EP 124: Hunting Q&A with the Epic Outdoors Crew. In this episode of the Epic Outdoors Podcast we take questions submitted by our listeners and talk about them. We provide our take on each question and try to provide the best insight we have on the subjects. We cover a multitude of topics from Mule Deer scouting to Applications to questions on our history. Thanks for all the questions that were submitted.

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October could make a a novice hunter. A non hunter.

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That’s exactly what I’m trying to say. You know, they’re muled there. They stay within that mile or two area unless they’re just totally blown out.

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Anything to do with Western big Games.

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Welcome to the Epic Outdoors Podcast, powered by Under Armour.

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Hey everybody. Jason Carter. Adam Bronson. Jeff John, Chris Peterson here in the office. Coming at you from Southern Utah. Rainy Southern Utah. Cloudy out there, boys. Yeah, it’s cold. Well, I think we need a little more rain. We’ve been, we’ve been, been inundated with rain and snow, but we need a little more, right? Yeah. Huh.

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Yeah. I don’t know about that. We might be hitting our limit. I don’t know. Almost not gonna complain. We’re always beggars it feels like, but man, it’s, there’s no shortage. It sometime the, the sun’s gotta come out. ’cause I think you could have soil moisture and sunlight to grow stuff, right? Yeah, that’s true. There’s three, there’s a couple components, not just water. Yeah, that’s right. It felt like we’re in a different country lately. Driving around. It’s all misty and raining every day. It’s crazy. Southeast Alaska or somewhere. It feels like

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They say it hasn’t been like this on the Arizona Strip for 20, 30 plus years. If not, you know, in all, all this country. I don’t know. Probably here in Cedar City, Canna. I know we, my in-laws Jeff and i’s in-laws actually down there in Nevada, in Mopa Valley. Got flooded out and, you know,

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Heavy thunder showers. Some,

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Yeah, I felt bad. Anybody that built in the wash, you washed away.

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Huh? You built in the wrong spot.

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Yeah. Geez. But anyway, today we got a question and answer podcast. Got some awesome questions. We’ve got some not so awesome questions, but we’re gonna cover,

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Jason gets those, that’s why we’re

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Directing those

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To Mr. Carter. That’s

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What we’ve got. Jeff here, round us out a little, little bit. I’ll, I’ll take care. Chris. Chris is gonna answer a couple. He is not sure which ones, but we’re gonna encourage him on to answer a couple of these.

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Right. So anyway, we are, we do wanna thank Under Armour for sponsoring this podcast. We’re just, actually, I’ve been buying some gear and getting ready to go, doing a bear hunt up in Alaska. Gearing up, geared up for that. And then of course, everybody’s getting out, ready to do some scouting, set up some trail cameras. Of course we got some of those coming as well. But anyway, lot coming at you. So we appreciate Under Armour. They got a lot of good products. Go to ua.com. I just type in Ridge Reaper or something like that and pretty soon everything comes up. They do have a hunting section under gender, women hunting, men hunting, whatever kids. Anyway. And plug and play your way. Just awesome gear. Alright, here we go. Let’s get started. Bronson, let’s let you start off with the first question right here. Chris has put these on here

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In no certain order, so we’re gonna, we’re gonna have a little fun with it. But stop, I’ll start with this first one. This one’s from Danny Ryan in an attempt to, to sell my friends on the membership. Many of them have asked how this was different than hunting Fool. A lot of them I guess, were members there, his friends, I explained numerous things. But I think the listeners would love to hear and chat from you guys about what sets Epic apart without spending too much time on that. I’ll, I’ll dummy this down just a little bit. It’s hopefully very well known where we came from. And that is, that is from there. Jason, obviously longer than myself and nearly 20 years there. Mine, you know, eight or nine. And I guess to keep it very simple, when the ownership there was looking to, to sell that, to keep it very simple, we were not able to come to terms.

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I guess that’s the best way to put it. And buy that on terms that we were satisfied with. That’s maybe one of the simplest ways to put it. The writing was on the wall that that was gonna be moved down the road and be sold. And we had a lot of life left. I guess that’s the best way to put it. Had a, we were all in our thirties, had a lot of career left. This is the career that we wanted to be in. We wanted to be in for the long haul. This is our job now. It’s our full-time job. This is it. We’re not spread thin doing something as a hobby here. And so we, we moved on and, and started our own thing. Yeah, epic outdoors name is new. We’re not new in this industry. And I think that’s probably what leads us to separation is the longevity and experience that we have, I believe sets us apart.

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Yeah. So I think, you know, a lot of it is just the fact that I, I don’t necessarily know what they’re doing anymore. Obviously that’s not our business from our perspective here. I can tell you what we do. We live for the place. This is our, this is our last gig, so to speak. This is our final resting place as far as our careers. And we love it here. We answer the phone, we treat, we treat you guys. And the information that we disseminate as if we were gonna use that ourselves. We care about what we say and what we do and, and the consulting that we do and, and the guys that we apply and all of that. So it’s very personal to us, you know, like Adam said, as far as knowledge base and, and years in the industry and what we’ve done. I think that kind of speaks for itself. You do a little bit of research, but just call in and visit. Not, not, we’re not here to convince anybody of anything. We, we’re gonna continue down the road. We’re going down and treating our members as well as we can and, you know, enjoying consulting them as best we can with current information and, and practicing what we preach. Do we do what we, speaking of

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Information on that. And I can say this as, as a guy who was never involved with that business over there. I mean, I was very familiar with it. ’cause of course you’re my brother-in-law. I watched everything go and progress and, and all that over there. And then, and you know, and then kinda watching everything from then till now and then coming into this business. And I watched the way you guys go about this business. And I’m telling you in the magazine, as you’re flipping through those pages of the magazine, you guys study that stuff like, like it wears me. It wears me out. Literally wears you, literally wears me out going through it all. And you know, every odd is, is is written down, calculated by you guys and DoubleCheck by you, Jeff and DoubleCheck by me. And, and you guys are meticulous in everything that you do and the information that you guys grab.

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And, and I, I wish, you know, it would be funny to, if somebody saw a window into the epic outdoors offices, when you guys are going back and forth about this unit and this guy did this. I mean, it’s quite, it’s entertaining at times to sit back and watch you guys banter back and forth and the whole world shuts out and you’re talking about some obscure random coups unit in Arizona or something, you know what I mean? And you guys are truly excited about this stuff. Like, not everybody has that. And you have to have that to make your business what this, this is.

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Yeah. And I maybe to add to that slightly and, and it just maybe to reaffirm what you just said is we own it. We drive the ship. We’re also the one researching, writing and consulting, start to finish everything. And also goes back to that longevity thing. There’s, there’s other avenues to get drawing odds, whether they be in paper format, whether they be on a state website, whether they be digitally somewhere, whatever, or kill statistics or things like that. But when you wanna have five different pieces of information in columns and in paper form, like we put in our magazine, and then you really want to glean it down and, and, and interpret that somehow as to what’s best for your situation. I think we’re, we’re very experienced in how to value points, what you’re trying to get out of them and the data on there. We’ve done it longer than anybody. And maybe we’ll just leave it at that longevity and just something looking the same on paper or on a computer screen and oh, I can get that same information for you here and there, there may be some parts of it that you can, but how you, how you incorporate all that and develop a personal strategy and apply it to a unit X in this state, unit Y and, and species T in this state is what we’re here. It’s what we live to do. It’s all we’re consumed about doing.

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Well, I think too is, is the buck stops here, so to speak. So when we give out information and we, we consult, we also hear back from them when their hunts are over. And so we’re, we take a personal, if somebody’s gonna line us out and say, I use 10 points here. You told me this, this is what I experienced. I have a problem right now. You know, I, you know, I’ve invested a lot of time, money, energy, my wife, my, my family revolve, you know, I mean my whole scheduling was was around, in and around my hunting schedule. Well, we take that, we, we hear those things that falls on our shoulders. And so we take it personal on, you know, on your, your success and, and the way we consult and whatnot. And so I can’t emphasize that enough. It’d be one thing if you can just print something out and then, and then go about your daily routine and not sweat it too much and whatever happens, happens. And hunting is hunting and hunting is hunting and weather is weather. It, it is. But we are, we take it very personal. And so when guys draw, I, we have lists of people we know who drew what we checked back with them. Hey, how’d you do? What did you see? You know? And we’re just very involved. Very involved. Now do we call every single person that drew a tag back? No, we don’t. And I’m not trying to say that, but there’s a lot of things. A lot. But if you need, if you need information,

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You, you know how to go get it. We

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Know how to go get it. And we, and we’re not afraid to ask guys how they did and and whatnot. And so anyway, I think part of it is just living for it. This is how we’ve made our living getting tags is how we make a living. It’s very important to us. And quality tags, quality experiences. If we didn’t, let’s face it, if we didn’t kill anything, would we even be here? And so, yeah, while trophy hunting isn’t everything in the world, you know, nobody’s gonna pay a hundred bucks to listen to guys that don’t kill anything. And so, you know, we’ve gotta do it. We’ve gotta practice what we preach. We have to do it, we have to be in the field. We also have to be the guys writing it. You can’t just pay somebody to write about stuff that they don’t really know about and, and oversee that.

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So it’s tough. And it does have its constraints. You know, you can only have so many clients when you’re dealing with it all. And I know what that guys are thinking. Adam just said it. They’re researching, they’re dealing with the client. They’re doing this, they’re doing this. At some point they’re stretched too thin. We are not gonna be stretched too thin. We don’t need every dime out there. We just want to be a, have a happy little business and make a living hunting and doing our thing and doing what we’re good at. And this is the only thing we know. We’ve done it for 20 plus years. This is all we know. Adam. Do you know anything else? You know, I

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Mean else. No, I mean, what else is there? You know, I was a biologist, but that was way in a former life. You know what I mean? We’ve talked about that several other times and that obviously set me up. But I mean, I was a wildlife biologist ’cause I love to hunt and that’s what got me into that career. So really that’s the programming. That’s where the, the, the brain’s hardwired. We’re hunters first and yeah, we’ve, we, we want to be in the hunting industry and we’ve, you know, started over, if you wanna say that in, in the term epic outdoors. And some people might say, Hmm, who’s that? I haven’t heard of them. Whatever. Well hopefully this sheds a little bit of light on that. And if you don’t, you know, give us a call. We can talk with you more one-on-one about it. But hopefully that that scratch the surface a little bit about that with that sounding like, we’re braggadocios beating our chest better than everybody, da da da da da da. It’s just, we’re simply gonna stick to what, what it is we do and what we and what we feel that we’re best qualified to do. And that’s exactly what we produce.

