thing to keep in mind is all residents and non-residents are in the hat in

00:40:32:17 –> 00:40:33:14
Washington, but in the same, same pool.

00:40:33:19 –> 00:40:34:16
No quotas. Yep.

00:40:34:20 –> 00:40:57:05
No setaside quotas. We’re actually kind of a fan of these setaside quotas. You know, I guess in Idaho we could revert back a little bit. It’s they didn’t have seta aside quotas like for the sheep, goat and loose and things like that. And so when they don’t have set aside quotas, it’s hard to know where we’re gonna pull our tags from. Same thing here. You know, they don’t have set aside quotas. It’s kind of nice in a way I guess you kind of, ah, you know,

00:40:57:05 –> 00:40:59:00
Everybody’s in the hat together but everybody’s in the hat

00:40:59:04 –> 00:41:04:16
Together. But I dunno. Yep. Kind of nice to have set aside quotas in many instances. Yep.

00:41:04:21 –> 00:41:12:18
So the drawing odds we reflect there just simply apply to how many people, number of people put, put in there. Resident and non-resident divided by the number of tax. That’s

00:41:12:18 –> 00:41:21:19
Simply what’s, if you’re going in with no points and you got you, I say an average point, level of 10, I mean you can kind of do the math you’re looking at one in 10,000 in some of these places. Very,

00:41:21:29 –> 00:41:24:04
Very uphill drawing outs. Great,

00:41:24:05 –> 00:42:13:13
Great stories. Appreciate everybody that smith, the stories. You can go on our not to totally leave Washington, you can go in there. We’ve, we’ve put in, you know, the best units, all units, all units and, and also listed the best units within those and kind of bolded them this year. We’ve kind of added that. Thanks to a member suggestion, it’s hard to rank units. We tried to get away from ranking units number 1, 2, 3, 4, and five in large part because you never know where the most biggest wazoo animal’s gonna come from. But we do have a feel for what are the better units within the state, the top, fifth, sixth, whatever, the very top top. And so we, we do list that bold that and in general terms, put it in there for you. So guys that want to plug and play, jump in on that. I have at it. So let’s talk about one of our favorite states. Iowa,

00:42:13:21 –> 00:42:17:18
Did you say our or your when? I haven’t hunted Iowa.

00:42:17:25 –> 00:42:19:12
Me neither. Okay. We need to,

00:42:19:19 –> 00:42:51:08
Okay, well we’ve had four points. I think both of us for probably six. I drew a a tag six or eight years. You ate one once, six, three. Now I’m back at three. Back to four. That’s right. I’ve had four for probably eight or 10 years. I just, the hard thing for us is making time in November. ’cause we’re gonna want to go hunt ’em in the rutt when they’re rutting with our bows is making time, putting aside a couple deer hunts in early November, whether it be Colorado, Nevada, Idaho, some years or whatever else. We may draw shoving that to the side and, and making time to go do it. And that’s what we haven’t made time to do. Well

00:42:51:08 –> 00:43:01:02
And I’m, and I, and I’m holding my points. I’m gonna continue to get points just so when Lee and Tiff call, I’ve got ’em and I’m ready to go whenever they tell me I show up. You know what I mean, huh?

00:43:01:09 –> 00:43:02:23
Yeah. Might be waiting a while.

00:43:03:18 –> 00:43:40:23
I know, I know. I get it As we move forward. We do, we do condone Iowa. We work with Outfitters with Iowa. If you needed somewhere to go, we’ve happy to help you. Zones four and five generally been the best producers. We do list Boone and Crockett data within that. And a large part is, it’s, it’s, you know, management and the quality are largely, largely a result of particular ranches and farms and whatnot. And it’s broke up into thousands of landowners and whatnot. And so it’s hard to really get a feel and it’s hard to manage when you’ve got landowners able to manage however they wanna manage.