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I think part of the, the difference too is we’re, we’re strictly western big game. It’s the only thing we care about. We don’t care about the east, we don’t care about New Zealand, Africa, Africa, all of those other things is we’re Western big game Canada, Alaska, Mexico. We don’t now, you know, some guys might look at that as a fault and that’s okay. And I don’t want to do Maine, don’t wanna do New Hampshire, don’t wanna do Vermont. We don’t have any interest in that. We’re gonna stick to what we know. And, and so anyway, that’s the direction, not an official mission statement per se, but that’s the direction. One thing he, he goes on to say, one thing I love is the personalities and the customer service. Love what you guys do. Thanks again. And so anyway there, there’s quite a person, quite a bit of personality that comes out at times. Some of which, some of which gets squashed a little bit when we start talking about democratic versus Republican and whatnot. But we’ll leave it at that. How about that? Okay. We try to,

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We’re moving, we’re

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Trying to be friends with everyone. So anyway, did we cover it? Yeah.

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What’s next? I think we’re covered it. What’s the next one? Next one. Fire away somebody. What does

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Your trail camera slash scouting process entail for lo locating a target buck? How often do you check cameras? Do you spend any time during the day glassing or looking for a buck? Thank you. Love the podcast, Quincy. Yeah, so scouting process definitely involves cameras in large part. Some, there’s some country that that doesn’t necessarily, you know, involve cameras. You know, if it’s really, you know, high country, whatever. If I had a Wyoming region, GIA probably wouldn’t be Cameron up there, but I may in the low country, down low by camera or something like that. And so it just totally depends on the state. There’s a lot of states, we’ll we draw tags in all across the west and at times we did run cameras down there for elk on some of my elk tags in New Mexico and things like that. There’s been a lot of hunts. We don’t run any cameras. Adam, you had that 27 elk tag. Did you run any cameras on that? No,

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It’s in the rut too. I mean, I, I could’ve, I was more, if I was closer, you know, outta state hunts are, are t tough. We, we have done that on occasion as well. But lot of those bulls have move during the rut, just like our elk in Utah do. And if you’re, you’re hunting elk in Utah, the end of August when it opens up, you got a chance to hunt your scouted trail, camera bull. Then by the time three weeks from then that bull could be 10, 20 miles away. Who knows? So it’s also different in this specific case, I guess about a deer. It also is gonna have to do with what season you’re actually gonna be hunting, hunting them. If you’re finding ’em in what, September, August, you know, July, August, September. But your hunt’s not till late October. There’s a question like that coming up here a little bit. Your deer could totally move. There’s deer in Nevada, they’ll move 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 miles to migrate. So really, you really gotta, how much you put into tro cameras is gonna depend on what, when you’re gonna be able to hunt too. What season? Well,

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We’ve hunted Colorado a ton. You hunted 1 28 in Wyoming. We’ve talked about that in the past. I’ve hunted Idaho. I don’t remember running a camera in those states. So, well, it depends

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On the water and a lot of different

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Factors. There’s a hundred different, different factors in the area. Yeah. And migrating and running and, and so anyway, it just totally depends on the season. How am I gonna locate a target buck? I mean, it might be two days prior, on a third season in Colorado where we’re spending all our time, you know, in the early season hunt scouting, I’m gonna, we’re gonna scout behind our house Nevada somewhere within three hour drive, four hour drive, maybe four to four to four and a half at times. But anyway, so yeah, wheel scout at times, just depends. And then of course glass and glass. Glass,

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Glass, yeah, they’re a big, they’re a big part of an area where it’s very air aired. Obviously other, other hunts of ours, there’s, we don’t use tro cameras at all. And, and just because the practicality too much water, you know, deer, elk don’t, don’t come to the same place all the time, you know, because it’s distributed water, too much water, things like that. So, but when you do get something, yeah, I’d say every couple of weeks it’s mainly how long we can stand before we gotta go back and see what’s on the card. That that’s, it’s like how often we check them is like, how long can you put it off before I gotta go see what’s back on there. It’s becomes a little bit of an addiction. Oh. And it helps pass the summer, but you don’t wanna go too often. Sometimes you draw attention, sometimes you’re blowing deer out, getting in and out. So there’s a few things like that you wanna be sensitive to as well.

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I’m always on the checking side. I, you know, some of my cameras, I’m trying to check ’em once a week, some of ’em. But a lot of it is because I’m dealing with so many birds in some of this country, I have 5,000 camera picks of birds flying in. ’cause there’s no water except for this guzzler right there. Right. And so they just fly in, fly in, fly in and you’re just dealing with that. And I have it on a high setting where they’re taking three shot bursts every six seconds. ’cause when that, when, when he comes in once a once a week, you know, I want to get him on all the angles. ’cause they’ll, a lot of times they’re watering for two minutes or less. Like I’ve got ’em on video mode and it’s two minutes, usually two, two to three minutes. Depends on the country if they feel comfortable or whatever.

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But usually where I’m at, the lions are concentrating on water. ’cause that’s where the game is. The the, the coyotes, everything’s water equals game and game equals death and life. And so anyway, they’re just nervous and even at night. And so anyway, but I’m checking ’em off and re re you know, making sure they didn’t get bumped by a cow or something like that, you know, and got a new cow knocking stuff down. And so I look at it like anything, the more you put into it, the more you’re gonna get out of it. So yeah. You can check them. You too, too often there is that component. And then there’s the component of, you know, if I don’t check ’em often enough, I’ve just, my camera was upside down for two weeks

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Out. Cow rubbed on it or something like that. Well dude, you had sheep.

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We’ve gone up to those old sheep. ’cause there’s a,

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Ours was always

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Set, right?

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Well they, they get and

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The other guys wasn’t.

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Yeah, the headbutt, they get cranking heads or fighting around the waters and stuff like that. And your camera’s face down in the dirt. ’cause there’s not trees to lag bolt them into in places like that. Yeah. So you, you bear hug them to rocks and, and, and you know, put ’em in little cubbies the best you can, but it’s not a perfect world. The long, you know, there’s a risk, there’s a risk for leaving something too long and all of a sudden you just lost a month and because after five days something got plow plowed to the dirt.

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That’s right. And then off. And then the more you check ’em too, you know, like let’s say you left ’em out for three weeks and didn’t check it and it got ripped off on week two and a half. Yeah. You lost everything, all those pictures. You know what I mean? So if you check ’em often you’re grabbing that data. It’s not the cam the data’s worth more than the camera. Yeah. You know, and so you grab that data and you clean it and you clean it and you clean it and then it gets ripped off on, you know, well, you lost a week’s worth of data. You

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Knew there was one buck there and you better put a camera back there and a camera

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Machine another camera to check him. That’s right. When you, that when when he gets caught, you’re loading him on social media. That’s right. This guy’s gonna deal with some things, you know, so

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There’s, there’s a lot of critters that like, I mean, bears love to mess with cameras. No, they do. They mess with stuff. Elk love

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To mess with. Cameras, cattle, cattle, wild horses. I mean it’s just, it depends on where you’re at. Sometimes you’re dealing on a private priest of property, you can go back whenever you feel like it. Yeah. You know, you don’t have the issues. But public land, you got a lot of issues. You got people, you got cattle, you got wild horses. A a lot of things that can go wrong. You know, wind sometimes you get, you know, find out you got too much grass and it’s just taking pictures of blowing grass out there. Filling up your card in in six days. Oh

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That’s just had one. I remember I carried him by hand. I put up that camera and a cow elk came in and just licked it and licked it and licked all.

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I’ve had sheep do that too. And all the pitchers for the whole thing are blurred fucked.

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Yeah. You get saliva

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And then the camera gets knocked out of position and Yep.

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So, so

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Do you spend time during the day glassing? Absolutely. We glass, you know, it, it, but everything, it all depends. Some of, some of this country’s so flat and thick, thick trees and stuff, you know, a lot of times it’s just a matter of how many cameras you can service that day versus glassing. There’s a lot of other stuff we’re glassing a ton. And of course using phone scope, you know, with chest and Davis and the phone scope and trying to get ’em on camera, our phones. But camera versus trail cam picks. ’cause what I’ve learned, and I don’t know, I know you guys feel the same way when you feel like you’ve got a pretty good deer on camera, you need to freaking look at him because what they looks like 195 inch here on the camera might be 215. Yes. I mean it’s unbelievable the difference. Yeah. And so do you get a

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Typical, I mean, you don’t know how big that typical is unless you see ’em on the phone

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And I’ve this the hard way. I’ve got a camera. Well the silver state, the silver buckle winner for the typical in Nevada last year. I mean, I never even hunted the deer. Had him for three or four years, didn’t realize he nets freaking 194 and change or whatever nets on a drought year. We got him on good years and we didn’t even look at him. But anyway, lessons learned. We learn lessons every year. It’s getting a little old. But what else do we got here? Love the podcast. How often you check the can We did all that. Yeah, all that. I think we covered it well. We’re glassing I think part of this, I think part of the equation, and we’ll talk about covering the numbers later, but sometimes you do about everything you can do you glass, you’re gonna see a certain number of deer.

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Maybe they’re watered on streams and you’re not being able to get ’em on trail cameras. But the more you can cover, the better the they, they allow baiting here in Utah, okay, so people can bait with apples and different things. We don’t necessarily do that. Part of the reason I I I am I wanna hunt some of the biggest animals in the unit. What’s the chances my little bait pile is gonna have the biggest buck in the unit versus out glassing. So we’ll run cameras on the water sources and whatnot and spread the cameras out. But then we’re glassing heavy because we wanna hunt the best buck. What’s, I just don’t feel like I’ve got that good. A chance of having one of the best bucks. However, some of the best bucks in Utah killed every year on apples. Absolutely. They’re so, you know, I’m not gonna say they don’t work. They they’ve, it’s cocaine to ’em. It works.

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Yeah. And baiting is something that you, I mean you really gotta watch. Okay, in Utah it’s legal

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Nevada states.

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I mean you have to be, make sure before you even think about doing anything like that, you check with your local, with your state’s regs. Oh yeah. Make sure, make sure it’s legal before you do any baiting or anything like that. It it, you know, that’s a big deal.

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Say it’s legal in Oregon, it’s a little bit surprising. But not in Colorado. Not in Arizona. Let’s

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Move on to this next question too. It’s kind has to do with scouting. The question says, had a lot of deer found scouting and attempt to target. I catch ’em on camera, found them on the summer range. And I’ve struggled to find them. When the hunts roll around, I’d like to know what tricks you guys have that help but keep track of ’em and know where they disappear to. I’ve set cameras in area they think they’re going to but haven’t had any luck. How do you find the, what food they’re eating at a certain time of year? Others versus others? I, I guess the biggest thing you have to identify, you know, and I don’t know from this question, you find them, I don’t know how long a period of time we’re talking about from the scouting finding to the actual, when the hunt rolls around, if you’re at the end of October, you might not have no chance. ’cause maybe the deer in that area moves start drifting somewhere. And it doesn’t always need to be snow related. It’s just that’s

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Why you’re not finding ’em. It’s

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Not there. Timing. Yeah. But if in general, like, I mean you look at some units, like you look at the Henry’s compared to the Ponson by the rifle hunt. The ponson is a completely different unit by the Henry’s. The only thing that really changes is the bucks are dead from the archery and the muzzle loader hunt. There’s smoke, but the one, but the ones

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You might not, you might not be able to find him because he’s in some his

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Basement. That’s right. Right. But, but over the experience there, they’re very, you know, they’re muled there. They stay within that mile or two area. And if they’re, unless they’re just totally blown out. But usually they’ll come, they come back generally. So usually in a situation like that, they’re there. If you’re in a unit that deer are triggered, you know, you know, and you can, every state’s a little bit different. Some deer trigger and move. They start moving and drifting different for different reasons. That’s the first thing you gotta nail down. Otherwise just don’t give up. If you find a big deer, hunting was close, switch your weapon preference if you have to, to hunt him, is close to the period of time that you always can find him. If you’re not an archer and you always find these during the summer, maybe you ought to start picking up a bow. Because I mean, we do that hundred percent. We, we, we hunt with whatever weapon we can get attacked to kill the bucks. We can have control killing. We’ve talked about, oftentimes we go to Colorado later in the year because we’re busy in Utah or Nevada or other, other states earlier. And Colorado’s the one we get another deer hunt in, but we go late ’cause we don’t rely on scouting. And we can do that. But when you, if you find a deer early,

00:24:08:25 –> 00:24:09:04

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’em early, hunt ’em with whatever weapon. If you’re not a bow hunter, this stuff’s pretty forgiving this day and age. Pick it up or muzzle it or whatever you can to hunt ’em closer to the period of time you find ’em.

00:24:18:01 –> 00:24:30:07
A hundred percent. And I think that is great advice. A hundred percent. You know, we have our favorites too, but we hunt with all weapons because you never know when you need to pick up a boat or a muzzle or a rifle or open site. We’re taking

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A scope bus. Yeah. Nevada, we’ve got Nevada muzzles, we’ve got Idaho, Oregon, muzzle loaders, you know, that we pick up when we do their, they’re more tradit, open ignition, you know, with restrictions, whatever, you know. And so just adapt and, and in that situation, maybe it’s a unique situation. You can’t hunt a merley for any, I, I don’t know. But that’s, or you

00:24:48:10 –> 00:25:34:20
Don’t wanna, well, I’m gonna, I’m gonna hunt elk in September. Okay. You’re giving up the, the potential of killing that deer. You just are. Oh, you, or you go October 5th in Nevada. Go as close to the summertime as you can before they totally move, change, whatever. That’s right. Same thing with finding sheds. We find if we’re finding a big set of deer sheds, I want to hunt as late as possible. If I’m gonna hunt that deer where those sheds were found or tho that elk where those sheds were found. Guys are finding sheds here in Utah late season. And they’re coming from different units and wintering in a different unit. Yeah. So, so we’re just, you gotta, once we’ve learned that and some of these late season elk hunts in Nevada, late in Arizona, late in Utah, they actually, these shed hunters, I mean, and people say it’s a waste of time to shed hunt this. No, no. Not, not really. You’re

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Learning stuff. You’re

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Learning stuff and, and you’re being able to kill stuff. We killed Joshua because of a set of sheds.

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Yeah. All the time. Late season bulls in Utah oftentimes pick a set of sheds, get picked up somewhere next year that’s a target. And bull’s. Bull’s

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Dead. That bull’s dead and doesn’t know,

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Doesn’t, hasn’t even grown a set of antlers for the next year. And he’s dead. But, and I

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Think the other thing is don’t get burnout at the wrong time. You know, it’s so easy. You can go over to Colorado on that third season hunt and you can crush it and you only got five days and you show up there opening day. You might’ve made a mistake. You might’ve been better off hunting the last five days.

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Oh, a hundred percent.

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Instead of the first five days.

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What happens all the time? That time. And Adam and I and Jeff, you use, we, we talked to a lot of guys that do that and they go right off the bat. And the time we’ve rolled, I’ve even rolled in Adam, we rolled

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Into last year. Last year, Tuesday, Wednesday midweek. I don’t remember when it was.

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And we had guys that are ready to go home.

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I mean, by the time we even got there, you’re just showing up.

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We’re just getting started. Rolling up our shirt sleeves. There we go boys. And he’s like, they’re like, it sucked. Well yeah, it has sucked because it gets better the later you go. And so anyway, there’s just some things and you gotta be real with yourself. Yeah. There’s, we all wanna say especially Yeah, I’m good at hunting the whole season on, my wife’s good with it. I’m good with it. I’m gonna charge through it. And day five, we’re all going. That

00:26:48:23 –> 00:26:49:19
Works until your kid falls

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Off horse. It’s nice to be home for, for something.

00:26:52:28 –> 00:26:53:05

00:26:53:05 –> 00:26:59:00
Tired of being a single parent. You better get your butt home. And you, pretty soon you’re like, yeah, I’m tired of being out here. I’m, I’m

00:27:00:11 –> 00:27:02:17
I’ll come home if you cook me dinner. All right, I’ll see you tomorrow. Now

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I’m sitting in Alaska and I get this text on my inReach and it’s, oh yeah, Jason’s at my house. ’cause my daughter fell off the bar stool or fell off the

00:27:10:17 –> 00:27:21:11
Counter. I forgot about that. Yeah, it just went, stuff happens. Knocked her out for a minute and yeah. Anyway, yeah, driving 105 down to your house. I mean it was just, that was scary actually. It

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Was scary being up there. Yeah. I just barely killed my caribou. And I’m like, what the,

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Anyway, but yeah, so yeah. Keep track of ’em. Yeah, keep keep track of ’em. I mean you’re gonna have to glass your guts out. But again, I think what, you guys touched on something, I can’t remember which one of you said it. There’s guys scouting right now. Okay, that’s fine. Go up, set up cameras. ’cause maybe you’re running a lot of them and you need to basically get ’em set up and whatnot. But what are you gonna tell? You’re gonna see a multiple eye guard and four inches of shank. I’ve seen bucks already. Yeah. I’ve, I’ve got a buck out to his ears right now. So I guess I’m that guy. Right? I’m that guy scouting right now, but I’m not really scouting right now. But I’m just saying, what I’m saying is, is you can get burned out. We know guys that start right now and by July one they are freaking done. Their wife’s done, their kids are done and they’re done. They’re tired. You know what I mean? And, and so just be careful. We’re bridling ourselves. We’re, we’re counseling each

00:28:13:17 –> 00:28:15:28
Other, Adam. We do, we settle Adam govern all the time.

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I haven’t It

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Snowed. Oh yeah.

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In on the Nevada desert

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Country. What are thinking. That’s right. I’m not going down there. I’m not gonna do it.

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But you want to.

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Yeah, you want to because we’ll have ca the calendar’s trying to tell you you should be out somewhere so we’re gonna, well,

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An Instagram’s saying you should be because everybody else is. That’s right. Or at least the appearance of doing it. Then you find out they’re posting pictures from 14 years ago. Alright, so you don’t wanna be behind. Right. You wanna be, I mean, charging forward, but chill pace yourself. Just chill. That’s right. Chill. If you pay, you’ve paced yourself. You’re gonna win the race. It’s just the way it is. And you’ll be able to last the whole season. They were also

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Talking about not finding a buck that you scouted. And I would say if you’re hunting close to the time you scouted, the buck’s probably still there. It is.

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Don’t, don’t assume he’s

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Not, don’t give up. Be persistent. One of the, one of the things that I always go back on is I remember we were hunting out in Nevada one time with Jason and he had a, a specific buck that he had found and had seen multiple times. And we got there in the season and the buck was nowhere to be found. Nowhere to be found. Nowhere to be found. We sat there in the same one mile area for seven days and finally the buck shows up and it was right where we were glassing the entire time. Yeah, yeah. We just, we moved a little bit and kept just moving around getting different angles. But it took seven days in the same spot to find that

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Buck. Yeah. I’ve had hunters after six, they say I’m done. But we’re talking 230 inch type deer. Deer of most people’s lifetimes. All right. And you don’t, every hunter’s a little bit different. Every client’s different. Some people, that’s the metal grind to stick to something like that is way harder than anything else that you’re gonna go through. So if it’s a deer or an elk worth something, stick it out. It doesn’t mean it’s always gonna pan out. But if it’s the biggest something you know about in the unit and you know there’s a good chance it’s not been killed, there’s always a potential of that. I mean, let’s face it, if you’re out in public land, but if you’re one of the first seasons of the year and it’s just going tough, he’s there somewhere. Just gotta assume that until you have proof otherwise.