00:43:41:13 –> 00:44:40:04
Yeah, it is, it’s, it’s much like Kansas. People ask us, where’s the best zone really? You could go to any zone in, in Iowa and potentially kill a, a monster deer if that property and the adjoining properties around it are all kind of somewhat managed similarly, or you just simply kill a fluke buck, which, you know, happens from time to time to time as well. But the, the biggest thing to keep in mind in Iowa is you’re gonna have to work out the logistics of where you’re gonna hunt before you draw a tag. It’s the amount of private land is extremely high, but it’s worth covering because most of us, Westerners, as we call ourselves, those are some of the first Kansas and Iowa, some of the first states we get to, to hunt, I guess what we’d call the more elite trophy type whitetailed deer. We of course can hunt ’em in wi Wyoming and Montana and Idaho and you know, Oregon, Washington, you know, the Dakotas, places like that, Colorado. But we cover these because, you know, look at, you got

00:44:40:04 –> 00:45:17:06
A crop at demand, it takes up just a few pages. We got, we got some demand in there from the members. We try to satisfy that demand. However, what we tr really truly try to do is be the, the best source of information in the Western US. And so that’s what we try to do. That’s our forte. We’re not gonna deviate from that. I just don’t see us jumping into New Hampshire, Vermont. I’ve never had anybody call and ask for those. And so anyway, we’re gonna, you know, we, we do cover Iowa, we do cover Kansas, but a lot of it’s just outta courtesy for our, for our, our membership. And so anyway, you can kind of go on there. The June, the, it’s got a June 2nd deadline to apply

00:45:17:19 –> 00:46:02:26
Points only is about 60 bucks, A little over 60 bucks. So if you are just interested in accruing some points, get a point, you know, your rifle firearms hunts, shotgun muzzle loader might emphasize that most of the firearm hunts are shotgun, muzzle loader hunts, not center fire. So you gotta be prepared for that, which isn’t a big problem this day and age using scope, muzzle loaders and, and all that. But zero to one points for a lot of those zones. But then archery, like Jason alluded, three to four points to guarantee you about anywhere in the state. And, and some take less than that. So don’t wanna make it seem like you have to get three or four, but some of those, you do have to get some, you can get zero with zero or two, but 60 something bucks build a point, gives you an option down the road if you want to hunt a big white tilt at some point. Awesome.

00:46:03:09 –> 00:46:49:06
Well, we do wanna talk a little bit about, we’ve been yaking and we yak a lot in the office up. We do wanna talk about timing. It’s on been on our minds about timing, about booking hunts and whatnot. As you come into the end of the magazine, you come up with Jeff’s hunting opportunities. He’s listed some of the hunts there and it’s not just about, you know, booking hunts. Like here I’ve got 15,000, 10,000, 5,000, 3000 and I want to book a hunt. It’s timing. There’s sometimes when you just get a better deal on a truck, there’s sometimes when it just makes sense to buy a house or to buy property, to build a house because of the economy or whatever. And then there’s sometimes when you force it, I’m gonna go no matter what. And you book it and you don’t have a great hunt because the timing was bad.

00:46:49:06 –> 00:47:29:17
Maybe they just had a die off. Maybe they’ve had something happen with the ranch or whatever. And so timing is everything. We’ve had some great hunts come available and guys didn’t necessarily take advantage of ’em. They were nervous. They had the money, they knew they wanted to spend the money, but it’s hard to really make it happen and, and write the check. And then that hunt becomes not available. It becomes sold. And so there’s just a few things like that. And I think much like our epic member hunt giveaway, now is the time to hunt Nevada. Now is the time to hunt elk in New Mexico. We’ve got some great sheep hunts available. Even, I mean hunts that you can’t otherwise buy. Yeah, because we, we were there at the right time. That’s

00:47:29:17 –> 00:48:14:29
Right. Well, we see with this, which by way of announcement, Jason, yeah, this kicked off. This is our, I guess we’ll call it our summer. This is the issue, but it’s our summer membership drive hunt giveaway. Keeping in mind, this is just gonna go from right now till June 14th. This is very short. There’s a few of these hunts that are for the fall of 2019, the stone sheep hunt, the Nevada mule deer hunts, which there’s two of them, and the New Mexico archery elk hunt. We realize we can’t push those. We can’t sell tickets forever. We’re fine with that. Put ’em out there. Everybody, you, let’s talk about how you can get in for these, because like Jason said, these are not bottom of the barrel stuff. We bought many of these a year in advance.