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And there’s a few outfitters out there that let you hunt a ghost. You know, Hey, we’re gonna smoke this buck. We know Jason’s after, we’re not gonna say anything. And he’s gonna say here for another 11 days. How about that? You know, I mean that happens. But, but generally speaking, that deer’s alive, he’s happy. He’s just not where you’re looking. Or he’s bettered at daylight. Then there’s a lot of, a lot of times, Chris, we’ve gone in Adam, we’ve gone in, you see every buck on truck camera, but the buck you’re looking for day after day, every buck after day. And then, and then he’s coming in at night, you get him on camera again. You’re like, I just wish he wouldn’t show up. ’cause if he wouldn’t show up, I’d give up and I’d probably go kill something. You know what I mean? You, the other thing I think you touched on Adam, is, is maybe it’s the biggest buck, you know, about in the unit 230 for example or whatever. It’s the biggest buck. What are the chances you’re gonna find a bigger buck? That’s right. You’ve scouted all summer.

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That’s, that was the, I guess we’ll call it argument. We had the hunter is like, you we’re not seeing deer. And I’m like, we’re hunting a deer. We’re not hunting deer.

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00:31:16:29 –> 00:31:46:02
We’re hunting. You’re hunting a very special animal when you have something like that. We’re not, I don’t, my job’s not to show you a bunch of deer dos, fs buck for all I con we’re hunting a giant deer. A giant deer. That’s, that’s what the unit’s capable of. And in the end he, you know, decided, no, I’m done. And, and walked away and, and but mid hunt, three days left of the hunt, decided I’m not, I’m not, I’m not sitting on that knob or series of knobs that we’re moving around to for another day. Like you guys alluded, but in

00:31:46:02 –> 00:31:54:28
Your def in your defense, you’ve got a lot of hunters that prepped you and you pro and you prepped him before, Hey, this is how this is gonna go down. And they’re all about it. When you’re, when you’re sitting

00:31:55:02 –> 00:31:55:28
In the office, when you get in the middle of it,

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It gets Yeah. When you’re sitting in the office, got big old puffy armchair and a little coke on the desk, oh yeah, I can do anything

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A hundred giant, let’s just do it

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Hundred for seven days. You know, and then when you’re in the field he’s like, I’d like to see a buck and you know, 175 inch three by four with four eye guards would be awesome right now. You know, or whatever. So

00:32:13:25 –> 00:32:15:01
There’s a lot of truth to that.

00:32:15:28 –> 00:32:51:16
Anyway, that’s the Yeah, it, it is. And so you’ve gotta, you gotta stick to the program, stick to the plan and be real with yourself. What, what are you really capable of? You capable of sending it out for seven days or you not prep your outfitter or yourself or your friends or whatever and do what you’re truly capable of. If you, if you’re not capable of it, it’s no big deal. You gotta move, move, move, move. And you’ll end up killing one. But some guys like you, Adam and in that particular case are are, you know, thinking this is the way it’s gonna go down. And three days into it you’re trying to change plans. So where are we at? What question, Jeffrey? Oh,

00:32:51:27 –> 00:33:55:08
We down to the, how about this one? This may be more for us and and magazine content and that will we publish or, or license app guys says, how do you manage applying so many people without affecting draws in particular units? And you know, one thing, and it goes back to a little bit of how we talked about in, in introductory wise, when it comes to our license application guys, we’ve done this a long, long time. So we have a long series of questions with each individual trying to really define what their satisfaction, what they’re gonna be happy with. You know, trophy size, weapon, weapon. Whether they’re guided, self-guided physical limitations or not. There’s a broad series of questions there that really diversify the applications a whole lot more than you think. There are people obviously that just say, I’m busy this year, best unit only. And yeah, they’re gonna get put in for the elite stuff. The elite stuff’s always terrible drawing odds anyway. It doesn’t matter if we apply our guys there or not one guy, any of our guys, there’re not, they’re gonna be terrible odds.

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There’s those strips. The, there’s Arizona strips.

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It doesn’t matter if we apply one person there in our license app or tell one person to apply there this year, it’s gonna have terrible odds. It doesn’t matter. There’s places like that. It’s the maybe the mid, the mid-tier stuff that, that Yeah. Stuff can go come, come on, come something could get hot, something could cool off. But we really pride ourselves in Jason and I picking unit specifically for every one of our license app guys. We, we do that. We’ve been, we pr we love to do it. Jason used the term plug and play. I don’t know where it came from, but we love to individualize and spread people out. We love that. You know, in states, some states you can really do that. When you start talking about California for deer, how far can you spread guys out and quality deer hunting.

00:34:38:20 –> 00:34:42:26
I totally get that. And so I agree with you. What we’re trying to do, we love, we

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Wanna get guys drawn.

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We, we draw the majority of the sheep tags in Idaho. We want to get guys

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And again, the second year in a row we’ve drawn the majority of the tax in Idaho. Yes. Why do we do, how do we do that? Well, if we apply to everybody for the same unit, we’d draw one. Yeah. You know what I mean? But we want everybody and people are capable. There’s got one guy’s super physical loves that needs 160 inch ram. You know, the next guy wants the number one ram in the state. No matter what we’re gonna do, the best we can for him might not be unit 11. Idaho

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Self-guided guys might be non 37.

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It might be something, you know. And so we’re with the knowledge that we get, and again we’re we, we feel like we’re on the very cutting edge of, of units and the quality to expect and whatnot. And and we’re creative. We’re

00:35:24:12 –> 00:35:49:06
Creative and sometimes even apply people based on expectations. Meaning we think this unit’s about to happen. Yeah. I mean I, I don’t know, case in point, I mean last year you drew a desert sheep tag in the unit that we, there was no long track record on in Arizona. No, there wasn’t. But it was a But we felt, we felt this thing’s got some, it’s a newer unit. It’s had a one tag forever and

00:35:49:27 –> 00:35:52:05
Five and six year olds going one 70. Yeah.

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There’s got some blood pumping in that unit. There’s some good genetics. So stuff like that and translating that to deer and elk, everybody has such broad differences. There is a big category that just says I want 180 to 200 inch deer and that’s all I’m happy with. Okay. But then there’s layers within there, the self-guided that guided the physical, the non-physical. I wanna see high numbers of deer or I can hunt low numbers of deer as long as there’s a couple of old bucks there. There’s a lot of different layers. So really pride ourselves on, we liked our job is not just to get the manual application, get ’em done and in forget about it. They’re hiring us to get ’em drawn for tax.

00:36:29:23 –> 00:36:30:22
It’d be easier if we did that.

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Just plug them in.

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It would be easier. But, but our job yes. Is to get guys tags. The second part of our job is to get guys tags they want. They

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Want. That’s right.

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If we get ’em tags, they don’t want, we are losing clientele. It’s better to not draw ’em than

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Get ’em as if

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We get ’em a tag they don’t want. That’s right. You know, I think part of this too is we’ve, and it talks about the longevity. We’re talking 20 plus years in the industry. We’re confident in in areas we weren’t confident in 20 years ago, 10 years ago. Like Idaho, 42 40. All of these places that we go, whether, you know, Adams in, in Wyoming and some of these places we’re gonna be heading into Wyoming and Colorado and all these places. We feel comfort when we’re applying guys. It’s ’cause we kind of have seen it ourselves. Yeah. In large part. Well

00:37:16:12 –> 00:37:17:26
I think the other thing that you, that

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We have, you get a, you get a well, and just one more piece of this. You get a guy, there’s license app consultants that are from New York or whatever. Does he, is he gonna have the confidence of playing, it’s really safe to do 44 in Colorado for deer. How can you argue that’s not the best? Right. But sometimes we’re doing, we do, you know, something that we’re privy to information, we’re privy to ’cause we live it and we’ve seen it ourselves. And so that plays into the units we’re choosing for our hunters

00:37:45:24 –> 00:37:48:04
A lot more firsthand perspective. That’s another,

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And the other thing is, is I think, and it ties back into a lot of other things, but for our license, I can’t imagine somebody having a license application service that doesn’t also do the unit research that we do. Right. So you think about how many units, I mean you guys are learning about the units for the research, for the magazine. Well, when we go to start applying guys

00:38:09:14 –> 00:38:16:17
Research being applied, like we even have to applied. We don’t, we just off the top of our head, we pick stuff. We don’t, we don’t have to say, Hmm, what do we, what do we do for this guy?

00:38:17:06 –> 00:38:29:10
They subscribe to Epic Outdoors. Yeah. Those other, we can’t put everything on paper of how we truly feel. It’s a, it’s a great research tool, but guys that are calling in are getting how we really feel. Right. You know, guys listen to a podcast are getting

00:38:29:10 –> 00:38:29:23
How we really feel

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Trends. Yep. Yeah. If you don’t live it for yourself, it’s just different. And so,

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And is it worth burning these two extra points on this hunt or is it worth doing, you know, so many different little

00:38:38:03 –> 00:39:09:01
Things. Lake co, early coer, there’s just a ton of Yeah. Ton of variables and, and, and so anyway, which goes into the entire application strategy. Not just units, the entire strategy. Why am I building points here? Well, I don’t know. Maybe you want to take your daughter someday and you can, she, you can point boosto her, you know what I mean? You guys can ply together and, and you’ll be able to get her a tag right off the bat. I don’t know. I get it. Wyoming’s not the best for dear right now, but there’s a hundred other reasons including maybe the fact there’ll be something that comes up anyway. Okay. There is a, let’s move on.

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There is one comment in there that somebody said something about a hundred numbers down and I don’t know if maybe they’re pulling that from a previous, previous podcast. I’m not a hundred percent sure. But, but I think the biggest concern that we have a lot of times is, is tag numbers are down. There’s a lot of people who are generationally

00:39:26:14 –> 00:39:26:20
Quitting hunting,

00:39:26:23 –> 00:39:28:05
No longer hunting. Yeah. Because

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Of issues collectively issues like this. Yeah. If you look at Utah historically 200 something thousand tags, Colorado, whatever, a hundred, couple hundred thousand hunter numbers are down. And I know percentage wise

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To the population.

00:39:39:17 –> 00:40:32:10
Yeah, that’s right. They’re, and a lot of states are talking about it. Jason, we have some of these state fish and game directors, assistant directors and things like that on with us. And a big deal that they’re looking at is recruitment. Recruitment and retention of hunters. Because yeah, you might have people in their thirties to seventies, but they’re not got the people to replace them. And, and there’s a, you know, there’s a, there’s a attrition that goes through the hunting rank, so to speak. And, and like you said, when you talked bit the bullet 19 92, 3, whenever it was, went to draw 97,000 tags, whatever, A lot, there’s people that still haven’t hunted since that day for deer in Utah. And yeah, you just have to maybe label them as a little bit more of the casual, but hunter numbers as a collective hole are down individually places you go to hunt general season in Idaho or Colorado for elk. And you’re like, what do you mean hunter numbers are down. You can take isolated places like that and say, oh there’s more hunters now than there’s ever been on the planet earth. Yeah.

00:40:32:10 –> 00:40:37:17
Just compare it to the population growth and you’ll find that the percentage of people hunting is less than it’s

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Ever been. That’s probably what we’ve made the comment that that’s what in regards to is that, and I

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Don’t even remember when we made it. I don’t either necessarily, but, but having said that, yeah, I, I agree. Yeah. Trailhead are gonna be full of, full of vehicles. It

00:40:48:29 –> 00:41:01:11
Also feels like it’s, it is harder to get tags now. And with that you’ve got kids, it, it’s expensive. It’s harder to take your kids out hunting when it’s hard to get tags. So I feel like the youth recruitment is a little bit less too. Well,

00:41:01:11 –> 00:41:09:10
And it’s complicated. These, these states think that they have an easy system. How, how do you feel about Arizona’s application system? I mean they,

00:41:09:26 –> 00:41:46:16
We love Arizona hunting in Arizona, applying, there is probably the most unfriendly system that there is. It doesn’t, the, their system doesn’t recognize many times your hunting license that you have on file or it imports one, an old one that is old and gonna expire before the application deadline doesn’t warn you of that like it did prior years. But their new system doesn’t warn you of that. You’ve gotta go buy your hunting license at a separate spot and then go back, save the number, then come back and apply for your draws. And doesn’t, it doesn’t smart, not smart enough to know your hunting license number. So you gotta plug it in there

00:41:47:25 –> 00:41:48:20
And even though you

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Number, then you gotta check out you, you know, you updated your address when you bought your license, but now you go and apply, you gotta update your address again. ’cause those systems, the license purchase and the drop aren’t talking don’t talk. And then you gotta enter your social security number on every species. You’ve gotta check out, check out the, with every, you know, every species and check out. So it, it’s a lot easier for people to just say, I’m, I’m done with that. It’s a pain in the butt. So take note, some of these states have really gotten good. They, they, they make it a point to try to improve, make it easy, streamlined all that. But the more complicated it is in this,

00:42:24:11 –> 00:42:38:00
How about if you forget your password in Colorado, you know what I mean? Yeah. I mean it, and you can reset it using an email you used 14 years ago. And so, and it is so complicated and I think, you know, back in the day you got this little piece of paper, you filled it out and

00:42:38:00 –> 00:42:41:11
Send it. No, it’s a spreadsheet used to go look epic proportions for us and our families.

00:42:41:11 –> 00:42:44:13
We used to go look at draw results by driving down to the game and fishing. Look on the window. Yeah.

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Printed bubble jet remember jet bubble jet printer. Yes. And, and it, and you know, so anyway, things have changed so much and it is so difficult. The states think it’s easy because they deal with it. This is their job. They deal with it well. It’s not easy. The sky’s going once a year and, and, and applying. And by, by the way, there’s three application periods and there’s two booklets to look at. And there’s this booklet that is good for two years except for there is an updated second edition. Yeah. And you should probably look at that one because we had an emergency closure and now it’s changed all the hunt codes, Idaho.

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00:43:15:04 –> 00:43:32:29
Just, I mean, you know what I mean? And it’s just, so anyway, you think you made it easy. You didn’t and, and, but I will tell you this, there are states and they’re running, they’re running them like businesses more a there are in a lot of states that do treat us like clients, they, they care because it’s making sure they

00:43:32:29 –> 00:43:33:06
Have money.

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It’s their liability money for vehicles

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They have running their agency. That’s

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Right. Okay. And number two, they’re doing queries to figure out how many new youth licenses they’ve sold, how many new youth applicants we have. The percentage wise, what kind of growth is that. They’re treating it like a business where it used to be like game and fish was against hunters.

00:43:51:09 –> 00:44:34:01
Well, and one, one perception that might make it seem like there’s so many hunters out there is all this, we just got done talking about by the time you go through all what we’re talking about and get tags in a certain state, you’re a pretty vetted hunter. You’ve got, you’re vested, you’ve gone through the steps, jumped through hoops, and you’ve got something, it feels like hunters anymore. There’s a lot less, I would say casual hunters. And so maybe that’s to address this guy’s issue is anymore the guys that are sticking with it and the guys that are applying, they’re putting a lot more into it. They got their gear, they got their truck, they got their optics, they got time side by side time, they’re dedicating it there and it’s, it’s like not the weekend warrior for a day and a half and I’m home and I’m done. And you got the mountain to yourself. Well

00:44:34:01 –> 00:44:44:02
You’re losing with the, with the loss of general tags, so to speak. Let’s call ’em over the counter tags. Yeah. With the scarcity of over the counter tags and we’re gonna see ’em all go away. People

00:44:44:03 –> 00:44:44:22
Are vesting

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Then, then you’re losing general season hunters. You got the serious guys that you’re talking about. But with the general season tags going away, you’re gonna ha you’re gonna, you are gonna lose some of that, whatever. I don’t know where that really, you know, what, what that matters per se to your personal hunting for 2019. The general feel is, is that, I don’t know how, I don’t know how best to explain it. Wolves in Colorado, I feel like I, I, I think about this and that’s all he says. Wolves in Colorado, well absolutely do not bring wolves into Colorado. However,

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Their state’s demographics in the last 10 years coming, they’re coming. I would be scared to

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Death. But this is, this is the way I look at it. This is the way, it’s like kids in social media or kids in cell phones, wait as long as you can to let ’em have social media or cell phone. There you go. You know what I mean? Wait, as long as you can fight ’em, as hard as you can fight ’em to keep the, the main, you know, numbers of wolves out. There’s, there’s been, you know, wolves track down through Colorado, come outta Wyoming and you, and you’re gonna Yeah. Wolves in Colorado, mark. Yeah. You’ve had a few It’s perfect habitat, but do not, yeah. There’s games. They’re ill, they’re gonna eat, they’re gonna be fat and happy. Yeah. But don’t, don’t let ’em in sportsman.

00:45:54:22 –> 00:46:04:12
Do United do everything you can. Do everything you can in Colorado. Yeah. And or, or the next state We’re not talking about right now that they’re not really entrenched. You know, the Utah’s, the other neighboring states.

00:46:04:23 –> 00:47:01:13
Fight ’em tooth and nail if you care. Fight ’em tooth and nail. It’s just the way it is. They wolves eat and they eat a lot and they like to kill and they kill a lot. All right. Jason, what infatuated you with mule deer and Adam, what is it that infatuated with you with sheep, mule deer? I don’t know necessarily what it was other than, you know, when you’d see a picture of those giants, every one of ’em were different. And a 240 inch here from way back seemed to be 45 inches wide, 14 eye guards and five masks. I mean, there was just something about it that just, man, your jaw dropped. And, and so, and I guess part of it was these old timers telling me, you ain’t gonna kill a buck like that. This is the nineties. This is the two thousands. Those days are gone. They don’t make, those days are gone. The old days are gone. And I’m like, somewhere there’s dear Ddy of old age and the dear dine of old age, if they have the right genetics, they’re gonna look like that buck from way back. And, and so I guess I’m more of a

00:47:01:13 –> 00:47:03:00
Challenge came, came a crusade almost. Yeah.

00:47:03:00 –> 00:48:14:08
Yeah. It just was a challenge. And ended up knocking a couple down after years and years. One the first 200 inches, I said, this year, come heck or high water, I’m freaking killing a 200. And, and, and I had no money. It’s broken and broke. But I did have time and, and I spent way more time than I probably should have, but I spent a ton of time and made it happen and killed a 2 0 3, barely got over that 200 number you got and then got, and then I went five years, you know, before doing it, doing it again. And I, and I just, you do realize how hard it is. And I, but I think it was the challenge and of, of, and and, and putting your hands on something special, just putting your hands on it. Like it’s so addicting, that feeling. And it, and, and I guess that’s kind of, kind of what drives me, you know, a little bit. It’s, of course we eat ’em, you know, but a package of meat doesn’t do it for me. I’m not gonna go spend 14, you know, months out in the field on a specific deer following for three years to get a package of meat. But it’s just putting your hands on something special. And, and then, and then the time, the more time you spend, the more you respect them and the more you love ’em, so to speak.

00:48:14:21 –> 00:48:15:12
And the more just so

00:48:15:19 –> 00:48:16:04
Re so much

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Respect, the more you learn how to hunt ’em, because you’re a way different mule deer hunter now, seasons, call it whatever. Yeah. But refined than you were 20 years ago when you really were starting or, you know, 25, whatever that was. So tell

00:48:29:16 –> 00:48:35:01
Us about sheep a little bit. I you, you’ve, you’ve done it all. Yeah. There, there’s nothing you haven’t done sheep wise, but

00:48:35:13 –> 00:49:21:22
A couple things probably. I think growing up in Southern Utah, you know, and having a lot of Red Rock desert country with desert sheep. My dad took me down there. It was just kind of where we went in the wintertime, you gotta get outta the mountain, you know, get down to the desert and we’d see sheep and things like that. And then as I, as I started down a career path of wildlife biology, I, I, this is probably where it started as well, I, I landed a graduate research project at Utah State University studying wildlife watering sources and desert bay horn sheep in the Grand Staircase, Escalante National Monument. That was when you get accepted to grad school to get a master’s degree, you know, a major professor, you know, picture, you get you on board. But it, I could have gotten assigned a coyote project.