00:48:15:18 –> 00:48:44:23
Dude, we paid for some of the Nevada landowner tags we bought, we as you know, we buy ’em in October, November. These are hunts. If you went out to buy a 2 31 mil deer tag, I challenge you to do it. I don’t know that you could do it even if you have the money to do it. And so a lot of it goes back to the timing. We wanted the best of the best within the publication. We want it to be hunts that you can’t, you feel like, man, I, I want this opportunity. And, and so this is how you’re gonna be able to get one Yeah. Basically for free charge. Cheap. Well,

00:48:44:23 –> 00:48:59:04
Yeah. And if you had, you know, 50 bucks, a hundred bucks, 200 bucks, this is the time of year. Like all of us this last week, we just got loaded with refunds in New Mexico. Possibly gonna be coming our way here in Wyoming here in the next week or two. I hope not.

00:48:59:23 –> 00:49:47:18
I hope they keep our money. But there’s a good chance we’re gonna be getting a bunch of refunds there as well. It’s just another way that we, we obviously are a business here and, and, and growing a membership base is in our, our few years in existence is still important to us. We have to be able to do that. But at the same to time, we love giving away hunts like this to our members. We, we, we view it as a way to, I mean these are, these are draws, but they’re draws for a lot of people that you can, whether it’s 50 bucks, a hundred bucks, 200 bucks, most everybody can play with what they, what they have and, and dream for something that, like you said, besides the airfare and the minimal tag fees, the hunts paid for, you know, these are, these are the, like the cheapest hunt. Here’s like 13 or 14,000 bucks. I mean, the rest of them are, you know, collectively north of 20 grand.

00:49:47:29 –> 00:50:12:16
So I think, like you said, you need to be getting your name in the hat by June 14th. Couple ways you can do it, you can refer a member and that’s what we want. We want you to tell your friends about us. A lot of you guys are listening to the podcast and you’re not a, you’re not necessarily a member. See what you’re missing out on the a hundred dollars a membership per year. Nothing compared to what we’re all spending almost daily in the, in the, in the truck gas tank when we go on a hunt. Yeah.

00:50:12:16 –> 00:50:57:04
And, and I would dare say that of that a hundred dollars membership that you end up paying for the year, that that some piece of information that you’ll get in that span of one year, whether it be in print, whether it be in podcast podcasts, listening to us or in visiting with us over the phone, you’re gonna save just a couple of tips. You’re gonna save more than that, you know, whether it be dropping a state that you’re wasting your money on or whether it be, you know, double one for something, for, for one, one license in certain places or different things like that. I, I contend you will get your money’s worth outta that and as an incentive right now. Yeah, you get a, you get a hunt or a ticket in the draw for our hunt giveaway if you join right now, let’s just real quick run the room, Jason, let ’em know.

00:50:57:06 –> 00:51:15:28
Okay. So what we’ve got, we’ve got up Stone sheep hunt in British Columbia for full Curl Stone Outfitters August 16th to the 29th. That’s for this year 2019. We’ve got an Alaska Doll sheep hunt with Jonah’s Alaskan Outfitters, August 18th to the 27th, 2020. I think we booked the last two spots he had in 2020.

00:51:16:03 –> 00:51:29:18
We did, we bought the last two because we knew, you know, when they’re gone, they’re gone. And that gives you a little bit of time to prepare. If you do win it in mid-June this year after do the drawing, you got a little bit over a year, but that’s still secured great dates for you in 2020.

00:51:29:20 –> 00:52:08:13
Alaska Brown Bear, we’ve got May 10th to the 25th with Alaska Trophy adventures. You know, that particular area has, every other year they have a spring hunt. So we picked up a spring hunt in 2020. The next year it’s available just because it’s the best opportunity. If you could hunt spring or fall that spring hunt’s the best opportunity to kill a great bear. And he’s doing awesome. We got a Nevada 2 42 mule deer hunt that’s, we’ve purchased the landowner tag and we paid a ground, the floor, the tag alone was 17 five, $17,500. You can hunt any season you want. You get to choose which, which season you get to hunt with this outfitter, deep Creek Outfitters, Travis Levitt, really good friend of ours. Yep.