00:49:21:26 –> 00:50:06:24
I could have got a coyote project or a mountain lion study, and you take what’s there, where the funding is at the time. Mine happened to be that, and that, that couple years that I really immersed myself on the compare with Plateau, really, I think set that hook got me in, you know, really interested in, I was also a little bit older, you know, young to mid twenties at the time, so it wasn’t just a, you know, 12 or 14 year old kid down with my dad, oh, there’s some sheep and then you’re onto the next thing playing football with your friends or whatever. It was a period of life. I’m picking a, picking a career. And then just, just the stars aligned again. As I finished my graduate project at Utah State, the biologist that was over that area, Canan Garfield Counties retired. And I applied for the job and I got it.

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And so I was then the biologist over there area. I did all my grad graduate study work, and it started from there. And what really, you know, sheer those things, let’s face it, you, you, you wanna hunt ’em, but how do you, how do you force yourself to hunt desert sheep? There’s not a way to do it. You can’t, unless you got a lot of money, there’s no way to force yourself to hunt it. Yeah, you, I’ve, I’d been applying at the time, just like I did in Arizona, Nevada was the first three that I started applying for, but you can’t force it. You can’t force rock hunting rocky mountain sheep. So I was like, all right. After I left the state, you know, I couldn’t guide or do anything, you know, I could go on any hunts with family or things like that, but I just said, you know, I wanna hunt sheep.

00:50:47:02 –> 00:51:50:10
I wanna do it. And, and I don’t wanna wait for my one or two draw tags in my life. I wanna hunt ’em. So I got license as a guy, an outfitter, and you know, I guess 2006 and oh seven and haven’t looked back since. And it’s grown into a, a fun, I guess you call it a side business. It’s still all intertwined with Epic Outdoors. It’s hunting, but it, that’s a big part of my, my life and, and my brother and my dad and ands Wayne and some of the other guides. We love to guide sheet punts because of the animal, but also where you get to go hunt ’em. Every sheep punt can be a little bit different. Like you’ve said, Jason, we’ve hunted them, you know, and Canada and Alaska now, and you know, Oregon and where else, I mean, oh, Utah, Nevada, Arizona. I’ve been in Wyoming all over the place. Wyoming. So it’s just that you just can’t, you can’t force yourself to hunt ’em. We can go hunt mule deer two to three places a year if we want. And that’s my, that’s a great passion too. And it goes back to big mul deer, the hardest thing to, to kill. And, and it, and it is that crusade, but for sheep, it’s just doing something that’s kind of intangible. And the only way I’m gonna do it is to take hunters.

00:51:50:11 –> 00:52:06:16
Well, and I think part of it too though, is you’ve been so vested in ’em and, and, and being the biologist and transplants and all of these things that you, again, you, you learn to love ’em and, and learn. The more you learn about ’em, the more you can’t get enough. It’s not like, okay, I’ve been there, done that. Quit. Are you gonna ever quit hunting sheep? No.

00:52:07:02 –> 00:52:07:08

00:52:07:08 –> 00:52:35:07
I gonna ever quit hunting Mulder? No, not gonna, but again, we’re infatuated with those. We we’re killing elk. We’re killing other stuff anytime we can, you know, so Ha you’re killing big deer. I’m killing sheep when I can. I’ve got a slam. Yeah. So it’s not like we’re killed two deserts. I mean, it’s not like we’re slowing down on these other species, but there are things we all like something we all really specialize in something. Jeff, I don’t know about you and preferences, you’re killing everything. But I

00:52:35:17 –> 00:53:11:18
Preference is always changed. Like I remember when I first, when Utah first came out with the whole, you know, they were really getting their draw thing point thing going, everything like that. So I lived up in northern Utah. Well, I kind of did what everybody in northern Utah did. I spent a lot of time on the cash unit. So what do you put in for when you comes to once in a lifetime you go moose. Well then me and my dad we’re over on a 20 miles in on a horseback hunt Colorado in Colorado. And we come around the corner and here’s these two big rams. Well we’re, you know, we got a bowl bugling down in the, you know, down in the trees. And we come around this corner, here’s these two rams, and we’re like, whoa. That’s

00:53:11:18 –> 00:53:12:14
The coolest thing you’ve ever seen.

00:53:12:14 –> 00:53:23:17
That’s the coolest thing I’ve ever seen. And then next thing you know, we come home the next year, we’re like, we’re we’re applying for Rocky Mountain sheep. And now you look back and that was forever ago. Oh yeah. Now I’ve killed a rocky here in Utah. My brother’s killed a rocky here. My

00:53:23:21 –> 00:53:25:05
Dad’s dad drew this year, all three

00:53:25:19 –> 00:53:29:18
My dads biggest bottleneck of the sheep world. And you guys are smoking three in a family. I don’t think that’s

00:53:29:18 –> 00:53:53:00
Fair. And it, and it may not have changed. It’s kind of like the thing you can’t have. It goes back to what I said you saw, you’re like, I just can’t force myself, but I’m gonna try somehow. And where there’s kind of a will, there’s a way. But, but hunting sheep and Jeff, you were on several hunts with helped me out last year, you know, guiding and things like that. And of course we were all on Jason. It’s just a sheep or a special thing. Mul deer, extra special. Well, Adam,

00:53:53:00 –> 00:54:12:10
You talked, you talked about back when you first started guiding in Utah and you were writing down all of the d different rams you’ve been a part of. And I was like, number one on your list or two, one behind right? Behind your dad. Yeah, exactly. Or something. But anyway, and look how many rams and hunts you’ve been a part of since then and it’s, I would call that an addiction, you know? Yeah.

00:54:12:12 –> 00:54:13:28
Well it’s, and it’s fun.

00:54:14:05 –> 00:54:28:13
What’s, but mine was one of the first, mine was one of the first in you knew that es escali region. Yeah. You don’t go out there with, with a, with without having, being with somebody that knows it, you’re gonna die. You know? And so anyway, but how cool is Thatt?

00:54:28:13 –> 00:54:43:00
Yeah. It didn’t start off saying, I, it’s just, it grows and, and the more you do something, you know, that you hopefully get a little bit refined and, and get at the more you want do it. And so now, yeah, it turns into 10 or more hunters a year, and we’ll have another big year this year.

00:54:43:03 –> 00:54:46:08
Well, and I think with our personalities, if I lived in Kansas, I mean

00:54:46:20 –> 00:54:49:12
Have big white hills, you’d be Yes. That’s lot. Yeah. That’s

00:54:49:12 –> 00:54:54:25
Like, can’t put your hands on enough of ’em. They, they’ve got 12 inch eye guards. Some of ’em got 14 eye guards aside. Yeah. And you get

00:54:54:25 –> 00:55:00:20
People from Montana and they’re driven by elk and they should be, they, their mule deer is, they hunt ’em hard and they’re in, they’re

00:55:00:20 –> 00:55:03:02
Rut. Well, they’ve got giants on generals or easy to drop

00:55:03:02 –> 00:55:37:19
Eggs. So a part of it is, you know, we, we grew up in Utah. We cut our teeth hunt and mule deer, elk were a novelty. They got really neat for me and you, we both started applying for ’em because they, we didn’t have ’em. And we both killed the bull. But that’s a one and done thing. And then the sheep thing again, you started putting in for them early on too, because Yeah, you’re from southern Utah, Moab, Monticello, myself. So we, we, it’s partly where you get, what do you get exposed to early on. And like you said, you got exposed early enough to those big Rockies in Colorado switched your whole application strategy in Utah and you and your dad and brother have now all drawn. So that’s pretty awesome.

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It is Awesome.

00:55:39:11 –> 00:55:40:22
You guys ready to give something away?

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Yeah, give, yeah,

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Let’s do it.

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00:55:42:20 –> 00:56:21:02
We got, we got some pyro putty that we’re gonna give away along with lighters. So we’ve got the lighter plus a couple cans of the pyro putty. I went out this weekend and I tried it out. It’s pretty, pretty awesome stuff. It was in the middle of a rainstorm, windy, I got it to light up and I built a fire within five minutes. Come on. Yeah, it was pretty impressive. Something you’re gonna want in your pack. Anyway, we’re gonna give away some of the pyro putty and how to win that. Go to our website, go to the podcast, enter in the code pyro, P y R o, and you’ll be entered to win. You’ve got four days from the release of this podcast, and yeah, you’ll be entered to win. So,

00:56:21:27 –> 00:56:24:08
All right. So what, what are we, we with the, how many are we giving away?

00:56:24:15 –> 00:56:47:28
So with the pyro putty, we’re gonna give two, we’re gonna have chest and send out two of ’em. It’s gonna be two cans of the putty with one of the lighters. The lighters are really cool. They’re not like a typical lighter, you’re not worried about the wind blowing ’em out. It’s like an arc, like they call it a little, an arc liner. So basically it’s got a couple electric prods zapping in the middle. It works great. They’re pretty cool. And

00:56:47:28 –> 00:56:53:13
They’re, it looks like an electric shocker that women would carry in their purse mini taser. It does, it almost looks like a mini taser lights somebody out. But you

00:56:53:13 –> 00:56:58:08
Can plug ’em into a U S B port, recharge ’em, they’re, I mean, yeah, they’re really cool. So, and we’re,

00:56:58:08 –> 00:57:02:04
We’re giving away two of those this week. Two of those, two of ’em. So there will be two winners.

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So they’re a hundred percent waterproof. They say a quarter sized ball burns like 15 minutes. Super lightweight, easy. Go to www.pyroputty.com, P y r o p u t t y.com.

00:57:15:02 –> 00:57:21:12
Check it out. Good stuff. Right on. It’s in our packs. It is. We’re going bear hunting here this week, and it’ll be in my pack.

00:57:22:05 –> 00:57:28:28
Well, let’s, let’s talk about the question that everyone’s thinking according to this fella. We kind of know who it is.

00:57:29:02 –> 00:57:30:23
I think, I think we know who this is, right?

00:57:31:01 –> 00:57:34:00
Do we, when are you gonna try Pac Llamas on a hunt?

00:57:34:08 –> 00:57:45:02
This is the person that just, I, last night, I think on my Instagram story, they were in a llama trailer picking up llamas in California, moving ’em, because I don’t,

00:57:45:07 –> 00:57:50:19
Well, I think, didn’t they have a breeding season? There’s a hole. That’s a weird, they’re a weird animal. Don’t

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Count on

00:57:50:25 –> 00:57:56:29
This. Here’s the deal. When I see a 36 inch eight by eight with triple I guards on the back of a llama, I’d probably look into one

00:58:00:27 –> 00:58:01:06

00:58:01:08 –> 00:58:05:24
Okay. When have you seen a 230 on the back of a llama? Okay.

00:58:06:02 –> 00:58:10:07
And I’m sure by mentioning this, we’re gonna get some s bring it,

00:58:10:08 –> 00:58:16:07
Bring [email protected]. I want to see pictures of big bucks on the back of Alamas. And I don’t want ’em photoshopped,

00:58:16:19 –> 00:58:21:06
But Jason, I hope, I hope that white vinyl fence will hold ’em alama, because you’re gonna have one in your

00:58:21:11 –> 00:58:23:11
Backyard. Yeah. Could you imagine? Yeah. Spit

00:58:23:14 –> 00:58:25:14
Spitting on every neighbor. Spit spit on my face.

00:58:26:15 –> 00:58:27:25
Don’t they spit on everything? Oh,

00:58:28:01 –> 00:58:30:18
If they don’t like you. That’s what I’m told. Yeah. And I’ve seen it happen. But

00:58:31:00 –> 00:58:51:10
I mean, but they will eat, eat anything and they’re very, let’s call ’em self-contained, so to speak. I mean, they’re, they’re very low maintenance, you know, from what I understand. And you probably learned to love the ugly little things, but I’m not, I just don’t see that happening here at the epic office. Maybe Chris, Chris, you gonna do get into the laws?

00:58:51:13 –> 00:58:52:29
No, no. One of the things for me, Lama

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00:58:53:20 –> 00:59:20:06
No. One of the things for maybe my brother John would do that. He would, he might. He would. Oh yeah. One of the things for me is, is being efficient and doing, doing what you want to do in the most efficient way, you know how, right? So if I’m gonna go out and hunt and I want to kill a deer, I’m not gonna take on this whole side project of becoming a llama farmer to kill a deer. I’m just gonna go do it the best way I can. I already have horses. That’s something I do. And I know I’ll use

00:59:20:06 –> 00:59:22:08
Them because you’re not having to learn how to be

00:59:22:18 –> 00:59:31:11
Aman. Exactly. Exactly. If, if, if I’m talking to somebody who has never been around horses and they want to kill a big deer, I’m not gonna tell ’em to go use horses. I’m gonna tell

00:59:31:12 –> 00:59:32:14
’em, well, first off, you need to go get your

00:59:32:14 –> 00:59:51:29
Horse. Exactly. You’re getting into a whole nother side thing that you’re getting distractions. So just for me personally, I’m not gonna go try to learn how to be a llama farmer. I’m sure there’s a lot of things that go into how to raise a llama, how to care for a llama, how to be around them, what to do, what not to do, how to pack ’em, how to tie ’em together, all of this stuff.

00:59:52:08 –> 01:00:08:10
The nice thing is they’d probably be better bare bait. Like if you’re in grizzly country, at least you can run and leave your llama standing there to a tree and he probably gonna smoke that llama. You know what I mean? I mean, no, I think a grizz would look at and go, really? At least I’m, that’s food. At

01:00:08:10 –> 01:00:10:01
Least on my horse, I can get on and trade it right away.

01:00:11:18 –> 01:00:14:13
What do you think? Broon? You can ever use a llama in this, Glen? No, I

01:00:14:13 –> 01:00:15:28
Don’t see it happening. Nope.

01:00:16:11 –> 01:00:27:05
So, well, they’re probably great animals and people that have ’em, you know, it’s probably great for pets and all. Keep it, keep doing. Yeah, keep doing it. Do it, do it, do it. But there again, you know, stick to what, you know, we have now

01:00:27:16 –> 01:00:31:17
Answered the question everybody was asking. So what else do I mean, what’s next? One’s

01:00:31:17 –> 01:00:33:00
Pretty good one’s got more questions, I’m

01:00:33:00 –> 01:01:33:16
Pretty sure. This next one, for someone new to public land, mule deer hunting and living outta state, what’s the best season or hunt for a beginner to fine tune gear and skills, late, early season, late season. Then you throw out a couple of states like Colorado, Wyoming, Montana, I, I still believe earlier, earlier seasons, you usually see more game. I mean, mean unless you’re talking the rutt and Rutt, Rutt hunts are harder to get. Unless you’re looking at Montana, you, you don’t really need to be as skilled to hunt in the rutt. I’m not saying it doesn’t take skill, but the rutt takes care of a lot of things. It’s, we’ve talked about it ourselves, takes care of the lack of time to scout or things like that. But if you hunt earlier in the year, you usually can observe deer a lot longer during the mornings and the evenings. They’re out longer in the mornings and the evenings, you can watch behavior patterns, groupings, how they bed, watch how they shift to the sun. A lot of things you got hunting ’em in October. Sometimes you don’t even see your buck for five days because during the thick trees in their bed bed, they bed down the daylight. So October could

01:01:33:16 –> 01:01:36:04
Make a, you might novel hunter a non hunter.

01:01:36:23 –> 01:01:44:17
That’s exactly what I’m trying to say. And so don’t pick the hardest time to kill a big mule deer and start with that.

01:01:44:27 –> 01:01:52:00
And he says early, late, you know what, if you go late, Ray Charles gonna see deer. Yeah.

01:01:52:01 –> 01:01:55:07
If you go really late, but, but once again, how many tags,

01:01:55:22 –> 01:01:58:00
You know what I mean? New I’ve, you’re gonna, you’re gonna see deer.

01:01:58:10 –> 01:02:11:04
You are gonna see deer. How many tags are you gonna get though? Hunting in mid November? That’s true. Oh, I know you get Montana, you get a Montana general outside of that. I know. You gotta draw tag, you gotta draw everything you get. You don’t hunt that often in late season route hunts. You

01:02:11:04 –> 01:02:51:24
Go on Idaho, over the counter deer, you’re gonna have a rude awakening. Yeah. There’s good hunters that don’t see deer in a week. Yeah, that’s right. You know what I mean? I mean, so all the e scouting in the world is gonna help you in Idaho at times. So, you know what? I think it’s, I think you’ve got a great point. Early, early season allows you to scout. You’re gonna, you, you do. Things are out frolicking around. I mean, they’re getting, they’re feeding a lot. They’re getting ready for winter. I mean, they’re just out and about. But late season, if you, if you’re lucky enough to hunt Colorado in November for deer, the the third season, third rifle season, I mean, you’re gonna see deer then too, but you’re gonna, you’re gonna have to deal with people, but you’re gonna see deer. So there’s, there’s pluses and minuses to both timeframes. October for deer specifically, it’s tough. Very hard.

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And if you’re looking for that opportunity, like if you say, okay, I wanna make the most, and you live in a relative distance of say, say Idaho, that’s a great place because on that general tag, you can hunt your archery, you can hunt and then come and hunt your rifle. You can get a lot of time and knowledge in by doing that. So if you have, if, if you have,

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But I just, just don’t want people to go there, feel thinking you’re, yes. Feel like I’m a failure because I didn’t see any deer and Jason, Adam, you know, Jeff, whoever would’ve seen deer. We might not have, we might not have. I mean it’s a, it’s a, but some of these hunts are butt kickers. Don’t think people

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Realize how many tags we eat. Yeah,

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They don’t, we, we say it lot. I mean we don’t talk about it. We talk.

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You like to fail in silence, don’t you?

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Yeah. We don’t talk about, well I just got my butt kicked for seven days. Do you want to hear about it?

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Lemme tell you about it. Lemme tell you about it. Lemme

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Tell you about the gas. Everything else.

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I tied the ice melting the cooler pretty soon. I,

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Well, it just is what it is. They did talk about tripods. We had a question about tripods. This guy has a current old man, Frodo three 90, sturdy, smooth, a bit heavy packable vortex. He doesn’t like it, you know, anyway, and has some different combos. What do we use? You know, right now I’m using an MT one 90, the CX Pro four bogan with a 700 RC two head on it. So anyway, but there’s a number of pro

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Tripod. We got numbers of combinations. We’ve got stuff all from, from get so to man Frodo tripods, outdoorsman, tripods. We got a

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Better Yeah, you’ve just got a new outdoorsman. It’s a good

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Tripod. Yeah, we do. I mean, different applications. You know, a lot of times if I’m in a unit that I want to jump out and have a scope that’s right there, they throw my fifteens on it. It’s already in the back of my truck. It’s already put together. I stand up with my fifteens, I do it, but then my tri, if I see a deer, I don’t wanna have to put all crap together. I just grab my pack and I have one in it. And I know that’s spoiled to have more than one tripod, but I have truck tripods, I have semi heavy packable tripods and I have ultra light stuff when I go backpacking. So anyway. Okay.

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I agree a hundred percent.

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So not one size fits all. I, there’s different applications.

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I love our little gizo for backpacking. Yes, they’re awesome. I mean, they’re, they’re an older model, but we don’t,

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We don’t use ’em enough. So they probably last them longer. Well, I’m

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Not using them anytime. We’re not backpacking, we’re not using them. No, but you know, we’ve been doing this for an hour and 15 minutes. Good. So I’ve, but I’ve got one question. Got a couple question. I’ve got one question for Adam.

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I don’t know where this is going.