00:52:08:13 –> 00:52:14:23
We booked and paid that. That’s already been paid too. So you get, you get a guided hunt and land a tag outta that deal. So

00:52:14:23 –> 00:52:44:20
Great opportunity when you’re done. If you didn’t happen to kill a buck with Travis, you can stay as long as you want until the season closes, archery, muzzle or rifle. And so anyway, then we’ve also with GT Nun, good friend of ours, we’ve dealt with him for years and years of frontier outfitting, New Mexico archery elk hunt, September 1st to the 14th or the 15th to the 24th. They have two different seasons. You gotta choose one of ’em and he’ll take you down there. Of course, our cover bull from the February issue was on there, scratching the door of 400 in a drought year last year.

00:52:44:23 –> 00:53:40:11
That’s right. So yeah, the ways to ways to join our service is give us a call either (435) 263-0777 or join [email protected] and there’ll be a, you know, very simple way to, to join. We obviously need your mailing address for the magazine, your email perhaps. And then you can select, be sure you ch select which hunt you want to be entered for. Again, it’s only from now till June 14th. This is not something we run for 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 months. This is something we just came out with here and May 1st is right upon us here. Very short six week turnaround here. So get on there, either enter by joining our service or referring somebody might emphasize, if you refer somebody Jason, they’ll get a name in the hat and you’ll get a name in the hat. And so you got two tickets in play there. Or if you just wanna purchase ti tickets, you can do that again all online or over the phone with us. And you can buy

00:53:40:11 –> 00:54:24:08
It, you can buy it for your buddy so you can call in and buy it for him. And we can discuss that when you call in. We do have different ticket packages. If you wanted to purchase, you know, one ticket, 25 bucks, five for 110 for 2,230 for $500. If you do purchase a $500 ticket package, you get in for a bonus tag. This is a unit 2 31 deer tag in Nevada. Again, good for all three seasons. We challenge you to go out there and find one right now. You, it’s unbelievable. The, the moisture is off the charts. It’s gonna be an incredible year in Nevada. That’s why we’ve thrown two of them in there. Mule deer is similar to stone sheep or Rocky Mountain Bighorn or doll or Brown Bear. It’s very tough to find an awesome hunt for big old bucks. That’s

00:54:24:08 –> 00:54:47:20
Right. We know, we know what we want this year. We know what we would want more of. So we threw two, two Nevada deer tags in there. The draw’s not coming out till May 23rd. Doesn’t matter. You can kill 10 deer a year in Nevada if you want. You can draw a tag. You can draw a tag, buy a tag, draw a tag, buy five tags. Buy five tags. It doesn’t matter. Nevada’s a unique state. They don’t have a quota of one antler deer like a lot of other states do. Yeah.

00:54:47:26 –> 00:55:04:26
So anyway, if Adam and I could legally draw our own, we would’ve been applying. We, we apply some of the state raffles here and there where it makes sense. This totally makes sense. This is one of those opportunities. Short application window. It’s one of those opportunities that makes sense. Get your buddy in and

00:55:04:26 –> 00:55:46:08
Here’s an incentive for you to do it. And you get your names in the hat for tickets. Well, one thing we want to just, maybe one quick shout out, Jason, is May is a big month for dry results too. Keep that in mind. And one last plug for our service is if you draw a tag and you want some help with it, whether that’s guided and you need an outfitter, give us a call. We’ve, we’ve worked with these outfitters for decades, most of them in in the States. We know who’s producing now and who’s still producing. We can give you the best individual that for your unit. If you’re more of a do it yourself or self-guided type individual, give us a call. We have the Epic Member Experience database as another resource for our members. This might be the way that you get your more than a hundred dollars out of our services.

00:55:46:11 –> 00:56:10:20
If you draw a great tag this year and you call and let us know which unit, we’ll send you a list of other Epic outdoors members that have had that same tag in the past. Their emails or their phone numbers. You can converse with them, talk to ’em about their hunts, where they camped, where they hunted, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Some of that information might be worth over a hundred dollars right there, let alone Oh. So keep that in mind. It’s a big state for dry results. Plus we just love to get calls from people that say they drew something awesome. So let us know.