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Is this gonna be about antelope? That’s all I wanna

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Know. Well, this is about guiding food handlers, permits and mountain houses. Do you put on rubber gloves when you make, if I’m your client and you’re making me a mountain house, I, I wanna know full on gloved up.

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No, the correct answer to that is I wash and that’s a mask,

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A breathable mask. And the hair net. I wanna know,

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I don’t need a hair net. So I that covered Well, that’s a good point. Yeah, that’s a good, so I don’t have to, that’s not in my gear list. I don’t have a of hair net

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About when you get a beard, do you put a beard net on? Yeah,

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I’ve seen, I’ve seen you in the middle of hunting season. Something full beard net bore. You probably need a beard.

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We’re talking about boiling water here, guys. That’s what we’re talking about. Well,

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And I,

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And I have that conversation periodically with some of my special use permit coordinators that preparing meals on backpack sheet hunts is really an overuse of terms. Yeah. Preparing meals. Yeah, it’s boiling water.

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It’s opening

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Up and, and anything that was on my hands, even though I try to wash ’em off, is boiled and killed in that boiling water. It’s,

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And your client has his own can of kipper snacks. He’s gonna open his own can of kipper snacks, prepackaged

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Foods, freeze dried foods, boiled water. There go. I’ve got the answers down. Perfect.

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Perfect. So, hey, I, I just, I’ve always wondered about that and I know it’s a question everybody’s been wanting to know. No, it’s not.

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Anyway, there’s, there’s a couple, there’s a couple I think we can end on that are very, very simple. One of them is this question here, can you turn back a general season deer tag in Utah or just limited entry in once in a lifetime? Not sure to where to look that that’s a very good question. We’ve, we know this from personal experience, we turn it back. Yeah. Limited entry in once in lifetimes in Utah, you can turn ’em back and get all your points back plus one for the year. If you do that 30 days before the hunt starts on the limited entry in one lifetime, you can also get your permit feedback on general season. We’ve done that with some of our family members and things like that. You can turn them back. You do get a point and you do get a point as if you didn’t draw however, money, your money get your money back on the general season. That’s right. So they don’t, they don’t have a big reissue process. Like they do unlimited entry tax and you can do that up in port, but before the day, before the hunt. I mean, we’ve done that ourselves, so. That’s right.

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We sure have. And we’re finding more and more just like everything, why am I gaining points for general, you know what, they’re becoming valuable. Some of these big deer are being killed on general. We don’t have teams of hunters and guides and outfitters hitting general as much as we do the Henry Mountains. Well, and that’s true. And so you’re getting a little bit of escapement from then you

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Get some of these states like Wyoming, people are at a loss of where to use their points. All right, so why should I get another one if I can draw G with six points? Well, do you want to go alone or do you want to have 12 want a point based boost a buddy with zero’s and go with a buddy. You’re both committed. Show your trip, all that.

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Or, or you have, you know, you know, tags get slashed and all of a sudden the point’s required go up. You just never know what’s in the future. Yeah, if

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They’re cheap enough, just get ’em So well,

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Jeff, do you have any burning questions for Adam?

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I don’t have any burning questions

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For him. How about Chris? We got some questions for Chris? Yeah, that’s

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For, I don’t have any questions for Chris that won’t get him in trouble. Chris,

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Chris, are you married yet? Not yet. Okay, well let us know when you do. Alright. Working, working on it. Okay.

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You got our address. Send us an invite.

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Should we, should we do another question and answer podcast?

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We’re gonna have to we down road. We, we appreciate those that, and we, I know we, we, if we were just mission a comp, we could have probably blow through these, but hopefully they’re a little bit entertaining. Hopefully they’re a little bit thoroughly more thoroughly discussed then if we just went through and literally did a 62nd answer. We do have a lot more questions we’re gonna have to do at least a part two, maybe part three, whatever. Hopefully these are give you, you know, a lot of these, a little bit more hunting tips, tactics, gear related type stuff. As we get into the summer, we can do that. We are planning some cool guest for the summer to get us all fired up I guess in terms of making gear prep and you know, hunting strategy tactics, things like that. It’s also a time of year we’re finding out draw results. So let us know if you get something good. Ooh,

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Tomorrow. Bring it.

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Nevada’s draw results are coming. We’re excited. Make sure you call us if you draw Nevada, just, just let us know so we know. We can say we know some people that drew it’s odds are

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We love Nevada.

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The odds are tough, but we like to hear from people that beat ’em. So

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We get all excited about drawn tags and part of that is because it’s hard to come by a good tag. So one of the things we’ve got going right now that we like to talk about is the Wyoming super tag. It’s a way to get into another drawing and yeah, the potential to draw the tag of a lifetime, including Rocky Mountain Sheep and other things that you otherwise are gonna have to wait a long, long time and potentially never get those tickets at wg fd.y.gov/epic outdoors. And those super tag tickets are $10 each and you can also get a trifecta ticket for $30. And the trifecta allows you to put in for any three species that are available in that super tag drawing this year Wyoming has added a bonus raffle where you are eligible to win $12,500 worth of hunting gear. And Adam will tell us how you can get in for that raffle. Looks

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Like for every five super tag raffle tickets of any species or combination or every two super tag trifecta tickets you get, you get an entry into that gear stuff.

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Also for the month of May, Wyoming has added the million dollar super tag celebration raffle. Every time a hunter purchases a super tag or a super tag trifecta ticket during the month of May, their name will be entered into a raffle to win a Custom Gun Works rifle. Right

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On. Do it apply. Get your name in everywhere you can. That’s the only way you can draw tags if your name’s in the hat. You know, Adam talked about some of these questions and I, and I thought we could just crank through all this. Not a big deal, but we get going on a tangent and we also wanna make sure we fully answer the questions and then it jogs other questions,

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Pretty soon we’re talking about something that just doesn’t even matter. Not even question related, but having said that, we’ll do another one soon. I want to talk about m o a rifles. Super good guys there, you know, kind of got affiliated with m o a to a degree with Calvin Halladay, who’s a, a guide there at Sheep Mountain Outfitters guiding in Oregon and Idaho. Super good guys. Bob Beck. He’s become a good friend and you know, we’ve even boughten tags and helped Bob find hunts for some of his clients and whatnot. That’s the one thing I like about the guys at m o eight. They’re serious hardcore hunters. They’re buying legit tags. They’re drawing legit debt tags. They’re, they’re practicing what they preach and they care about it and they realize how much this gear means. You know, they’ve got a new ascent rifle. It’s under, it’s under six pounds.

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It’s a true thousand yard, half minute m o a type gun. And so anyway, you can get a hold of tho those guys at 5 4 1 5 2 6, 1 8, 2 0. Just awesome super good guys. M moa rifles.com. They also sell a lot of other gear. Definitely worth looking into. We don’t, we don’t affiliate ourselves with people that aren’t making good gear. So anyway, we, they have our stamp of approval. We’ll be up there June 6th and seven, at least part of the Epic outdoors crew shooting long range with these guys. I know Adam’s ordered a gun. It’ll be there. We’re gonna see how good it shoots. And so anyway, pretty exciting stuff. Good people and

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Give it a shot. One last maybe thing to bring up. We’re pushing the end of May here pretty quick. Draw results, they’re running out. This has been a big month in terms of RU results coming out. Another way to win something, we, we kicked off our membership drive. It ends June 14th. It’s only like a six week long drive. It’s not long. Part of the reason for that, some of the hunts we have, and I’m gonna rattle ’em off. We’ve got a stone sheep hunt August, 2019. That’s this August. We’ve got a mule deer hunt. 2 42 fully guided Nevada. That’s this year, this fall, 2019. We’ve got an archery elk this September of 2019. Then we’ve got a brown bear hunt next May of 2020 and a doll sheep hunt in next August of 2020. Some of these hunt we had to give ’em away quick. We can’t run this for three or four months and give it away, you know, end of July, 1st of August, a month before the hunt.

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People gotta plan and prepare. If you’re left without, if you’re not a member of our service by joining our service, you’ll get a ticket into one of these hunts only until June 14th. It’s the only way that you can get a ticket in there by joining after that, it’ll, we’ll have to see what we do next year. You can also purchase tickets online. Tickets are as cheap as $25, a hundred dollars packages, $200 packages or $500 packages. Whatever you’re interested in. These are hunts we personally picked based on bucket list, trophy type quality items. Quality. These are not, these are not bottom of the barrel. We, we got ’em well in advance. We secured ’em, we paid ’em in full. They’re, they’re excellent hunts. Somebody on the 15th, 16th of June, whenever we get that drying done is gonna have some epic hunts. And so check us out epic outdoors.com and the membership drive link on the website. Make

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Sure you get your name in. You can’t, you can’t draw unless your name’s in there. I, I would venture to bet that it’s easier to draw one of these deer tags and hunts than it is in the state draws. Oh yeah. For 2 42 or 2 31. Yeah. Non-resident. We’re talking odds non-residents on way. Unbelievable. The drawing odds we’re people are going every which way. It’s summertime, it’s a short drive. I don’t know. We will see if we do this again. It’s, it’s, it’s, it’s awesome. It’s awesome. But I’m just telling you, somebody’s gonna get a hunt and they’re, they’re world class and the odds are unbelievable. So anyway, if you do wanna, if you do want purchase tickets, you can call 4 3 5 2 6 3 0 7 7 7. You can also get your friend in. You’ll get a, you’ll get a ticket in the drive as well as the new member will get a ticket in there too for the hunt of his choice.

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So anyway, give us a holler. 4 3 5 2 6 3 0 7 7 7 epic outdoors.com. Again, we do everything Western Big game. That’s who we are. Western big game. So if you wanna join, go to epic outdoors.com. You’ll start getting pump monthly publication. Be able to call in. We can visit about your personal application strategy or whatnot. Even if we don’t do your applications, that’s a separate service. So happy to help you. Until then, it’s time to get some trail cameras out in the hills. It’s time to see what Nevada it’s got. It’s put my name on some tags. I’m not sure about which tags they are yet, but we’re gonna find out tomorrow morning. That’s right. Here you go. So give us all good luck. All right.